Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
Hi, when I read the last week discussion comes the idea of an *art-supermarket* for contributing this project. Contributors as providers, Fedora people as buyers. So, isn't it the same idea like this? I support it. JJM 2007/2/28, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi folks, So one of the things we've discussed every now and then is having some kind of gallery system set up (beyond the wiki which isn't quite equipped for this) where we can share our work and comment on it, where the community can easily browse and comment on it, and (nice bonus) even have an RSS feed of artwork the general community can benefit from. Tonight I started investigating some options we have towards this. A great solution would be to have an install of the art.gnome.org software or have something custom-built for us, but I don't think we have the resources for something like that right now. So I've looked around at some other options: 1) Have an art-specific Fedora planet feed - It would be something like http://art.planet.fedoraproject.org and it would be a feed for artwork, not general blog posts. (E.g. you could syndicate your deviant art portfolio feed or a flickr fedora art album feed to this.) Whichever other option we go with, it should produce suitable RSS feeds so we should probably do this anyway. Send me your feeds (art, not blog) and I'll make the request to set it up. 2) Set up a Deviant art community - So I set one up and played around with it, take a look: http://fedora-art.deviantart.com/ The advantages of deviant-art: - is that it is completely tailored for illustrations/designs, not just photos. - it's free, and you can easily attach your source SVGs (or any other type of source files) for your work directly to each piece. - pretty much everything is available as an RSS feed - nice commenting system for individual pieces - no upload/usage limits - licensing on images is explicit - when you create a piece of artwork you determine the license explicitly Disadvantages: - the RSS feeds don't actually embed the image, they only provide a link. (does anyone know if it embeds the image for paid subscription accounts? I'd be willing to donate the $$ if so.) - having a group appears to be kind of a hack. you actually create a user that serves as the group, add your group members as friends (who also add the group as followers), and one or a small group of people have to manually upload things to the gallery. (this can be a good thing though, we can use the favorites system to highlight any fedora work, including drafts, and only add final/polished work to the gallery.) 3) Flickr community I gave this a try too, take a look: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ Advantages: - free to get an account - it doesn't require manual intervention to get graphics in the gallery. any group members can push their images to the group pool. (and if inappropriate/whatever stuff gets pushed the admin can remove it) - you can create invite-only groups or make them completely open. - licensing on images is explicit - when you create a piece of artwork you determine the license explicitly - the RSS feeds do actually embed the image, and include any descriptive text you added to the image so even though you can't upload your source here, you can add a link to it in the description and it'll be published to the feed. - tagging system makes it easier to browse all the pictures - the UI is pretty nice :) - the RSS feeds are also awesome in that I think they can be per tag as well as for the entire pool of images - having a group isn't a hack, it's definitely built for that Disadvantages: - theres a limit per month on how much you can upload per user account (I think it's 50mb/month.) - flickr is focused entirely towards photos. while i read their terms of service and made sure that it was okay for us to use for our purposes - people won't be able to search for our artwork using the UI because it seems they block non-photos from that according to their policy. 4) Set up a version control repository - Advantages: - we can track versions of artwork and its sources - would ultimately be controlled by the fedora project, not a third-party so more reliable Disadvantages: - likely will be difficult for folks to browse on, not possible to comment on really - high technical barrier to entry 5) Something else? I looked briefly at shadowness.com, which is pretty similar to deviantart but they have explicit groups *and* their RSS feeds embed images. However, their copyright policies are pretty weird. I've also never heard of it before (have any of you?) Not sure how reliable/trustworthy it is? Flickr and deviantart have both been around a while. Any others we should look at? Any preferences / comments / ideas? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- I'm still learning English... Jiří Jakub Mašek
Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
Hi folks, So one of the things we've discussed every now and then is having some kind of gallery system set up (beyond the wiki which isn't quite equipped for this) where we can share our work and comment on it, where the community can easily browse and comment on it, and (nice bonus) even have an RSS feed of artwork the general community can benefit from. Tonight I started investigating some options we have towards this. A great solution would be to have an install of the art.gnome.org software or have something custom-built for us, but I don't think we have the resources for something like that right now. So I've looked around at some other options: 1) Have an art-specific Fedora planet feed - It would be something like http://art.planet.fedoraproject.org and it would be a feed for artwork, not general blog posts. (E.g. you could syndicate your deviant art portfolio feed or a flickr fedora art album feed to this.) Whichever other option we go with, it should produce suitable RSS feeds so we should probably do this anyway. Send me your feeds (art, not blog) and I'll make the request to set it up. 2) Set up a Deviant art community - So I set one up and played around with it, take a look: http://fedora-art.deviantart.com/ The advantages of deviant-art: - is that it is completely tailored for illustrations/designs, not just photos. - it's free, and you can easily attach your source SVGs (or any other type of source files) for your work directly to each piece. - pretty much everything is available as an RSS feed - nice commenting system for individual pieces - no upload/usage limits - licensing on images is explicit - when you create a piece of artwork you determine the license explicitly Disadvantages: - the RSS feeds don't actually embed the image, they only provide a link. (does anyone know if it embeds the image for paid subscription accounts? I'd be willing to donate the $$ if so.) - having a group appears to be kind of a hack. you actually create a user that serves as the group, add your group members as friends (who also add the group as followers), and one or a small group of people have to manually upload things to the gallery. (this can be a good thing though, we can use the favorites system to highlight any fedora work, including drafts, and only add final/polished work to the gallery.) 3) Flickr community I gave this a try too, take a look: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ Advantages: - free to get an account - it doesn't require manual intervention to get graphics in the gallery. any group members can push their images to the group pool. (and if inappropriate/whatever stuff gets pushed the admin can remove it) - you can create invite-only groups or make them completely open. - licensing on images is explicit - when you create a piece of artwork you determine the license explicitly - the RSS feeds do actually embed the image, and include any descriptive text you added to the image so even though you can't upload your source here, you can add a link to it in the description and it'll be published to the feed. - tagging system makes it easier to browse all the pictures - the UI is pretty nice :) - the RSS feeds are also awesome in that I think they can be per tag as well as for the entire pool of images - having a group isn't a hack, it's definitely built for that Disadvantages: - theres a limit per month on how much you can upload per user account (I think it's 50mb/month.) - flickr is focused entirely towards photos. while i read their terms of service and made sure that it was okay for us to use for our purposes - people won't be able to search for our artwork using the UI because it seems they block non-photos from that according to their policy. 4) Set up a version control repository - Advantages: - we can track versions of artwork and its sources - would ultimately be controlled by the fedora project, not a third-party so more reliable Disadvantages: - likely will be difficult for folks to browse on, not possible to comment on really - high technical barrier to entry 5) Something else? I looked briefly at shadowness.com, which is pretty similar to deviantart but they have explicit groups *and* their RSS feeds embed images. However, their copyright policies are pretty weird. I've also never heard of it before (have any of you?) Not sure how reliable/trustworthy it is? Flickr and deviantart have both been around a while. Any others we should look at? Any preferences / comments / ideas? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Hey folks, John Baer wrote: It currently resides in my personal sandbox but if it this is heading in the desired direction of the team I would like to move it. Please view this as a starting point. So I took a stab at refactoring this page a little bit (hope it's okay John) and adding some of things we've been discussing as far as goals, short-term projects, and long-term projects: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer/SandBox Here's some points of discussion I'd like to bring up about it: 1) Overall does this seem reasonable as a replacement for the existing art page? Is there anything we're forgetting? 2) An intentional omission here is any reference to the default artwork. Does anyone not agree with this? 3) What do you folks think about the goals section of the page? Does anyone disagree about these being the general goals we'd like to work towards? Do the criteria for success seem reasonable? I'll quote this section verbatim below for easier dicussion: A# Serve as a design firm for the Fedora community, creating artwork and designs to for the Fedora community on request * How can we measurably achieve this goal? If we advertise this service properly to the Fedora commnunity, successfully get a stream of requests (let's say at least 5 requests per month for a start), and if we can fulfill at least 5 requests per month to the satisfaction of the person requesting them, we can say we have successfully met this goal. B# Provide resources (tutorials, art assets, advice) and encouragement for the use of the FOSS creative tools available in Fedora, under open licenses to demonstrate the importance of the application of FOSS ideas to creative content; * How can we measurably achieve this goal? If we can provide the community with at least 1 major resource (tutorial, article, art asset, scheduled lesson event, scheduled outreach event (such as a contest to promote FOSS art tools) under an open license, then we can say we have successfully met this goal. C# Make it easy for 'creative contributors' to contribute to the Fedora project. * How can we measurably achieve this goal? If we can attract at least one contributor every 3 months (for example, at least every three months someone new to the artTeam completes a request in the service request pages below), then we could probably say we have successfully met this goal. If we are okay with discussion points #1 and #3 here, I think we're okay to go ahead and replace the current artwork page with this one. I don't think discussion point #2 necessarily has to be resolved before we switch over. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: [...snip...] > (I do not think that putting together an > extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires > working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with > some packaging experience to help us put it together.) I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help out with this part. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Hey John, John Baer wrote: All, I could not be more delighted by the discussion taking place and I want to add an additional item to the discussion and that is a mock up of the team wiki home page. It currently resides in my personal sandbox but if it this is heading in the desired direction of the team I would like to move it. Please view this as a starting point. On the whole, I think the goals and objectives you've got on here are pretty much right on (with some holes I will fill in), but I kind of agree with Paul's [1] sentiment that in terms of roles on the team, this introduces a little bit too much structure for a small, fledgling team. For now, considering some of our recent *ahem* issues, I think it's probably a smart idea to avoid the default artwork for Fedora (the OS distro). It has already been decided that it cannot be part of a community project, so it really has nothing to do with this list and should not be a project under this team. This eliminates the need for a liaison with the Desktop team. (I do not think that putting together an extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with some packaging experience to help us put it together.) I kind of think all we really need is an overall team leader or two of the loosely coupled subgroups who can do project management (communication, schedules, deadlines, milestones, project prioritization, etc). Since the Fedora project definition process [2] suggests starting out as a SIG first and then giving status reports and sort of applying to become an official project, this status report/application process also seems like something that should be a task the team lead handles. I don't think small subgroups like a 'documentation team' or 'marketing team' really need formal leads/liasons; if they grow big enough to warrant it I should hope leaders would naturally emerge. Does this seem reasonable? ~m [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-February/msg00207.html [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DefiningProjects ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Hi folks, Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that just got published to Red Hat Magazine today: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/27/the-open-palettehow-to-use-inkscapes-new-blur-filter/ We're starting a series of articles called "The Open Palette" to give tutorials, reviews, and introductions of anything FOSS and creative - graphics software, sound and video editing software, even how-tos on getting scanners and tablets to work in Linux and creative open licenses and communities. Pretty much *anything* relating to creative work as long as it's free and open source. This syncs up with one of the long term team projects we've been discussing recently - "FOSS Tools promotion and marketing" to show what you can do with the tools available in Fedora. So, if any of you have requests for more articles (maybe there's a particular type of tutorial you'd like to see?) or if you've got a great idea for an article you'd like to write (or help write), let's discuss it! :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Rather Annoying Wiki Problem
On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 18:08 +, Ben Arnold wrote: > On 27/02/07, Diana Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There's currently been some reworking of the Fedoraproject.org site > > resulting in various problems, conversation of it's progress can be > > found on fedora-website-list [1]. However, for now, I've found that if > > you go to Preferences and set your Preferred Theme to Classic or Modern, > > the Attachment feature will return. > > :) > What seems like Developer's mode. Thanks > > On 27/02/07, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That wiki page really look different compared with what I see: another > > hearer, another sidebar. > > Are sure you are not loading an old version from some cache? A proxy > > somewhere in the middle? > > Sure, the cache is emptied every time I logon and I refreshed the > page. I'm using the kindofblue theme but I'd be interested of a > screenshot of what you see if you are using the same one. Yes, this is a known problem with the theme in the MoinMoin upgrade. You'll also find that the affected themes (like kindofblue) don't tell you whether someone else is editing a page, so conflicts will be more common if you use those. I'm using "modern" which seems to work fine for now. I know the Websites/Infrastructure folks are working on it. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
which icon ?
hi all :) emblem-photos_03.png Description: PNG image emblem-photos_04.png Description: PNG image emblem-photos_05.png Description: PNG image emblem-photos_06.png Description: PNG image emblem-photos_07.png Description: PNG image ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Rather Annoying Wiki Problem
On 27/02/07, Diana Fong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's currently been some reworking of the Fedoraproject.org site resulting in various problems, conversation of it's progress can be found on fedora-website-list [1]. However, for now, I've found that if you go to Preferences and set your Preferred Theme to Classic or Modern, the Attachment feature will return. :) What seems like Developer's mode. Thanks On 27/02/07, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That wiki page really look different compared with what I see: another hearer, another sidebar. Are sure you are not loading an old version from some cache? A proxy somewhere in the middle? Sure, the cache is emptied every time I logon and I refreshed the page. I'm using the kindofblue theme but I'd be interested of a screenshot of what you see if you are using the same one. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Rather Annoying Wiki Problem
Ben Arnold wrote: All, I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing this but in the EchoDevelopment wiki page [1] I cannot attach files yet I can edit the page. I want to change some existing icons but have no option to do so. That wiki page really look different compared with what I see: another hearer, another sidebar. Are sure you are not loading an old version from some cache? A proxy somewhere in the middle? -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Some problems in Echo action icons
Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I think, since Echo is going to be included in Fedora 7, that it should look more ready. So, looking at action icons I see there a few problems: 1. missing shadow: application-exit document-print document-print-preview system-log-out view-refresh 2. zoom icons hard to distinguish in small sizes (see attachment 'zoom.png') 3. some icons usually placed next each other have different positioning (and sizes sometimes) (see attachment "positioning1.png" and "positioning2.png") from what I noticed problematic icons are: go-next go-previous media-skip-backward media-skip-forward I think we should sort out these problems before FD7 release. Do you see any other problems? What do you think? Regards, Martin Sourada This is a great list. A bug was filed for Problem #2 [1] yesterday and Ben is looking into making modifications to address it. I'm also working on the mail icons mentioned in Bug 213259. Additional polish I'd like to see for existing icons include: 1. reworking of the format-text-xxx group. There have also been reports that they lack clarity in the evolution tool bar. Suggestion: perhaps darken the blue. 2. resizing of the emblem icons. Currently they are 48x48. Looking at Bluecurve, the 48x48 Emblem set is actually comprised of 36x36 sized icons. Opening one of these Bluecurve Emblem Icons, show that the image is even smaller in size...close to 30pixels. What is the best approach for these modifications, in terms of listing issues and solutions? Bugs should probably be filed in addition to discussion on this list. Diana Fong Red Hat Visual Designer [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=230112 [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=213259 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Rather Annoying Wiki Problem
Ben Arnold wrote: All, I'm not sure if anyone else is experiencing this but in the EchoDevelopment wiki page [1] I cannot attach files yet I can edit the page. I want to change some existing icons but have no option to do so. Using Safari on a Mac (sshhh) but I couldn't at home either, am I missing something? TIA, ./b [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment Ben, There's currently been some reworking of the Fedoraproject.org site resulting in various problems, conversation of it's progress can be found on fedora-website-list [1]. However, for now, I've found that if you go to Preferences and set your Preferred Theme to Classic or Modern, the Attachment feature will return. Diana Fong Red Hat Visual Designer [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2007-February/msg00063.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hackergotchi Service for ThomasChung
Thanks. JJM 2007/2/27, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: > Could you specify what image you need? Jiri, I thought the wiki page is clear enough: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/HackergotchiService See http://planet.fedoraproject.org, Hackergotchis are the little floating heads on the left of the posts and some tips on how to make them are at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NicuBuculei/Hackerogotchi > 2007/2/26, Thomas Chung: > > Could someone from Fedora Arts team crerate Hackergotchi Image for me? > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/HackergotchiService > Thank you. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- I'm still learning English... Jiří Jakub Mašek - Mr Jiri Jakub Masek Czech Republic, European Union http://jjm.xf.cz ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
