Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
Paul W. Frields wrote: IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-infrastructure-list/2007-February/msg00113.html "Static content and basic scripting, TurboGears, python, php, perl, etc." It seems php will be allowed. Both those applications are php based but probably we have alternatives I don't know about. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
Paul W. Frields wrote: IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) Unfortunately, yes. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 10:06 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > 7) the Infrastructure project plan to offer hosting space, > developers.fedoraproject.org and people.fedoraproject.org: use this > space and host our own solution > > ccHost is what we are using at http://openclipart.org - the software > have a lot of features: users, feeds for everything, comments, ratings. > Is not very mature in my experience but is sponsored by Creative > Commons. Can be configured to use a lot of file types, including SVG. > > 8) again, in our own hosting space run an instance of Gallery > (http://gallery.menalto.com/) - I don't have any experience with > installation or administration, but from the website it seems it > recently it gained support for RSS feeds IIRC the Infrastructure team won't support hosting for PHP apps, for security reasons among others. I don't know anything about ccHost, is it PHP based? (I know Gallery is.) -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 13:43 -0500, John Baer wrote: > All, > > The ArtTeam mockup is looking too good (thanks Mo) to stay in my > SandBox so I moved it a new home. > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtTeam > > I do not know what url makes the most sense "/wiki/ArtTeam", or > "/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeam", or "wiki/FedoraTeams/Art" but in my mind the > first choice was logical. > :) Please feel free to rename the page. > > My desire is to clear the .../SandBox to start mockups for some of the > other pages we discussed. I don't think this should be in a top-level name space in addition to the existing Artwork space. It should either replace it (and gobble up any necessary content) or sit below it. Hierarchy still has a visual meaning that will cause this to be confusing to people who search for "art." -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 15:10 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > [...snip...] > >> (I do not think that putting together an > >> extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires > >> working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with > >> some packaging experience to help us put it together.) > > > > I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends > > for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help > > out with this part. > > Is possible to make a package that at install time change the wallpaper > for all users? Not in a way that would pass Fedora guidelines, and for good reasons. Wallpaper shouldn't be forced on users in a multi-user system. > I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, > RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, > but I am not sure about that. For the first three, yes. For the fourth, make it available, yes. I'm not sure about the fifth either, but certainly it could be made available at least (I think). -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Mo wrote: > Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that > just > got published to Red Hat Magazine today: > +1 +1 Wow this is exactly what I hoped would happen. Great work on the article! John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
All, The ArtTeam mockup is looking too good (thanks Mo) to stay in my SandBox so I moved it a new home. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtTeam I do not know what url makes the most sense "/wiki/ArtTeam", or "/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeam", or "wiki/FedoraTeams/Art" but in my mind the first choice was logical. :) Please feel free to rename the page. My desire is to clear the .../SandBox to start mockups for some of the other pages we discussed. Cheers, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Red Hat magazine articles fall under a creative commons license after a period of time. I have seen the articles being republished verbatim in other places. Yeh, I believe the time period is six months. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that just got published to Red Hat Magazine today: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/27/the-open-palettehow-to-use-inkscapes-new-blur-filter/ This syncs up with one of the long term team projects we've been discussing recently - "FOSS Tools promotion and marketing" to show what you can do with the tools available in Fedora. Luya asked for the tutorial to be published on the fedoraproject wiki. Unfortunately this is not possible due to license incompatibility with RHM, but we can link to it. This gave me an idea: if there are a number of tutorials authored by *project members* and published elsewhere we can create a page in the wiki listing them (restricted to tutorials from members to provide an incentive). I can go ahead to create such a page but don't want to create one linking only to my tutorials :p Red Hat magazine articles fall under a creative commons license after a period of time. I have seen the articles being republished verbatim in other places. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Le Mer 28 février 2007 16:14, Nicu Buculei a écrit : > What other way to you see to provide alternate graphics for GRUB and RHGB? > Those can be changed only by overwriting the default and making GDM and > wallpaper fit may be seen as a move for consistency. > Remember, this is about a package the user consciously select and install. A package can install alternative ressources, provide documentation or a script to switch to those resources (and back), but you don't ever do the switch by default. The user/admin is in charge, not the package, separation of installation and configuration is a basic Fedora rule. Installing KDE does not kill GNOME, installing a new GNOME theme package does not kill other GNOME themes, apps do not fill the desktop with icons because they're so important they deserve a place there, we can have several OS localizations on the same system, etc The user installed my package therefore I own the system is plain rude. If RHBG and GRUB have no theming provision that's too bad, you'll have to fill RFEs and wait, it's still better than alienating users with high-handed takeovers. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
On Wed, 2007-02-28 at 15:10 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Paul W. Frields wrote: > > On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > [...snip...] > >> (I do not think that putting together an > >> extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires > >> working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with > >> some packaging experience to help us put it together.) > > > > I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends > > for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help > > out with this part. > > Is possible to make a package that at install time change the wallpaper > for all users? > I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, > RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, > but I am not sure about that. > Please don't. In general, installing a package should not change user configuration. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, but I am not sure about that. Please don't. This is the kind of heavy-handed intervention that makes users mad. But only it the user install the rpm by himself. Otherwise why use rpm at all? Just provide a gallery with wallpapers and we are set. What you can do is create aliases with names like "default" and change what they point at from release to release. Meaning that users who accepted to use distro defaults will get the changes, and others won't have their loved custom setup stepped on. For example I used DNA wallpaper and it changed to balloons recently. I could get mad - I didn't select "default wallpaper" in the list but "DNA wallpaper", it shouldn't have changed at the whim of the Desktop team. What other way to you see to provide alternate graphics for GRUB and RHGB? Those can be changed only by overwriting the default and making GDM and wallpaper fit may be seen as a move for consistency. Remember, this is about a package the user consciously select and install. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Le Mer 28 février 2007 14:10, Nicu Buculei a écrit : > Paul W. Frields wrote: >> On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: >> [...snip...] >>> (I do not think that putting together an >>> extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires >>> working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with >>> some packaging experience to help us put it together.) >> >> I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends >> for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help >> out with this part. > > Is possible to make a package that at install time change the wallpaper > for all users? > I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, > RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, > but I am not sure about that. Please don't. This is the kind of heavy-handed intervention that makes users mad. What you can do is create aliases with names like "default" and change what they point at from release to release. Meaning that users who accepted to use distro defaults will get the changes, and others won't have their loved custom setup stepped on. For example I used DNA wallpaper and it changed to balloons recently. I could get mad - I didn't select "default wallpaper" in the list but "DNA wallpaper", it shouldn't have changed at the whim of the Desktop team. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Máirín Duffy wrote: Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that just got published to Red Hat Magazine today: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/27/the-open-palettehow-to-use-inkscapes-new-blur-filter/ This syncs up with one of the long term team projects we've been discussing recently - "FOSS Tools promotion and marketing" to show what you can do with the tools available in Fedora. Luya asked for the tutorial to be published on the fedoraproject wiki. Unfortunately this is not possible due to license incompatibility with RHM, but we can link to it. This gave me an idea: if there are a number of tutorials authored by *project members* and published elsewhere we can create a page in the wiki listing them (restricted to tutorials from members to provide an incentive). I can go ahead to create such a page but don't want to create one linking only to my tutorials :p -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, 2007-02-27 at 19:19 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: [...snip...] (I do not think that putting together an extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras requires working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with some packaging experience to help us put it together.) I'm not a packaging *guru*, but I've been packaging a few odds and ends for a while now, and if I didn't mention it before, I'm happy to help out with this part. Is possible to make a package that at install time change the wallpaper for all users? I think a package for an alternate theme should change: GRUB splash, RHGB screen, GDM theme, wallpaper. Maybe even the screensaver graphic, but I am not sure about that. -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: which icon ?
Mola, I think 06 has a better contrast and will look better in smaller sizes. It's very 3D and fits with my user icons, too. Nice work, thanks. On 27/02/07, Mola Pahnadayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: hi all :) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups
Máirín Duffy wrote: So one of the things we've discussed every now and then is having some kind of gallery system set up (beyond the wiki which isn't quite equipped for this) where we can share our work and comment on it, where the community can easily browse and comment on it, and (nice bonus) even have an RSS feed of artwork the general community can benefit from. YES Tonight I started investigating some options we have towards this. A great solution would be to have an install of the art.gnome.org software or have something custom-built for us, but I don't think we have the resources for something like that right now. So I've looked around at some other options: 1) Have an art-specific Fedora planet feed - It would be something like http://art.planet.fedoraproject.org and it would be a feed for artwork, not general blog posts. (E.g. you could syndicate your deviant art portfolio feed or a flickr fedora art album feed to this.) I was to lazy to act, but one of my old ideas was to run such an aggregator even on my own server. Whichever other option we go with, it should produce suitable RSS feeds so we should probably do this anyway. Send me your feeds (art, not blog) and I'll make the request to set it up. 2) Set up a Deviant art community - So I set one up and played around with it, take a look: http://fedora-art.deviantart.com/ Disadvantages: - the RSS feeds don't actually embed the image, they only provide a link. (does anyone know if it embeds the image for paid subscription accounts? I'd be willing to donate the $$ if so.) This is a real problem. Yes, one can pay for one subscription for the group but I guess the other members will like to have their own usable feeds. 3) Flickr community I gave this a try too, take a look: http://www.flickr.com/groups/fedora-art/ Definitely: I hate you! Today I had to promote the RHM article at the first hour but can't do that because you give me a lot of work wih investigating those groups and communities you created :p Disadvantages: - theres a limit per month on how much you can upload per user account (I think it's 50mb/month.) I think we can deal with 50MB - flickr is focused entirely towards photos. while i read their terms of service and made sure that it was okay for us to use for our purposes - people won't be able to search for our artwork using the UI because it seems they block non-photos from that according to their policy. I remember reading some time ago about flickr disabling accounts where the majority of the content is not photos. It may be true or not, but I think we do not want to use flickr against the will of the owners. 4) Set up a version control repository - Disadvantages: - high technical barrier to entry indeed, no version control 5) Something else? I have a few more ideas: 6) picassaweb.google.com - it can be used by artists, give RSS feeds with thumbnails but does not have groups. It can be used if we go with only a planet aggregation. Major disadvantage: it support only jpg, not even png 7) the Infrastructure project plan to offer hosting space, developers.fedoraproject.org and people.fedoraproject.org: use this space and host our own solution ccHost is what we are using at http://openclipart.org - the software have a lot of features: users, feeds for everything, comments, ratings. Is not very mature in my experience but is sponsored by Creative Commons. Can be configured to use a lot of file types, including SVG. 8) again, in our own hosting space run an instance of Gallery (http://gallery.menalto.com/) - I don't have any experience with installation or administration, but from the website it seems it recently it gained support for RSS feeds -- nicu Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
