Re: Echo's software update icons

2007-03-07 Thread Nicu Buculei

Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:


Taking a icon from Diana and Mike, here is the preview of these
software update icon action.


AFAIK those icons are used *only* in the Notification Area at small size 
and the 48x48 is never used, so the most important is how readable they 
are at 24x24.


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Re: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

2007-03-07 Thread John Baer
Paul wrote:
> It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to
> fp.o/wiki/Artwork.  John, can you move these pages to use the existing
> "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")?  Right now, it looks like
> the
> original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any
> contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such
> page"
> page.  Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all
> the
> existing links working within reason is fine, too. 

Corrections in place :)

John

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Echo's software update icons

2007-03-07 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
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Taking a icon from Diana and Mike, here is the preview of these
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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 17:07 -0500, Diana Fong a écrit :

> I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or 
> screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' 
> and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope 
> can cause confusion.

setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change
stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are
mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are
static

For me gears = active/running stuff, wrench = tweaking things
(gears have been used in the past to mark system services and
executable/batch files). Both are not appropriate metaphors for looking
at static things

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Diana Fong

Martin Sourada wrote:

So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't
have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki.

Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of
the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like?

Regards,
Martin Sourada

Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
  

Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit :


Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.
  

I definitively like this one more than the others.


Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread.  I was a bit 
skeptical about the microscope idea because it is such a complex shape, 
but you seem to have pulled it off quite nicely.  I am, however, still 
concerned about how the microscope idea would render in the smaller 
sizes.  Perhaps in those cases, you can just use the flat microscope 
shape from version 7 and 7a?  To keep consistency with your current 
version, the flat microscope shape would be slightly elevated from the 
page.  Just an idea...


I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or 
screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' 
and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope 
can cause confusion.  Perhaps it's just me.  I don't have an answer to 
this, but believe that if we are to introduce the microscope in 
signifying this, or a similar, action...we should clearly state, when a 
wrench would be used, when the microscope would be used, etc.  Please 
help clarify.


Martin, your post today on shadows, shall I include that in the Echo 
Guidelines?  Did you find any of the feedback from the previous 
'shadows' thread useful to include? 


Thanks,
Diana Fong

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Martin Sourada
So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't
have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki.

Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of
the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like?

Regards,
Martin Sourada

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> Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit :
>> Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.
> 
> I definitively like this one more than the others.
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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit :
> Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.

I definitively like this one more than the others.

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
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Small note, I edited echo development wiki page to show that you are
working on document-properties icon.

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
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Martin Sourada wrote:
> I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an
image on
> a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
>
> If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons
form this
> post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
> document-properties?
>
> [1] microscope.png
> [2] document-properties-7.png
> [3] document-properties-7a.png
>
>> Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
>>> How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other
>>> mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and
>>> "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something
>>> else for inspection.
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Look at document-revert on echo-development wiki page[1]. I think It
will give you more ideas. As for 03, make more outline in metallic
color suggested from echo guideline[2]. I prefer the first microscope
icon but I would like to see how the last icon will look following the
suggestion.


[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment
[2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Martin Sourada
Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement.

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Re: which icon ?

2007-03-07 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Ben Arnold wrote:
> Mola,
>
> I think 06 has a better contrast and will look better in smaller
> sizes. It's very 3D and fits with my user icons, too.
>
> Nice work, thanks.
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> On 27/02/07, Mola Pahnadayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> hi all :)
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06 image might work on 16x16 while 07 fits well on other resolution.  As
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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Martin Sourada
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I do not know if I fully understand what you meant by "putting the docume=
nt
under the microscope", but I tried some relative positions of the page an=
d the
microscope and ended with something that seems to look fine[1]. Is that w=
hat you
was talking about?

Thanks for your suggestions.

Regards,
Martin Sourada

Attachments:
[1] - document-properties-8.png

Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
> Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a =C3=A9crit :
>> I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as a=
n
>> image on
>> a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
>=20
> Thanks a lot
>=20
>> If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons fo=
rm
>> this
>> post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup an=
d
>> document-properties?
>>
>> [1] microscope.png
>> [2] document-properties-7.png
>> [3] document-properties-7a.png
>=20
> I don't like the one with lines, they make the form difficult to see
> For the one without lines, maybe putting the document under the microsc=
ope
> instead of the microscope inside the page would be clearer:
> - for me "stuff inside page" =3D "one particular file type")
> - you'd get a mnemotechnic shape, which is always good
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> But hopefully others will comment.
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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Nicolas Mailhot

Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a écrit :
> I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an
> image on
> a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?

Thanks a lot

> If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form
> this
> post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
> document-properties?
>
> [1] microscope.png
> [2] document-properties-7.png
> [3] document-properties-7a.png

I don't like the one with lines, they make the form difficult to see
For the one without lines, maybe putting the document under the microscope
instead of the microscope inside the page would be clearer:
- for me "stuff inside page" = "one particular file type")
- you'd get a mnemotechnic shape, which is always good

But hopefully others will comment.

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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.

2007-03-07 Thread Martin Sourada
I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an image on
a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?

If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form this
post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
document-properties?

[1] microscope.png
[2] document-properties-7.png
[3] document-properties-7a.png

> Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
>> How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other
>> mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning "do stuff" and
>> "look at it". I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something
>> else for inspection.
>>
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Re: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

2007-03-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Wed, 2007-03-07 at 00:02 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> 
> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 19:13 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote:
> > It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to
> > fp.o/wiki/Artwork.  John, can you move these pages to use the existing
> > "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")?  Right now, it looks like the
> > original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any
> > contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such page"
> > page.  Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all the
> > existing links working within reason is fine, too.
> 
> I went ahead and did this, so all the ArtWork pages now redirect to
> their Artwork counterparts. Hope this is OK John. We have so many pages
> that still used Artwork it seemed kind of overwhelming to change them
> all over so I just moved the 3 or 4 that were ArtWork. :)

Thanks Máirín!

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Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based groups

2007-03-07 Thread Nicu Buculei

Máirín Duffy wrote:


I set up a page to try to capture all this discussion:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication


You summed well the issue.

I added to the "Ideas" list a few words about Coppermine (another widely 
used php web gallery) which may be made to produce RSS feeds with a 
plugin and a few more words about thumbnails in the feeds from ccHost 
(we will need to patch Planet to use them, Planet does not support 
 nor  tags).



As noted on the page from the discussions we had on the infrastructure
list, it seems that to move forward, we need to:

* Formally define our requirements

* File an RFR (request for resources) with the infrastructure team once
we work out our requirements.

I took a quick stab at a requirements list:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Communication#head-d5fb254365e4065b55a41bf5adabfe5681b97f55

What do you think? Am I missing anything? Disagree with the priority of
any of the items? It's on the wiki, so feel free to discuss and
modify. :)


The priority is good, unfortunately our first priorities are the hardest 
to find in the existing solutions.


I added another item, but it may be merged with the second one (any 
other source art): we may want tar.gz and .xpm (with a PNG thumbnail) if 
we want to host GDM or GRUB themes.



It may just be that we discuss this with the Infrastructure Team and
find out they might not have time for a while, so we stick with say
DeviantArt or Flickr and just have a planet feed of our artwork for now,
and later on the Infrastructure Team might help us build out what we
need. Or maybe they'd have time now. So I think moving forward we'll
either end up in one of those two scenarios. If we end up in the first
one though we'll need to decide what system we want to go with in the
meantime.


Either way we end up with the hosting, aggregation will be needed, so I 
say we can go ahead ask the Infrastructure for a Planet install first.


I would like to hear about hosting solutions also from the other members 
of the team, have you experience with such systems? Even with those we 
talked about (Gallery, Coppermine, ccHost). Freshmeat has plenty of 
projects listed: 
http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=gallery§ion=projects&Go.x=0&Go.y=0


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