New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Just made a quick icons for menu editor and package manager based on current Echo version. In case of 24x24, they will be retouched with Gimp. More icons will come. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): Mark wrote: .. why not make the keyboard how it reallu looks.. soft white with black keys. Here is the latest update. The keyboard is similar to OLPC XO keyboard for simplicity. Currently available is 24x24 and 48x48 icons. The 16x16 will be 2D. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list This ones are perfect. Only one comment - why the shade is offset from the icon? I didn't saw such a thing in other Echo icons... Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Martin Sourada wrote: This ones are perfect. Only one comment - why the shade is offset from the icon? I didn't saw such a thing in other Echo icons... Thanks, Martin Fixed. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): Martin Sourada wrote: This ones are perfect. Only one comment - why the shade is offset from the icon? I didn't saw such a thing in other Echo icons... Thanks, Martin Fixed. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hm... I meant it is offset a little too much behind the icon. IMO it should be directly below it (and a little backwards). Did you attached there right icons? The first is exactly the same as the one you posted before and the second one (with L postfix) has only cut shadow on the left and is in 24x24 size... signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Le Mer 4 avril 2007 08:45, Luya Tshimbalanga a écrit : Just made a quick icons for menu editor and package manager based on current Echo version. In case of 24x24, they will be retouched with Gimp. More icons will come. Some remarks (I know I'm a pest): 1. I don't like the menu editor icon at all. If you don't know it's a menu editor, you won't guess : the menu part is difficult to distinguish, and the pen is associated with writing text, not composing menus. I'd rework the menu bit and remove the pen. Probably taking something like the classic add line in a table icon as base. Right now at fist sight it looks like yet another office/text editor icon. Generally speaking the isometric perspective echo chose makes this kind of icon difficult to create, since it reduces the effective space and slants common symbols. It works with 3d objects but not with 2d objects and pictograms (Note: I'm typically using = 100 dpi screens, and they'll only get more common now Vista lifted the old 96dpi windows resolution clamping. That means I may see have somewhat smaller pixels than you, with smaller icons) 2. I'd remove the CD gray box on the second one (no idea if it's supposed to be a PC tower case or a CD+manual box). The main installation/update method is network nowadays, and almost no one gets his Linux software in cardboard boxes. Maybe a pile of greyed-out closed packages with one colorful open package in the foreground would work better. Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Martin Sourada wrote: Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): Martin Sourada wrote: This ones are perfect. Only one comment - why the shade is offset from the icon? I didn't saw such a thing in other Echo icons... Thanks, Martin Fixed. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Hm... I meant it is offset a little too much behind the icon. IMO it should be directly below it (and a little backwards). Did you attached there right icons? The first is exactly the same as the one you posted before and the second one (with L postfix) has only cut shadow on the left and is in 24x24 size... Posting the svg version. For some reason, I experiment a slowdown on Inkscape. -- ¢D0 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mer 4 avril 2007 08:45, Luya Tshimbalanga a écrit : Just made a quick icons for menu editor and package manager based on current Echo version. In case of 24x24, they will be retouched with Gimp. More icons will come. Some remarks (I know I'm a pest): Better get a remarks so it will be possible to track many issues as possible and fix as we can =) 1. I don't like the menu editor icon at all. If you don't know it's a menu editor, you won't guess : the menu part is difficult to distinguish, and the pen is associated with writing text, not composing menus. I'd rework the menu bit and remove the pen. Probably taking something like the classic add line in a table icon as base. Right now at fist sight it looks like yet another office/text editor icon. It was an attempt to reproduce the current menu-editor icons available on FC6. I will rework it. Generally speaking the isometric perspective echo chose makes this kind of icon difficult to create, since it reduces the effective space and slants common symbols. It works with 3d objects but not with 2d objects and pictograms (Note: I'm typically using = 100 dpi screens, and they'll only get more common now Vista lifted the old 96dpi windows resolution clamping. That means I may see have somewhat smaller pixels than you, with smaller icons) Ah ah. you use Microsoft Vista reference. =-O I will take account about the dpi in the future. 2. I'd remove the CD gray box on the second one (no idea if it's supposed to be a PC tower case or a CD+manual box). The main installation/update method is network nowadays, and almost no one gets his Linux software in cardboard boxes. Maybe a pile of greyed-out closed packages with one colorful open package in the foreground would work better. I am considering using a Globe instead of CD. And yes, the grey box is a PC tower. Be in mind it is just a draft. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Le Mer 4 avril 2007 10:19, Luya Tshimbalanga a écrit : Ah ah. you use Microsoft Vista reference. =-O Nope :) I personnaly don't care about Vista at all. However the windows 96dpi limitation hack has been ported by X GNOME people to the Linux desktop a few years ago, and they're resisted fixing it so far. Arguing that as long as Windows only knew 96dpi higher DPI hardware would't appear in numbers on the market. Now MS fixed their bug there's no excuse left to refuse considering screens with higher pixel density (OLPC is one) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Le Mer 4 avril 2007 13:58, Matthias Clasen a écrit : On Wed, 2007-04-04 at 10:32 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Using number on top and alphabet on bottom. Comment? you lose, number row is another part that varies a lot between layouts ;) I really fail to see how resemblance or lack thereof of a 3-key icon to any real keyboard layout is relevant here. Are you claiming that people will not recognize the icon because it disagrees with their keyboard layout ? What is the point here ? The first one was real bad because it was clearly qwerty¹. Changing the last one is probably nitpicking ¹ and yes in countries not using qwerty anything that looks like hardcoded qwerty has very bad associations. Too many badly coded software reverting to qwerty at the worst time leave bad feelings -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
o.. even better (imho) try to make it look like this: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-concept/keyb_003.jpg don`t know if it will end up right. more images: http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus-concept/ some depth and shadows inside the keys must get in. 2007/4/4, Luya Tshimbalanga [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Please do not use qwerty keys as base. All the world is not qwerty, you know. Take a key pattern from the middle of the keyboard, as this part tends to be shared by every latin layout at least. I'd have tried deeper keys, but maybe it reduces icon legibility Regards, Using number on top and alphabet on bottom. Comment? Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo emblems
Matthias Clasen wrote: I thought I should point out some problem with the current Echo emblems. The echo package currently contains icons of size 48x48 in the 48x48/emblems directory, which makes them appear much too large in nautilus. Nautilus expects icons that are suitable for use as emblems on 48x48 icons in 48x48/emblems, unscaled. E.g. the 48x48/emblems in the gnome icon theme contains icons with sizes 32 (some other sizes, too). Correct me if I am wrong here, Alex. I though Nautilus had the ability to scaled down these emblems icons. That probably explains why Desktop icons is larger than it should be. I presume the emblem should be 24x24, right? Another shortcoming with emblems is that there are no .icon files in the echo-icon-theme package. These can be used to associate some meta-data with icons, like attachment points, and, more importantly for emblems, translated display names. Nautilus shows these names in the emblems dialog. It might be a good idea to simply copy these from the gnome-icon-theme. I am afraid I don't know very much about .icon files. The team will need help that issue. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Martin Sourada wrote: Martin Sourada napsal(a): You lose too... there is a number of qwertz keyboard layout, default Czech and Slovak included... There are so many layouts that it is impossible to have three keys in most of the layouts on their positions... But if I could suggest... I would use Dvorak layout [1], and in the middle of the home row... It could imply effectiveness... ;-) e.g. U I K References [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard Or, maybe, it just come to my mind, you could use four keys and arrange them so that they would wield a name of the icon set, e.g. E H C O Amazing how a simple layout caused some debates. Martin's suggestion seems reasonable. Here is a preview of the new keyboard layout. Any objection? Luya -- ¢D0 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo emblems
Matthias Clasen wrote: I thought I should point out some problem with the current Echo emblems. The echo package currently contains icons of size 48x48 in the 48x48/emblems directory, which makes them appear much too large in nautilus. Nautilus expects icons that are suitable for use as emblems on 48x48 icons in 48x48/emblems, unscaled. E.g. the 48x48/emblems in the gnome icon theme contains icons with sizes 32 (some other sizes, too). Correct me if I am wrong here, Alex. Adding to the initial reply, Echo emblems have different sizes. The current package has not been updated to reflect the change. What will be nice is to get one of team members or package maintainers (either you or David) updating the index.xml using the tools J5 created[1]. I would like to do these task but I am already heavily taxed to get stock icons ready. Any taker? Sincerely, Luya [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: Some more work. See the attachment, now with 16x16 icon as well. They look good. No further comment. You can add it on EchoDevelopment wiki. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Uno Engborg wrote: The problem is that the menu part looks too much like a document (and yes, the pen adds to that impression). A add row in table like icon could work. Another way could be to show some part of the menu bar, so that it became distinguishable from a document. Good idea. Here is an attempt. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New icons draft: menu editor, package manager (Pirut)
Le mercredi 04 avril 2007 à 12:14 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga a écrit : Uno Engborg wrote: The problem is that the menu part looks too much like a document (and yes, the pen adds to that impression). A add row in table like icon could work. Another way could be to show some part of the menu bar, so that it became distinguishable from a document. Good idea. Here is an attempt. Much better. Maybe you can remove the blue tinge from the background menu slab? Echo is more than a little heavy on blue already. I suspect when the theme is complete reviewers will ask to re-paint some icons to avoid a monochrome effect -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): Amazing how a simple layout caused some debates. Martin's suggestion seems reasonable. Here is a preview of the new keyboard layout. Any objection? Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Agreed :-) Did you try for the 16x16 icon a straight perspective? It seems now too blurry/complex IMO (only the 16x16 one). Otherwise it looks great. Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: echo-icon-theme: gnome-devel icon draft
Luya Tshimbalanga napsal(a): Martin Sourada wrote: Some more work. See the attachment, now with 16x16 icon as well. They look good. No further comment. You can add it on EchoDevelopment wiki. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list I suppose the application-development icon one EchoDevelopment wiki is the same? Martin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Keyboard icons
Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Agreed :-) Did you try for the 16x16 icon a straight perspective? It seems now too blurry/complex IMO (only the 16x16 one). Otherwise it looks great. Thanks, Martin I am working on it. I might replaced them with other text to reduce complexity. Now that the consensus is reached, I will develop a derived icons such as shortcut and character input. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
