Re: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers
Le dimanche 27 mai 2007 à 23:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen a écrit : > On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 01:22 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > > > > > > Please, don't fall in the "coverage rathole" as Owen likes to call it. > > > There are more important qualities of a font that covering as much as > > > possible of Unicode. > > > > That's a very US-centric view and one reason we almost had a Greek > > revolt a few releases back. > > > > I suppose I should make pretty labels like Owen. "redneck guetto" comes > > to mind. > > > > I'm all for supporting all the worlds language. I don't agree that the > best way to achieve that is stuffing all the glyphs in a single font. Well, I don't agree that having many Unicode blocks supported by a single font automatically make this font a "rathole", and this stupid prejudice made us waste months/years because some people (including Owen) wouldn't look at the actual fonts and decided from unicode coverage metrics they must be bad (what turned out to be bad was bugs & lack of support for OpenType features in our font infrastructure). > Does that make me a redneck ? I don't think so. It makes you a redneck when you decide a font is bad just by looking at it's coverage numbers. Anyway, this battle has already been fought, every year brings FLOSS and proprietary fonts with wider coverage because that's what the market and users want, and even the puny latin/greek/cyrillic Liberation sports today would have been considered insane by "coverage rathole" people three years ago. I'd be nice if the same old tired "unicode → bad" argument was not brought up every other month though. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/28/07, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex > windows user after installing Fedora 6: > > "This looks like windows 98." Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks just like Win98? I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP but with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration". I've not yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem anything special to me. People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little polish. Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison my friend did with windows because I don't use them. > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooh". The first thing I do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, that's the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one person isn't right for another. you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more customizable... that is not the point. the point is in default theme. There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but there are just so many driver problems associated with them. I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of attention for these packages. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fwd: shiny desktop, anyone?
I missed sending this mail to this mail list, so I'm doing it now. -- Forwarded message -- From: Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 5/23/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:39 +0800, Ken YANG wrote: > as we see, suse 10.2 has the animation grub, it looks good. > > can fedora has this kind of grub? > We (the desktop team) hope to get rid of the grub menu in the default boot sequence instead of making it nicer. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup Great! Go desktop team, go! :) I really believe that presentation of linux is one of the most important things... it must be shiny and prety :) Nice kernel hacks and speedups are nice... but those are things that most desktop users don't care and don't know even exist... but they know good interface and nice boot grub screen when they see one. So please make grub as nice as possible... the test of Fedora is really nice... I really like it graphically wise. I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: "This looks like windows 98." And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I saw UbuntuStudio theme, that is an other extreme... but still a good try. It is too dark an a bit too shiny... but I guess that that is what users expect to see. Just my 2c. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On Monday, May 28, 2007 5:16 pm Valent Turkovic wrote: > > People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - > just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - > theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the > same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be > gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little > polish. What? Clearlooks rocks. In fact, I STILL say that KDE ought to use Klearlooks as the default widget theme just to get the similar look... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
