Re: Fedora 8 theme requests
Daniel Geiger wrote: Hi, I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a new sound theme. The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in Linux/FOSS. Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their spare time. Is a problem of manpower. And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters of a renewed Bluecurve). default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better with every new release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 13:44 -0400, Kelly wrote: Beagle doesn't waste resources? Even Google Desktop is more efficient than Beagle, which has been the cause of serious memory slowndown on every Linux system I've run with it installed. And I haven't seen any performance with beagle on or off. My 3 systems with mupltiple fedora core 6, fedora 7 and rawhide work same with beagle on or off. I also tested it on a really poor celeron and only 256mb laptop with ubuntu running. I disabled beagle completely on this laptop and it still it's performance was bad as it was before I disabled beagle and some other stuff. the moral of the story: If you have crappy hardware you will have crappy performance and it doesn't matter if beagle is running or not. If you have good hardware you will have nice performance no matter if beagle is on or off. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
Valent, The burden of making beagle work is on the people who want to have beagle in by default like you, everyone else is entitled to decide the hassle of debugging or helping to debug beagle outweights the benefits. beagle is one of the few applications I know people manually remove from their systems when it's installed. Till it reaches the point people who don't use it don't notice it's installed there's no use asking for it to be in the default install. There's being useful There's being not so useful but not intrusive And there's being not so useful and very intrusive. Beagle is at state 3 today. That's not a good state. But it won't change by pestering people who didn't ask for beagle in the first place and had to make the effort to remove it because it was degrading their systems. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 13:34 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Valent, The burden of making beagle work is on the people who want to have beagle in by default like you, everyone else is entitled to decide the hassle of debugging or helping to debug beagle outweights the benefits. beagle is one of the few applications I know people manually remove from their systems when it's installed. Till it reaches the point people who don't use it don't notice it's installed there's no use asking for it to be in the default install. Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6, multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I have extensive experience with beagle. There's being useful There's being not so useful but not intrusive And there's being not so useful and very intrusive. Beagle is at state 3 today. That's not a good state. For me it is at state 1. And by me I don't mean only one lone desktop. As I have told you I run multiple copies on multiple hardware sutups - and on all of them beagle is at state 1. I would be writing this year ago when I was running Fedora 5 ane beagle was a nightmare, but it has gone a long way since then. But it won't change by pestering people who didn't ask for beagle in the first place and had to make the effort to remove it because it was degrading their systems. Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. But now do the same people than have a vote what does in the default install and what does not if they don't give an effort to troubleshoot it a little. Only saying me too to a bugzilla entry or on a mailing list makes beagle look bad but only because the majority of people who don't have issues with beagle don't even go to these mailing lists or to bugzilla. If you have tested beagle on multiple systems and find it causing problems then please excuse me - show us your test results and that is ok. I have seen much bigger issues with some apps in Fedora and they aren't removed from default install. Like a big, really huge bug with new user-switcher applet (look for my bugzilla entry) in Fedora 7. What is a great feature but it caused data and time loss for me! I have multiple resource meters running, and I see when my system acts strange and inspect it. Usually it is Firefox who causes my CPU to go to 100%. Should Firefox be removed because of this from default fedora install? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
Valent Turkovic wrote: Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. That's ok but this whole discussing has nothing to do with artwork and sending such mails to multiple lists is unnecessary. Stick to one list and discuss it there. Thanks. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
Le Mer 4 juillet 2007 14:52, Valent Turkovic a écrit : Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the other way around. That's not an argument when talking about breakage. Most problems only affect a minority and we don't ignore them. I have seen much bigger issues with some apps in Fedora and they aren't removed from default install. Like a big, really huge bug with new user-switcher applet (look for my bugzilla entry) in Fedora 7. What is a great feature but it caused data and time loss for me! I have multiple resource meters running, and I see when my system acts strange and inspect it. Usually it is Firefox who causes my CPU to go to 100%. Should Firefox be removed because of this from default fedora install? Bad comparison. Beagle causes problems even when users do not actively exercise it That's why it was kicked from the default install. The minimum to get in the default install is to have a neutral behavior when not used. And that'll be my last post on the subject till you come with evidence beagle is not doing this. And not only on your own systems. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
Valent Turkovic wrote: Well I would argue that the people who remove it are a minority, not the other way around. I have seen beagle installed on multiple systems and it is as unobtrusive as an app can be. I have tested it on Fedora Core6, multiple Fedora 7 installations and now I'm testing it on Rawhide. So I have extensive experience with beagle. This thread isn't on topic for this list at all. Can you look for a more appropriate list? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 8 theme requests
To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a new sound theme. The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in Linux/FOSS. i'm willing sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here you can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of effects and instruments. i don't know what program can do that for windows or linux (they exist.. i just don't know them). 2007/7/4, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Daniel Geiger wrote: Hi, I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a new sound theme. The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in Linux/FOSS. Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their spare time. Is a problem of manpower. And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters of a renewed Bluecurve). default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better with every new release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 8 theme requests
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 08:36 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Daniel Geiger wrote: Hi, I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the default Gnome sounds). What would it take to do so? To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a new sound theme. The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in Linux/FOSS. I have quite good skill in playing musical instruments... but never composed anything - especially not desktop music. Fugue would be easier :-D But anyway, I think, for creating good music/sound you need not good software/hardware. Just pencil, paper, musical instrument, skill and decent microphone... Audacity can do the rest ;-) I hope we'll eventually find one to do the sound theme, but probably we should focus now rather on graphics related things... Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their spare time. Is a problem of manpower. And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters of a renewed Bluecurve). In case of Firefox I started a theme some months ago, but I stopped doing it since I switched from firefox to epiphany, I was not much skilled in the theme creation (i.e. I was not well acquainted with the theme settings, subfolders, etc.), was a bit short of time, and Echo wasn't complete enough. I can post somewhere what I did so far, but the graphic part would need to be updated (to fit the current Echo, and I had it without shadows) and not all was done. If there is anyone interested just ask :) default, AFAIK). Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that? And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better with every new release. I am hoping for the best. Yet meanwhile, if we create Fedora gtk theme (and if it would be chosen as default), we could do the firefox theme to fit the rest of Fedora as well (including widgets)... But it's a hack - i.e. if user switches to some other theme/icons, the firefox will remain same (one of the reasons I switched to epiphany). Just my 2 cents, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Making Fedora Default Theme (release independent stuff)
Hi all, I have a few questions/suggestions about Fedora release independent Artwork. Most notably gtk theme, metacity theme, kwm theme, qt(4) theme. One of the reasons I started the Nodoka [1] theme was an attempt to fill the gap we have - Fedora has not defined it's artwork so far. So there are some questions that needs to be answered and I hereby ask your opinion about them: 1. do we want a default Fedora artwork? 2. do we want to look KDE and GNOME artwork same/similar? 3. if we do want, who is to decide which one will it be? 4. is it good to make an n-round competition or just let something to emerge from the wide community combined efforts? 5. is the art-list the proper for this discussion or some other lists needs to be included as well (e.g. fedora-desktop, fedora-devel)? 6. could it be considered as a 'feature'? And maybe other questions I forgot... So I think it would be good to discuss those I asked and make a wiki page afterwards, so it will be clean for possible contributors how can they help, etc. I mean this thread only for discussing the theme thing, not the themes themselves, so if you have comments on some themes please make them elsewhere (e.g. in a separate thread) :) Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MartinSourada/NodokaDraft signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 8 theme requests
yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that? 2007/7/4, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i'm willing sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here you can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of effects and instruments. i don't know what program can do that for windows or linux (they exist.. i just don't know them). IMHO, it's not necessary to make effects. Music was meant from its beginning to symbolise actions/states/feelings - instrumental music. Its late fashion that it does it through effects/words. We could distinguish Fedora from other distros by making a sound theme that would be completely instrumental - no effects. That is possible yet hard - needs a lot of talent and a lot of invention. And for instrumental music linux have all we need. Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 8 theme requests
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:52 +0200, Mark wrote: yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that? Er... any program that can capture sound from microphone... But, I just went through the fedora lists and noticed list called fedora-music-list [1]. There were several times mentioned an app called ardour [2]. Looks promising, but I completely dunno how to work with jack audio, so I had no success running it (but I didn't tried much)... Martin References: [1] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list [2] http://www.ardour.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
