Re: F8 Theme [Other Stuff]
Kelly wrote: On Friday, July 06, 2007 8:45 pm Leo wrote: On 05/07/2007, Kelly wrote: I mean, the capabilities of the graphical boot system are present in the Linux kernel itself Is this true? In which version of kernel? I can't name off a specific kernel version, but I know that other distros (notably openSUSE and Mandriva) perform graphical boot using stuff directly in the kernel instead of a separate program. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/SuSE+10.2+Lizard+Bootsplash?content=53507 - This is the one I used to use. It uses mkinitrd to load the images somehow... A few seconds later: Okay, I found the site for it. The patch isn't part of the official kernel, so I was incorrect when I said it was. Though I still imagine it'd be faster and easier to use the kernel itself to do graphical boot than to use a separate program to do so. Anyway, the site is here: http://www.bootsplash.org/ There are very good reasons this patch is not in the upstream kernel including the design and quality of the code. Even if we ignore that and patch the kernel, it will delay updates because of the maintenance overhead so no its not duplication. Read the spec Nicu pointed out. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 8 theme (Sounds)
John Baer wrote: All, I put together a wiki page of sounds from the free sound project which I am currently using with Fedora 7. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/GnomeSounds Better sound themes is a good effort though I am not sure whether we need to enable it by default. I don't consider sounds as part of the art themes or in the domain of the artwork team at all. You should probably post to fedora-devel list and talk to the maintainers involved. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation instructions to try out the theme would also be nice. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list We are still making changes to the theme. I did something more or less final, Daniel hadn't comment it yet. You can see the screenshot in my fedoraforum post [1]. Feel free to add your comments. I will make a rpm for easy installation when we decide with Daniel that it's complete enough. Meanwhile if you'd like to test it, just copy the gtkrc file from the attached tar archives (either one of Daniel's or the last one by me) to ~/.themes/Nodoka/gtk-2.0 folder. Martin References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/forum/showpost.php?p=824387postcount=19 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
Martin Sourada wrote: Please post screenshots or link to them in the wiki. Installation instructions to try out the theme would also be nice. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list We are still making changes to the theme. I did something more or less final, Daniel hadn't comment it yet. You can see the screenshot in my fedoraforum post [1]. Feel free to add your comments. I will make a rpm for easy installation when we decide with Daniel that it's complete enough. Yes. I would prefer a RPM package for testing changes. Have you done any benchmarks to see how well it performs compared to the default theme? http://www.manucornet.net/pub/olpc/gtk-theme-torturer.tgz http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GTK_for_OLPC#GTK_theme.2Fengine_torturer_and_crash_tester Better or atleast equivalent performance is important. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 14:06 +0200, Rahul Sundaram wrote: http://www.manucornet.net/pub/olpc/gtk-theme-torturer.tgz http://wiki.laptop.org/go/GTK_for_OLPC#GTK_theme.2Fengine_torturer_and_crash_tester Better or atleast equivalent performance is important. Rahul I downloaded the gtk-theme-torturer and attach the results. I don't know why in Clearlooks test it said 3 x 84 iterations while in Nodoka test it said 3 x 1200 iterations, however the settings were the same. Martin Clearlooks # 3 x 84 iterations -- Full torture # WidgetBoot-create Boot-mapBoot-expose Boot-destroyExpose Resize GtkEntry0.000147269 0.00315508 0.0022365 0.00338365 0.00177702 0.0238297 GtkButton 0.000121923 0.000489288 0.00523546 0.000181904 0.00200787 0.0188326 GtkCheckButton 0.000123846 0.000497058 0.00382321 0.000152538 0.00113287 0.0103687 GtkFrame0.000105077 0.000503962 0.00331173 0.000177462 0.000825481 0.00989146 GtkLabel8.63846e-05 0.000424096 0.0031726 0.000125115 0.0007045 0.00981844 GtkNotebook 0.00027025 0.00115765 0.00676956 0.000331577 0.0033179 0.0131119 GtkRadioButton 0.000133308 0.000499712 0.00471298 0.000159058 0.00199504 0.0111447 GtkProgressBar 8.34808e-05 0.00511515 0.00115177 0.000145558 0.000654327 0.0214813 GtkHScale 0.000303462 0.000592885 0.005676 0.000131577 0.00264463 0.0121585 GtkVScale 0.000305404 0.000592365 0.00632831 0.000130385 0.00185575 0.0123087 GtkScrolledWindow 0.000193692 0.000393865 0.0104869 0.000203173 0.00498819 0.0145693 Nodoka # 3 x 1200 iterations -- Full torture # WidgetBoot-create Boot-mapBoot-expose Boot-destroyExpose Resize GtkEntry0.000142481 0.00285169 0.00196394 0.00331675 0.00162346 0.0142914 GtkButton 0.000120462 0.000495635 0.0061404 0.000169173 0.00286858 0.0302243 GtkCheckButton 0.000125288 0.000503288 0.00404269 0.000148673 0.00118565 0.0103911 GtkFrame0.0001045 0.000502404 0.00333071 0.000175885 0.000900308 0.0109998 GtkLabel8.49423e-05 0.000427712 0.00316335 0.000124635 0.000702462 0.00971348 GtkNotebook 0.000268904 0.00117879 0.00658946 0.000330288 0.00315135 0.0128475 GtkRadioButton 0.000134615 0.000511135 0.00545163 0.000152596 0.00251883 0.0117605 GtkProgressBar 8.14423e-05 0.000823577 0.00390913 0.000140538 0.000664019 0.0226319 GtkHScale 0.000304769 0.000593154 0.00568373 0.000129462 0.00269512 0.0122241 GtkVScale 0.000308577 0.000593769 0.00648194 0.000130712 0.00263017 0.0125023 GtkScrolledWindow 0.000185885 0.000395327 0.0121235 0.0002015 0.00634665 0.0162035 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
Martin Sourada wrote: As for the rpm. I've just created it [1]. As for the performance - I tested only metacity theme, I don't know how to do benchmark on gtk theme, but Daniel says murrine engine is faster then clearlooks. Here are the results for metacity: $ metacity-theme-viewer Clearlooks Loaded theme Clearlooks in 0.01 seconds Drew 100 frames in 0.17 client-side seconds (1.7 milliseconds per frame) and 0.324083 seconds wall clock time including X server resources (3.24083 milliseconds per frame) $ metacity-theme-viewer Nodoka Loaded theme Nodoka in 0.01 seconds Drew 100 frames in 0.08 client-side seconds (0.8 milliseconds per frame) and 0.141556 seconds wall clock time including X server resources (1.41556 milliseconds per frame) Nodaka is considerably faster here. Are you using the Murrine or Clearlooks engine? I have heard that Murrine is faster and more customizable too. I have installed the package and will be using it for sometime and hope to give more detailed comments. Some initial feedback: It has a distinctive look. Theme appears to be more glossy than the current default. The title bar and especially the minimize, maximize and close buttons are rather large. I don't see the tab like effect in the menus that was there in some of the mockups. Can you add that? The scroll bar blue matches the window buttons but the title bar is a darker blue. Should that somehow match? We should probably have darker as well as ally variants. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
The big problem with the murrine engine is it does not honour colour preferences like a well-behaved theme. -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui
John Baer wrote: Thanks for the comments. At this early stage I just wanted to see which style had the most appeal. Even thought this is the early stages, you still need to respect the licenses and the rights of the authors of any works you've borrowed that are not your own. Please attribute these photos to their authors, and with their license. If their license conflicts with our wiki, please remove the photos from the wiki and link to them instead. Else, I will remove the photos from the wiki by next Friday. We need to be very concerned about licensing issues is all. It's fine to link to things that are hosted externally as Nicu suggested, but we shouldn't be lifting photos and uploading them to the wiki without permission. ~m To the best of my knowledge the photo's I did not personally take would meet the licensing terms of the wiki and open source. I would never suggest we use someone's effort without their approval. As my desire is not to labor over this issue the photo's from the theme submission and the wiki are removed. :( John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 15:27 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The big problem with the murrine engine is it does not honour colour preferences like a well-behaved theme. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Do you mean the colours that can be set at theme details - colours tab? They work if theme implements them, not the engine. Nodoka is done so that it take effect if you change them. However, if there is a desire and enough time (and people work) we can make a Nodoka engine to fit our needs better. I myself am not 100 % content with the murrine engine and would like to have some styles murrine engine probably does not support. I've also found an interesting engine which has the same effect on tabs I had in the mockups [1]. Maybe we can finish what we can with murrine engine, than derive a nodoka engine from it and gradually rewrite it to fit our needs. Your opinions? Martin References: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Aurora+Gtk +Engine?content=56438 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fedora 8 theme proposal] Fedora Nodoka Round 1
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 15:50 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 15:27 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: The big problem with the murrine engine is it does not honour colour preferences like a well-behaved theme. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Do you mean the colours that can be set at theme details - colours tab? They work if theme implements them, not the engine. Nodoka is done so that it take effect if you change them. However, if there is a desire and enough time (and people work) we can make a Nodoka engine to fit our needs better. I myself am not 100 % content with the murrine engine and would like to have some styles murrine engine probably does not support. I've also found an interesting engine which has the same effect on tabs I had in the mockups [1]. Maybe we can finish what we can with murrine engine, than derive a nodoka engine from it and gradually rewrite it to fit our needs. Your opinions? Note that themes can use multiple engines. I wouldn't necessarily recommend it, but it is possible, at least for prototyping. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
official Sticker?
Hi, please excuse, is this an official Sticker which can be used, produced and sell by anyone? Take a look at http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it Fedora linux ... Just a question :-) -- Regards Gerold Kassube Fedora Ambassador Deutschland / Germany Schweiz / Switzerland Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1024D/F33128B9 4ABC A903 F1F4 D9CC C422 AACA EDF1 DF42 F331 28B9 signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: official Sticker?
Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi, please excuse, is this an official Sticker which can be used, produced and sell by anyone? Take a look at http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it Fedora linux ... Just a question :-) No and it is likely a violation of our trademark guidelines to do this. If you have a contact address, drop them a mail and point them to the guidelines. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: official Sticker?
Rahul, I'll do so; there are more than only one violation. I asked within another question also in the Ambassador-ML and also informed the Webshop and legal . On the other hand: Why we don't create such official stickers and announce them for free usage on the fedorawiki; we can see, that the used sticker seems to be stolen from Nicu from his page at http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/ If we have such things all can be use the correct ones, ... ... and we have maybe less problems :-/ Just my five cents Regards Gerold Am Sonntag, den 08.07.2007, 00:39 +0530 schrieb Rahul Sundaram: Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi, please excuse, is this an official Sticker which can be used, produced and sell by anyone? Take a look at http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it Fedora linux ... Just a question :-) No and it is likely a violation of our trademark guidelines to do this. If you have a contact address, drop them a mail and point them to the guidelines. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Gerold Kassube -Vorstandsvorsitzender- Linux Usergroup Lörrach e.V. Marie-Curie-Strasse 8 79539 Lörrach _ ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) - against HTML emailX vCards / \ signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shu
On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 12:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Baer wrote: To the best of my knowledge the photo's I did not personally take would meet the licensing terms of the wiki and open source. I would never suggest we use someone's effort without their approval. If this is true you didn't have to take them down, but you should link to the place where you got them with that licensing information. Of course you wouldn't suggest using something without someone's approval, but you may want to review the contributor's license agreement that you signed back when you were given wiki access, specifically #7: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA ~m More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative commons license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then what does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shu
John Baer wrote: More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative commons license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then what does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied? I'm not a lawyer, but the CLA itself seems to suggest: you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or other restriction which would be pretty much what I was hoping you would be willing to do - identify the author and its license, Creative Commons or not. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
