Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. Anyway this is what I ended up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch What do you think? I was trying to figure where is the best place to reply: on the wiki where almost nobody seems to read comments, on your blog where I need a LJ account, so here is probably the best place. Yes, I think it is too purple. It would be the *first* Fedora release with non-blue graphics. (note: yes, I know you received complaints PLEASE not have an ALL BLUE background again, but I believe the color blue is part of our identity) Anyway, I think all purple is better than the blue-purple combination you tried in some places. I don't think is too distracting as a background, the white is soft and blurred, not solid, hard and contrasting. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Perhaps you should make the bridge a little bit abstract or subtle. The last background feels strange as the rays look distracting. -- Luya Tshimbalanga * Thinking too much like Fundamental Design class * Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. Anyway this is what I ended up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch What do you think? Would you mind posting some screenshots with the rawhide window manager and icon themes? It would be good to see how that looks. I think thps steps should stand out more prominently. I like the first one because the infinity part of it distinctly stand out and the third one because the stars add more perspective to the other plain purple sky. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Le Lun 13 août 2007 08:47, Jiri Jakub Masek a écrit : Hi Máirín, I like them, the fourth is the best, the third looks good but I can't accept the perspective of *pyramid steps*, it needs more work on dimensions to look naturally, I think... I'm afraid I'm going to complain about colours again :) Purple is to be used very sparingly in artwork. You'll almost never see largely purple pages in ads or magazines, because that's a colour many people don't react well too (learnt it the hard way a few years ago). Seems we're wired to associate purple with sickness. If you do purple you need a very contrasting colour so the result does not appear predominantly purple. That or a red fringing. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 13 août 2007 08:47, Jiri Jakub Masek a écrit : Hi Máirín, I like them, the fourth is the best, the third looks good but I can't accept the perspective of *pyramid steps*, it needs more work on dimensions to look naturally, I think... I'm afraid I'm going to complain about colours again :) Purple is to be used very sparingly in artwork. You'll almost never see largely purple pages in ads or magazines, because that's a colour many people don't react well too (learnt it the hard way a few years ago). Seems we're wired to associate purple with sickness. This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? If you do purple you need a very contrasting colour so the result does not appear predominantly purple. That or a red fringing. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Hey folks, I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. Anyway this is what I ended up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch What do you think? Would you mind posting some screenshots with the rawhide window manager and icon themes? It would be good to see how that looks. I don't actually run rawhide (I don't have much of an option) but if you do I would appreciate the screenshot. I think thps steps should stand out more prominently. See, I don't think that's a good idea. If they were anymore prominent, they'd be too distracting for a background - too much contrast. I like the first one because the infinity part of it distinctly stand out and the third one because the stars add more perspective to the other plain purple sky. Okay, I think I may try the new stars/bling with the first one and see how that looks. On my blog comments though it appears the bridge artwork is wildly unpopular... but it would be worth it to see how it looks. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Le Lun 13 août 2007 13:22, Máirín Duffy a écrit : This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? In a previous life I helped organise an event. We organised a competition to choose the picture that would appear on brochures, leaflets, ads, etc The design winner was purplish (with a bluish gradient, just like your mokups). The print shop warned us this was not a popular colour and we'd be well advised to ask the designer to change the main tone. We went through anyway. On hindsight this was a mistake - we had many remarks on the colour, and even today I have mixed feelings when I look at the art material I kept as a remembrance (esp compared to the ones produced by the teams that organised the previous and next iterations) Since then I've looked twice whenever I encounter purple artwork. I've found out the print shop was right - it is very rarely used, and when it is it's predominently with a hard contrasting colour (black, silver, white) to tone down the purple impression. The very few cases I've seen it in a big gradient were somehow less than optimal just like our own attempt. Hindsight is a wonderful thing :( -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide
On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: Here's what it looks like here. Cheers, Chris Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until today. Definitely not what Nodoka should like. I suspected that it's the combination of Fedora 7's gtk and rawhide's gtk-nodoka-engine and indeed it is. You can either update the gtk to rawhide version or rebuild the gtk-nodoka-engine package. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Le Lun 13 août 2007 14:05, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Ah okay. I am intending to add a lot more of the darker blue color to the gradient anyway but was just curious because this is just something I've not ever heard. Was it the same shade of purple? Or was it a more violet / reddish-hued purple? I don't have the material under the eyes but IIRC it was purple-dark blue with a white/blue element in the middle. I think (but I may be wrong) that a purplish gradient with a bright warm yellow/red element (such as sunset) is fine, as is a flat bright purple element within some other totally different colour (like a flowerbed against a white wall, blue sky or green vegetation). What trips human distate is purple to another cool colour gradient (blue, white, gray) without something to offset it. As I wrote before this kind of colour does not happen in nature except in a sickness context. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: In a previous life I helped organise an event. We organised a competition to choose the picture that would appear on brochures, leaflets, ads, etc The design winner was purplish (with a bluish gradient, just like your mokups). The print shop warned us this was not a popular colour and we'd be well advised to ask the designer to change the main tone. We went through anyway. On hindsight this was a mistake - we had many remarks on the colour, and even today I have mixed feelings when I look at the art material I kept as a remembrance (esp compared to the ones produced by the teams that organised the previous and next iterations) Since then I've looked twice whenever I encounter purple artwork. I've found out the print shop was right - it is very rarely used, and when it is it's predominently with a hard contrasting colour (black, silver, white) to tone down the purple impression. The very few cases I've seen it in a big gradient were somehow less than optimal just like our own attempt. Ah okay. I am intending to add a lot more of the darker blue color to the gradient anyway but was just curious because this is just something I've not ever heard. Was it the same shade of purple? Or was it a more violet / reddish-hued purple? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide
Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: Here's what it looks like here. Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until today. Most probably due to the large attachment the mail went to moderation and the moderator (me) was not online during the week-end :p -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Nodoka] Request for change of default gtk/metacity theme in rawhide
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 14:41 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-11 at 20:31 +0200, Christopher David Desjardins wrote: Here's what it looks like here. Sorry for the late answer, but the mail somehow didn't arrive until today. Most probably due to the large attachment the mail went to moderation and the moderator (me) was not online during the week-end :p Hehe, I didn't think of that possibility, rather thought the problem was on my side :) Anyway, thanks for the clarification. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
I put together in gimp some different colour variants of the fourth wallpaper, as I like that one most of all. The purple somehow reminds me of Christmas - not a good thing in the middle of summer :-D... So I made in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one seems to look best on a desktop. Máirín, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers will be cut... Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-divide_1600x1200.png [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-overlay_1600x1200.png [3] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/wallpapers/infinitelines-overlay2_1600x1200.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they cover. I also like what martin did with the colors for the 4th one, but I think, if anything, the yellow one should have some sort of hint of blue, just for visual tying to previous versions of Fedora. As much as blue isn't wanted as the only color, it is one of our forms of recognition in the open source community. On 8/13/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey folks, I've been playing around with the Fedora Infinity wallpaper this weekend trying to get something I felt really comfortable with because I felt that what we had at the end of round 2 just didn't have the level of polish and 'bling' I think we were hoping for. Anyway this is what I ended up with: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/Infinity/Round3Scratch What do you think? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Michael Beckwith wrote: I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they cover. Yeh, Nicolas' point is well-taken, I tried this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed/3.png So the blue is much darker and stronger and the purple area much more limited. (Other variants are in that dir too if you want to poke around, with the gimp XCF files... Martin's yellow version inspired me to play around in the gimp :) ) I also like what martin did with the colors for the 4th one, but I think, if anything, the yellow one should have some sort of hint of blue, just for visual tying to previous versions of Fedora. As much as blue isn't wanted as the only color, it is one of our forms of recognition in the open source community. Yep, we definitely still need a strong blue presence! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
O/H Máirín Duffy έγραψε: Martin Sourada wrote: I put together in gimp some different colour variants of the fourth wallpaper, as I like that one most of all. The purple somehow reminds me of Christmas - not a good thing in the middle of summer :-D... So I made in inkscape two blue gradients (brigther and darker) and in gimp desaturated the original version and combined it variously with the gradients. The first one [1] I include only because I think there is some feeling in it, but it's not good for default Fedora wallpaper... Its too bright and has no trace of blue ;-) But it's somehow mystical... The second [2] is light blue and third [3] is darker blue. The dark one seems to look best on a desktop. I talked to you about these in IRC :) But just to reiterate for everyone else, I really loved the yellow one and I tried to incorporate that effect in these: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed 3.png is absolutely awesome. I particularly like the soundwave consisting of vertical lines of the base theme; it breaks the monotony and lifelessness of the image of something non biological. It seems like a voice, and having that orthogonally placed with the vertical lines is just absolutely gorgeous. Great work everybody! :) -d Máirín, do you want me to do a screenshots of your wallpapers together with rawhide's default gnome theme? I don't run rawhide, but use the nodoka theme which was recently made rawhide's default and also have installed the rawhide's default icons (which are the same as in Fedora 7). However, IMHO, the wallpapers fit Echo icons better than the Mist ones... Do you have any special request as to what app(s) should be used on it? Note, however, that I have wide (16:10) screen so the wallpapers will be cut... That would be great! I do think the colors need to be adjusted a bit to fit the Mist icon set. It should be okay to just stretch the wallpaper to fit the 16:10 screen, it'll give us a feel for the color match. Maybe have a nautilus window open with some icons and maybe the wallpaper dialog? -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED], GPG: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither. (Anonymous) -- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme ready
After week of waiting, echo-icon-theme package has a permanent host, it is called hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme . I have added the icons already. You can can now add/remove icons easily. If you like to get account of that host, go to the admit account and request permission to gitecho-icon-theme. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme ready
On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 18:46 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: After week of waiting, echo-icon-theme package has a permanent host, it is called hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme . I have added the icons already. You can can now add/remove icons easily. If you like to get account of that host, go to the admit account and request permission to gitecho-icon-theme. Luya Good to hear. But, maybe it's a dumb question, but where can I get the icons? I tried git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme and it pulled only a README file (and git repo settings). Browse source on the Trac also shows only the README file. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Nodoka] New host
Hi, Nodoka was accepted into the fedorahosted. I did an initial sources import and initial setting of the track page [1]. You can get the sources with git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/nodoka If you wish for write access please use ssh protocol instead (ssh://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/nodoka), go to your fedora account and ask for approval in the gitnodoka group. Thanks, Martin PS: does anyone know if trac allows some standard way of files inclusion (i.e. not attachment)? References: [1] https://hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/nodoka/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Very good revision here. There are some very strong leading lines all over the place that all converge towards where the ghosted lines join and lead you up. The limited purple as well as the star field stuff help highlight the area. On 8/13/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Beckwith wrote: I honestly like the last one that Mairin did with the rays of light. When I first saw it, the impression I had was that of a ghosted roller coaster track, taking us up and off the wallpaper, as if going into the infinite abyss above. In a lot of ways that's what the chosen theme is about anyway. Taking people to new unknown places. As for the colors that she used, I think the purple isn't bad persay, but based on the experiences that Nicolas posted about, perhaps that gradient should be narrowed to just the top part? I clearly those two colors work good together, but maybe should be more off balance in regards to area they cover. Yeh, Nicolas' point is well-taken, I tried this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/infinity/gimp-processed/3.png So the blue is much darker and stronger and the purple area much more limited. (Other variants are in that dir too if you want to poke around, with the gimp XCF files... Martin's yellow version inspired me to play around in the gimp :) ) I also like what martin did with the colors for the 4th one, but I think, if anything, the yellow one should have some sort of hint of blue, just for visual tying to previous versions of Fedora. As much as blue isn't wanted as the only color, it is one of our forms of recognition in the open source community. Yep, we definitely still need a strong blue presence! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme ready
Martin Sourada a écrit : On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 18:46 +0200, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: After week of waiting, echo-icon-theme package has a permanent host, it is called hosted.fedoraproject.org/projects/echo-icon-theme . I have added the icons already. You can can now add/remove icons easily. If you like to get account of that host, go to the admit account and request permission to gitecho-icon-theme. Luya Good to hear. But, maybe it's a dumb question, but where can I get the icons? I tried git clone git://git.fedoraproject.org/git/hosted/echo-icon-theme and it pulled only a README file (and git repo settings). Browse source on the Trac also shows only the README file. Sorry. I haven't time to extract the icon into the directory. It will come shortly. Luya -- ¢D0 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon theme. Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the primary color in some of its themes: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, we'd have no colors left to work with. Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon theme. Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the primary color in some of its themes: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, we'd have no colors left to work with. Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? Not asking anyone to reject Purple. Just pointing out that it is already being used predominantly in another distribution and that to a extend invalidates the argument that people dont like purple as a color. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
I see what Rahul is saying. He's not saying that we shouldn't use purple cause Gentoo does, he's saying that because Gentoo does, we shouldn't shy away from the color. On 8/13/07, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: This sounds like a bit of an urban myth? I've never heard of this and I've a design degree - I would love to know where you've heard this? Purple is the Gentoo color. See http://gentoo.org including their icon theme. Isn't it kind of silly to reject any single color because of its symbolic meaning to another distro? Even SLES has used blue as the primary color in some of its themes: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/themesets.php The purple is an accent color, not the primary color. If we were to reject particular colors because of their symbolic meaning elsewhere, we'd have no colors left to work with. Also, Gentoo doesn't have much to do with this part of the thread? Not asking anyone to reject Purple. Just pointing out that it is already being used predominantly in another distribution and that to a extend invalidates the argument that people dont like purple as a color. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Infinity Update
Le mardi 14 août 2007 à 10:26 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Not asking anyone to reject Purple. Just pointing out that it is already being used predominantly in another distribution and that to a extend invalidates the argument that people dont like purple as a color. Do Note I was objecting to a very specific way to use purple -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
