Re: Form widgets on fpo website

2007-12-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rogue roguexz at gmail.com writes:
 Jakub, you are comparing how the widget looks in Firefox 3 alone. What
 about other browsers? What if the native widgets in those other browsers
 look terrible?

The main 2 browser engines in Fedora are:
* Gecko - for everything using this, the widgets will look just as in Firefox 3 
(from Fedora 9 on),
* KHTML (Konqueror) - ignores the widget styling entirely, so it's actually 
already displaying a native widget,
so what browsers exactly are you worrying about?

Also, I don't think the native widget can look worse than a simple 
rectangle. ;-)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: [Nodoka] News - scrollbar and focus ring redesign, git restructuralisation

2007-12-30 Thread Kevin Kofler
Martin Sourada martin.sourada at seznam.cz writes:
 Alas, the nodoka-kwin-theme is still empty, what's the progress on it Laith?

I believe the main issue is that we don't have a KDE 4 port of DeKorator yet, 
and Rawhide is already using KDE 4 KWin, so we can't use the theme in Rawhide 
yet. (WM decorations are only useful for the version of KWin we're actually 
shipping.)

 Any chances anyone volunteers to make a theme for KDE 4? I do not use
 KDE, nor know its theming abilities, so if you want Nodoka for KDE,
 someone must make it...

Ideally we'd also have a Qt 3 version, because not all the KDE apps are going 
to be ported to KDE 4 in time for Fedora 9. (Unlike the KWin case, for widgets, 
we're shipping both Qt 3 and 4, so we can use, and ideally should have, styles 
for both.)

In the KDE SIG discussions about that, I suggested starting from Polyester:
http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/Polyester?content=27968
which has both KDE 3 and KDE 4 versions available and which already looks close 
to Nodoka (at least to the version in F8).

WARNING: Whoever works on this will have to do changes to the theme source 
code, not just configuration files and images, so if C++/Qt scares you, this is 
probably not for you. ;-)

Kevin Kofler

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Re: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1

2007-12-30 Thread Laith Juwaidah
I'm not being mean or anything, but I don't think having war stuff in the 
wallpaper is a good idea, I don't wanna see war whenever I open my computer.
Honestly, I'll change the theme if that is actually the default for F9.

Sorry for being rude, but I really hate war! I'm from Iraq if that helps :D

Cheers! :)
On Monday 31 December 2007 01:33:43 Valent Turkovic wrote:
 Hi,
 I could't give this another name, because it just screams freedom
 and freedom already exists but it is a different theme (or it is not)
 and involves chains.

 Please look at this picture:
 http://www.faith47.com/images/Slice_03_03.gif

 It is from artists that work on www.dynebolic.org linux distro.

 I'm not an artist but a photographer and art critic and I have an eye
 for combining things. I can see fedora logo in the hands of that
 person and it would make a great wallpaper.

 The idea is this:
 In the background (bw looks great but also pale fedora colors would
 work) there are all the symbols and tools for taking away freedom and
 in the center you see fedora logo that represents freedom in color as
 it overcomes all that in background.

 Any comments?

 Valent.



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Re: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1

2007-12-30 Thread Valent Turkovic
On 12/30/07, Laith Juwaidah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm not being mean or anything, but I don't think having war stuff in the
 wallpaper is a good idea, I don't wanna see war whenever I open my computer.
 Honestly, I'll change the theme if that is actually the default for F9.

 Sorry for being rude, but I really hate war! I'm from Iraq if that helps :D

 Cheers! :)

Hi, affcourse you aren't being mean, this is a strong image so it
brings strong feedback from you, and that is ok.

I'm from Croatia (we had a war for independence 15 years ago, so I
know war in person not from TV).

I would like to see some strong and bold from Fedora 9 theme, for me
fedora 8 theme is the weakest and blandest to date and it is the
ONLY theme I changed, and I used fedora since FC5.

Valent

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Re: An Idea about branding the Firefox and Thunderbird apps for F9

2007-12-30 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Dec 30, 2007 8:19 AM, Rogue [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was just toying around with the Splash![1] addon for mozilla apps and
 I believe we can leverage the same for branding the applications, via a
 custom Fedora centric splash screen.

 What do you folks think about it?

First I very much seriously doubt that you'd get the necessary buy in
from the mozilla maintainers to add a splash screen by default.  So
its probably a non-starter.

Beyond that, I don't see the point of adding a splash screen to any
mozilla/xulrunner based application.. or any application for that
matter... just for a chance to add branding. Do we really want to
waste the user's time by popping up what are essentially Fedora
advertisement splash screens that serve no useful purpose? Why would
we ever want to add a splash screen? Aren't splash screens there just
to give you some feedback when a program is taking 'too long' to load?

Beyond that, I don't think its a good idea to add branding to
individual applications even when they have default splash screens...
open office for example.

I understand having fedora branding at boot up
I understand having fedora branding at the login screen
I understand having fedora branding during the default login splash
screen to get to your desktop.

But once we are in the desktop we already have fedora branding in the
default desktop configuration as part of the menu layout.  I don't see
a reason to be in you face about additional branding by adding
additional application specific graphics.

We are trying to keep the fedora branding elements separate from the
actual applications such that derivative distributions can easily
replace the branding.  Sticking additional branding into optional
application splash screens for individual application just complicates
the packaging even more.

-jef

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A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)

2007-12-30 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi,
first to introduce myself. I'm 29 years old fiber-optics technician
and a linux geek from Croatia. I used fedora since came out but for my
primary desktop since FC5 (i used openSUSE before and Mandriva before
that, ubuntu just doesn't work for me). I'm also a amateur
photographer and have worked with different artists as a critic for
last 10 years.

This is really hard for me to say and I apologize in advance because
all of Fedora Artwork team does great job, but I really have to say
what I think.

I have seen this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves
and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or
anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok. But this bring
me back to Fedora 8 theme proposal when I saw current infinity theme
proposed and I thought it will never pass quality check - how was I
surprised when I booted Fedora 8 for the first time.

I know that some people are really satisfied with Fedora 8 theme, and
that different people have different tastes but still I feel fedora 8
theme as too bland, too simple (and I love zen simple design!) and
just too plain. FC5 baloons were nice, FC6 DNA theme was amazing!, F7
hot baloons were cool but I just can't say anything nice about F8
Infinity.

I used Fedora as my primary work desktop since FC5 and for work also
(since FC6) and I upgrade my home systems always to latest Fedora -
this is the only wallpaper I changed from default and I believe that
says a lot.

Unfortunately, I have no creativity talent (except photography) and I
cannot contribute directly except as an constructive critic.

Please, please, pretty please go with a more bold wallpaper theme this time.

Thank you once more for all the work you have given to Fedora project
and I hope you accept these comments as constructive because this is
my intention.

Valent.

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Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)

2007-12-30 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Valent Turkovic wrote:


I have seen this:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves
and it frightens me if this is going to be the Fedora 9 theme... or
anything near this. If these are only sketches then ok.


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes clearly highlights that 
these are theme *concepts* and a couple of previous releases have 
followed the same schedule.


If you have ideas, feel free to propose more concepts like these. You 
don't have to be an artist to do that but eventually contributions will 
decide how the final artwork is going to look like.


Rahul

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