Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how you could actually argue that any differently. Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion. The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about GTK+ and metacity themes and icons. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it? different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that seems a bit of a leap. Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items tend to be easier to work with.) ~m I was asking you to look at the artwork, to be more precise to look at the gnome panels GTK+ theme - not the Gnome slab application menu. That isn't subtle, that is a major difference compared to default gnome applications menu. I like it how MintLinux has implemented it but I hate, hate, hate how OpenSuse has implemented it, but that is offtopic. Valent. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png Better even look at this screenshot not to confuse it with applications menu: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintupload.png Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
Valent Turkovic wrote: On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png Better even look at this screenshot not to confuse it with applications menu: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintupload.png Okay? Do you mean to call attention to the blue line along the side? It looks okayish? Not sure what you are looking for? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
Valent Turkovic wrote: On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. http://bayimg.com/MAiagaABL http://bayimg.com/MAIAIaaBL Look at these two screenshots, can you guess which is FC6 and which is F8? You probably can... but I would bet lot's of people wouldn't. One is my work FC6 desktop and other is my home Fedora 8. The first is clearly FC6, fairly apparent because of the metacity theme (which is quite different between both releases in both design and color) and GTK+ theme (the one in FC6 doesn't have the blur on the tabs). However neither of these screenshots shows any of the large amount of artwork that goes into the release to distinguish it - the wallpaper, etc. But I get your point. You are talking about GTK+ and Metacity themes, NOT the actual release-specific artwork themes that the rest of us are talking about. Please let's not confuse the issue here. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how you could actually argue that any differently. Yes :) Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking generally about complete Fedora look and artwork, I'm not too much familiar with the terms you probably use every day, so sorry for the confusion. If you have suggestions for alternative GTK+ and metacity themes we would like to hear them, but telling us you don't like what we have now is less than helpful. We do tend to like to go with what GNOME has chosen upstream. Somewhat recently jimmac blogged about potentially using a dark GTK+ theme in upstream GNOME. The grub graphical menu, splash screens and wallpape are different but complete look of Fedora hasn't changed that much - here I think about GTK+ and metacity themes and icons. Okay, please don't refer to that as the complete look as a lot of hard work goes into the artwork that we do change from theme to theme (although a lot of work went into our new metacity theme for F8 as well). I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very I can ask the author of the theme I posted you the screenshot because I'm not the author, but please first tell me what you think of it? I think I made my thoughts clear in my response. Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I
Re: [Echo] Final guidelines draft, final icon naming proposals draft, final new gallery
Martin Sourada a écrit : Hi, I have worked a little on Echo lately, partly because our gallery needed update to fedorahosted.org git repos [0]... So I decided to work a little on it and finish it [1]. It now includes all icons that are in the icon naming specification [2] as well as icons proposed in the icon naming proposal [3]. There I added what was missing - status icons. Thank you for updating the page. The change of the gallery needed also some changes to generate-status-table.c so that it points to new location. I committed the changes, as well as the generated tables, into git yesterday [4]. That reminds to upload new and modified icons. And when I was at it, I decided to move the guidelines [5] to hosted and work a little more on them and improve them to state that they are ready (IMO) for 'undrafting'. So I hereby ask anyone interested in Echo to check them so that we can finally remove the draft message and have the rules for echo icons set (and thus have bigger chance of attracting more contributors). I have added a small note for visual impaired users. Other than that, there is no more reason to keep the draft message. Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
first part of the icon review (with bugzilla links)
Hi Máirín! Hope you had a nice Christmas. Here is the first batch of the list I promised on irc. Added fedora-art list to cc. - Andreas * gthumb icon looks blurry. the artwork itself would probably look fine if it wasn't so blurred. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gthumb/trunk/data/icons/ * actually the fedora icon looks slightly blurry too - it looks like it is not aligned to the pixel grid. - http://www.stephenbrandt.com/tango-icons/fedora/ -open a bug about this? * blog entry poster' icon looks... pretty bad. I think this one needs actual artwork. - fixed in trunk! http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-blog/trunk/icons/ * Contacts icon looks blurry, the artwork would probably look fine if it wasn't blurred. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Email icon looks blurry. There should be an alternative icon for this in the gnome-icon-theme though, an image of an envelope. I'm guessing this is some kind of icon theme/packaging issue? - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * Ekiga icon looks blurry. The artwork would be okay if it wasn't blurry. - fixed in trunk http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/ekiga/trunk/pixmaps/ * Abiword icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this somewhere. - this will be fixed in 2.6 *Gnumeric icon looks blurry. There is likely alternate artwork for this as well. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=450444 * Tasks icon looks blurry. I know there is an icon for this in the gnome icon theme but it seems to only be in the 24x24 dir, but a 22x22 one could be easily made... - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467115 * CD player icon is blurry. The artwork doesn't really match the theme either. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504911 * Bluetooth analyzer - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=506133 * Bluetooth filesharing - would probably be ok if not so blurry. - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=484403 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
