Re: Wiki Migration

2008-03-14 Thread Nicu Buculei

Ian Weller wrote:

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote:
I think such category pages may solve the problem without the need fir 
integration with an external gallery (integration made with an "alpha" 
plug-in).

Galleries can be done within pages with the  tag, as seen at
[1].  It looks like category galleries are automatic with media files;
they just have to be added to galleries on the image's information page
(just hitting 'edit').


It would be even better if those galleries could be generated 
dynamically (like the category pages) but I think they are good enough: 
we can use static galleries in some cases and categories when needed.


Note: I am not opposed to having a stand-alone gallery, be it Gallery2 
or something else but I think 1) it should offer the features we need (I 
am not very convinced Gallery2 offer them, but I have studied it 
briefly) and 2) if we ask too much from the start we may end getting 
noting, so small steps are good sometime.


[1] 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28Linux_distribution%29#Fedora_gallery


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Re: Wiki Migration

2008-03-14 Thread Ian Weller

On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Can't we use for such grouping something like categories in Wikimedia 
Commons? Something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/GNOME - i 
believe you include the right category markup in the page and it is 
dynamically included in the category gallery.


I think such category pages may solve the problem without the need fir 
integration with an external gallery (integration made with an "alpha" 
plug-in).

Galleries can be done within pages with the  tag, as seen at
[1].  It looks like category galleries are automatic with media files;
they just have to be added to galleries on the image's information page
(just hitting 'edit').

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[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_%28Linux_distribution%29#Fedora_gallery

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Re: new icons?

2008-03-14 Thread Andreas Nilsson

Andreas Nilsson wrote:

Valent Turkovic wrote:
On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Máirín Duffy 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Valent Turkovic wrote:
 > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 >> Valent Turkovic wrote:
 >>  > http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png
 >>  >
 >>  > Hi,
 >>  > I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look
 >>  > really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed 
upon that
 >>  > there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please 
correct

 >>  > me if I'm wrong.
 >>
 >>  The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons 
in F8.

 >
 > I know that, but they look "old" compared to the rest of the 
artwork.

 > Are you looking to update them?

 What?

 ~m



If you open gnome menu to me icons look like from some old linux
desktop, they don't look as polished as other visual elements of
fedora desktop. I don't understand what you don't understand here.
I'm not an artists but I can give you my honest opnion that they look
misplaced and "old" compared to any other icon. If you look at firefox
or evolution icons they look much better on fedora desktop that icons
for "Accesories", "Education", "Games". Games icon looks really retro,
and it that was the intent of the artwork then I wouldn't say
anything, but I guess it is not.

How long are these icons being used? When was the last update of them?
Which year? Which fedora release?

English is not my primary language so there statements may look a bit
to direct and harsh but this is not my intention and all I would like
to start is some constructive discussion.

Cheers,
Valent.
  

Hi Valent!
These menu icons are about 1 to 1,5 years old (so quite new actually), 
the latest addition to the set itself was about 5 weeks ago. You can 
see the details here: 
http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/ (under 
size/categories)


Fixes for them are more than welcome, just file bugs in bugzilla with 
attached patches.

- Andreas
To clarify myself, that doesn't mean we haven't been drawing a single 
pixel in the GNOME Artwork Team the last month. :)
Our recent work have been icons and other graphics for Firefox 3, 
Evolution, Tomboy, Seahorse and Banshee (we fixed rhythmbox already) 
among others.

- Andreas

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Re: new icons?

2008-03-14 Thread Andreas Nilsson

Valent Turkovic wrote:

On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

Valent Turkovic wrote:
 > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >> Valent Turkovic wrote:
 >>  > http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png
 >>  >
 >>  > Hi,
 >>  > I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look
 >>  > really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that
 >>  > there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct
 >>  > me if I'm wrong.
 >>
 >>  The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons in F8.
 >
 > I know that, but they look "old" compared to the rest of the artwork.
 > Are you looking to update them?

 What?

 ~m



If you open gnome menu to me icons look like from some old linux
desktop, they don't look as polished as other visual elements of
fedora desktop. I don't understand what you don't understand here.
I'm not an artists but I can give you my honest opnion that they look
misplaced and "old" compared to any other icon. If you look at firefox
or evolution icons they look much better on fedora desktop that icons
for "Accesories", "Education", "Games". Games icon looks really retro,
and it that was the intent of the artwork then I wouldn't say
anything, but I guess it is not.

How long are these icons being used? When was the last update of them?
Which year? Which fedora release?

English is not my primary language so there statements may look a bit
to direct and harsh but this is not my intention and all I would like
to start is some constructive discussion.

Cheers,
Valent.
  

Hi Valent!
These menu icons are about 1 to 1,5 years old (so quite new actually), 
the latest addition to the set itself was about 5 weeks ago. You can see 
the details here: http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/ 
(under size/categories)


Fixes for them are more than welcome, just file bugs in bugzilla with 
attached patches.

- Andreas

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Re: Wiki Migration

2008-03-14 Thread Nicu Buculei

Máirín Duffy wrote:

Mike McGrath wrote:

The Infrastructure team is looking to move to mediawiki and would like to
work with your team to figure out how best to do that.  We have over 
4,000
attachments that we have no idea what to do with right now.  What 
would be

optimum for your team?  Would a non-wiki solution work best?  Do any of
you know of any gallery type plugins for mediawiki?


I forgot to talk to you about this - but the gallery2wiki plugin for 
media wiki looks pretty sweet. It does dynamic galleries based on the 
tags you add to photos. It seems pretty sweet:


http://www.transarte.net/mediawiki/index.php/Gallery2wiki

I have used gallery before and it's not bad so I think this might be 
worth a try?


That means also getting a full working Gallery2 instance which we 
can/would use for other purposes (like wallpaper sharing / GRUB themes 
sharing and such)?


Can't we host the images in Gallery2 and just hotlink them in Mediawiki 
when needed?


How about SVG support in Gallery2? A short research tells me its create 
thumbnails for SVG with imagemagick, so potentially sub-optimal. On the 
other hand, in my experience with Wikipedia, the built-in SVG support in 
Mediawiki (including thumbnailing) is quite good.



How does your workflow work for the arts section of the wiki?  Does it
work for you guys?  Do you like it?


It's okay for writing up specification style documents eg having inline 
mockups in a spec or having a list of graphics for one specific purpose 
(e.g. the release artwork mockups). But sometimes it would be nice to 
have a galley of all the artwork of a specific style, e.g., to be able 
to tag all artwork that is a banner and be able to have a dynamic 
gallery of all banners would be awesome! Or to have one gallery of all 
the mockups and iterations of one particular piece we're working on 
would also be helpful.


Can't we use for such grouping something like categories in Wikimedia 
Commons? Something like http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/GNOME - i 
believe you include the right category markup in the page and it is 
dynamically included in the category gallery.


I think such category pages may solve the problem without the need fir 
integration with an external gallery (integration made with an "alpha" 
plug-in).


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Re: new icons?

2008-03-14 Thread Valent Turkovic
2008/3/13 Michael Beckwith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  Valent Turkovic wrote:
>
>  On Thu, Mar 13, 2008 at 2:19 PM, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
>  Valent Turkovic wrote:
>  > On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 4:32 PM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>  >> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>  >> > http://www.uploadgeek.com/uploads456/0/old_icons.png
>  >> >
>  >> > Hi,
>  >> > I'm looking at gnome menu icons in current rawhide and they look
>  >> > really out of place. If I remember correctly is was agreed upon that
>  >> > there will be an update of this icons with some other. Please correct
>  >> > me if I'm wrong.
>  >>
>  >> The icons in your screenshot look exactly the same as the icons in F8.
>  >
>  > I know that, but they look "old" compared to the rest of the artwork.
>  > Are you looking to update them?
>
>  What?
>
>  ~m
>
>  If you open gnome menu to me icons look like from some old linux
> desktop, they don't look as polished as other visual elements of
> fedora desktop. I don't understand what you don't understand here.
> I'm not an artists but I can give you my honest opnion that they look
> misplaced and "old" compared to any other icon. If you look at firefox
> or evolution icons they look much better on fedora desktop that icons
> for "Accesories", "Education", "Games". Games icon looks really retro,
> and it that was the intent of the artwork then I wouldn't say
> anything, but I guess it is not.
>
> How long are these icons being used? When was the last update of them?
> Which year? Which fedora release?
>
> English is not my primary language so there statements may look a bit
> to direct and harsh but this is not my intention and all I would like
> to start is some constructive discussion.
>
> Cheers,
> Valent.
>
>
>  Which is all why we have people working on a new set (Echo) but they're
> busy with their own lives half the time and development is slow and at times
> heavily criticized(they're "not tango").

That is all the info I needed, thank you Michael. So is there a chance
that echo icons get done in time for F9?
Ah, if they cricitize tell them to put up or shutup :) (ironic comment) :)

Valent.



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