Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:

Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1]
Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using
guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for
people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9[2]. To get more details about
echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3].


Good move.

Was comps.xml updated to reflect the new default in rawhide? Any 
communication with the desktop and kde teams?


Rahul

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Rahul Sundaram a écrit :

 Good move.

 Was comps.xml updated to reflect the new default in rawhide? Any
 communication with the desktop and kde teams?

Not yet. I got the news recently and need to contact both team.


Luya

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:47 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Fesco has accepted echo-icon-theme as default icon theme for Fedora 10.[1]
 Which means we need to push harder to include as many icons as possible using
 guideline and echo-artist tool now available on rawhide and is waiting for
 people to get them on both Fedora 8 and 9[2]. To get more details about
 echo-icon-theme, please visit the website[3].
 
 References:
 ---
 [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/FeatureList
 [2] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/search/echo-artist
 [3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme
 

Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some
concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome
icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another
release. Is there anyone interested in doing diff - i.e. what needs to
be done there?

Martin


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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:48 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Using echo-canvas template, here is icon set of utilities-lvm.
 It is basically an updated version of upstream with echo-style.
 Feedback welcome.
 
 Luya

Few comments:
* to me it seems too tall, perhaps it would look more like
rotational cylinder if it were a little shorter
* it's missing shadow
* the 16x16 is not recognizable
* can you use dark blue for the out-most border?
* can you make the 256x256 more detailed and set borders as per
the new guideline [1]? I'd separate the volumes completely in
this size
* perhaps using different colours for each particular volume
might help with icon recognition
* also the gradient could perhaps use more than one echo blues?
(it would make the icon more saturated, not sure if it's
desired, we'd need to try it first)

Not sure whether you have filled a bug in redhat bugzilla, but seems the
desktop file contains full path to the icon, it's impossible to theme
it. You should file it and add a note at fedora wiki [2].

I noticed you used transform matrix for the icons. Since I use transform
translate in the scripts to generate the scalable SVG, I'm not sure if
it will work correctly. I'll try it and report back if there are any
issues with it.

Thanks,
Martin




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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:00 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
 Few comments:
 * to me it seems too tall, perhaps it would look more like
 rotational cylinder if it were a little shorter
 * it's missing shadow
 * the 16x16 is not recognizable
 * can you use dark blue for the out-most border?
 * can you make the 256x256 more detailed and set borders as per
 the new guideline [1]? I'd separate the volumes completely in
 this size
 * perhaps using different colours for each particular volume
 might help with icon recognition
 * also the gradient could perhaps use more than one echo blues?
 (it would make the icon more saturated, not sure if it's
 desired, we'd need to try it first)
 
 Not sure whether you have filled a bug in redhat bugzilla, but seems the
 desktop file contains full path to the icon, it's impossible to theme
 it. You should file it and add a note at fedora wiki [2].
 
 I noticed you used transform matrix for the icons. Since I use transform
 translate in the scripts to generate the scalable SVG, I'm not sure if
 it will work correctly. I'll try it and report back if there are any
 issues with it.
 
 Thanks,
 Martin
 
err... hit send too early...

References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines#Huge
[2]
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Icons/Names/SystemAdministration



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R: Re: Photo for InvinXble

2008-09-05 Thread Samuele Storari
Hi Pavel,

I thanks a lot for ur invitation, but right now I'm very busy on work, and 
I'ven't got so many time to enjoy another (parallels) project.
Anyway Thanks again.

Samuele

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2008/9/4 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview
 Not sure however, how much up-to-date it is...

I just noticed KDE section is outdated.
New KSplash engine in KDE4 is very flexible, with alpha blended PNG
sprite animation (i did fade-in+slide-in icons for f9) so only thing
that can't be done is alpha blending with desktop background (not even
rounded corners possible)
For KDM we (KDE SIG) would like to have userlist enabled by default,
so even having pretty nice layouting abilities for graphics, widget
layout can't be changed much.

As i mentioned already, you're very welcome to #fedora-kde, we will
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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:48 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Using echo-canvas template, here is icon set of utilities-lvm.
 It is basically an updated version of upstream with echo-style.
 Feedback welcome.
 
 Luya
Ok, found some issues with echo-add-icon:
 
* You need to add context (in this case app) to document
properties in document metadata (this would have been done
automatically if you had created the icon using echo-new-icon). 
* It seems you use older version of the template, so you should
rename the Artwork layer to artwork layer
* You need make a group of the objects for 48x48 icon first and
then lable the group as scalable

After fixing these issues, generating everything (even the SVG I had
some concerns about) works fine. If you have questions, just ask.

Martin


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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 03:01 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Martin Sourada a écrit :
  Ok, found some issues with echo-add-icon:
   
  * You need to add context (in this case app) to document
  properties in document metadata (this would have been done
  automatically if you had created the icon using echo-new-icon). 
  * It seems you use older version of the template, so you should
  rename the Artwork layer to artwork layer
  * You need make a group of the objects for 48x48 icon first and
  then lable the group as scalable
  
  After fixing these issues, generating everything (even the SVG I had
  some concerns about) works fine. If you have questions, just ask.

 It looks time to improve the scripts. 
Not sure about that - the context in metadata is necessary, so that the
script knows where to put the icon - having 48x84 icon labelled as
scalable is necessary for the script to know which objects to keep and
which to delete when generating the scalable SVG.
 
 I have updated utilities-lvm icon set. Let me know what can be
 tweaked.
 
The context in metadata is in description not in identifier (jimmac's
decision). The label for 48x48 is scalable not #scalable.

 Luya

I'll create explanatory screen-casts soonish (hopefully today). Btw. the
only one thing you could mess up if you create the icon using
echo-new-icon is the scalable icon label - the rest is checked (i.e. you
cannot enter wrong or none context). Well, you could make a typo in the
icon name, but that cannot be checked by the scripts :-D 

I attach fixed (for the one canvas workflow scripts) version. The
concerns I had about the icon itself (save for the shadow and tallness)
[1] still stand. The darker blue you used is better, but still not
perfect - it should contrast with the icon in 48x48 and smaller sizes
and thus making it better recognisable against various backgrounds (e.g.
the 22x22 or 16x16 is really hard to recognise) and in echo it should be
generally darker than the icon fills.

Martin

References:
[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-September/msg00035.html
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Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Samuele Storari
Hi Guys!

Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks 
based on daytime.
These are the final version of the background, no more changin'.
Same as usual u can find they here:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot.

ciao
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Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread María Leandro
+1

In fact, I have to confess that I already was using the wallpaper that you
put into the round 3. :D

I download a few days ago the .xfc and delete all the moons and supernovas
and is something like this.




2008/9/6 Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Hi Guys!

 Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different
 looks based on daytime.
 These are the final version of the background, no more changin'.
 Same as usual u can find they here:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

 After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot.

 ciao
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Re: Photo for InvinXble

2008-09-05 Thread Nicu Buculei
Samuele Storari wrote:
 As we said some days ago, now I'got a shoot of the Katana for the
 InvinXble theme.

 http://flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/

 Last question:
 What kind of license I need?
 I used a CC license, I hope it is the right one.
 Let me know if I had to make a change.


Since the photo is made by you, the license used on Flickr does not
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R: Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Samuele Storari
So right now, u can use the final version don't u?

:D

Samuele

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+1 

In fact, I have to confess that I already was using the wallpaper that you put 
into the round 3. :D 

I download a few days ago the .xfc and delete all the moons and supernovas and 
is something like this. 





2008/9/6 Samuele Storari  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  


Hi Guys! 

Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks 
based on daytime. 
These are the final version of the background, no more changin'. 
Same as usual u can find they here: 

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar 

After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot. 

ciao 
Samuele 

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Re: Using photos rather than art

2008-09-05 Thread Nicu Buculei
Bob Peterson wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

Hi Bob,

 I just wanted to let everyone know that, as promised, I just
 uploaded a bunch of photos (I think 23) to the wallpaper
 extras wiki:

 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras

Your photos are beautiful and I am glad you submitted them, however I have
a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments and
used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg, the
file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of creating
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Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Pavel Shevchuk
What's the Splash graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and
KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =(

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Guys!

 Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks 
 based on daytime.
 These are the final version of the background, no more changin'.
 Same as usual u can find they here:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

 After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot.

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R: Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Samuele Storari
It was in the request... so I made it.
I think for round 3 we need a really precise format db, with the right size of 
everything.
I'm still workin' on what I suppose we need.
A list is not only required, but needed.

If someone could make one I will be very thanksfull.

Samuele

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What's the Splash graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and
KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =(

On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Guys!

 Now I've uploaded on the wiki the widescreen background with different looks 
 based on daytime.
 These are the final version of the background, no more changin'.
 Same as usual u can find they here:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

 After i will try to create something for the Anaconda boot.

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Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 17:35 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote:
 What's the Splash graphic for? GNOME doesn't use splash anymore and
 KDE doesn't support alpha blending with desktop =(
 
That's for anaconda, as can be seen in the picture above this one.

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Re: Using photos rather than art

2008-09-05 Thread Bob Peterson
- Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments
| and
| used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg,
| the
| file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of
| creating
| collisions).

Hi Nicu,

Sorry about that.  I'll try to conform from now on.
Is there any way I can rename the files out there to match
the established convention?

Regards,

Bob Peterson
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[Echo] Guidelines change, tutorials update, new screencasts

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
Hi,

I've done some work on Echo wiki today and added Huge size guideline and
One Canvas guideline to the Echo Guidelines [1]. 

Also with the introduction of the new echo-artist scripts, I updated
some Echo tutorials [2][3] and created three new screen-casts [4][5][6]
showing how to use these tools properly.

Comments welcome,
Martin

PS: I am going to FUDCon tomorrow (Saturday) and since we'll most likely
hold a session about Fedora Art with Nicu, it's possible that I mention
these changes as well :-)

References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines
[2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/WorkingWithGit
[3] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/AddingNewIconSet
[4] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-set-up.mkv
[5] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-update.mkv
[6] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/screencasts/echo-add-new-icon.mkv


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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:35 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 I'm here... So, I think we need to act quickly to make Echo the default
 for the beta, to test the waters before F10. For Gnome, the way to do
 that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in
 Echo instead of Mist.
 
Definitely, that would be the preferred way of doing it.

 Wrt to coverage, I have worked pretty hard this cycle to make Gnome use
 icon-naming-spec names wherever possible, so things should be good as
 long as Echo has near-100% coverage for
 
 a) icon-naming spec
Won't be easy, but we should be able to make it in time...

 b) GTK+ stock icons
Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to
see which are still missing.

 c) application icons that show up in the menus of the default install
 
We are currently making icons for the System menus which has currently
very bad coverage in all icon themes so far. We should be able to finish
the System - Administration menu soon.

 I can look into doing the fedora-icon-theme change.
 
That would be great!

 
 Matthias
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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 18:22 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:35 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:


  I can look into doing the fedora-icon-theme change.
  
 That would be great!
 

I've done this now. 

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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 10:24 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Here is fixed icons. Gradient are removed on outline for sightly
 brighter 48x48 icon and lower.
 
 Luya
 

Generally looking good, but still needs improvement:
* 16x16 icon is blurry - display rectangular grid (the
axonometric grid does not fit with pixel grid) and fix the lines
with its help
* 256x256 should use thinner borders (1 px), preferably
semi-transparent (I tend to set ~30% opacity) and I think it
would be better if you separated the volumes there, so you'd
have actually three cylinders instead of one

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Re: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:27 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 A difficult icon to create. This version is a variant of system-standby
 iconset.
 
 Luya

The metaphor might work (as we already discussed on #fedora-art), but I
think it should be in apps context which means it needs to have
isometric perspective.

BTW. Did you start the icon using echo-new-icon to have everything set
right? I am (almost) unable to check now if it contains apps in document
metadata description since I'm on CentOS and haven't installed inkscape
yet.

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Re: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
Martin Sourada a écrit :
 The metaphor might work (as we already discussed on #fedora-art), but I
 think it should be in apps context which means it needs to have
 isometric perspective.

   
Make sense.
 BTW. Did you start the icon using echo-new-icon to have everything set
 right? I am (almost) unable to check now if it contains apps in document
 metadata description since I'm on CentOS and haven't installed inkscape
 yet.

   
I did. I also added date, creator, keyword. I noticed cc-by-sa-3.0 is
set as well, we should consider
to do the same with icons that were built with old method.

Luya



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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada
On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 11:51 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Martin Sourada a écrit :
  
  Generally looking good, but still needs improvement:
  * 16x16 icon is blurry - display rectangular grid (the
  axonometric grid does not fit with pixel grid) and fix the lines
  with its help

 Fixed.
  * 256x256 should use thinner borders (1 px), preferably
  semi-transparent (I tend to set ~30% opacity) and I think it
  would be better if you separated the volumes there, so you'd
  have actually three cylinders instead of one
  

 Done.
 
 Luya
Seems you accidentally attached preferences-system-bootloader instead...

Martin

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Re: [Echo] New utilities-lvm icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 12:16 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Whoops,
 here is the correct version.
 
 
 Luya

Looking good. No further comments.

Martin

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Re: [Echo] New preferences-system-bootloader icon set draft

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 12:18 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
 Updated version with axonometric perspective.
 
 Luya

The shadow is still using the on-the-table perspective. Also it feels a
little different than other axonometric icons. Perhaps comparison with
some cube-like icon would help to better it.

Also, please use linear gradient for the fill with brighter spots at
top, the radial gradient with dark spot at top does feel strange.

Martin

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-05 Thread Martin Sourada

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 20:21 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 01:08 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
  Martin Sourada a écrit :
   Just a note that Fesco (and many art team members as well) has some
   concerns about coverage. Simply said if we don't achieve the Mist/gnome
   icon themes coverage, we'll be rolled back to Mist and wait for another
   release. 
 
  Well aware which is why extra manpower is need. Two people for iconset
  are just not enough.
  
  Luya
  
 
 
 Would be willing to get involved with the icons, but need mentoring as
 I go along.
 
 Frank
 
Great! We'll help you as much as we can. I am going tomorrow to FUDCon
and I don't whether I'll be on-line, but starting on Sunday I'll be able
to help. Until then you can get familiar with Echo Guidelines [1].

Martin

References:
[1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/Guidelines


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Re: R: Re: Solar round3 first step

2008-09-05 Thread Pavel Shevchuk
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It was in the request... so I made it.
 I think for round 3 we need a really precise format db, with the right size 
 of everything.
 I'm still workin' on what I suppose we need.
 A list is not only required, but needed.

I updated technical info on KDE theming in wiki yesterday. GNOME folks
could do the same ;)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ThemingOverview#KDE_Artwork


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Re: Fedora 10 Art Schedule

2008-09-05 Thread John Poelstra

Nicu Buculei wrote:
We should add somewhere (not sure where, when and how) a decision window 
about the default icon theme: we have to decide if we go with Echo or 
stay with Mist. See this: 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-August/msg00328.html




Has a final date been picked to decide the final theme?  If so, what is it?

Thanks,
john

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