Re: Fedora 10 Art Schedule

2008-09-08 Thread John Poelstra

Nicu Buculei said the following on 09/07/2008 03:35 AM Pacific Time:

John Poelstra wrote:

Has a final date been picked to decide the final theme?  If so, what is
it?



I believe Mo mentioned 21 September as the final date, but don't listen to
me, I am at FUDCon with too much Czech beer...



Update schedule is here: 
http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-10/f-10-art-tasks.html


Let me know if anything else needs fixing.

John

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for
> >> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the
> >> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think
> >> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it
> >> nevertheless.
> >> 
> >
> > Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock
> > symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk
> > stock names are not really legacy.
> >   
> Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch?
> - Andreas


http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-themes-list/2008-June/msg3.html



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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 20:01 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> Matthias Clasen wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:
> >
> >   
> >> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for
> >> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the
> >> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think
> >> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it
> >> nevertheless.
> >> 
> >
> > Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock
> > symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk
> > stock names are not really legacy.
> >   
> Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch?
> - Andreas
> 
http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/rpms/gnome-icon-theme/devel/

Seems like they use custom version of the legacy-icon-mapping.xml.

Martin


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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Andreas Nilsson

Matthias Clasen wrote:

On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:

  

Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for
the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the
icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think
icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it
nevertheless.



Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock
symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk
stock names are not really legacy.
  

Ah, cool! Do you have a url to that patch?
- Andreas

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:01 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> No, there is no plan to do that, and it is not really possible either.
> Those strings are compiled into millions of binaries all over the
> world...
> 
Not sure about that. As long as we keep the symlinks in icon themes, but
change the gtk #definitions, the old applications would still work and
the newly rebuilt ones would follow icon-naming-spec more closely -
which would eventually (after some years probably) practically remove
the need for those symlinks. But I am in no position to tell gtk devs
what they should do, so if you disagree, just ignore my comment, I was
merely interested to know if there are any such plans :)

Martin


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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 11:09 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote:

> 
> Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for
> the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the
> icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think
> icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it
> nevertheless.

Our gnome-icon-theme package has a patch to create the gtk stock
symlinks, even if the other legacy symlinks are left out, since the gtk
stock names are not really legacy.

> Do you know whether gtk guys plan to stick with the current names (like
> gtk-add) or switch to icon-naming-spec (like list-add)?

No, there is no plan to do that, and it is not really possible either.
Those strings are compiled into millions of binaries all over the
world...

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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 09:15 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:35 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
> >   
> >> I'm here... So, I think we need to act quickly to make Echo the default
> >> for the beta, to test the waters before F10. For Gnome, the way to do
> >> that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in
> >> Echo instead of Mist.
> >>
> >> 
> >> b) GTK+ stock icons
> >> 
> > Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to
> > see which are still missing.
> >   
> Here is the list of stock items:
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html
> 
> Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we 
> only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. 

Thats actually a bug, if you ask me. In fact, I've filed one with a .xml
file to use with the icon-naming-utils to create just gtk stock
symlinks, not all the other legacy symlinks.



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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Martin Sourada
On Mon, 2008-09-08 at 09:15 +0200, Andreas Nilsson wrote:
> Here is the list of stock items:
> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html
> 
> Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we 
> only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. So even though 
> some items are the same, there is a bunch of icons in there that are 
> specific to GTK+.
> These are actually used quite a lot in unexpected places, like the 
> games, 3rd party applications etc. so they are quite important.
> - Andreas
> 

Heh, didn't occurred to me that I could check gtk docs :-D Thanks for
the link, seems like many of the stock icons are already in the
icon-naming-spec (though under different names). I think
icon-naming-utils create symlinks for those correctly, but I'll check it
nevertheless.

Do you know whether gtk guys plan to stick with the current names (like
gtk-add) or switch to icon-naming-spec (like list-add)?

Martin


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Re: Good news about Echo

2008-09-08 Thread Andreas Nilsson

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Fri, 2008-09-05 at 09:35 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
  

I'm here... So, I think we need to act quickly to make Echo the default
for the beta, to test the waters before F10. For Gnome, the way to do
that is to change the inheritance of the Fedora icon theme to pull in
Echo instead of Mist.


b) GTK+ stock icons


Not sure about that, I'll probably need to look into gnome-icon-theme to
see which are still missing.
  

Here is the list of stock items:
http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html

Even though the same team drew both GTK+ stock and gnome-icon-theme, we 
only ship icon-naming-spec stuff with gnome-icon-theme. So even though 
some items are the same, there is a bunch of icons in there that are 
specific to GTK+.
These are actually used quite a lot in unexpected places, like the 
games, 3rd party applications etc. so they are quite important.

- Andreas

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