Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin

2008-09-09 Thread Huzaifa Sidhpurwala
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Hi All,
 I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin,
Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know.
Thanks a lot.


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Fedora Art at FUDCon

2008-09-09 Thread Nicu Buculei
As I can't take photos of myself, here is an excellent photo taken by 
Francesco Crippa with Martin and me at FUDCon:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2841971331/

And a couple of photos by me with Martin talking about our projects:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2834913723/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835751382/

Not last, a proof that Martin worked on Echo at the conference: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835749746/
(I also have proof of him drinking *, but I will not shame him right 
now :p )


My recommendation is: if you have the opportunity to meet another 
member(s) of the team, do not hesitate and use it. It was really good time.


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Re: Fedora Art at FUDCon

2008-09-09 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 15:41 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fcrippa/2841971331/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2834913723/
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicubunu/2835751382/
 My recommendation is: if you have the opportunity to meet another 
 member(s) of the team, do not hesitate and use it. It was really good time.
 

I feel old...ish


Frank

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Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

2008-09-09 Thread Samuele Storari
Hi all

I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the 
no-wide Wallpaper.
If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know.

U can find all here.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

As usual let me know ur guest.
Thanks

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Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Máirín Duffy

Hi,

Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure 
before that point the criteria for selection are clear.


Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork 
needed for round 3.


We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic 
requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this 
requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as 
the default.


Some ideas:

- I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people 
involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art 
team is a community effort.


- I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could 
be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could 
be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts.


- We could let FESCO decide.

My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art 
team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in 
this vote - who is active?


We could do:

- anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round 
process
- anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design 
queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the 
fedora 9 release period)
- anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we 
have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts 
still I think)


What do you all think?

~m

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Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended)

2008-09-09 Thread Máirín Duffy

Some feedback on solar thus far:

Samuele Storari wrote:

Hi all

I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the 
no-wide Wallpaper.
If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know.

U can find all here.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar


- Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be 
using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to 
me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere 
without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora.


- the syslinux splash design doesn't seem to feed the feel/mood of the 
rest of the artwork. I think we could make it more photo realistic even 
with the color restrictions.


- the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably 
just a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if 
this kind of theming is possible with the new gdm.


- the design for GRUB is missing.

Thanks,
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Re: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended)

2008-09-09 Thread Martin Sourada

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:30 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 Some feedback on solar thus far:
 
 - Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be 
 using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to 
 me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere 
 without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora.
 
I'd guess these are oxygen icons by the look, which should be fine - we
use them as default in KDE and they have good license.

 - the syslinux splash design doesn't seem to feed the feel/mood of the 
 rest of the artwork. I think we could make it more photo realistic even 
 with the color restrictions.

 - the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably 
 just a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if 
 this kind of theming is possible with the new gdm.
 
I totally agree with those two, but AFAIK, syslinux does not have the
colour restriction GRUB has. The theme is probably for KDM which still
allows it and is IIRC on the KDE Spin ;-)

 - the design for GRUB is missing.
 
I think we could reuse the the syslinux one, only with 16 colours (or
how much it supports).

Personally I think the problem both with syslinux and login window theme
are the dots on background - they are too strong/too contrastive and
does not really fit well with the rest of the theme. The simplified sun
is also questionable, I think it works nice in the firstboot screen, but
nowhere else.

BTW. I liked the syslinux image from Round 2 (I think it's listed as
Anaconda Prompt Screen). I think it would work (after some
simplification) for the colour-limited GRUB as well.

Martin

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R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

2008-09-09 Thread Samuele Storari
Hi Mairin,

The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in 
the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's 
totally open.
I used the Cloud effect

http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/

but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode 
Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license.

For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't 
part of not open material.
So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and 
open source.

:D

Ciao
Samuele


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A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com
Inviato: Martedì, 9 settembre 2008 16:26:47 GMT +01:00 
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Oggetto: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

Hi Samuele,

Samuele Storari wrote:
 Hi all
 
 I've almost done all the requirement for Solar Theme, leftin' me only the 
 no-wide Wallpaper.
 If someone checks other materials leftin me, please, let me know.
 
 U can find all here.
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar

I apologize if you provided this earlier but I didn't see it -

I was wondering if you could provide us the source/attribution info for:

- the moon/planet image
- the aurora image

That are used in the solar wallpaper artwork. I would just like to 
ascertain that the licensing on them is acceptable so if not we have 
time to replace them with sufficiently-licensed work. I know the moon 
image should be easy to replace with a public-domain NASA image. The 
auroras I'm not sure - I tried to recreate them in gimp without much 
success.

I would really appreciate if you could let us know the licenses/sources 
for the above.

Thanks,
~m

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R: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Samuele Storari
Well

I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community.

Why I think that?
Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression, it 
comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate.
I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the keeper 
of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work for all 
them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide.

Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have to 
hear to the voice of the majority.

So this is my opinion.

Free Art - Free World. :D

Ciao
Samuele

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Da: Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com
Inviato: Martedì, 9 settembre 2008 16:36:04 GMT +01:00 
Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Criteria for theme selection

Hi,

Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure 
before that point the criteria for selection are clear.

Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork 
needed for round 3.

We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic 
requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this 
requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as 
the default.

Some ideas:

- I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people 
involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art 
team is a community effort.

- I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could 
be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could 
be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts.

- We could let FESCO decide.

My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art 
team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in 
this vote - who is active?

We could do:

- anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round 
process
- anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design 
queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the 
fedora 9 release period)
- anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we 
have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts 
still I think)

What do you all think?

~m

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Re: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended)

2008-09-09 Thread Nicu Buculei

Martin Sourada wrote:

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 10:30 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:

Some feedback on solar thus far:

- Where did the icons in the firstboot splash come from? We should be 
using gnome-icon-theme or Echo icons ideally. However it's not clear to 
me where this icons came from; we can't be using artwork from elsewhere 
without making sure the license allows it and is appropriate for Fedora.



I'd guess these are oxygen icons by the look, which should be fine - we
use them as default in KDE and they have good license.


But it would make a lot more sense to use Echo or Mist icons, something 
the majority of our users will really see after the install ends.



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Re: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Nicu Buculei

Máirín Duffy wrote:


We could do:

- anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round 
process
- anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design 
queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the 
fedora 9 release period)
- anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we 
have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts 
still I think)


The membership queue is not in a bad shape, its main problem is people 
who did the tasks needed for membership and then went silent.


I think we should be realistic and avoid excessive bureaucracy: I won't, 
and I believe you won't either, compile by hand a huge list of all the 
people who contributed on the wiki, mailing list, git, cvs,  etc. for 
half of a year and compare it with a list of votes (and I don't think we 
can automate this).


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Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

2008-09-09 Thread Máirín Duffy

Samuele Storari wrote:

Hi Mairin,

The aurora U see was for all created by me, in no complex mode, as u can see in 
the source file so u don't have to recreate it cos as I done all by myself it's 
totally open.
I used the Cloud effect

http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/SimulatedFog/

but I color the cloud, and then I distort the cloud, apply the Screen Mode 
Blending layer Effect and that's all, i don't think we need any license.

For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there aren't 
part of not open material.
So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and 
open source.


At least in the round 2 graphic, which i cracked open and played around 
with extensively, there was indeed an image of a moon in one of the 
layers. Where did that image  come from?


~m

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Re: R: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread María Leandro
+1

2008/9/10 Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Well

 I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community.

 Why I think that?
 Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about expression,
 it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to comunicate.
 I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the
 keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work
 for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide.

 Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we have
 to hear to the voice of the majority.

 So this is my opinion.

 Free Art - Free World. :D

 Ciao
 Samuele

 - Messaggio originale -
 Da: Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons,
 themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com
 Inviato: Martedì, 9 settembre 2008 16:36:04 GMT +01:00
 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
 Oggetto: Criteria for theme selection

 Hi,

 Since our deadline to choose a theme is Sep 21 I would like to make sure
 before that point the criteria for selection are clear.

 Our base requirements is that the theme must have all required artwork
 needed for round 3.

 We have not yet had a case where more than one theme met this basic
 requirement. In case we do have multiple themes that meet this
 requirement, we need a fair method to choose which theme is selected as
 the default.

 Some ideas:

 - I believe Nicu suggested at one point that the number of people
 involved in creating the theme should be a selection factor, as the art
 team is a community effort.

 - I think perhaps setting up a vote could also be useful. The vote could
 be restricted to currently-active art team contributors and/or it could
 be opened to the whole set of Fedora accounts.

 - We could let FESCO decide.

 My suggestion is that we have a vote within the set of active Fedora art
 team contributors. The problem is how do we determine who is allowed in
 this vote - who is active?

 We could do:

 - anyone who contributed a theme idea or artwork throughout the 3 round
 process
 - anyone who has contributed a design to the art team (via the design
 queue, echo theme, or art theme process) in the past 6 months (the
 fedora 9 release period)
 - anyone who is in the art group in the account system (i don't think we
 have cleaned this out yet though and there are a few inactive accounts
 still I think)

 What do you all think?

 ~m

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Re: Solar Critique (was Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended)

2008-09-09 Thread Pavel Shevchuk
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 - the background of the login window is too busy/distracting. Probably just
 a nice dark gradient would look nice although I don't even know if this kind
 of theming is possible with the new gdm.

Technically, it's possible to create such KDM theme, except userlist
part. When i was crafting waves theme i couldn't find a way to make
userlist widget background transparent, but probably it's fixed
already, or maybe i could hack KDM source a little bit

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Re: Need a wall paper for Fedora Security Spin

2008-09-09 Thread Mola Pahnadayan

Hi
http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin_001.jpg
http://molaora.com/data/files/Temp/security_spin.jpg

Mola
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Huzaifa Sidhpurwala wrote:

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Hi All,
 I just added a request for a Wall paper for Fedora Security spin,
Just wanted to drop a line to you guys to let you know.
Thanks a lot.


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Re: R: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread María Leandro
at least 30% or 20% should be a community decision... right?

2008/9/10 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Samuele Storari wrote:

 Well

 I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community.

 Why I think that?
 Cos the graphic it's made for all, think about art, think about
 expression, it comes from the inside need of someone to express to other, to
 comunicate.
 I hope we don't think to elevate us over the other people, we aren't the
 keeper of a sort of graphical wisdom, we create for the community, we work
 for all them and I think will be the right thing let the community decide.


 The trouble is that the large community knows little about usability and
 good design. I said it before and I say it again: if we keep a popular vote,
 I bet I storm the results if I propose some softcore anime or a half-nude
 photo of Angelina Jolie.

  Don't forget in first the community have to use what we create, and we
 have to hear to the voice of the majority.


 We usually hear the voice of a loud minority.

  So this is my opinion.

 Free Art - Free World. :D


 And then let's make all our decisions (about defaults, application choices,
 packaging) based on  popular vote.

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introduction

2008-09-09 Thread amrita mukherjee
Hi,
    I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr.
B.C. Roy Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and
presently doing some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be
highly delighted to be a member of this community and contribute some
projects.


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Re: R: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Jeff Spaleta
2008/9/9 María Leandro [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 at least 30% or 20% should be a community decision... right?

Here's my view, as a Board member.  I consider the multiple rounds of
discussion over the themes as a prolonged community decision. The
final artwork decision is a culminating event in a process. Are people
encouraged to participate in the earlier stages of that process as
part of the art team? if they choose not to participate in the
previous rounds do they have the context to make informed decisions at
the final stage?  Have they earned the right to be a part of the final
decision?  I'm not sure they do.

Everything that gets done in Fedora is done by a subset of a larger
community. We don't make it a point to take a community wide poll when
the technical bits need to be updated.
We put the trust and authority to make decisions into the teams
responsible for developing those bits.  And I'm not sure we should
treat the default art work any differently than we treat gdm or the
installer..things which end up making use of the artwork... by opening
up the decision making to a popularity contest.

-jefThat being said... solar better end up being the theme cuz it
makes an awesome tie in to the International Heliophysical Year which
is happening nowspaleta

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Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

2008-09-09 Thread Junior Tomazelli
Congratulations Samuel, our theme is more better then before round.
Continuous our great work.


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Re: introduction

2008-09-09 Thread Junior Tomazelli
welcome.

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Re: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Ian Weller
On Tue, Sep 09, 2008 at 10:36:04AM -0400, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?M=E1ir=EDn_Duffy_ 
wrote:
 What do you all think?

Flip a coin. (kidding)

I don't doubt the existence of at least two of the three remaining
themes, and so I'm glad we're talking about this *now* instead of at the
last minute ;)

I'm personally for a contributor-wide vote on it, using the FAS voting
system (go talk to Nigel Jones), because we want to ask the widest
audience possible, while still keeping the whole process sane and
relatively organized. Or, perhaps even better, take a two-part voting
approach; 50% of the vote allocated to current Art Team members (recent
contributions, 6 months, yada yada) and 50% for the community. I have no
freaking clue how the math for that would work, but I think it would
help alleviate both concerns of 1) some of the general public not
understanding usability (which I think is bunk, but whatever) and 2) not
including the entire community in the process.

To say it in the most crass way possible, it's the best solution to get
community input, while still showing that we can override it if we
really really really want to. It sounds horrible (or at least it does in
my mind), but it's the fairest way, IMHO.

And whatever it comes down to, it's still going to be really hard for me
to choose votes, even if we use Range Voting. Gears is growing on me ;)

/rant

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Re: R: Re: Solar Round 3 - Almost ended

2008-09-09 Thread Máirín Duffy
Hi Samuele,

On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 17:07 +0200, Samuele Storari wrote:
 For the planet as u can see it's all maded by different layer and there 
 aren't part of not open material.
 So don't worry, my works it's made right for their purpose, totally free and 
 open source.

Just to be specific, it's this image I would like a link to the source
work form:

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h58/mairinduffy/solar_moon_image-layer2.png?t=1221015993

It's in layer 2 of the XCF.

~m

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Re: R: Criteria for theme selection

2008-09-09 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Tue, 2008-09-09 at 13:20 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
 María Leandro wrote:
  +1
  
  2008/9/10 Samuele Storari [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  I think the vote will be totally open to the whole community.
 
 Well, I think with a little over a week to go on the final decision, we 
 should maybe limit to art group members for this release, and plan a 
 larger vote for F11. The reason I say this is because we don't really 
 have time to plan for a Fedora-wide vote, and since there's not much 
 time to wait on people to vote and to get the word out, we won't have a 
 good representation of our base in the vote results.
 
 Does that seem fair?

It seems like the right thing, too. I don't think a general vote on the
default theme is a reasonable idea at all. 

Taste is not something that can be decided with simple majority. Voting
for the default theme would pretty much devolve into 'which is the
coolest looking background when glancing at a bunch of screenshots',
which is not at all what a good default theme is about.

This forum is the place for qualified and interested people to work on
the art that makes up the default theme. It should also be the place
where the default theme gets put together. 

If you want to gain more feedback on the drafts you work on, here is a
proposal: next time, package up the remaining candidates in the final
round (at that stage they should all be complete enough for that, I
guess), and ship them with the beta, maybe with some nice paragraph in
the beta release notes pointing at the available candidate themes. 


Matthias



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Re: introduction

2008-09-09 Thread Luya Tshimbalanga
amrita mukherjee a écrit :
 Hi,
 I am Amrita Mukherjee ,currently pursuing B-tech from Dr. B.C. Roy
 Engineering College. I am a member of DGPLUG group and presently doing
 some artwork with the help of inkscape. I would be highly delighted to
 be a member of this community and contribute some projects.

Welcome to Fedora Artwork team,

For the task , you can start working on design services[1]. Since you
know how to use Inkscape you can help to contribute to the development
of Echo icon theme [2] that also includes instruction to easily publish
newly created icon set.

Luya

References:
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[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService
[2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme


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