Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 09:45 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Paul W. Frields ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > > "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other > > fully free software distributions." > > Which means what exactly? 'Unsurpassed' implies a great quantity or > level of something, and I'm not sure 'user experience' is quantified > in that way. > > (Sorry, being nitpicky.) Actually one of that word's meanings is simply to excel, which need not be related to quantity. -- Paul W. Frields gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
William Jon McCann wrote: > Hey, > > On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Matthias Clasen wrote: >>> Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS >>> background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that >>> participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to >>> influence the outcome of the process for the better. >> Sorry, but *not*. >> Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog >> which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either >> fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. >> The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 >> months after publishing. > > Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. > > Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html > > It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 > (and says that you were the author of that section) In either case, I do not remember your being involved in a discussion about it until now. Not six months ago. I think that is why a few of us here are having a hard time even recalling it being posted here. I mean, if I write a document about, I don't know, creating Gimp brushes, and some community somewhere picks up on it, let's say a brushes group on deviant art, and discusses it, that is great. But if I'm not participating directly in that community or even are aware that community is using my document am I really a part of that deviant art brush group? I would think not. But this is a really silly point to argue. So let's talk about your analysis of the document rather than who posted it where and when. I would love to hear more about your takeaways from creating it. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
William Jon McCann wrote: Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 (and says that you were the author of that section) Sorry for that, I forgot about that, I was remembering the post form Planet Gnome and today I searched the list archive only for threads start, not deep into conversation. So sorry, my mistake. At that time I *was* syndicated on planet fedora. Seth Vidal added me on Apr 14. That was before the new account system kicked in or something. Also a little shocking that you consider planet gnome outside your community. I *do* read Planet Gnome almost daily, but I *do not* read Planet KDE or Planet XFCE, Planet Mozilla or Planet OpenOffice.org at all and arguably, they are equally part of the community. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Nicu Buculei ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: >>> We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he >>> most recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the >>> requests are meet with resistance by people like me who does not >>> understand the need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel >>> (or the purpose of still calling it Fedora) >> >> ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what >> people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, >> the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. > > If a spin is geared for games, for example, you think is a good idea for > it to have an inverted GTK+ theme (white on black), a wallpaper that > make your eyes hurt and a general look that does not resemble Fedora at > all? > I think is a bad idea to go for something like > http://ubuntustudio.org/screenshots There's a difference between having somewhat of a 'different look and feel' depending on audience, and something that 'makes your eyes hurt', aside from the subjective taste issues that involves. XO would be a primary example - Sugar's going to have a different look and feel before you even get to any artwork, and Fedora specific artwork may be better off trying to fit into that motif than coercing it to the motif we have now. (Especially if the target audience is a different userbase/age group/whatever.) Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Hey, On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 4:03 AM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: >> >> Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS >> background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that >> participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to >> influence the outcome of the process for the better. > > Sorry, but *not*. > Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog > which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either > fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. > The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 > months after publishing. Just for the record, you are being disingenuous. Matthias mentioned it on this list before I could: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-May/msg00200.html It was even mentioned in the Fedora Weekly News: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue129 (and says that you were the author of that section) At that time I *was* syndicated on planet fedora. Seth Vidal added me on Apr 14. That was before the new account system kicked in or something. Also a little shocking that you consider planet gnome outside your community. Dude, seriously. Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Bill Nottingham wrote: Nicu Buculei said: We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of still calling it Fedora) ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. If a spin is geared for games, for example, you think is a good idea for it to have an inverted GTK+ theme (white on black), a wallpaper that make your eyes hurt and a general look that does not resemble Fedora at all? I think is a bad idea to go for something like http://ubuntustudio.org/screenshots -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request - Closed
I closed the diagram request from Karlie Robinson on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService The zipped files (SVG, AI, EPS, PNG) are found on this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.zip A PNG preview is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:XO_SD_card.png Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
Michael Langlie wrote: Hi Nicu, The files are still there. My site host is having domain problems. I think the URLs posted seem to be up and down depending on which server they are using at any moment. Here are more direct URLs. http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.zip http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.png Now that I can see the files, I agree, they are wonderful. Oh yeah, I meant to ask where people recommend these files go on the wiki. I was spacing out after a long day. Anywhere in particular I should put them? Just upload using the normal upload form https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload and then add a link, maybe also a thumbnail, to Karlie's request https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list (also change the status and add your name as designer) -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Paul W. Frields ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: > "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other > fully free software distributions." Which means what exactly? 'Unsurpassed' implies a great quantity or level of something, and I'm not sure 'user experience' is quantified in that way. (Sorry, being nitpicky.) Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Nicu Buculei ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: >> They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab >> wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't >> (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the >> same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience >> for the latter has never been clearly defined. > > The thing is that we want to make easier for people to "get" Fedora, > with a simplified download page and such, offering as default a single > option and this option is the Desktop spin, effectively making it the > main spin. OK. But even in that case, I'm sure you could see how if the artwork is designed for 'the main spin' for one set of users (such as enthusiasts, whatever that means) and the code is designed for a different set of users (such as general desktop users, whatever that means) that there is inevitably going to be conflicts. > We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most > recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests > are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the > need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of > still calling it Fedora) ... ? Part of the whole purpose is to have different spins for what people want to do with Fedora software, whether it's the Games spin, the Education spin, the XO/Sugar spin. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you. Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
Hi Nicu, The files are still there. My site host is having domain problems. I think the URLs posted seem to be up and down depending on which server they are using at any moment. Here are more direct URLs. http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.zip http://yipyop.tripod.com/blog/XO/XO_SD_card.png Oh yeah, I meant to ask where people recommend these files go on the wiki. I was spacing out after a long day. Anywhere in particular I should put them? Mike - Original Message - From: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Fedora Art List" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:57:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request Michael Langlie wrote: > I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card > insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I > tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text > explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) > > PNG preview: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.png > > SVG, EPS, AI and PNG files: > http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.zip Next time can you host such files in a place where they will be up for more than a few hours? I get "404 Not Found"... fedorapeople.org is a great place for this. Also I advise you post the work in the wiki, to properly close Karlie's request and as a reference for future works. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Hi Kevin, Martin Sourada wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: >> Hi Martin, >> > Hi Máirín, > >> Martin Sourada wrote: >>> If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze >>> break at Friday. >> Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him >> tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few >> more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it >> out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a >> result of preview release feedback. >> >> Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! >> > Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) > and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Matthias Clasen wrote: > Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS > background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that > participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to > influence the outcome of the process for the better. Actually, I would have to say that it was not participating in the process, at least not until two weeks ago. You see, if I didn't read planet GNOME, I never would have seen that document before he posted it to this list two weeks ago. It was posted to his blog months ago and was never shared with this group and the blog never hit planet Fedora. > I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must > end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about the > goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And I > will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, just > as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X on. I don't think anyone takes issue with criticism so let's shelve that point right here. (Although it would be nice if in the cases where it unprofessional, that it could instead be polite and professional.) I think people take issue with the fact that essentially we are hearing, "this doesn't fit with our vision" when there is no way anyone can know of or what that vision is since it's never been articulated anywhere. Also, "I don't like it" (or worse) without any explanation of why. It's nice to know you do not like it but there is not much that can be done to improve it based on "I don't like it." I've taken studio art classes before where the professor laid down ground rules to forbid anyone from saying "I don't like it" without giving at least two specific points of critique to help the person improve their work or at least understand where the critiquer was coming from. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 10:03 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Matthias Clasen wrote: > > > > Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS > > background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that > > participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to > > influence the outcome of the process for the better. > > Sorry, but *not*. > Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog > which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on > either fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the > process. > The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly > 6 months after publishing it. I explicitly said it was not part of your process. But I have pointed to it out repeatedly back in May on this very list. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 09:25:44PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 08:19 +, Jonathan Roberts wrote: > > > PRIMARY TARGET > > > * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and > > >remixers. > > > > > > I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much > > > guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target > > > audience for the Fedora Desktop. > > > > Matthias, > > > > I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue > > with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go > > with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in > > Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted > > software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a > > distribution for your average desktop user. > > > > Yet, the very same document has the following statement, which seems to > be at odds with this assessment: > > User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed. Perhaps that should be amended: "User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience unsurpassed by other fully free software distributions." -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgpvUctT4DroV.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Matthias Clasen wrote: (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. You mean we need to pick our sides, elect speakers and clamp down on dissenters ? No, that's not what I meant. Just that it's useful for individual teams to have a relatively agreed-upon vision of what they want when they start talking to other teams, so that all of the individual conversations that do happen are more or less starting from the same place. There's nothing sinister or anti-community in that, it's just basic common sense and teamwork, IMHO. (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has to end. I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about the goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And I will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, just as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X on. I agree with that. I'd like the conversation to move on to a new topic after 4 releases or arguing about the background. :) --Max ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: > Hi Martin, > Hi Máirín, > Martin Sourada wrote: > > If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze > > break at Friday. > > Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him > tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few > more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it > out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a > result of preview release feedback. > > Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! > Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68083 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 08:13 +, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > > of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to > > (2559,9) > > (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual > > images > > and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). > > That's what I did (can't be too careful - with that process, I can guarantee > that not a single of your pixels was changed, just the missing ones added), I > uploaded the result here (I already ran optipng -o7 on it): > http://repo.calcforge.org/f10/solar-normalish-fixed.tar > > Can I commit and build this into solar-backgrounds? > > Kevin Kofler > Aah, thanks Kevin, good catch! To me it seems your fix is all right. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Max Spevack wrote: (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. We at the Art Team have a documented leadership structure and while we are not exactly one single voice, from my experience, we usually agree on the main points. Bus as we are literally spread all around the world (North America, South America, Europe, India, Asia) is impossible for the team to participate in face to face meetings in other way than using representatives. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Bill Nottingham wrote: They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience for the latter has never been clearly defined. The thing is that we want to make easier for people to "get" Fedora, with a simplified download page and such, offering as default a single option and this option is the Desktop spin, effectively making it the main spin. Since every Fedora inherits from the same package set (which includes artwork), this becomes a sticky wicket - we end up with continual conflict one way or another whenever anyone actually attempts to make a change that is for a particular audience. One example is artwork. Another might be the tty that X starts on, just to pick something out of a hat. I'm not sure what the solution is. Having the art group create different artwork for all the different targets we may serve with our spins? I suspect there's a resource problem there. Moreover, it's not like we fork initscripts for different spins, or desktop packages, etc. We get from time to time requests for such customized artwork, he most recent which come to my mind is the Security spin. Sometime the requests are meet with resistance by people like me who does not understand the need of a Fedora spin with a different look and feel (or the purpose of still calling it Fedora) and sometime they get followed with some artwork. But usually in such cases the artwork is... how I can say in not-offending words? ...less than perfect, since it is developed on a shortcut, not a full process. It may have not the best usability or violate the guidelines (logo usage). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Kevin Kofler chello.at> writes: > of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to (2559,9) > (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual images > and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). That's what I did (can't be too careful - with that process, I can guarantee that not a single of your pixels was changed, just the missing ones added), I uploaded the result here (I already ran optipng -o7 on it): http://repo.calcforge.org/f10/solar-normalish-fixed.tar Can I commit and build this into solar-backgrounds? Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Matthias Clasen wrote: Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to influence the outcome of the process for the better. Sorry, but *not*. Jon wrote that piece half year ago (in May) and published it on his blog which is aggregated *only* on Planet Gnome. He didn't brought it on either fedora-desktop or fedora-art. So I qualify it as outside of the process. The talked here about it for the first time only a few days ago, roughly 6 months after publishing. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
