Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On 04/09/2009 09:09 PM, William Jon McCann wrote: My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. I disagree and the reason is also the transition to GMD. To have it smooth I believe it make a lot of sense to have a similar level of decoration in Plymouth and GDM, have the transition from one to another be just a matter of fade out/fade in for some elements (progress bar/login window). Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, in my opinion. For what its worth, Windows 7 seems to be headed in this direction as well: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/18/engineering-the-windows-7-boot-animation.aspx Does Windows 7 change the screen mode from the boot progress to the login screen to the desktop? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 05:35:48PM -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: > Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more > versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora > logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle > shape. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif > So I'm assuming the idea is to have a progress bar under these? If so, I really like 04. -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgpRzQ6LJi454.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
I like this very much. I would love to boot my machine to that. I will be doing soon :D On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more > versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora > logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle > shape. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif > > > Mike > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mlanglie > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Keiran Smith - Fedora Ambassador / BugZapper - - Free Software Foundation Associate - ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Based on Ray Strode's comments and suggestions, here are a couple more versions where the progress indicator loops before resolving as the Fedora logo. These could also work without using the Fedora logo, just a circle shape. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_04.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_05.gif Mike https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mlanglie ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 03:08:37PM -0400, Ray Strode wrote: > I think this looks really good, too. I like the idea of a minimally themed > or unthemed splash that we can standardize on. > It means we can > > 1) provide a consistent look at boot time from release to release > 2) take the time to polish and evolve one idea > Whole-heartedly agreed. This would be great. :) -- Ian Weller GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 pgprKqTyTNPoB.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hi, > On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use > > the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif > > These look great. I love this simplicity and elegance. And I think > it looks even better than I expected without the Fedora text. I think this looks really good, too. I like the idea of a minimally themed or unthemed splash that we can standardize on. It means we can 1) provide a consistent look at boot time from release to release 2) take the time to polish and evolve one idea > This also gives us a reasonable target for how quickly we should boot. > My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed > boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We > should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the > boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary > since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having > it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process > detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. > > Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, I don't disagree in the mid-to-long run, but realistically people are going to be stuck with 45 - 75 second boots for F11 like they were with F10 and earlier. I feel like while that animation looks really good at the speed shown in the mock up, it won't feel quite right on the vast majority of machines that slow boot times. Unfortunately, I really do think we need a separate progress bar for now. Given we're stuck with slow boot times, I'd propose for F11 we do one of: 1) do the proposed animation in a loop while booting and have a nice looking separate progress bar that's lifetime is the entire boot process or 2) do the proposed animation at the same speed as the mock up at the very tail end of the boot process (the last 10 seconds or whatever) and do a progess bar up until that point. If we know ahead of time that boot up will be fast (remember we record the last boot duration and load it at boot up), then we can just omit the progress bar steps. That way, those users with fast SSD drives or whatever get the best experience even now, and users with slow boot up get an okay experience now and the best experience later when we actually fix boot time. --Ray ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Hey Mike, On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:59 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the > logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif These look great. I love this simplicity and elegance. And I think it looks even better than I expected without the Fedora text. I think I prefer the first slightly more than the second because the second puts too much emphasis on the infinity symbol. This also gives us a reasonable target for how quickly we should boot. My view is that the current trend of highly decorative and themed boot splashes is an artifact of our failure to improve boot times. We should be designing for the case where boot is fairly quick and the boot screens are merely a brief transition to GDM (only necessary since it will be longer than 2 seconds even in the best case). Having it be a distinct and highly decorative stage in the boot process detracts from the overall experience from power-on to desktop. Also, moving away from a traditional progress bar is a good thing, in my opinion. For what its worth, Windows 7 seems to be headed in this direction as well: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/02/18/engineering-the-windows-7-boot-animation.aspx Anyway, I think this is clearly a step in the right direction. Perhaps some of the talented artists on this list can further refine these ideas. But even as they are I think this is an excellent candidate for the default F11 boot splash. Jon PS. It is pretty exciting that in F11 we will have graphical/quiet/smooth/elegant boot on all major platforms for the first time ever. Before any other open source software distribution! As such I think it pays to think carefully about how we present this. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Michael Langlie wrote: > I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. > I feel the versions which use Fedora logo are quite good. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_03.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MikeLanglie > > Mike > > -Alagappan NIT Trichy www.alagappanitsme.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
I added a third version that does not use the Fedora logo or branding. The layered Photoshop files are also zipped and posted on my page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_03.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MikeLanglie Mike - Original Message - From: "Michael Langlie" To: "Fedora Art List" Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
Great work! I like the second with the infinity symbol. 2009/4/8 Michael Langlie > Here are a couple animated GIFs (forgive the glow banding near the end) > demonstrating ideas for a general/non-themed Fedora boot screen. They use > the logo icon as a progress indicator before being applied as branding. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_01.gif > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora_boot_animation_02.gif > > Mike > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/09/2009 12:57 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? Those are absolute minimums. We can accept something lower only if it is vector image. But what could be a recommended rezolution? Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? If we open the gate and announce that widely, I think we will get *a lot* of images, ending with a huge package. IMO we can have two types of criteria to divide the images: - the quality, and I don't mean the *artistic* quality, but technical quality, for images with too much noise, bad focus or exposure, wrong aspect ratio and such; - the subject, someone wanting a nice landscape may not want to endure the download of a lot of flower macros and cute cats. Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. I would like a much lower barrier to entry, having an upload form there the contributor select a file to upload, check a few boxes and fill a few fields with keywords, press a button and is done (that sounds awfully close to a gallery software?). If the barrier is low and contribution easy, I am sure we will get more contributors. Ian's proposal sound better for the packager but somewhat complicated for the contributor. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: > Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: > - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we > talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the > freeze and add a few more later? I think, freeze is irrelevant here. It's highly probable it won't be on any of the official spins, so having the package released at the same day as GA is IMHO fine. > - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum > resolution? > Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? > I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly > flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to > prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). > Cool. I think Mo should have the last word about the deadline, but you can do some work nevertheless, should you have some spare time to do it. Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
I've uploaded on my personal web space a tar.gz archive with pre-redendered images for the english countdown banner: http://pleoni.altervista.org/fedora11-countdown-banner_en.tar.gz The count starts from 46 (f you want to start it in the next days). I'll upload soon the italian version. Thanks to all. -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
