Re: [Round 3] Alternative wallpapers for Sulphuric Waves

[John Baer]

I placed under alternate images on the wiki with a more gaseous view
of Sulphuric Waves for your consideration. It needs work, just a
thought for discussion.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

A Thought About F9 Artwork

[John Baer]

All,

IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste
not to leverage this success in F9.

Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use
the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme?

Presenting the same question a differ way.

Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8
theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? 

Cheers!

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Fedora 8 - Nice Job

[John Baer]

Mo, Nicu, and others,

Just wanted to say "Job Well Done"! IMO Fedora 8 has a tasteful
professional appearance that will be well received.

Cheers,

John



___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora Art Spin Update (Nicu Buculei)

[John Baer]

On Mon, 2007-10-08 at 12:00 -0400, Nicu wrote:
> 
> Mirn Duffy wrote:
> > Nothing too exciting... there's no custom artwork for it, and none
> of 
> > the extra content (brushes, clipart, etc) we'd discussed earlier. I 
> > wanted to follow Nicu's suggestion of just having SOMETHING to
> start 
> > with so I figured getting the apps together would be a good start.
> I 
> > found some interesting ones:
> > 
> > Anything I'm forgetting?
> 
> I have one question: what is *Art*? The spin will focus on graphics
> or 
> on art in general (including audio and video tools)?
> 
> If the later (as I expect), we should include at the minimum some 
> applications as Audacity and Jokosher (better, ask people on 
> Fedora-music-list / Audio Creation SIG for a list of applications).
> 
> -- 
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
> Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
> Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
> my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro

Nicu,

Just in case you have not seen this.

http://linux.startcom.org/

It looks like a multimedia version of Red Hat.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating.

[John Baer]

On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 12:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> John Baer wrote:
> 
> > I find it frustrating working in an environment shadowed by legal
> fine
> > print and constant legal warnings (ie. By hitting Save Changes you
> put
> > your changes under the WikiLicense. If you don't want that, hit
> Cancel
> > to cancel your changes). I have not run across this disclosure on
> any
> > other wiki.
> 
> It is present in many wikis including wikipedia and they have similar 
> rules on using material under various copyright licenses. Go ahead
> and 
> look for yourself. You might find it frustrating but even if you
> ignore 
> the legal sceneario (which you really can't) attribution is
> considered 
> basic courtesy.
> 
> Rahul 

Rahul,

I agree completely!

A topic as important as this may need a wiki page explaining what is
desired and examples of how to meet the desired result. I believe most
of us want to do the right thing but some need a little additional help.

Thank you for your comments,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating.

[John Baer]

On 7/9/07, M?ir??n Duffy wrote:

Even though I am not a lawyer I feel the language is pretty clear. Also,

I do not believe the practice of using other's work without citing it,
even if it's scratch work, in a public forum is really acceptable just
out of respect for other artists, you know? Even here when we build on
each other's work I've noticed we've been very good about stating whose
works we built upon. I think it's a good practice even outside of the
fact that the CLA requires it, honestly.

~m



Ok, fair enough ...

However, how would you or I know if the artwork is original? Is it safe to
assume it is unless otherwise stated?

I would never blast you the way Nicu blasted me, but I assume the photo's on
your submission are yours as you have not made a statement of attribution.

Do you need to? ;)

Finally, wouldn't these rules apply to all forms of artwork?

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

The process is confusing, the red tape frustrating.

[John Baer]

It has been alluded to that in Diana's absence the Art Team would be
tasked with crafting the default artwork for fedora 8.

Nicu indicated in volume 15, issue 49 the fedora leadership supports
this.

http://lwn.net/Articles/237700/

However, Mo seems to disagree with her statements in volume 15, issue
53.

> I have been hesitant to start really driving this because I was hoping
> I could get you all a more firm answer on whether or not the artwork
> would definitely be considered as the default theme. Since I have not
> been able to do that, and we are quickly running out of time, here is
> the one thing I can promise you: I will definitely find a way to
> package and make easily installable at least some of the artwork we
> come up with if it isn't considered for the default artwork. Let's
> just focus on coming up with the best theme we can.

So which way is it? If we are not working on the default why not use
Gnome-Art, Gnome-Look, or KDE-Look for our submissions?

> John Baer wrote:
> > More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative
> commons
> > license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then
> what
> > does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied?
> 
> I'm not a lawyer, but the CLA itself seems to suggest:
> 
> "you may submit it to the Project separately from any Contribution, 
> identifying the complete details of its source and of any license or 
> other restriction"
> 
> which would be pretty much what I was hoping you would be willing to
> do 
> - identify the author and its license, Creative Commons or not.
> 
> ~m

As it turns out I'm not a lawyer either and I don't understand it.

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 Nicu Buculei wrote:

> Ugh, if those are random photos from flickr or such, remove them and
> replace with links? (I think we can't host even CC-BY-SA work in the
> wiki, thumbnails may be fair-use, but not full-size versions)

Ouch, where did this come from?

Yes, some of the source photo's came from flickr. Yes they are all
licensed under the creative commons license. Yes I would give full
credit to the author on any image moving forward. Yes, yes, yes.

Why is this vast source of artistic material considered a bad thing?

I find it frustrating working in an environment shadowed by legal fine
print and constant legal warnings (ie. By hitting Save Changes you put
your changes under the WikiLicense. If you don't want that, hit Cancel
to cancel your changes). I have not run across this disclosure on any
other wiki.

Although I believe the desire is to create an open forum which fosters
the flow creative ideas, this is not working.

John






___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shu

[John Baer]

On Sat, 2007-07-07 at 12:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> John Baer wrote:
> > To the best of my knowledge the photo's I did not personally take
> would 
> > meet the licensing terms of the wiki and open source. I would never 
> > suggest we use someone's effort without their approval.
> 
> If this is true you didn't have to take them down, but you should
> link 
> to the place where you got them with that licensing information.
> 
> Of course you wouldn't suggest using something without someone's 
> approval, but you may want to review the contributor's license
> agreement 
> that you signed back when you were given wiki access, specifically #7:
> 
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal/Licenses/CLA
> 
> ~m
> 
More curious than anything else. If we are Ok with the creative commons
license, http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/ , then what
does #7 of the CLA need in order to be satisfied?

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui

[John Baer]

John Baer wrote:
> Thanks for the comments. At this early stage I just wanted to see which
> style had the most appeal.

Even thought this is the early stages, you still need to respect the
licenses and the rights of the authors of any works you've borrowed that
are not your own. Please attribute these photos to their authors, and
with their license. If their license conflicts with our wiki, please
remove the photos from the wiki and link to them instead. Else, I will
remove the photos from the wiki by next Friday.

We need to be very concerned about licensing issues is all. It's fine to
link to things that are hosted externally as Nicu suggested, but we
shouldn't be lifting photos and uploading them to the wiki without
permission.

~m



To the best of my knowledge the photo's I did not personally take would meet
the licensing terms of the wiki and open source. I would never suggest we
use someone's effort without their approval.

As my desire is not to labor over this issue the photo's from the theme
submission and the wiki are removed.

:(

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: [F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui

[John Baer]

Máirín Duffy wrote:
> John Baer wrote:
>> I placed my initial images for this submission here for your
>> consideration.
>>
>> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui
>
> Can you attribute the authors and licenses of the photos in your
proposal?

Ugh, if those are random photos from flickr or such, remove them and
replace with links? (I think we can't host even CC-BY-SA work in the
wiki, thumbnails may be fair-use, but not full-size versions)

John, I find your page for the Feng Shui proposal a little inconsistent,
you talk about an abstract style and simplicity, provide two such images
and then a few photos, which are not abstract, neither simple. I feel
those may be better suited as distinct proposals (and I find some of
those photos beautiful).

--
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro



Thanks for the comments. At this early stage I just wanted to see which
style had the most appeal.

:)

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

F8 Theme [Other Stuff]

[John Baer]

All,

It is my understanding the re-design of the RHGB is underway. If this is 
true is it possible to have this team included in the loop from an 
artwork prospective?


In addition, if the boot processes is also being re-worked, can the team 
be in the loop for this?


Thanks,

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

[F8 Theme Proposal] Fedora Feng Shui

[John Baer]

All,

Feng shui is the ancient Chinese practice of placement and arrangement 
of space to achieve harmony with the environment. The goal of Fedora 
Feng Shui is to craft Fedora 8 artwork which is harmonious with the 
goals and objectives of the final product.


I placed my initial images for this submission here for your consideration.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/FengShui

As I am unsure of the desire to add or not add branding I omitted all 
fedora branding.


Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora 8 theme (Sounds)

[John Baer]

All,

I put together a wiki page of sounds from the "free sound project" which 
I am currently using with Fedora 7.


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes/GnomeSounds

The main issue I found with Gnome on Fedora is the timing is off for 
some events. For example, in many cases Gnome closes so quickly at 
logout the sound does not have time to play.  IMO some adjustments need 
to be made.


If this is a road the team desires to travel the final product will need 
to be a package. Building packages is something I have not done.


Enjoy!

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora RHGB Remix

[John Baer]

Mark from [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  the only thing i like in that is the change of the spinner.
and even that might not be wist to change because it reminds of the vista
spinner.
your attempt is nice but somehow it doesn`t seem to be a (big) improvement.

  

Mark,

Thanks for the comment. You are correct, the art concept is basically
the same.

Cheers,

John

  2007/6/13, John Baer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  
  
All,

We spoke some time back about providing guidance to folks who desire to
customize Fedora artwork to meet their needs. In an effort to honor that
commitment I created a Wiki page titled Fedora 7 Remix @
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/Fedora7Remix for
your consideration.

I did not remove the *Under development* banner pending your comments
and improvements. Once these pages are complete and if it is the desire
of the team, I suggest a link is placed in Fedora news and a post
submitted to the forum.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list


  
  





___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Fedora RHGB Remix

[John Baer]

All,

We spoke some time back about providing guidance to folks who desire to 
customize Fedora artwork to meet their needs. In an effort to honor that 
commitment I created a Wiki page titled Fedora 7 Remix @ 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/ArtTeamProjects/Fedora7Remix for 
your consideration.


I did not remove the *Under development* banner pending your comments 
and improvements. Once these pages are complete and if it is the desire 
of the team, I suggest a link is placed in Fedora news and a post 
submitted to the forum.


Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: F8 artwork

[John Baer]

All,

+1 to all of the comments on this thread. But we need to get some 
direction from Red Hat as it's my understanding Red Hat is the owner of 
the desktop artwork.


I'm really pleased on how things are coming around as I see the 
preliminary F8 release schedule is already out!


Mo, can you make an inquiry to the Red Hat desktop team as to what their 
desire is?


John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Thanks

[John Baer]

All,

On the eve of the Fedora 7 launch I just want to say thank you to
everyone who contributed to this effort as I say "job well done"!

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora 7 CD Labels & Covers

[John Baer]

On Thu, 2007-05-24 at 12:00 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> 
> In case it's helpful, this is a screenshot of the firefox startpage 
> design i threw together: 
> http://people.redhat.com/duffy/fedora/web/homepage/screenshot.png
> 

Mo,

+1, very nice ...

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

The FUG Pilot

[John Baer]

All,

Some time back I suggested there may be value in creating a web page
which mimics the Firefox default Google page. To test this concept I put
something together a page on a site I titled fedoraUnderground ( fug )
for your consideration.

In addition to quick links to many Fedora sites of interest, the page
hosts a customized Google search (emphasis on fedora) and links to
last-fm, flickr, and youtube.

My thoughts are if folks would spread the word I would track the hits up
to Fc7 release.

http://wiki.fugorg.com/411/

Cheers,

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 61

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:
> Hey everybody,
> 
> I've been interested in playing around with moin for a good while and
> I 
> finally got around to getting my own server up again so I had the
> space 
> and ability to set up my own install to poke around in. So I came up 
> with a Fedora theme for it (I started with cornicen from the moin 
> ThemeMarket [1] as a base): 

+1

Your mockups are awesome. Is this packaged for installation?

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying high theme is garbage!

[John Baer]

On 3/22/07, Andrew Simkovsky wrote:


I normally don't get involved in artwork on Linux, mostly because I'm not
an
artist, and I really don't know what I'm talking about in that area.  But
in
this case I can't sit back and let it happen.



Comments are always welcomed.

The default Fedora theme in FC7 is flat out crap. Balloons??? Why balloons?


:(
In any artwork project it is assumed the end product will not be desired by
all.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/GoalsObjectives

Look at Goal #1

*Enable users of Fedora to enhance its visual appearance to meet their need
or desire.*


I absolutely LOVED the DNA theme in FC6, and now we are going to some
silly
hot air balloon?  That is a little too cutesy for such a serious Linux
distro as Fedora.



How does FC7 with a FC6 theme sound?

Time permitting there should be a variety of "how-to's" on the wiki by FC7
launch describing in detail how to modify the appearance of fedora to your
liking.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora Firefox Start Page

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:

By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page.
Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for
F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.)

+1

Things are piling up anyway. I have FC6 how-to's I want to create and it
looks like we have a mascot to create!

:)

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Fedora Firefox Start Page

[John Baer]

All,

I use the http://www.google.com/firefox page to perform searches using
google and I considered if many others do the same.

Assuming the page receives a lot of hits I thought why not consider a
"Fedora Firefox Start Page"?

I made a rough mock up of the idea for your consideration at my wiki
home page.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer

Your thoughts?

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Mascot

[John Baer]

Nicu,

This item was suggested before and did not proceed IMO because it lacked
sponsorship. With the marketing team as sponsor this could be a chance for
marketing and the artTeam to work together. :)

I see the need for some wiki pages to hold ideas/submissions and someone to
coordinate the effort. Do you have an interest in leading the artTeam on
this one?

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Fedora Artwork Active Contributors

[John Baer]

For those of you who may not have noticed I new wiki page was added by
Luya titled "Fedora Artwork Active Contributors".

Nice job and thanks!

If your name is not on the list and should be please let us know. :)

Luya, I would be happy to add the ArtTeam banner if that is ok?

Again, thank you for putting this together.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007

[John Baer]

Diana,

I changed my music player submission to something more generic. I left the
old submission as it seems to be getting some downloads.

Looks like I didn't catch the subject line on my previous posts. Sorry ...

:)

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:

> I wasn't talking about the phone, I was talking about the tree.

Ok,

I added some blue to my ubuntu tree. lol

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 26

[John Baer]

Diana wrote:
> Just as a note...I'm really not sure how well the ipod and iphone
> will 
> work in legal terms.  So please do not be offended if they are not
> included.
> 

No gPhone, no iPod, no uTree... You guys are no fun at all! lol

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 23

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:
> Maybe try changing the colors so people don't think Ubuntu when they
> see it?

lol, never connected those dots ... A part of me wanted to place some
Fedora branding in the image. The title could change to "fedoraPhone".

Diana, my final effort for this image is at my wiki home page.

:)

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007

[John Baer]

Diana,

I added one more item to the list titled "Gnome Phone". I really like
the idea but it seems to struggle at the 96x96 size. :(

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer

I'll wait to upload this one to gnome-look pending your advice on
improving the smaller image.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007

[John Baer]

Diana,

I put together a few svg submissions for your consideration. You may
view them at my home page.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer

I'll upload to gnome-look to be consistent with the other submissions.
Please feel free to modify these images for the best presentation
possible.

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

[John Baer]

Paul wrote:
> It would be nice if the new pages didn't break all the old links to
> fp.o/wiki/Artwork.  John, can you move these pages to use the existing
> "Artwork" name (without the capital "W")?  Right now, it looks like
> the
> original Artwork page has simply been disintegrated, and any
> contributors trying to reach that page are dumped to the "no such
> page"
> page.  Any other agreeable scheme that you guys like which keeps all
> the
> existing links working within reason is fine, too. 

Corrections in place :)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Request: User Image Submissions - Deadline March 15, 2007

[John Baer]

Diana wrote:


The user submissions, which were originally to be uploaded to
OpenClipArt, are now being relocated to GNOME-look.org. Please note the
change in location and upload information. I've updated my previous blog
post [1] with the relevant information, so please reread and resubmit.
If you've emailed me directly, then I'll just repost your submission. My
apologies for any inconvenience and thank you again for your patience
and participation.

Diana,


Just a point of clarification on image sizes. The target size for face
browser is 96x96px. :)

In addition you would like images scaled down to 48x48px {?} and scaled up
to (192x192, 384x384) {?}.

OR

Would you prefer the svg?

Help?

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Open Palette Wiki

[John Baer]

Nicu,

Did I understand you to say the Open Palette articles could not be
hosted on the wiki.

If this is correct, what is the reason?

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

[John Baer]

All,

IMO we pushed the envelope of wiki design and the result is an
attractive and professional look.

Thanks Nicu for your logo submission. It looks great! I also wanted to
note the logo image is a hot link back to the ArtWork page.

:)

John 

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Request: User Image Submissions

[John Baer]

All,

I created a wiki page from Diana's blog :) for the GDM Login Face
Browsing request.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeamProjects/FaceBrowser

We could post submissions to the wiki prior to sending them to
Gnome-look if that makes sense {?}. 

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

[John Baer]

Dimitris wrote:
> My only comment is to minimize the hard-coded HTML and try to put
> things in CSS
> as much as possible. So, the 8 lines of header-code could possibly
> become:
> 

Dimitris,

I agree but I did not know how to localize a style sheet specifically to
the ArtTeam. Changing the HTML code in one location was not much effort
(and safe). To test the theory I changed to banner to use a submission
from Nicu. :)

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

dJango or Turbo Gears

[John Baer]

All,

Anyone have experience with dJango or Turbo Gears? I was considering
mocking up a Fedora art/gallery site using one of these tools.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

ArtTeam Wiki ReDesign

[John Baer]

All,

I've been working in the wiki over the weekend and posted a few
changes. :)

1. The ArtWork wiki page is now the home of the ArtTeam. However, there
is a design flaw I must point out. The original page and many others
that followed were name "Artwork". This is not a wiki name.

Ref: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiName

Therefore I named the new ArtTeam page "ArtWork" which is a wiki name.
If there is agreement I will go through and correct the other pages.

2. Introduction of wiki themes. I have not seen this done before but I
created a method to theme the ArtTeam wiki (and any other) pages. IMO I
believe the new pages look nice. See this page for the details on how it
is done.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeamProjects/WikiDesign

3. Change to the art work and placement of the image. I had the desire
to use many of the elements found in the fedora community (font & color)
in the ArtTeam header. It's not fancy but IMO it's tasteful and the code
is efficient. If you have a vision please submit it.

4. Some cleanup is needed. 

- We have a duplicate in the FC6 specifications.

- The old Artwork page was renamed to ArtworkDeprecated. Probably should
go.

- Dimitris, I created a new page of "Fedora Colors" (great idea!) using
the ArtTeam theme.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/FedoraColors

If you like it we'll keep it, otherwise we can go with your original.

5. Goals & Objectives. Assuming we are in agreement, the goals and
objectives are located on their own page and are complete.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtWork/GoalsObjectives

6. Things that need attention. The ArtTeamProjects page is very rough. 

- Nicu I was thinking a wiki page should be created for the "Open
Palette" series with links to the appropriate page(s). If you agree do
you want to put something together?

- I will turn my attention to the customizing Fc6 GRUB page.

7. Anything else?

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup

[John Baer]

Paul wrote:
> I don't think this should be in a top-level name space in addition to
> the existing Artwork space.  It should either replace it (and gobble
> up
> any necessary content) or sit below it.  Hierarchy still has a visual
> meaning that will cause this to be confusing to people who search for
> "art." 

Is the desire of the team to replace the content of the ArtWork wiki
page with the content of the ArtTeam wiki page? Do so would remove
ArtTeam from the wiki hierarchy but it would still show up on a search.

If we used "Team" as a subpage the hierarchy would flow like this.

ArtWork(now the team's home page)

ArtWork/Fc6Customizations  (team sub project)

ArtWork/InkscapeTutorials  (team sub project)

ArtWork/Team/GoalsObjectives

ArtWork/Team/Meeting030107


John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:
> (I do not think that putting together an 
> extra theme package for (the artist formerly known as) extras
> requires 
> working with Desktop team at all, although we will need someone with 
> some packaging experience to help us put it together.) 

I was thinking more along a buffet style theme. For example, break down
the artwork of Fedora 6 into the changeable GDM components (ie. grub,
rhgb, login, and wallpaper). Craft a how-to wiki page to describes
how-to build the images and include an optional install script.

Not as automated as a "RPM" package but very flexible (ie. I like grub,
rhgb, but dislike gdm login). For those who desire to build and package
new themes, this info is a good start.

IMO flexibility and freedom of choice is key. I thought I would mock up
a "GRUB" page to see how it plays out.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Getting a better sense of community - gallery based

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> 
> I did more thinking about hosting and aggregating (if we decide to
> run 
> our own gallery):
> 
> - for hosting: not everybody has his own hosting solution, is willing
> to 
> pay for one and all free services are less then perfect. So for those
> in 
> heed a gallery or something provided by Fedora could be very useful.
> 
> - for aggregating only: if we host content, then we probably will
> want 
> to police it, so only aggregation will provide more freedom to the 
> contributors. 

Nicu,

You and Mo have a much better sense of this than I but in my mind if we
don't host our own solution we lose opportunities to "promote Fedora".
By that I mean what if the Fedora gallery became the defacto standard
for the exchange of computer art? :)

I believe the group has the talent and that would be very exciting.

Cheers,

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette

[John Baer]

Mo wrote:
> Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that
> just 
> got published to Red Hat Magazine today:
> 

+1 +1

Wow this is exactly what I hoped would happen. Great work on the
article!

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup

[John Baer]

All,

The ArtTeam mockup is looking too good (thanks Mo) to stay in my SandBox so
I moved it a new home.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ArtTeam

I do not know what url makes the most sense "/wiki/ArtTeam", or
"/wiki/ArtWork/ArtTeam", or "wiki/FedoraTeams/Art"  but in my mind the first
choice was logical.
:)  Please feel free to rename the page.

My desire is to clear the .../SandBox to start mockups for some of the other
pages we discussed.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Project Leads Wanted

[John Baer]

All,

As our agenda begins to shape up please remember "every package has a
maintainer, every project a lead". I request folks who have a strong desire
in an effort consider volunteering as the project lead (you will get lot's
of help). Please state that desire with a post to the list server. :)

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Including the Right People

[John Baer]

All,

I would like to make sure as we move forward that everyone that should be
included is included. We are discussing changing some established processes
and I would regret if these well intentioned discussions were received the
wrong way.

Specifically, I do not know who supports the Fedora forum and/or the Fedora
gallery but can someone touch base with these individuals. Our discussions
are not critical of their excellent work and we need their help going
forward.

Thanks,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

artTeam Liaison Volunteer

[John Baer]

All,

MairinDuffyaka
Mo :) has volunteered to be the artTeam liaison and I believe she is
an
excellent candidate for the position.

I move we accept her offer! If you disagree please state your concerns with
"love" for the teams consideration.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

artTeam Home Page Mockup

[John Baer]

All,

I could not be more delighted by the discussion taking place and I want to
add an additional item to the discussion and that is a mock up of the team
wiki home page.

It currently resides in my personal sandbox but if it this is heading in the
desired direction of the team I would like to move it. Please view this as a
starting point.

Paul, I see you are skilled writer and I would welcome any improvements your
have time to offer (feel free to edit the page).

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer/SandBox

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

The New and Improved Art Team

[John Baer]

All,

On February 13th the Fedora Art Team hit the wall. I realize now it was
inevitable and no one was at fault.

Since that day many team members searched for answers to the questions
"what went wrong" and "why". Dialogs were exchanged in heated and direct
conversations. The smoke from the event must have been black as it
attracted new members who offered their thoughts and comments.

The problem with art is it all about personal taste and perception. I
believe we can all agree the human eye may view something one way and
then see it completely different at another time. I laughed at myself as
I reviewed the images created on the road to February 13th. I stated I
was satisfied with my rc1 only to create something completely different
a few days later.

A short time ago I presented Fedora to a group of IT professionals
steeped in years of effort in the Windows environment. I needed a good
introduction and I wanted to deliver the message Fedora was more than
Linux. To achieve this result I modified the RHGB artwork to boldly
display the word “fedora” and added a subtitle stating “An Open Source
Computing Solution sponsored by Red Hat, Inc”. The audience received the
message.

In the final analysis the Art Team wasn't ready to do business. By that
I mean we did not have well crafted goals and objectives; effective and
efficient outcomes. For the "New and Improved Art Team" I have a few in
mind.

Goal 1

The art team will enable the users of Fedora to enhance its visual
appearance to meet their need or desire.

Objective 1.1

The art team will craft wiki pages describing how to customized the
appearance of Fedora.

Objective 1.2

The art team will evaluate and recommend suitable upstream artwork
packages to be included in the release.

Objective 1.3

The art team will facilitate the exchange of computer art to promote
Fedora to a wider audience.

Objective 1.4

The art team will investigate creating and maintaining a Fedora
sub-forum targeted to the needs of artist. Sticky posts could point back
to the wiki pages created by “objective 1.1”.

Goal 2

Encourage the use of open source products in the creation of art.

Objective 2.1

The art team will investigate the re-design of the Fedora forum gallery
to include a method of image branding such as “made with inkscape”,
“crafted with gimp”. The effort could also consider targeted subsections
for alternative artwork for icons, RHGB, GDM, KDE, and splash screens.

As I look toward the talented artists who submit images to the Fedora
gallery I considered why they were not a part of the mix.  IMO the team
failed to deliver on the open source value of “inclusion – all are
welcomed, encourage others to join”. 

To quote myself, “If we are going to be open source then we need to do
open source”. :)

The words from David and Paul were right on and although I requested an
apology from the Red Hat desktop team the only apology required is my
own. The answers were all around us, all I had to do is see them.
“Promote Fedora to a wider audience” and use “open source values” when
doing open source business. 

I apologize folks for not seeing the obvious.

To wrap up nothing I've stated in this email is cast in stone. Perhaps
they are only starting points; but if team agrees, we have work to do.

I am interested in hearing your thoughts.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Figuring out the mission (Paul W. Frields)

[John Baer]

On 2/22/07, David wrote:


Maybe this write-up by Jef is useful for you to read


https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2007-January/msg00176.html

since I think you're confused about what open source means (you seem to
equate it with democracy). Anyway, I'm going to step out of this thread
for a bit...



David, thank you for the above link. A great read ... and Paul thank you for
your comments.

In my mind I am trying to sort out moving forward in a way that adds value.

Here are my questions.

1. Referencing David's link above, who is our benevolent dictator (my
preference of title would be "Red Hat liaison")? If this is the way we must
travel let's put our cards on the table.

2. Should artwork be centralized or decentralized? By that I mean should the
documentation team come to the art team for art work or just do it? If the
decision is decentralized then the question becomes is there a need for a
art team?

3. If the decision stands that Red Hat will take control of the Fedora
desktop I would argue this should also include icons. IMO icons are too
closely tied to artwork to be be separated and if they are this will be
source of future issues like the one we just experienced.

With these questions answered I can assemble some ideas in a wiki page for
the team to consider. If these questions can not be answered I am at a lost
of what to do next.

More as a BTW, I loaded the latest Ubuntu herd CD to see what's going on
there and I was amused to see some of the artwork considered unworthy for
"dapper" is in the package for "feisty". I can only assume Mark S. realized
his decision to pull artwork from the community was a mistake. Maybe there
is a lesson to be learned . :)

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Figuring out the mission (Paul W. Frields)

[John Baer]

Hello Paul,

The subject of your email is very appropriate but the content really doesn't
shine much light on the issue or provide comfort to the team.

Let me start by stating the obvious. Prior to February 13th the Art Team was
a fully functioning Open Source effort; vibrant, active, and filled with
discussion. Effort in progress was posted to the wiki and feed back was
solicited from the community.

Checking the pulse of the team of late I would say its pretty much flat
lined with little or no activity as a direct result of the actions from Red
Hat.


This decision is based on a number of factors, not the least of which is
the involvement of thorny issues of trademark, branding, and the polish
demands from both inside and outside the Fedora Project.


Why did Red Hat feel the need to steal what we already agreed to give them?

Other than the fact we started earlier, the processed was the same used for
fedora core 6 and to my knowledge a stated concern was never brought
forward. Assuming the above issues are real, why didn't someone from Red Hat
post them to the list server?. Was there really a need to secretly take the
effort of the team off line and continue development behind behind closed
doors?


But unfortunately, we haven't been completely successful, and to make a

long story short, > we've had to concede the default release theme work to
the Desktop group inside Red

Hat.


Is fedora sponsored by Red Hat or owned by Red Hat?

Under what authority does fedora operate and what authority does Red Hat
have over fedora? The decision to pull back the artwork effort was
completely unilateral. The impression I received from folks who occasionally
posted messages to the art team list server was to push the envelope. IMO
the actions of Red Hat in this matter is a direct reflection of the "golden
rule of business". That is to say "he who has the gold, rules".


But the default theme is not all there is to the Artwork project. There

are many things left to > do, including the Echo icon set. Redesign and new
art is needed for the Wiki, infrastructure > applications, the "Some Day
Soon" Plone site, and so forth. In addition, Fedora is not

limited to just the default release art.


+1

Does Red Hat really support open source or is it just lip service?

I agree there is much more to do but the question now becomes why? If open
source doesn't work for fc7 default, why would it work for anything else?
IMO a three alarm fire bell should be sounding loudly across the fedora
community as the message is clearly who will be next?


In addition, Fedora is not limited to just the default release art. As

part of the initiative to

give users the ability to spin their own distributions built on Fedora,

we'd like contributor art > to be able to function as a drop-in RPM package
replacement for the default release art.

Second fiddle has always been a choice.

Users have always had the ability to change artwork to meet their personal
desires. If this was the your reward for the concession then you didn't get
much.


To ensure that I do this as well as possible, and that your ideas are

heard, understood, and > fairly represented, I invite your comments,
criticisms, and ideas.

If you bring a problem to the table, bring a solution.

IMO Paul, the fedora art-team is all but dead unless real changes are made.
Red Hat has not conducted itself with the values of equality, love,
integrity, excellence, inclusion, or teamwork. When this value system breaks
down so does trust.

As far as I know the development of the default artwork continues in a
vacuum and Red Hat should understand the risk of this type of effort.

So here are my suggestions on moving forward.

1. Define in very clear terms what authority Red Hat has over Fedora. Is it
sponsorship or is it ownership?

2. Bring additional structure to the process. I've jotted down my thoughts
here.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer/ArtProcess

3. If fedora is going to be open source then fedora needs to do open source.
Bring the default artwork back to the team and assign Diana as the project
lead. It's always been Diana's call on the default and I would expect that
role to continue.

4. Start rebuilding trust with an apology from the Red Hat desktop team
posted to the list server.

5. Re-craft the art team's default wiki page to better communicate its
purpose and it's relationship to other teams such as marketing and
infrastructure.

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 28

[John Baer]

On 2/16/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Nicu wrote:

Open the PNG with GIMP, save as xpm.gz, test it and tell us if is too

grainy or not :p



Thanks, I can do that ... :)

Personally I would like the GRUB image to have the same blue as the rest

of the graphics (the blue background of RHGB) . I understand it can't be
identical due to technical constraints (14 colors), but it may be as
close as possible.



Some distro's hide the initial kernel load dialog. If that is possible here
the screens would flow from grub to RHGB. On the downside that approach
presents the grub image for  an extended period which may be problematic on
some systems. Otherwise I'm good with a dark blue (RHGB) background. :)


The first boot screen looks very similar to the FC6 screen. I was hoping
> for something different as I believe this screen dates back a few
> versions. In addition, how do you feel about adding "echo" icons to your
> submission?

Indeed, this is a must *if* Echo will be the default icon set, but this
was decided or is still up to discuss?



The "echo" decision is still pending but my suggestion is go ahead and add
them to anaconda no matter the outcome. I assume the current icons are blue
curve but I am not sure.


I noted there is no optional artwork. I assume the decision has been
> made to exclude the splash screen of gimp, open office, gdm, kde, and
> the screen save unlock.

IIRC, the overall opinion was to leave those unmodified.



Ok :(
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Early impressions of Default artwork

[John Baer]

Hello Diana,

Welcome to the Fedora art team. I followed this link from your blog to
your submission.

http://people.redhat.com/dfong/fc7graphics/

As always your work is very nice.

I have a couple of requests.

1. Would you move your work to a wiki page using a format similar to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRc1 ? This page
needs to be a public facing and describes your concept and lays out mock
ups or screen shots of your submission. I see this page being reviewed
by forum members and linked to the "release notes" wiki page referenced
by distrowatch.

2. Would you create a second wiki page similar to
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh which is
intended to be inward facing? This page would hold down-load-able
artwork that can be tested by members. If you have install scripts that
would be nice.

My first question is one of theme design. In my mind I view a theme as a
story board. The images are linked, but they are different. Your
approach seems to be one of image re-use. I noticed the wallpaper image
is the same as the gdm login background. The balloon behind the clouds
image is used in many of the screens. In FC6 I saw the same scenario and
I assumed it was because of the time constraint.

I noticed the RHGB image does not confirm to the design guide. I like
the image but I assume the RHGB maintainer is in agreement to the
change.

Until I can test the GRUB images I always worry about quality. IMO the
FC6 grub image does not display well (very grainy) and my submission was
an attempt to minimize this. There is also the issue of black screen,
blue screen, black screen, blue screen. IMO the current boot process
looks choppy as a result.

The first boot screen looks very similar to the FC6 screen. I was hoping
for something different as I believe this screen dates back a few
versions. In addition, how do you feel about adding "echo" icons to your
submission?

I noted there is no optional artwork. I assume the decision has been
made to exclude the splash screen of gimp, open office, gdm, kde, and
the screen save unlock.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Artwork conversations

[John Baer]

Rahul,

Thank you for responding to this thread. I hope things went well at
FUDCon Boston. 

> Apologies for the long post but this touches a broader topic.
+1

Let me state the problem here is not Diana, the problem here is Fedora.
There was never any question in my mind of Diana's skill but Diana is
not the only person on the planet capable of producing polished Fedora
art. IMO one very talented artist and contributor named Máirín Duffy was
pushed to the side and there are others.

If Fedora is going to be open source then Fedora needs to embrace open
source. The fact Diana was crafting Fedora final artwork off line with
no communication to the team is not open source. It has nothing to do
with polish or talent and has everything to do with equality, integrity,
inclusion, and teamwork. 

I read the slashdot article on Ubuntu and don't attempt to legitimize
Fedora's mistakes with theirs. IMO Mark Shuttleworth does open source
better than anyone and that is why Ubuntu is so popular, but on this
issue he got it completely wrong. If Mark had the time and skill I
believe he would craft the artwork of Ubuntu as the Ubuntu art team had
some of the best talent available. Go to their wiki today and search on
art. I only see one “feisty” page. Go to launchpad and search on art or
“feisty”. Compare that with the effort of “dapper”. These are not the
foot steps Fedora wants to follow.

> Nobody knows all the pieces of the puzzle. We are bound to have
> intermediate failures.
+1

Ok, so how do you make it work? 

> Work as a team : Expect to receive criticism, others to take your 
> work and come up with variations or polish it better
+1

1. First and foremost Fedora has to decide to practice what it preaches.
If Diana is not on our team and we are not on hers, this will never
work. 

Use the tools of love, equality, integrity, inclusion, and teamwork to
empower team members. I believe we are all mature enough to know our
limits but that does not mean we can not contribute in a meaningful way.
If the bar has to be high, define clearly what high means.

2. Everyone needs to be working with the same information. Although
Diana's artwork guide was very helpful I noticed her artwork does not
conform to the guide. I'm not saying her art won't work but plainly
things changed and we were not kept in the loop. This is not a talent
issue this is a "Fedora's commitment to the team" issue.

3. Publish a schedule which clearly defines what is due and when. The
Ubuntu schedule (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule) notes
the deadlines for artwork as well as upstream projects. IMO this can be
vastly improved but it is way more than what we were given. At this
moment I honestly do not know when artwork will make it into the mix.
I'm guessing RC2 or RC3?

Not only should Fedora be able to provide us with a release schedule for
version 7, but a schedule for version 8. I realize things change but the
process is the same.

Finally Rahul here are the disappointments. 

1. It is obvious the intent from the very beginning was to have Diana
produce the final artwork. Why wasn't that stated plainly and clearly?
Will that always be the case? What is the intent for “echo”? What about
artwork for the doc team?

2. I do not know what tools Diana uses to create her images but many
professional artists use Adobe on Apple or similar product on Windows. I
have had this discussion with Diana and agree it's not the end of the
world if the images for Fedora come from one of these platforms, but
wouldn't it be nice if Fedora made a statement with it's head held high
and showed the world what can be done with open source software. The
Team said yes, what does Fedora say?

So there you have it Rahul. The problem has little to do with artwork
and everything to do with process.

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source

[John Baer]

Uno  wrote:



Unfortunately I don't agree with you. Diana seam to be a fine artist,
you are right in that. The problem is, that it takes more than being a
fine artist to make a good desktop theme. In fact being a  fine artist
may even be a problem as most good art is about making a statement,
while creating a desktop theme is more like making visual elevator music.
It should be there, it should look reasonably  good  but not draw too
much attention or create any major mood swings of the observer, it
should help the user find  the way in the system.




I am in agreement Diana is an excellent artist, as is Mo, and others but the
breakdown here is the process. Open Source is a community, a team, a
gathering of folks with a common desire. In FC6 the deadlines came quick and
in all honesty there was really no other choice but to turn it all over to
Diana and Mola and cross our fingers. To their credit it worked out, but
that is not the Open Source process.



The balance between
being dull and very good is very delicate.



In addition to the above comment it is important to note "quality" of the
artwork does not equal acceptance. IMO acceptance comes when the message of
the image is received and it's intent is understood. I worry when to the
word "polish" becomes the yardstick of acceptance as I don't know how to
qualify it. We discussed months earlier how wonderful it would be to create
FC7 artwork using open source products to show case of how well they work.
Is the "polish" achieved from the hand of a professional artist using Adobe
or Bryce more important than this?

To our credit this go-around we started early and there was lots of dialog
and "inclusion" (an open source value). We had buy-in from the team but it's
doesn't look like we had buy-in from fedora. :(

My frustration is here we are again. RC1 is behind us and all we have is a
list of suggestions for Fedora to develop (no Diana wiki page, no forum
posts, nothing). Other than the images on Diana's personal blog, I don't
have a clue what the vision of the default product is and RC2 is coming the
27th.

In my previous posts I did not intend to sound sour on "echo". I like
"echo". On my rc1 wiki page you will notice all of the icons I could change
have been changed to "echo". My suggestion was going to be FC7 artwork
should use "echo" even if the icons don't make FC7. I am in agreement "echo"
needs to work as well for KDE as it does for GDM.

Finally, based on the info of the theme wiki page we are technically at
round 3 and the team has completed its effort and again I say to those who
contributed with art and/or comments "job well done".

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> Ok, I hope I qualify as "someone".
> I directed you some days ago at http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=57
> Development on the Fedora 7 theme is ongoing but not on this list but 
> behind some closed doors and we are not invited to the party.
> 

This is truly a sad day for Fedora and a disappointment for the
community of Open Source.

If Fedora did not want our help simply state it, close down the list
server, call it good. Diana certainly has the skill and talent to do the
artwork and obviously doesn't need our help.

Letting this sham go on for months while folks invest their time and
honest effort is completely contrary to the spirit of open source. 

To add insult to injury all of the time we are working on artwork Fedora
launches "echo" in RC1 although the decision on artwork is pending and
many would agree the "echo" project is incomplete and not tested. 

It sounds to me there are personal agendas playing out and those agendas
have nothing to do with open source and the community of fedora.

At this point the only thing left to do is make up excuses and assign
blame.

Pity,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Houston, do we have a problem?

[John Baer]

All,

On this day I am reminded of one of my favorite movies Apollo 13. What a
classic example of what can be accomplished when folks simply decide to work
together to accomplish a well defined task.

With that thought in mind let me offer my thanks to Ben, Jiri (JJM), Mo, and
others for taking the time and effort to submit artwork for fedora 7. In the
spirit of Open Source this is truly what it is all about.

As communication from "fedora" has been intermittent of late, I now concern
there is a problem. Diana, Rahul, David, or someone {?}, can you explain
clearly how the "default" artwork will make it into fedora 7. Next steps
would also be helpful.

Thanks,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7 - Rc1

[John Baer]

All,

As we arrive at our deadline of February 12th I posted my latest
submissions to a new wiki page titled rc1.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRc1

IMO this theme represents Fedora well and if selected will be well
received.

Thanks everyone for your support and help.

Cheers,

John


___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

Uno,

I uploaded a new GDM login submission to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2?action=show

for your consideration. I borrowed the wallpaper image, removed the
balloons, and darken the clouds to provide a transition from the RHGB to the
wallpaper. After thinking about it I would like to keep the *login* widget
as I re-use it in the ScreenSaver unlock graphic.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

Uno wrote:
> Now it would be nice if the lighter blue color of the "Clouds"
> wallpaper 
> could rub off on other
> parts of the GUI, e.g. such as login screen.
> 

Now that I have a revised RHGB submission in place I can take some time
to look at the GDM login. I am unclear of your vision but I believe you
want something like the GDM login at this link.

http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter/1229

Is this correct? If not, can you point me toward something to help me
see your desire.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 (2)

[John Baer]

All,

I realize there is already a post in the que but I made some minor
improvements to the RHGB Mockup submission and re-uploaded it to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

I couldn't find my notes on the current RHGB colors so I made my best
guess. 

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

I posted a new RHGB-Mockup submission for your consideration.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

The colors are those currently in use (could be something different) and the
artwork is *technical* with a hint of 3-D. I also experimented with the
Fedora branding in the lower right corner.

I will install it on a couple of different systems to see how it plays out.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Unfavorable Distro-Watch Report

[John Baer]

On 2/6/07, Luya wrote:



Bah, this is only a test release intended to retrieve more bugs as
possible. I
have learn to take negative review as a way to improve the distribution.
Contributions now know the weak point too fix.



Bah?

The problem with a review is you don't know who will read it. Perhaps
potential new Fedora user who will now look for something better. Worst,
some may decide FC7 is not worth testing.
:(



> I was not aware the decision on the icon set had been made. Is *echo*
really
> ready for prime time?

*rant on *
I participated to the inclusion of echo-icon-theme on rawhide by default.
As
David indicated, it was on October that the decision was made and I put
the
announcement for the availability of echo-icon-them on Rawhide. For what I
observe on several forum, users welcome the change of icons. Despite the
heavy
schedule (real life sucks sometime), I do my best to work hard to the
development of echo. New icons are available but xml list needs to be
updated.
Sources to modify the icons are available : SVG. I am not sure what else
is
missing for further push the development. *rant off*



Based on the above comment, I am assuming you are the owner of this effort.
I did not know that. I quickly searched the wiki and the only *echo* page
which displayed your name was *EchoProblem*.  If you are not the owner, who
is?

I really wonder if Mairin departure from leadership to the development of

GNOME
really impact some people here. Perhaps we need that.



As I stated before, creating an icon theme IMO is a huge effort. Information
should be flowing on a very regular bases communicating (listserv, forum,
irc) it's status and direction. The owner is the advocate of the effort and
assumes this responsibility.

In conclusion, my concern is the number of missing icons I see on the *echo*
wiki page.  If the artwork is missing or substituted, a bugzillia report
will not be of much help.

However, if *echo* is ready and others agree then let's proceed on.

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> I find it unbalanced: the clouds look very realistic (and very good)
> but 
> the balloons look very minimal.
> 
Yep, that was the plan. The balloons are actually from JJM. :)

> I am right when I say the light sources are inconsistent? on the
> clouds 
> it appears to come from left and on the balloons it appears to come
> from 
> right.
> 
You are correct. I wanted the upper left to be dark to enhance the
contrast of the icons. I wanted to lower right to be dark to enhance to
the *fedora branding*. Although inconsistent, IMO it still works.

> Are you sure you used the wordmark correctly? It seems to have an 
> incorrect thickness of the font. 

The font is correct but a slight shading was added to the bottom.

Thank you for your observations,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 11, Issue 7

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> Before considering something *the* Fedora 7 wallpaper I would suggest 
> you to read Diana's blog: http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=57 

Thank you for the info. Before preview 1 I was in agreement with Diana's
post but now I believe the last thing folks want to see is a hot air
balloon floating over a landscape.

My concern is time is running out and there is much to accomplish. I
realize no matter which design is chosen for the FC7 there will be some
who will desire something different.

My desire is to have *Flying High* as complete as it can be by the
12th. 

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Unfavorable Distro-Watch Report

[John Baer]

All,

I was distrubed to read today's Distro-Watch report on Fedora 7 RC1.
Although much of what they had to say is off topic I was surprised by this
comment.

"(and yes, there are some positives, such as the installable live CD for the
i386 systems or the beautiful new icon set)"

I was not aware the decision on the icon set had been made. Is *echo* really
ready for prime time?

It would be nice to get a little feed back on what's going on.

:(

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 (final wallpaper)

[John Baer]

All,

IMO the wallpaper titled *clouds* submitted 02/04 should be the FC7
wallpaper. It's light, airy, and rich in fedora blue with a hint of red hat
red. :)

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

I installed this background on LCD and CRT systems and it displays well. In
addition, I tested against a variety of GDM themes including the new beryl
3D themes and it displays well and last I used a variety of icon themes and
it displays well.

At this point I would like to re-focus my attention on the RHGB artwork. My
thoughts are to apply the *technical drawing* perspective.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

I hope I am not wallpapering all of you to death but IMO it is critical
to get the wall paper correct. Struggling with the direction *monolith*
idea I decided to try something from my original thoughts and the hot
air balloons in the clouds.

Given the chance to start over I also decided to *lighten* the colors as
requested early on. The theme is not a bold as the *monolith* thread but
it works.

I welcome your comments.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Cheers,

John



___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

Still trying to stay 3-D and bold, I posted a new wallpaper with no
monolith for your consideration. Let me know your thoughts and thank you
for your comments.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Cheers,

John



___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7 - More

[John Baer]

All,

Added a RHGB screen to match *more 3d* wallpaper.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7 - More 3D

[John Baer]

Posted a revised wallpaper to the white board with more 3d elements.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

+1 or -1

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Icons for FC7

[John Baer]

I changed the subject of this thread as it seems to be heading in a new
direction. :)

Nicu wrote:


John Baer wrote:
> Nicu wrote:
>> Each time this came into discuss, the majority of *contributors*
>> opted
>> for a personalized icon theme and were against using Tango directly
>> as-is, use at least a variant of Tango (as Mairin replied).
>
> +1
>
> This is exactly what I suggest. In fact I am using a modified Tango icon
> set on my computer and by changing the *folder* icon the presentation is
> completely changed.

Back when we were talking about Bluecurve I proposed to refresh it by
changing a few very visible icons, starting with the folder. So we are
in agreement here.

> I placed an example titled *Fedora Folders* here.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer

Sorry, but this is the Vista folder icon. If we change the folder icon
it should remain consistent with the rest of the theme: perspective,
colors, outline, highlight, shadow.

--
nicu



+1

The folders I posted were simply examples and was not meant to be a
submission. :)

If the team is in agreement and there is time to accomplish this for FC7 the
first decision to agree to is the base theme. The two mentioned are Tango
and Bluecurve. Are there others?

The second decision the team needs to agree on are the icons to be
*refreshed*. IMO less is more.

Last, what is the deadline.

IMO this effort is not an attempt to change any of the current development
of *echo* but rather provides additional time to grow and mature the
project.

Does anyone know why we shouldn't go forward with this?

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: FC7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> Each time this came into discuss, the majority of *contributors*
> opted 
> for a personalized icon theme and were against using Tango directly 
> as-is, use at least a variant of Tango (as Mairin replied). 

+1

This is exactly what I suggest. In fact I am using a modified Tango icon
set on my computer and by changing the *folder* icon the presentation is
completely changed.

I placed an example titled *Fedora Folders* here.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JohnBaer

IMO this makes a lot of sense.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

KDE Themes

[John Baer]

Chitlesh wrote:
> However, outside the normal parameters, I'll would like to see some
> Fedora Artwork members theming Fedora KDE :) Is there someone around ?
> I'm horrible at drawing, however, I could be useful for testing those
> themes on Fedora KDE :) 

My understanding is GDM and KDE are to use the same theme to greatest
extent possible.

That said, one difference is the splash screen and I crafted a different
splash screens for each in Flying High.

There was also some talk earlier about including the Moodin engine for
KDE but I do not know the status of that decision.

Is there something specific you would like to see?

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Preview2 Posted to Fedora Focus

[John Baer]

All,

I posted a *Preview2* poll to the Fedora Focus forum for community feedback.
The poll is set to expire on 2/12.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Plymouth: The next generation RHGB

[John Baer]

I noticed this post in Fedora News. Is this targeted to FC7?

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

FC7ThemeProposalEnergyInterferences

[John Baer]

On Tue, 2007-01-30 at 12:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Hi all, any new designs added.

Nice work ...

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High Preview 2 Started

[John Baer]

Dimitris Glezos wrote:

I liked the idea of the blueprint drawings (technical) for the
installation. It
felt as if they were professional, but the actual product isn't built yet.
The
blueprints put the user into the idea that he himself is building the
system and
is kind of anticipating.

What would really be great is to see the drawings get more complete and
sophisticated with the progress of the installation. So at the end of it
(the
Congratulations screen) the graphics will be pixel-perfect.

So, here's an idea: why don't we contact the maintainers of Anaconda
(Jeremy
Katz?) and see if we could find a way to change the graphics used in the
installation as the progress goes on?



There are eight menu choices on the First Boot screen. If it were me I would
allow for eight predefined images and if any were missing use the first.
I'll send Jeremy an email for his advice.

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Where are we?

[John Baer]

Rahul wrote:
> 
> Should we have IRC weekly meetings to discuss changes and monitor 
> progress in #fedora-art channel? I can lead that discussion for a
> while 
> if that is useful.

Not a bad idea if a time can be agreed to.

> 
> Otherwise, I have some questions:
> 
> * Have we decided a default theme for the different spins in Fedora 7 
> release. The desktop spin for Fedora 7 is scheduled to be released
> soon 

I do not know who or how the default theme is selected. I put forth my
best effort to prepare the *flying high* theme for consideration and if
this is the theme to be used I would have no problem having it ready for
the scheduled released dates. If *flying high* is not the candidate, IMO
there is much work needed as the other themes are missing artwork.

> and we are pretty much on the conceptual stage now. Before we put a 
> theme into the distribution, we would probably need much more polish. 
> See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule.
> 

Based on Diana's guide, I believe all of the pieces are available for
viewing at this wiki site.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview2

> * How much more work does it to make the Echo icon theme complete in 
> some form? 

> Does echo work with KDE, XFCE etc and can be the KDE or 
> applications written in a non-GTK toolkit work with echo properly? Is 
> that planned to be done for the general release of Fedora 7?
> 

I do not know the status of the *echo icon theme* but based on the
number of bug reports submitted against the ubuntu dapper icon theme, it
sounds like this type of effort needs extensive testing. 

> 
> * Do we want a unified look and feel between GNOME and KDE? There are 
> themes like Qtcurve we might adopt.
> 

I am in agreement with a unified look and for the most part the *flying
high* theme plays well for Gnome and KDE. I did not test against XFCE.
IMO the artwork should be theme transparent as much as possible. I
tested *flying high* against beryl, cario, blue curve, and murrina.
However, a decision on the default desktop theme would be helpful.

There was some discussion on an earlier thread the KDE login manager may
be changed and if that is true the details of what that means from an
artwork perspective needs to be discussed.

> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492
> 
> KDE folks are looking at installing gtk-qt-engine and kmenu-gnome for 
> the KDE spin in Fedora 7. Do we intend to install the engine and the 
> complimentary GNOME menu extended for the Desktop spin?
> 
> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31033
> 

Based on a post by Mo to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes
the next deadline we are shooting for is the 12th of February. Based on
the release schedule, RC1 is due on 27th of February (15 days later). I
do not know when new artwork should be included in the release cycle but
IMO sooner is better than later. If later is the decision, we can
continue to post previews to the forum.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 27

[John Baer]

Uno Engborg wrote:
> What annoys me in the current version is the white f  in the center
> just 
> above the white cloud. It draws my eyes like a magnet and should
> be toned down or removed.  To get the desktop a little ligter you
> could 
> try to use the dark blue of the almost invisible filled ballon over
> the  annoying white f as overall background color.

Uno,

Your point about the *f* logo is well taken and thank you. I posted a
new GDM wallpaper without the logo for your consideration.

For comparison, I did not change the KDE wallpaper screen shot.

Regards,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High Preview 2 Started

[John Baer]

All,

The primary design element of the Flying High theme is the hot air balloon
but I did not want to use the same graphic element over and over. To keep
the process fresh at every level I added the *technical drawing* perspective
to the anaconda pages.

The cross over to *monolith* occurs with the "First Boot" screen(s) with the
inclusion of the *technical drawing* with no balloon (Fedora 7) and the
*monolith* (represented by the left panel) including smoke and balloon
branding.

The *monolith* perspective is my attempt to present Fedora as strong, solid,
and reliable (there is no hidden meaning) and to add a touch of bold. The
primary design element is brought forward simply as a brand on the surface.
The smoke element at the bottom is my attempt to add 3-D to the design
(current FC6 design and liked by many). Adding Fedora to the lower right is
to add balance to the icons in the upper left. In addition, the upper left
is darken a bit to provide strong contrast to the icons and their captions.
[ I didn't want them to become lost in all the Fedora fodder floating
around. :) ]

In all honesty I do not know how to address the general darkness of the
wallpaper. As the current Fedora theme is dark and I believe it was well
received, I hope darkness will not be an issue.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High Preview 2 Started

[John Baer]

On 1/26/07, Nicu wrote:

Well, Red Hat/Fedora have *major* contributions to GNOME, OpenOffice.org

   and OOo in Fedora is very different compared with the one from Sun.

--
nicu



+1

Uno,

My primary goal is to present to the user the best possible computing
experience. Some earlier threads have argued splash screen modification is
not required as Fedora loads these two applications very quickly. In most
cases this is true. However, I do not want to assume this is true for
everyone in every case.

As to the concern of "hi jacking" their effort. I hope the communities of
OpenOffice and Gimp would be flattered by the effort and appreciate our
intent to present their products in the best possible light.

The down side is midstream version changes. I believe we are ok on this.

Thank you for the comments,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

GDM Screen Saver Unlock Help

[John Baer]

I would like to test the Flying High screen saver unlock graphic and need
some assistance. I know where the image needs to be placed but don't recall
the steps to tell Gnome to use it.

Thanks,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High Preview 2 Started

[John Baer]

All,

I started a Preview 2 wiki page with revised images which I hope addresses
many of the comments from the forum poll. The end tally was 96 responses and
the  vote was split 50/50 between "Ok or great" and "Not for me".

The things I believe the folks who voted "not for me" were looking for are
as follows ...

1. A 3-D'ish design (many liked FC6)

2. More polish

In addition, I read between the lines (my perception only) many of the "not
for me" folks were looking for a bolder statement. They were not thrilled by
the flat wallpaper (too conservative).

Some asked what the default icon theme was going to be as they picked up on
the tango icons used in the mock ups. I assume the status quot (?).

One issue I did not address in preview 2 is the dark color (About the same
as FC6). Although it was not my intent to go dark blue it is just how it
worked out as I needed something dark to paint the clouds mist against. On
the computers I tested (CRT & LCD), the color works well.

At this point I need guidance in any additional changes to be made. All
suggestions and/or comments are welcomed.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview2

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Branding Wallpaper

[John Baer]

On Wed, 2007-01-24 at 12:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> This also would need an xfce (and others which may be inclulded with
> Extras) wallpaper with each release. Also, more and more screen
> sizes... it gets too complex when desktops are brought in.

Ben,

Good point. I agree this is the best approach.

Thanks,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Inkscape 0.45pre1

[John Baer]

Luya wrote:
> For people too lazy to rebuild Inkscape 0.45pre1, Fedora version is
> available on

Luya,

Thanks ...

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Branding Wallpaper

[John Baer]

Rahul wrote:
> Limited or subtle Fedora branding that aligns itself well with the 
> overall theme is ok. KDE/GNOME branding is complete overkill to be
> there 
> by default.

All,

As suggested I removed the GDM/KDE branding from the "Monolith"
wallpaper. I left the "Fedora" branding in the lower right hand corner
to balance the default icon placement in the upper right hand corner. :)

In addition, I added a "Monolith" RHGB mock up screen for your
consideration.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Branding Wallpaper

[John Baer]

Nicu wrote:
> I think this is excessive and unneeded branding: both for Fedora and
> the 
> Desktop Environment. 

Nicu,

Would your preference be no GDM/KDE branding but keep the fedora
branding. Or... would you prefer all branding removed?

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Branding Wallpaper

[John Baer]

In the past the wallpaper for Fedora GDM and KDE have been the same. IMO
we should pay tribute to these two successful open source projects by
branding the fedora wallpaper respectively.

Please refer to the following link.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

"Borealis" Theme

[John Baer]

Joachim Frieben wrote:
> 
> That's really bad news. Well, it would be nice from you to push the
> "Borealis" theme though for inclusion into Fedora [.. in my eyes still
> the best suggestion for F7 until now].
> 

Joachim and Others,

Without a doubt Mo is very talented and the "Borealis" theme is an
excellent submission.

I do not understand the intent of the words "push it though" but I
encourage someone to complete the work Mo has begun. Express your
passion with your contribution. The word team by definition implies a
body greater than one and I know there are others.

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 10, Issue 20

[John Baer]

On Sat, 2007-01-20 at 12:00 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Hey folks,
> 
> I will be stepping away from the Fedora Art Team for now in order to
> focus my efforts on upstream GNOME projects.
> 
> ~m 

Mo,

That is great news. The wonderful thing about open source development is
the ability to check in and check out as the need arises. I look forward
to seeing the results of your gnome efforts as they have always been top
notch.

Best of luck,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

I uploaded a new wallpaper for your consideration titled "Monolith".

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

Broke away from the day-to-day to check out Las Vagas last week. Lot's
of stuff going on there!

I posted a new wallpaper submission for your consideration which is more
surreal than the previous. I call it "The Wall".

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

Note: The image is really a screen shot which I believe best shows the
concept.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7

[John Baer]

All,

I posted my completed GDM login package to

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2

for your consideration.

The image is an actual screenshot from an Xnest session! To install,
download the tar file, expand its contents, and run as root in a
terminal session the script inst-gdm.sh

Then, from Gnome go to System > Administration > Login Screen and select
FlyingHigh from the list.

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 Preview

[John Baer]

Leo wrote:
> Is it bluecurve? See,
> 
> ,
> | * Mirn Duffy (2007-01-05 15:22 -0500) said:
> | > Andy cleaned up a bunch of the Bluecurve icon sheets a while back,
> | > converting them to SVG and making it so that they'll open up in
> | > Inkscape. You might find them useful - they're available at:
> | >
> | > http://people.redhat.com/duffy/icons/icon_pngs_svgs/bluecurve.zip
> ` 

Leo,

Thanks for the info. I downloaded the bluecurve.zip file and unzipped
it's contents. But when I go to that folder Nautilus crashes.

:(

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 Preview

[John Baer]

Nicu,

I believe we are in agreement on the direction of the artwork and
referencing your Fedora page as testimony, some very nice 3D'ish things
can be done with inkscape/gimp.

I'm currently working on the GDM login package and I have the xml file
roughed out. I am now in search of svg versions of the icon set used in
FC6.

Are these available?

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 Preview

[John Baer]

All,

I uploaded my entire project to 

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh

Look to the bottom under the title "All project files".

:)

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 Preview

[John Baer]

All,

Thank you for your comments.

Mo, as suggested I will bundle the svgs ...

I am in agreement the 3D approach is what forum folks generally like and
I would guess a "blender" theme would be very well received.

Unfortunately, I do not know Blender :(.

>From my efforts I was looking for a theme which works at home and the
office. IMO the office part of the equation tends to be more
conservative. You probably won't see a graphic of a woman dressed in a
bikini with a fedora logo at work. Although I believe I saw several on
the wallpaper section of the forum :).

When I looked to other successful products and I didn't see any with
strong 3D based themes. I consulted with my colleagues and they advised
the background screen needs to be more than flashy, it needs to be
something a person can look at all day, every day. Busy complex images
are hard to view for long periods of time.

In addition, I understand the point relative to the logo but if this
theme is to go forward, IMO Red Hat/Fedora will need to agree to some
latitude. If the decision is strict adherence to the logo guide lines
all of the submissions are in trouble.

I set the poll up for two weeks and at this point I want to step back
and take a break. Just for fun I would like to code the GDM login page
as I have most everything else installed on my computer.

Creating a 3D fork isn't a bad idea. Mola, maybe you can work your magic
with Blender.

Again, thank you.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Here comes the hard part

[John Baer]

All,

I posted a thread to the forum The Community
Lounge >
Fedora Focus  directing
folks to the "Flying High" preview.

http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=143866

Please feel free to expand the scope of this post to those desired.
Admittedly, there is more that could be done to this theme but IMO it is
close enough for review. David, I hope the preview provides the information
that you, your colleagues, and other interested parties need to visualize
how Fedora Core 7 would look like.

Here's what I want to realize from this effort.

1. Reality Check.

The poll is a simple yes, can't decide, or no (much like a thumbs up or
thumbs down); hopefully the details will come in the replies. Much like the
stock market where volume is just as important as direction, a high volume
return of "no" would suggest do something else. Low volume anything would
suggest we are using the wrong tool.

2. Inclusion.

Although not easy, inclusion is important and hopefully the fedora community
will feel included by this exercise.

3. Future direction.

If the results suggest further refinements, the direction of those
refinements will be something open to discussion.

For me this is a win - win as the real goal of all of this is to promote
fedora to a wider audience.

Cheers,

John
___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list

Flying High with Fedora 7 Preview

[John Baer]

All,

I am ready for additional comments on this theme and would like to post
a request for feedback on the forum.

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview

Does anyone have an objection?

In addition, I posted all of the svg's and install scripts to the

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHigh

pages. Did not know where else to place them.

I've been playing around with the theme in both gnome and KDE and I
believe it's close.

I do not know when artwork makes it into the mix but the release
schedule shows a test release on 01/30.

Cheers,

John

___
Fedora-art-list mailing list
Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list