Re: official Sticker?
Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi, please excuse, is this an official Sticker which can be used, produced and sell by anyone? Take a look at http://www.linux-onlineshop.de/product_info.php/info/p1113_Notebook-Sticker-Fedora.html I wonder, because I never saw, that we call it Fedora linux ... Just a question :-) No and it is likely a violation of our trademark guidelines to do this. If you have a contact address, drop them a mail and point them to the guidelines. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Here are some of my ideas for Fedora 8 and Fedora 9
Valent Turkovic wrote: Sorry if my approach seams a bit rough, but I find english hard to translate finer points, but as you can guess it is not my mother tongue. That's ok but this whole discussing has nothing to do with artwork and sending such mails to multiple lists is unnecessary. Stick to one list and discuss it there. Thanks. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: add new art-work for Fedora 8
John Poelstra wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi all, only a question ... Why a moon-theme for F8? F7 is named as Moonshine maybe we found a name for F8 and than create the themes?! We wouldn't have time after the name is decided. It is pretty much done in the last week or so. Is there a good reason for why we decide the name at the last minute for every release? Culture. Kind of a Easter Egg that we reveal as a surprise. No technical reason. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: add new art-work for Fedora 8
Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi all, only a question ... Why a moon-theme for F8? F7 is named as Moonshine maybe we found a name for F8 and than create the themes?! We wouldn't have time after the name is decided. It is pretty much done in the last week or so. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: metacity theme mockup
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: This metacity reminds Clearlooks 2 found Fedora Core 5. I attached a variation modifying both minimize and close buttons. Perhaps making the theme sighly subtle will suffice. The curved edges in your mockup looks better to me than the square edges in Mo's. There are multiple ways to highlight focus including indentation, glow, color change (lighter/darker shade or a completely different color). Do we have anyone committed to make the necessary modifications in the theme engines? Otherwise all the effort doing the mockups isn't going to make a difference. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Don't use trademark images in Grub
Matthias Clasen wrote: You are not listening. No matter how easy it is to split off a subpackage, legal has asked us to keep all trademarked images in a single package. Anyway, there is still an easy way out; just don't use trademarked images in grub. That should be pretty easy to do. CC'ing fedora-art list. The plan for Fedora 8 is to reduce the branding in the images anyway. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: metacity theme mockup
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Do we have anyone committed to make the necessary modifications in the theme engines? Otherwise all the effort doing the mockups isn't going to make a difference. Rahul I thought it was a job for Fedora Desktop team. It might be but I need specific people to volunteer to do the work before go along doing mockups. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
John Baer wrote: All, +1 to all of the comments on this thread. But we need to get some direction from Red Hat as it's my understanding Red Hat is the owner of the desktop artwork. I'm really pleased on how things are coming around as I see the preliminary F8 release schedule is already out! Mo, can you make an inquiry to the Red Hat desktop team as to what their desire is? Mathias Clasen who started this thread is part of the Red Hat Desktop team and has clearly outlined what the desire is. Did you miss that? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Full banner in Brazil
Jayme Ayres wrote: I would like to show this: http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner.gif http://www.jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora_full_banner_en.gif Good job. Animated GIF's are pretty nice for quick promo's. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 7 test4 artwork.
Wes Armour wrote: Just a quick e-mail to say I love the balloons theme for fedora 7. In my opinion it is the best theme and artwork in a fedora release so far. The desktop background is fantastic! Thanks for the feedback. Much appreciated. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Fwd: Re: icons of latest development openoffice]
Hi Something to consider. Rahul ---BeginMessage--- On Tue, 2007-04-24 at 19:07 +0200, Gianluca Cecchi wrote: are the ones provided by openoffice and not the ones usually I got in Fedora... Is this intended...? I preferred the fedora ones It looks like the default Fedora GNOME theme is now Fedora which inherits its icons from Mist, and Mist doesn't have any openoffice.org icons or inherit from one that does. So the fallback is all the way back to the vanilla OOo icons, bypassing the previous BlueCurve icons used by that theme and other inheriting themes like Clearlooks. The vanilla icons do look like crap, so hopefully either redhat-artwork or gnome-themes could be tweaked to use the BlueCurve icons for OOo apps. C. -- fedora-test-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-test-list ---End Message--- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: How is the Echo Icon development going on?
Mark wrote: yea still far away, but that time is over faster than you realize ;) will fedora be delayed when the echo theme isn`t finished? or will fedora in that case ship with the fc6 theme and have a full eche theme for FC8? Echo is not a release blocker. Release blockers are described in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7. If the theme isnt in a suitable state for default you will get in the next release. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Cursors - naming spec, description, license, etc.
Martin Sourada wrote: Nicu Buculei napsal(a): Martin Sourada wrote: Maybe it would be the best. Yet I'll list here some alternatives: 2. GPL [3] - used by Bluecurve, primarily developers license, but probably usable for art as well. 3. LGPL [4] - that would allow commercial derivates GPL also allow commercial derivatives (all the options allow commercial derivatives), RHEL for example is a commercial derivative, it does not allow *proprietary* derivatives. You know, is not about the money but about the freedom. PS: and even LGPL does not allow proprietary derivatives, it allow to be used in proprietary products. PPS: cc-by-sa is somewhat alike to GPL in not allowing proprietary derivatives. Thanks for the clarifying. Any idea which one(s) of those would fit a cursor theme best? GPL seems to be the popular choice. Note that the since every contributor involved has to sign the Fedora CLA we can relicense it without tracking down every contributor individually if there is a dire need later. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Joachim Frieben wrote: Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been replace by Echo in the current development tree. However, the Bluecurve icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all RHEL versions including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the Fedora community or Red Hat its At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of Places CD/DVD Creator which used to show the correct Bluecurve icon up to FC5 but now uses a Tango one even when the Bluecurve icon theme has been chosen. What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze for Fedora 7 too. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: animation
Jack Daniels wrote: Hi there I saw Fedora 7 default artwork and it was rely great, I couldn’t believe then from that start we will have something like that while I was looking work on progress for art work on fedora 7. While I look on that balloon I feel like it moves slowly and I was thinking how about to make an animated short clip for promoting Fedora 7. So what you think if we start an animated clip for Fedora 7 and to make more complete marketing campaign before lunching a new version of Fedora? Good idea. Are you interested in doing this? Perhaps you can coordinate in fedora-marketing list. Rahul Ps: Avoid thread hijacking. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_hijacking ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you? I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora repository? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers We would need to have it packaged and readily available before we test and get feedback to decide on a default theme. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kelly wrote: Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you? I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. Sorry, my fault. I didn't word it very well. At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora repository? I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's. I usually just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to. If you are interested you just have to read the guidelines and submit a draft package for review. Other more experienced packages will review and provide feedback. Listen and adopt the package according to that and you should be get the package into the repository in a short time. What this requires is interest and some amount of time doing maintenance work like responding to bug reports and keeping the package updated. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Ricardo Cruz wrote: Hello there, This message is meant to be directed for Bluecurve developers. If you guys know of a better address please forward to it. Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been replace by Echo in the current development tree. I have recently started a project for having kde applications rendered as gtk ones (the inverse of gtk-qt-engine). For that, I have come up with a middle layer which I have called of QSimpleStyle. This framework sits on top of QStyle which it shapes into two methods; one for drawing primitives of the various elements of a widget, the other asks for attributes of the said elements. More info at: http://gtk4qt.sourceforge.net/qsimplestyle/ It is early work, but the efforts you spent with it are efforts you save from the maintenance of your style as it is especially useful for cross-desktop styles. Hope to hear from you. It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in Fedora? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Including artwork from older releases
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Hi Since the plan is to refresh the desktop theme for every release, we would invariably have folks who like the artwork in one of the previous releases better than the current one. Since we already have a rule about not including version numbers in the current release, can we continue to including the older themes in subsequent three releases or something like that? I have not found the source version for each theme (they are in png format). I looked the background of the oldest Fedora Core release, it requires some tweak to remove the old text logo. Maybe Diana has the original files. Luya, Paul or anyone else interested in packaging the older artwork from FC5 and FC6 for F7? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: preference-desktop-theme icon draft
Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Using the monitor icon, I made a variation to fit preference-desktop-theme. Is 4 colors on screen enough or should we go with 9? Reminds me of the Windows logo. Can you try a few alternatives? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artTeam Home Page Mockup
Máirín Duffy wrote: 1) Overall does this seem reasonable as a replacement for the existing art page? Is there anything we're forgetting? Yes but now we are left with two pages - ArtTeam and Artwork. The artwork specifications are also duplicated in two pages. 2) An intentional omission here is any reference to the default artwork. Does anyone not agree with this? If the artwork handled by Red Hat Desktop team just specify that. That would be more appropriate for folks new to the project to understand who owns what. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Red Hat Magazine: The Open Palette
Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Check out Nicu's (with some help from me :) ) Inkscape article that just got published to Red Hat Magazine today: http://www.redhatmagazine.com/2007/02/27/the-open-palettehow-to-use-inkscapes-new-blur-filter/ This syncs up with one of the long term team projects we've been discussing recently - FOSS Tools promotion and marketing to show what you can do with the tools available in Fedora. Luya asked for the tutorial to be published on the fedoraproject wiki. Unfortunately this is not possible due to license incompatibility with RHM, but we can link to it. This gave me an idea: if there are a number of tutorials authored by *project members* and published elsewhere we can create a page in the wiki listing them (restricted to tutorials from members to provide an incentive). I can go ahead to create such a page but don't want to create one linking only to my tutorials :p Red Hat magazine articles fall under a creative commons license after a period of time. I have seen the articles being republished verbatim in other places. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new subproject: Hackergotchi Service
Nicu Buculei wrote: Following Máirín's idea of teams working on various projects I started a sub-project with a Short-Order Request Queue, perfectly suited for beginners and new contributors: the Hackergotchi Service - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/HackergotchiService The intention is to have bloggers from Fedora universe not skilled enough/ without free time/ with need from someone more experienced in the field to have a place where to request a hackergotchi and receive help from one of our team members. When we will have a redesigned page for the Art Project (we really need it, to reflect the new goals and structure) I will list it there, for now I announced it in my blog (which should push it in Planet Fedora and Mugshot). Cool. Added cross references to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Including the Right People
John Baer wrote: All, I would like to make sure as we move forward that everyone that should be included is included. We are discussing changing some established processes and I would regret if these well intentioned discussions were received the wrong way. Specifically, I do not know who supports the Fedora forum and/or the Fedora gallery but can someone touch base with these individuals. Our discussions are not critical of their excellent work and we need their help going forward. Can you describe what kind of help you are looking for in more detail? If you just want to upload some pics into the gallery, anybody could register and do so. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Including artwork from older releases
Hi Since the plan is to refresh the desktop theme for every release, we would invariably have folks who like the artwork in one of the previous releases better than the current one. Since we already have a rule about not including version numbers in the current release, can we continue to including the older themes in subsequent three releases or something like that? The only problem with this is that rhgb is not easily themeable but hopefully we are getting rid of that soon enough to not worry about it. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork conversations
Nicu Buculei wrote: I dont consider it a step back. In both cases the concepts was drawn and worked up a team and Diana Fong did the final work. The difference here might that Mola talked over IRC while John Baer didnt. That's just different working styles and prefered modes of interaction. OK, so using unarchived and closed channels is preferred. We dont have artificially invent issues. It is a completely public channel. Archives are available if you want them. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork conversations
Uno Engborg wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: I dont consider it a step back. In both cases the concepts was drawn and worked up a team and Diana Fong did the final work. The difference here might that Mola talked over IRC while John Baer didnt. That's just different working styles and prefered modes of interaction. OK, so using unarchived and closed channels is preferred. We dont have artificially invent issues. It is a completely public channel. Archives are available if you want them. Actually, this is a little more than artificially invented issue. The problem with IRC is that conversations take place in real time. This is a problem for projects that may have particepants in different parts of the world with different time zones. Sure but that is a completely different issue which in no way makes the channel closed. It is not hard to setup bots which automatically archives all the conversations in the channel. I suspect there might already be public services which do just that. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Artwork conversations
Hi, Apologies for the long post but this touches a broader topic. So be patient and you will reach the see the light or at the end of my email. Are we ready? Good. I had a opportunity to talk to Diana Fong during FUDCon Boston 2007 after she came up to talk to me about my perspectives and what I was trying to accomplish with the mail I send a few weeks back[1]. On hindsight that was probably not clear to everyone involved and might have been high sounding. So a longer clarification and some views points here. The conversation we had went on for over an hour about Fedora Artwork project in general and specifically about getting a larger number of contributors involved from the community, the process and the quality that we need to maintain. Diana Fong was worried about the quality of the artwork being produced but didnt work to throw off people from doing the work. I was highlighting that the conversations usually is happening on IRC or blogs which the people here in mailing lists are either not aware of or not participation due to differences in time zones and the process as being important as much as the quality of the work being produced. I suggested that if we cant really collaborate on every step, she can at the moment be transparent about her working methodology and thoughts would be a good first step. I think her recent series of blogs The Voodoo That I Do [2] is effective in that and should be appreciated. Not everyone knows equally well to work in the community. Unlike say packaging where the line of quality vs community participation is tilter in favor of the latter, I believe in artwork it should be the former that is given a higher priority. We should not sacrifice the good results and throw off skilled contributions just because they or we havent yet been able to communicate well with the community. Having said that, here is more details to consider. When the original effort to have a focus on better look and feel was done by Diana Fong for Fedora Core 5, it was entirely a single person's effort. Folks started noticing especially since the artwork happened to be rather in the face compared to the traditional and conservative artwork which we had in the past. I thought that went pretty good overall even though obviously not everyone liked the artwork. It was controversial enough to be talked about inside and external to the Fedora community. Reviews invariably pointed it out in a positive manner. It was also a nod to the idea that Fedora is approachable to everyone and not just the enthusiasts. Fedora Core 6 artwork turned out to be even better with the concepts drawn by Maureen Duffy, the 3D blender work done Mola and the final polishing from Diana Fong. We managed to work as a team, incorporate feedback from various circles such as the artwork being too dark initially etc. Other than the long term discussions about the trademark protection required in the logo vs the need for creativity, I think there is agreement that the quality of the artwork in general has been good to exceptional. What was not defined and to some extend still causing confusion [3] is the process. We had to rush through kind of in the last minute with Fedora Core 6 and here we are now worrying whether we can do artwork effectively as a community today. I would say that is pretty difficult and we would have to learn by trial and error a few things and I have some ideas that could help here. 1) Expect to jump through hurdles : This shouldnt need much explanation but pretty much everytime we have initiated new projects, there has been periods of confusion and general mess before we started being effective. It is pretty much a established trend that I would be surprised we had it all figured out right from the start anywhere. It happened with with Fedora in general. Fedora Extras, Fedora Documentation and now with Fedora Ambassadors and Artwork projects but artwork is rather unique on its own for a number of reasons. It is very subjective, people tend to take criticisms rather personally. We are reluctant to tell people that their artwork is crappy because we dont want to give off the impression that we arent appreciating their interest or contributions in general and more important we dont have a established history of caring about good look and feel and creating artwork via the community in general. Every time we had good artwork anywhere in the Free software world, it has been done through single individuals or by a small focused team. Tiger in GNOME. Crystal SVG icons in KDE or closer to home Fedora Artwork in previous releases. The other end happens to be troublesome [4]. Some would argue that this is indeed true of Free software development in general but I wont go into that now. In general, we will figure out the process and if we can make it work over time. We might realise sometime later that this just isnt working and shut it down
Re: Artwork conversations
John Baer wrote:. If Fedora is going to be open source then Fedora needs to embrace open source. The fact Diana was crafting Fedora final artwork off line with no communication to the team is not open source. It has nothing to do with polish or talent and has everything to do with equality, integrity, inclusion, and teamwork. Things definitely need to improve there. I read the slashdot article on Ubuntu and don't attempt to legitimize Fedora's mistakes with theirs. IMO Mark Shuttleworth does open source better than anyone and that is why Ubuntu is so popular, but on this issue he got it completely wrong. If Mark had the time and skill I believe he would craft the artwork of Ubuntu as the Ubuntu art team had some of the best talent available. Go to their wiki today and search on art. I only see one “feisty” page. Go to launchpad and search on art or “feisty”. Compare that with the effort of “dapper”. These are not the foot steps Fedora wants to follow. I wouldnt calling installing proprietary drivers by default and building proprietary infrastructure as doing open source better than anyone else. Popularity has usually nothing in common with principles. The example was that there are similarities elsewhere in the Linux distribution world and such issues are not unique to Fedora. It is not a justification, otherwise everybody would be repeating the same mistakes but one of the moments where we need to take a step back and look at the big picture. Ok, so how do you make it work? Being more explicit about the process and expectations would make it better. The less we have to assume and make guesses, the better it is. Use the tools of love, equality, integrity, inclusion, and teamwork to empower team members. I believe we are all mature enough to know our limits but that does not mean we can not contribute in a meaningful way. If the bar has to be high, define clearly what high means. I would doubt we can clearly define in black and white terms at what point we can draw that line but I understand your point neverthless. Ask questions. Get answers before you spend time on something. Over a few releases, we would have enough answers and understanding on how things work. 2. Everyone needs to be working with the same information. Although Diana's artwork guide was very helpful I noticed her artwork does not conform to the guide. I'm not saying her art won't work but plainly things changed and we were not kept in the loop. This is not a talent issue this is a Fedora's commitment to the team issue. If there are variations from the guide, point them out. Either the guidelines or the artwork would need to be fixed in that case. 3. Publish a schedule which clearly defines what is due and when. The Ubuntu schedule (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule) notes the deadlines for artwork as well as upstream projects. IMO this can be vastly improved but it is way more than what we were given. At this moment I honestly do not know when artwork will make it into the mix. I'm guessing RC2 or RC3? Our schedule is described in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/7/. My expectation would be the first cut in Test 2 for artwork and more polish by Test 3. Atleast that is what I suggested when the discussions happened earlier. Not only should Fedora be able to provide us with a release schedule for version 7, but a schedule for version 8. I realize things change but the process is the same. No. We dont intend to provide release schedules for the next release before the current release is done. It depends on each other and we dont really plan for two releases at a time. Finally Rahul here are the disappointments. 1. It is obvious the intent from the very beginning was to have Diana produce the final artwork. Why wasn't that stated plainly and clearly? ... because that might not have been the intent? What is obvious is that you spend time on doing things with some expectations which could have easily been avoided. That is a pretty big screwup on leadership. Apologies for that. Will that always be the case? I would say we need to determine that based on the quality and polish of the artwork produced. It the community can produce the artwork that can directly get into the distribution, I see no reason to stop that. What is the intent for “echo”? It has been discussed in the list extensively. The intent is to provide more icons and see if it can be set as the default for the general release if it works out well. What about artwork for the doc team? What about them? 2. I do not know what tools Diana uses to create her images but many professional artists use Adobe on Apple or similar product on Windows. I have had this discussion with Diana and agree it's not the end of the world if the images for Fedora come from one of these platforms, but wouldn't it be nice if Fedora made a statement with it's head held high and showed the world what can be
Where are we?
Hi Should we have IRC weekly meetings to discuss changes and monitor progress in #fedora-art channel? I can lead that discussion for a while if that is useful. Otherwise, I have some questions: * Have we decided a default theme for the different spins in Fedora 7 release. The desktop spin for Fedora 7 is scheduled to be released soon and we are pretty much on the conceptual stage now. Before we put a theme into the distribution, we would probably need much more polish. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/Schedule. * How much more work does it to make the Echo icon theme complete in some form? Does echo work with KDE, XFCE etc and can be the KDE or applications written in a non-GTK toolkit work with echo properly? Is that planned to be done for the general release of Fedora 7? * Do we want a unified look and feel between GNOME and KDE? There are themes like Qtcurve we might adopt. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=40492 KDE folks are looking at installing gtk-qt-engine and kmenu-gnome for the KDE spin in Fedora 7. Do we intend to install the engine and the complimentary GNOME menu extended for the Desktop spin? http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=31033 Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Branding Wallpaper
John Baer wrote: Nicu wrote: I think this is excessive and unneeded branding: both for Fedora and the Desktop Environment. Nicu, Would your preference be no GDM/KDE branding but keep the fedora branding. Or... would you prefer all branding removed? Limited or subtle Fedora branding that aligns itself well with the overall theme is ok. KDE/GNOME branding is complete overkill to be there by default. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: GDM Splash Screen Question
David Zeuthen wrote: Yeah. IIRC, it started becoming really slow (as opposed to just slow) when we added SCIM; probably worth profiling / filing bugs. The non-live CD versions start a whole lot of daemons that not many people will use. We enable the smart card daemon by default for every installation for example. We should completely eradicate that problem by the next release. It is silly. For example, for English and most European locales input methods are not needed at all so we should be smart about things and don't automatically load it. However, for e.g. Chinese and many others locales it's fundamentally needed so it needs to be on the live CD at least as long as we have one live CD for all territories. That might change though; e.g. we might have separate ones for; Americas/Europe, Eastern Europe, Africa, India, Asia/Pacific or some other way of breaking it down. Yes. That would be good. It might be useful have a discussion around the roadmap and reasonable schedules for the new features for the live cd that people have been wanting. Installation to hard disk, gui for the derivates, easy rebranding etc. Look at merging pilgrim and pungi perhaps. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [FC7 theme proposal] Flying High with Fedora 7 - Round 2
Máirín Duffy wrote: Do we like this artwork straight/clean/clear? Maybe we could play around with a more painterly touch or textures? E.g., while I stared at this too long when I made it and it's probably overkill, something like: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPOC?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=flyinghigh-moonlight2.png (it's a little oversaturated for sure; it needs to be tuned down) I was kind of going for a grainy-film look. The balloon idea made me think of the Smashing Pumkins 'tonight, tonight' music video [1] which had that kind of novel quality to it so I wanted to see how it'd look here. ~m [1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_7VRYySrVA I am not sure whether end users would see that as a particular style or just a poor quality image. Kind of like when my grandfather told me to properly iron my crumbled look shirt. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FC7 Theme Round 1 is over, let's start round 2!
Leo wrote: On FRI, 8 DEC 2006, Máirín Duffy wrote: Okay, so round 1 is officially over. The list that Nicu so helpfully compiled (thanks!!) is the official list of theme candidates for FC7. I linked to all of them from the FC7 Theme page as well: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes Those are great pictures! Thanks everyone. One thing that confuses me for a long time is the fact that the art team is rather concentrated on creating those wallpaper-like pictures. I am not saying it is not important. They are critical elements of a consistent-looking theme. But what about the gtk2 and metacity themes, and the icon theme? Particularly the icon theme, it is overdue for a change. Window manager theme was discussed a few weeks at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-November/msg00085.html. We just need to pick that up and polish it more. The Fedora development tree aka 'rawhide' already has a new icon theme. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Máirín Duffy wrote: I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. Cimi, thank you for starting this discussion. Yep. Always nice to have upstream developers collaborate with us. Thanks. I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a decision though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no process. There isn't any defined process to get artwork themes into the distribution right now. This is a very old problem so let's just trailblaze through it. Its not quite a problem really. Ping the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/SteeringCommittee when the artwork team agrees on something. This will probably go through the desktop team for their input too primarily at the code level. It helps to actually have this packaged already in Fedora Extras before proposing it for Fedora Core. It seems quite reasonable to at least include this theme engine in the distro via Extras if not in Core, as long as someone is willing to maintain the package. Would either you or Leo be willing to maintain it? If so, you may want to ask someone like Jesse Keating or Rahul about the process of getting it into the distribution. A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested in doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to upstream, it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the packaging efforts too. It helps in user - developer interactions. If you are not interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla preferences to be automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that particular component. This is what upstream Gaim developers do for example. Where the art team comes in I believe is picking out a default theme for Murrine. Can you suggest some nice ones, Leo or Cimi? We haven't decided on a theme/style for FC7 yet but once we do I think that'd be the appropriate time to specify the colors for the theme. Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine without looking at the code? If the themes are completely customizable which apparently is the case here, how do we understand the value of a particular engine over another by merely looking at screenshots? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 à 18:02 -0500, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its less focused.) I still think it's not ;) as theming involves usability and other concerns, not just pretty colours (that's why I don't like evaluating on screenshots only BTW) The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who are involved here. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Official Fedora Core 6 media labels
Hi I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as official. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 We need a official one for consistent branding and I selected one because the Fedora Bible author contacted me and wanted us to pick one. So there it is. Rahul Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Official Fedora Core 6 media labels
Nicu Buculei wrote: Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Lun 16 octobre 2006 10:18, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : Hi I believe duffy's version got the most votes. So I am declaring this as official. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/CDArtFC6 But it seems duffy only did the insert, what matching round CD/DVD label are people supposed to use? Having access to the source (I believe Máirín used Inkscape, so SVG), the other graphics are trivial to be produced. Note: on the wiki we don't have sources for any of the proposals and the PNGs are very low quality (unusable). Duffy's proposal has the links to the Inkscape SVG file. If you can produce the other variants that we need, lets do that. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
