Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kelly wrote: Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. Sorry, my fault. I didn't word it very well. At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora repository? I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's. I usually just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to. If you are interested you just have to read the guidelines and submit a draft package for review. Other more experienced packages will review and provide feedback. Listen and adopt the package according to that and you should be get the package into the repository in a short time. What this requires is interest and some amount of time doing maintenance work like responding to bug reports and keeping the package updated. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kelly wrote: > > Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? > > I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. Sorry, my fault. I didn't word it very well. > > At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent > > of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I > > notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of > > programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so > > it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the > > programs looking the same). > > So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, > are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora > repository? I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's. I usually just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to. -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me. At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora repository? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers We would need to have it packaged and readily available before we test and get feedback to decide on a default theme. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Uh... you didn't accidentally assume "I have" = "I designed", did you? At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME. I notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same). On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:45 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Kelly wrote: > > To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for > > the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which > > makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... > > If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG > and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme > is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the > look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be > available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze > for Fedora 7 too. > > Rahul -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Kelly wrote: To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze for Fedora 7 too. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the widgets at least. I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too... On Monday, March 19, 2007 4:09 am Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, > who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using > Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is > the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been > replace by Echo in the current development tree. -- http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - Get Firefox! http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ - Reclaim Your Inbox! Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Joachim Frieben wrote: At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been chosen. What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. Rahul Huh? I actually wrote that the "CD/DVD > Creator" icon in "FC5" is the right one - the opposite of what you assert! Things broke later, namely in "FC6" for which I posted a bug report [#230002] 4 weeks ago. Sorry. I misread that. Rahul PS: Your mails dont line wrap for some reason making it harder to read. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
> At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD > Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" > but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been > chosen. > > What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you > want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat > support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is > pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic > issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. > > Rahul Huh? I actually wrote that the "CD/DVD > Creator" icon in "FC5" is the right one - the opposite of what you assert! Things broke later, namely in "FC6" for which I posted a bug report [#230002] 4 weeks ago. -- "Feel free" - 5 GB Mailbox, 50 FreeSMS/Monat ... Jetzt GMX ProMail testen: www.gmx.net/de/go/mailfooter/promail-out ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Joachim Frieben wrote: Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been replace by Echo in the current development tree. However, the "Bluecurve" icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all "RHEL" versions including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the "Fedora" community or "Red Hat" its At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been chosen. What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate. For FC5 it is pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 10:40 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: > Rahul Sundaram napsal(a): > > It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people > > to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in > > Fedora? > > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. > > > > Rahul > > > > ___ > > Fedora-art-list mailing list > > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > > > > Agreed, but I also noticed on their homepage that QSimpleStyle is a part of > gtk4qt project which aims to be for Gnome what is gtk-qt-engine for KDE - i.e. > transition layer for kde to use gtk themes directly (and thus allowing Gnome > users to have QT apps look like if they were GTK apps). I think it would be > useful to have this package as well, and probably QSimpleStyle only as a > subpackage. Please don't. These cross-toolkit theming implementations are pretty fragile and really not the way to go. The gtk-qt hack has been the source of a considerable fraction of the crash reports that are clogging up the GTK+ bugzilla. If you want a single cross-toolkit theme implementation, work on a toolkit-agnostic theming framework. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
> Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, > who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using > Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is > the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been > replace by Echo in the current development tree. However, the "Bluecurve" icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all "RHEL" versions including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the "Fedora" community or "Red Hat" itself. At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of "Places > CD/DVD Creator" which used to show the correct "Bluecurve" icon up to "FC5" but now uses a "Tango" one even when the "Bluecurve" icon theme has been chosen. -- Der GMX SmartSurfer hilft bis zu 70% Ihrer Onlinekosten zu sparen! Ideal für Modem und ISDN: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/smartsurfer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Rahul Sundaram napsal(a): > It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people > to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in > Fedora? > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. > > Rahul > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > Agreed, but I also noticed on their homepage that QSimpleStyle is a part of gtk4qt project which aims to be for Gnome what is gtk-qt-engine for KDE - i.e. transition layer for kde to use gtk themes directly (and thus allowing Gnome users to have QT apps look like if they were GTK apps). I think it would be useful to have this package as well, and probably QSimpleStyle only as a subpackage. Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Ricardo Cruz wrote: Hello there, This message is meant to be directed for Bluecurve developers. If you guys know of a better address please forward to it. Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been replace by Echo in the current development tree. I have recently started a project for having kde applications rendered as gtk ones (the inverse of gtk-qt-engine). For that, I have come up with a middle layer which I have called of QSimpleStyle. This framework sits on top of QStyle which it shapes into two methods; one for drawing primitives of the various elements of a widget, the other asks for attributes of the said elements. More info at: http://gtk4qt.sourceforge.net/qsimplestyle/ It is early work, but the efforts you spent with it are efforts you save from the maintenance of your style as it is especially useful for cross-desktop styles. Hope to hear from you. It is useful to have it in the repository and see if we can get people to experiment and be creative with it. Do you want to maintain it in Fedora? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle
Hello there, This message is meant to be directed for Bluecurve developers. If you guys know of a better address please forward to it. I have recently started a project for having kde applications rendered as gtk ones (the inverse of gtk-qt-engine). For that, I have come up with a middle layer which I have called of QSimpleStyle. This framework sits on top of QStyle which it shapes into two methods; one for drawing primitives of the various elements of a widget, the other asks for attributes of the said elements. More info at: http://gtk4qt.sourceforge.net/qsimplestyle/ It is early work, but the efforts you spent with it are efforts you save from the maintenance of your style as it is especially useful for cross-desktop styles. Hope to hear from you. Cheers, Ricardo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
