Re: F8 artwork update
Máirín Duffy wrote: The only absolutely essential artwork we do not have checked in or ready to check in for F8 test 2 is GDM. I'm not sure what to do about it; Avio [2] looks nice - what do you think if we used that with a theme-specific background? Does anybody have any other ideas for GDM? As an absolute fallback we can go with the current one and simply replace the Flying High background as Nicu suggested. It doesn't look bad, but I'd like to see something different if we can do it. If anybody has a mockup I can implement it so we're not bound to use something that's already been implemented. Yes, Avio looks nice *if* we reduce the number of buttons, otherwise it is too busy. I liked the use of transparent areas in F7's Flying High, so I favor the middle version of the 3 Avio screenshots (it also looks a little less Vista-like). Other stuff that's not super essential but nice-to-have and hopefully we'll have ready for test 3: - gnome splash - kde splash With the GNOME splash *not* enabled by default I think we are just fine using the upstream splash. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching
All, As the deadline is tomorrow, I have developed the Abstract theme to a point where I am happy to extend it through other areas of the graphics. Toward the bottom of the Abstract page [1] - I go for chronological-ish order - you can find wallpaper 2o, a working GRUB package, Anaconda prompt splash image and RHGB logo graphic. The SVGs are, of course, there too. I hope they are starting to look good; I have the wallpaper, RHGB and GRUB all running on my machine at the mo and they look pretty good, if I may say so myself! Still, any comments on them are gratefully recieved though it will be more difficult to sweep major changes through! Thanks, Ben :) 1. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract - - - - - On 01/08/07, Rahul Sundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can use fedorapeople.org if you want to upload some files. Yes, I have now an active account on fPeople.o ad stuck everything there. I had quickly played with it merely hours before you wrote but I hadn't gotten anywhere - SSH is a bit new to me, let alone combining that with FTP! ./b -- |..// seawolf //..| | Ben Arnold | |e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | |GnuPG Available - ask me!| ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Round 2 Deadline for F8 Artwork Approaching
On 01/08/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, the original Round 2 deadline was this Wednesday, Aug 1, but I extended it to Monday August 6 (I hope you folks don't mind!) so we could have one more weekend to work on things and get stuff polished. Gave me a bit more flexibility for the middle of the week. On 01/08/07, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The extension was needed, I think we have not progressed as much as I expected. From those only Infinity, Moon and Floating Cubes received any type of work/contributions during Round 2, so the time to act is NOW and support your favorite theme. I have dveloped Abstract considerably, I am up to vesion 12(ish). If the wiki would stop timing out, there would be eery vesion on the page. For now, there is the early vesions ae and k. ./b -- |..// seawolf //..| | Ben Arnold | |e-mail / msn / icq / web | | http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary | | ben.arnold.inbox (at) gmail.com | | iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com | |GnuPG Available - ask me!| ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Hi all :) what you think about artwork of F8 compatibility with codename,* *Mascot and Season(Fall,winter) ? ** ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Mola Pahnadayan wrote: Hi all :) what you think about artwork of F8 compatibility with codename,* *Mascot and Season(Fall,winter) ? So like having a theme for the fall release (F8) with dry leaves and a spring one (F9) with blooming flowers? If you have the mood, go forward and do a proposal like this. Personally if I would make artwork based on the season I would be tempted to make something cooler (with a lot of ice cubes) matching the hot summer outside, theme which would not fit at all an October/November release. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
On 6/11/07, Mark wrote: But what is the logout screen? is that kdelogo - Log Out if that`s the one.. how do you theme that one? - kcontrol main page Also good to theme but HOW? how can i theme that part? You can create a new fedora theme like for: - log out: http://kde-artists.org/logout - kcontrol: /usr/share/apps/kcontrol/about/top-right-kcontrol.png chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Chitlesh GOORAH wrote: However, like i said before, we should bear in mind KDE4 is different from KDE3.5. Meaning your work on kde3.5 might not be ported to kde4. +1. F8 will (almost certainly) include kde4, and only skeleton bits of kde3 for compatibility purposes, so I'd recommend not spending too much time/energy on kde3-specific theming at this point. Hopefully, we'll have some sort of initial alpha/beta packaging of kde4 available within the next month (or so), so folks can look-at/work-on that. -- Rex ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
thanx for the information Hopefully, we'll have some sort of initial alpha/beta packaging of kde4 available within the next month (or so), so folks can look-at/work-on that. i really hope that!!! 2007/6/12, Chitlesh GOORAH [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/11/07, Mark wrote: But what is the logout screen? is that kdelogo - Log Out if that`s the one.. how do you theme that one? - kcontrol main page Also good to theme but HOW? how can i theme that part? You can create a new fedora theme like for: - log out: http://kde-artists.org/logout - kcontrol: /usr/share/apps/kcontrol/about/top-right-kcontrol.png chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Máirín Duffy wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: - We could have a representative of Desktop team and a representative of the Fedora board to give a signoff on the final theme design, to make sure they agree its a proper representation of Fedora and the desktop. We should make sure each of these representatives is made aware of how we're doing along with posting our updates. Sound reasonable? Paul is already our representative to the Board I think; would you be willing to be the desktop liaison, Matthias? I would like to hear from them even is just a single + or - at each milestone, but this is the idea. Do you think the promo kit should come first? I was thinking that a lot of folks block on the disc designs, folks who are holding launch events and magazines and such. And the disc designs could be included in the promo kit. Maybe we should hear a word about this from the people using the promo kit and the CD labels to see if the dates are OK Say instead something like Tentacles or GNOME Curves (with a Fedora touch) from the default selection of wallpapers and I am sold. +1 Something along those lines with a small Fedora logo is what I was thinking basic would be. My first reaction was like this: no matter how low is my creativity at this particular point, I should be able to put together a few curly stripes and an very discrete logo but then got struck by an idea: the basic theme can be an extremely simplified and stylized shape illustrating the base metaphor as the complex theme. For example a basic F7 theme would be a big rounded blob (the balloon) and a few wavy stripes (the sky). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Sorry to butt into the conversation here but I am throwing these ideas onto a wiki page along with links etc. to start the sketches and ideas for the design, also to save searching though this huge conversation or the images! I am, however, having trouble uploading the image at the bottom. I'll try again later. Feel free to edit the page as necessary; if you find something is important, please add it to the ideas. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract Thanks ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Hi Ben, Ben Arnold wrote: Sorry to butt into the conversation here but I am throwing these ideas onto a wiki page along with links etc. to start the sketches and ideas for the design, also to save searching though this huge conversation or the images! I am, however, having trouble uploading the image at the bottom. I'll try again later. Feel free to edit the page as necessary; if you find something is important, please add it to the ideas. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8ThemeAbstract This is awesome, thank you! Everything is gathered together in one place now :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
However, like i said before, we should bear in mind KDE4 is different from KDE3.5. Meaning your work on kde3.5 might not be ported to kde4. My request would be to work on several kde images such as: - login / logout screens That`s a good idea. i already started on a KDM theme (not satisfied yet). But what is the logout screen? is that kdelogo - Log Out if that`s the one.. how do you theme that one? - kcontrol main page Also good to theme but HOW? how can i theme that part? - kde metabar. (I have requested (and it was accepted for F7) a fedora 5 metabar ) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fedora+Bubbles+Metabar+theme+V2?content=53028 Perhaps it could be updated accordingly. more https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00206.html Yes this is a part that`s troubling me alot. i want to have a matabar myself but not the konquerors one.. that looks plain ugly with a fat border at the right and a fat ugly bar at the left.. if those 2 could go it would be a awsome thing to have in F8. (i know the left bar can go.. don`t know about the right one) Whatever it`s gonna be with that border stuff.. i will mock up something anyway. And a fedora logo question. i personally don`t like the default fedora ogo image so i use this one: http://mola.c100c.com/index.php?blog/show/Fedora_logo_in_blender (second one of cause) hope that`s not a problem. 2007/6/11, Chitlesh GOORAH [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On 6/7/07, Mark wrote: So yea if i`m the first who can actually show something with theming (not mocking up but really making it work in kde) than i would like to be the first one :) Talking about kde, what is really the path we are going to take - crystal like (my favourite) ? - gnome like (german kde core developpers will accuse us again for destroying their work) ? However, like i said before, we should bear in mind KDE4 is different from KDE3.5. Meaning your work on kde3.5 might not be ported to kde4. My request would be to work on several kde images such as: - login / logout screens - kcontrol main page - kde metabar. (I have requested (and it was accepted for F7) a fedora 5 metabar ) http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Fedora+Bubbles+Metabar+theme+V2?content=53028 Perhaps it could be updated accordingly. more https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2006-December/msg00206.html Surely any design should be fedora related but fedora release independent. For KDE4, many apps will have their artwork revamp, so staying tune with upstream is imminent. regards, Chitlesh -- http://clunixchit.blogspot.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
hmm.. oke when i make the actual proposals with the designs they will have the real and official fedora logo`s. but can`t the logo itself be reworked a little with a little 3d feeling in it? 2007/6/11, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mark, Mark wrote: And a fedora logo question. i personally don`t like the default fedora ogo image so i use this one: http://mola.c100c.com/index.php?blog/show/Fedora_logo_in_blender (second one of cause) hope that`s not a problem. Unfortunately that is a problem. :( You see, the logo as it is without 3D effects or anything like that is a really big part of the Fedora project's identity. It's actually expressly forbidden for folks to use modified versions of the logo (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines). This is so that the Fedora project has a unified brand and to lessen confusion about what is and isn't officially a part of the project. I have to recommend that you find a way to work the standard Fedora logo into your designs. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
can you also reply on the other questions i had? don`t worry about the logo. i will use the official in my final proposals. 2007/6/11, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mark wrote: hmm.. oke when i make the actual proposals with the designs they will have the real and official fedora logo`s. but can`t the logo itself be reworked a little with a little 3d feeling in it? It's really not supposed to, read the guidelines and see for yourself. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
Mark wrote: can you also reply on the other questions i had? don`t worry about the logo. i will use the official in my final proposals. Unfortunately I'm not a KDE user and haven't been for at least 5 years now :) So I'm not really equipped to answer your other questions from that email, sorry. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
what`s the ide with the fedora 8 theme battle? because i only see 2 drafts.. one of myself and someone else. or is the theming battle not even started yet. 2007/6/9, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 17:55 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Well, I think there are two things we can do to help avoid the issues we had last release: - We should be as open and as transparent as possible wrt our progress on the themes. We should post to Planet Fedora for example, at least every two weeks on the situation so there are no surprises for anyone involved by the time the 3rd and final theme deadline is reached. Remember also that the major bits need to be implemented by the final deadline so hopefully we will have folks from Desktop assisting with that process thus they'll be aware of the stuff we're coming up with and be able to give their input. Hitting the nail on the head, excellent. - We could have a representative of Desktop team and a representative of the Fedora board to give a signoff on the final theme design, to make sure they agree its a proper representation of Fedora and the desktop. We should make sure each of these representatives is made aware of how we're doing along with posting our updates. Sound reasonable? Paul is already our representative to the Board I think; would you be willing to be the desktop liaison, Matthias? I'll no longer be with the Board shortly, since my seat is up for elections Real Soon Now, but it's not like they're going to sever lines of communication with me or anything. If they think they still need this liaison position to be a Board member, that's fine; otherwise I'm happy to help out in whatever capacity they'd like. Do these dates make sense? If so, would anybody object to me going ahead and announcing the F8 theme process? - I'm thinking a Fedora News announcement, here on this list + marketing + websites list, fedoraforum.org, and I can make a post on Fedora Planet as well. I think the dates are just fine, go ahead with the announcements. Will do :) +1 - Milestone 4: Mon 10 Sept - concept discussion for F8 marketing materials on the marketing list. Come up with a standard tagline for the release the way we did Reach higher for the new static FPO website, and maybe some promo banner ideas as well. This is fine. If I understand you correctly, the tagline is related to the graphic theme (DNA - Evolved, FlyingHigh - Reach higher) Yep exactly, so it makes sense to come up with this after the graphic theme is decided. This is a really well-coordinated plan of attack; I like it! - Milestone 5: Mon 24 Sept - finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. At least a professional-printer (eg screenprinting) ready version of each needs to be made of the labels - 3 or 4 colors at most. An additional set with more colors / more complex design could also be prepared for home users with inkjet printers. Is not this a little earlier? Those last milestones my go in parallel schedule, CD covers are not blockers for screenshots in the press kit and are not blocked by the promo banners, all of them use the release theming as a root. Do you think the promo kit should come first? I was thinking that a lot of folks block on the disc designs, folks who are holding launch events and magazines and such. And the disc designs could be included in the promo kit. Anyway, we should create a page similar to the ThemingOverview for all those marketing related graphics, as a central point of reference. +1 - Milestone 7: Mon 15 October - finalize fedoraproject.orgpromotional materials. Probably will consist of: (1) F8 tour with screenshots, (2) big promo banner for the front page of the site at launch time. Work with the websites and infrastructure teams to get a staging site set up and ready to go for the final release date. Another yes from me on this. Maybe yet another milestone working with the documentation people on the Firefox start page? This is a great idea, I totally forget this. We could include this task in the milestone with the FPO materials. In your defense, this was a very late-start issue we tried to handle for F7 and just couldn't get it off the ground with everything else going on. I'll be happy to help get any design stuff into our CVS, etc., of course. Also to make my meaning clear, by 'basic' I'm thinking just an abstract (likely blue) graphic style with a plain Fedora logo and that's it. No balloons, dna, bubbles, or anything like that. :) So it could have a style, and that style could even complement what the theme is, but it wouldn't have the balloons or whatever the theme element is in it. (Does that make sense?) Say instead something like Tentacles or GNOME Curves (with a Fedora touch) from the default selection of wallpapers and I am sold. +1 Something along those lines with a small Fedora logo is what I
Re: F8 artwork
Máirín Duffy wrote: I looked at the F8 release schedule and the calendar and came up with the following (somewhat aggressive, but if all goes well we'll have everything for the feature freeze deadline) schedule: - Round 1 deadline: Monday July 2nd - Any ideas that don't have a formal proposal on the mailing list + a proposal page linked off of the F8Themes wiki page will be out of the running at this point. Seems fine - Round 2 deadline: Monday July 20th - Any ideas that don't have fully fleshed-out and polished artwork, at least 1 wallpaper and let's say 3 supporting graphics, will be out of the running at this point. OK - Round 3 deadline: Monday August 20th (F8 feature freeze) - Any ideas that don't have fully-polished and implemented versions of the following will be out of the running: - wallpaper - gdm theme - bootup artwork (whether it's the new system or RHGB graphics and grub screen) - installer artwork (splash, banner, and 15-color anaconda graphic) - firstboot artwork (splash, banner) I feel like this is asking a little too much, an almost complete theme and we may still have a number of competing concepts at that time, but I am not very strong about this. If we really, really get stuck and end up with more than one really awesome theme by the round 3 deadline, we can always hold a vote of Fedora contributors similar to the F7 naming vote process. I'm hoping that it won't be necessary, though. If we don't have any completely finished to the specifications above by the deadline, we can dig in and work on the one that's closest to being complete at that point. And if we have just only one theme at that point? Will we have the authority to endorse it as the way to go? For F7 nobody objected because the decision was made by a supreme, unquestionable authority (RH Desktop Team), maybe we should define clearly the process and our relation with the Desktop Team. Do these dates make sense? If so, would anybody object to me going ahead and announcing the F8 theme process? - I'm thinking a Fedora News announcement, here on this list + marketing + websites list, fedoraforum.org, and I can make a post on Fedora Planet as well. I think the dates are just fine, go ahead with the announcements. On a related note, I would also like to add some more milestones/deadlines to the process even though they aren't part of the theme selection process. Please tell me if you think I'm completely insane with these items deadlines. No you are not insane, these are good to have. We may not consider them blockers or not be very strict about dates and accept a couple of days delay. - Milestone 4: Mon 10 Sept - concept discussion for F8 marketing materials on the marketing list. Come up with a standard tagline for the release the way we did Reach higher for the new static FPO website, and maybe some promo banner ideas as well. This is fine. If I understand you correctly, the tagline is related to the graphic theme (DNA - Evolved, FlyingHigh - Reach higher) - Milestone 5: Mon 24 Sept - finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. At least a professional-printer (eg screenprinting) ready version of each needs to be made of the labels - 3 or 4 colors at most. An additional set with more colors / more complex design could also be prepared for home users with inkjet printers. Is not this a little earlier? Those last milestones my go in parallel schedule, CD covers are not blockers for screenshots in the press kit and are not blocked by the promo banners, all of them use the release theming as a root. Anyway, we should create a page similar to the ThemingOverview for all those marketing related graphics, as a central point of reference. - Milestone 6: Mon 5 October - prepare a 'promo kit' for the release. This would be aimed towards Fedora ambassadors and other folks wanting to promote Fedora 8 at conferences/shows/gatherings during launch time. Include some standard screenshots folks can use, some printer-quality artwork (sources for the theme work would be great), and a link to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] site, all gathered in one page on the wiki for easy access. I've noticed we've gotten a lot of inquiries about these materials for F8 and were not prepared. Another idea for the kit: PDF informational sheet about the release with preliminary release notes (or information about the most compelling features being introduced in the release) and a couple screenshots. Yes, this is useful, we will have to work closely with the marketing team. - Milestone 7: Mon 15 October - finalize fedoraproject.org promotional materials. Probably will consist of: (1) F8 tour with screenshots, (2) big promo banner for the front page of the site at launch time. Work with the websites and infrastructure teams to get a staging site set up and ready to go for the final release date. Another yes from me on this. Maybe yet another milestone working with the
Re: F8 artwork
Le Ven 8 juin 2007 09:12, Mark a écrit : comments? critics? feel free to post it here (don`t pm.. let everyone read it here on this list) Be very carreful with gradients. They're pretty but it's difficult to have text with good contrast over them. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
On 08/06/07, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Máirí-n Duffy wrote: - Milestone 4: Mon 10 Sept - concept discussion for F8 marketing materials on the marketing list. Come up with a standard tagline for the release the way we did Reach higher for the new static FPO website, and maybe some promo banner ideas as well. This is fine. If I understand you correctly, the tagline is related to the graphic theme (DNA - Evolved, FlyingHigh - Reach higher) I did, to be honest, miss this idea completely! I think it could be fun to have a caption competition open to a wider audience, maybe a FedoraForum thread or something. It may bring in more ideas. Also to make my meaning clear, by 'basic' I'm thinking just an abstract (likely blue) graphic style with a plain Fedora logo and that's it. No balloons, dna, bubbles, or anything like that. :) So it could have a style, and that style could even complement what the theme is, but it wouldn't have the balloons or whatever the theme element is in it. (Does that make sense?) Say instead something like Tentacles or GNOME Curves (with a Fedora touch) from the default selection of wallpapers and I am sold. So, in a way, a background of a wallpaper without a definate subject? Question: F7 changed the icon theme to Myst partly to match the blue of the rest of the desktop. We will do something similar in F8 or the opposite (do the desktop artwork to fit the icon theme). The same about Metacity. +1 They need to match somehow. Problem is we don't know if we can depend on Echo at this point. Call me pessimistic, but I have my doubts about Echo. I think it will take a lot of time and work to say the least. Methinks it will be done when it's done and until then we will have to keep Mist or something a little more fresh than Bluecurve. -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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thanx for the suggestion i will keep that in mind 2007/6/8, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Le Ven 8 juin 2007 09:12, Mark a écrit : comments? critics? feel free to post it here (don`t pm.. let everyone read it here on this list) Be very carreful with gradients. They're pretty but it's difficult to have text with good contrast over them. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F8 artwork
On Fri, 2007-06-08 at 12:12 +0200, Ben Arnold wrote: I did, to be honest, miss this idea completely! I think it could be fun to have a caption competition open to a wider audience, maybe a FedoraForum thread or something. It may bring in more ideas. I thought it too, so I opened a thread already yesterday: http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=157254 Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Sorry for probable double posting, but my last messages got probably lost, so here is the first of them: Hi folks, I also made a metacity/kwm theme mockup [1]. I also provide svg [2] in case anyone would like to polish/rework it. The main ideas are: 1. usage of echo colours 2. decent gradients, echoey style 3. different coloured buttons, as it could help user faster distinguish the difference 4. only upper corners rounded, bottom ones squared 5. gradient only in title bar, border solid, continuous transition from the title bar 6. echoy style outline Please not that its an very early draft and is meant only to express the ideas. While I am quite content with the title bar and border, the buttons are at the moment not very nice, IMO. Feel free to modify, comment and criticise it :) And, well... this is only for focused window, the other ones might be in grey scale or at least with very small saturation... Also, we would need to explore how it would fit with gtk/qt style... references: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/metacity-draft.png [2] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/metacity-draft.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi folks, I also made a metacity/kwm theme mockup [1]. I also provide svg [2] in case anyone would like to polish/rework it. The main ideas are: 1. usage of echo colours 2. decent gradients, echoey style 3. different coloured buttons, as it could help user faster distinguish the difference 4. only upper corners rounded, bottom ones squared 5. gradient only in title bar, border solid, continuous transition from the title bar 6. echoy style outline Please not that its an very early draft and is meant only to express the ideas. While I am quite content with the title bar and border, the buttons are at the moment not very nice, IMO. Feel free to modify, comment and criticise it :) And, well... this is only for focused window, the other ones might be in grey scale or at least with very small saturation... Also, we would need to explore how it would fit with gtk/qt style... references: [1] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/metacity-draft.png [2] http://feannatar.hostuju.cz/fedora/downloads/metacity-draft.svg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: If we really, really get stuck and end up with more than one really awesome theme by the round 3 deadline, we can always hold a vote of Fedora contributors similar to the F7 naming vote process. I'm hoping that it won't be necessary, though. If we don't have any completely finished to the specifications above by the deadline, we can dig in and work on the one that's closest to being complete at that point. And if we have just only one theme at that point? Will we have the authority to endorse it as the way to go? For F7 nobody objected because the decision was made by a supreme, unquestionable authority (RH Desktop Team), maybe we should define clearly the process and our relation with the Desktop Team. Well, I think there are two things we can do to help avoid the issues we had last release: - We should be as open and as transparent as possible wrt our progress on the themes. We should post to Planet Fedora for example, at least every two weeks on the situation so there are no surprises for anyone involved by the time the 3rd and final theme deadline is reached. Remember also that the major bits need to be implemented by the final deadline so hopefully we will have folks from Desktop assisting with that process thus they'll be aware of the stuff we're coming up with and be able to give their input. - We could have a representative of Desktop team and a representative of the Fedora board to give a signoff on the final theme design, to make sure they agree its a proper representation of Fedora and the desktop. We should make sure each of these representatives is made aware of how we're doing along with posting our updates. Sound reasonable? Paul is already our representative to the Board I think; would you be willing to be the desktop liaison, Matthias? Do these dates make sense? If so, would anybody object to me going ahead and announcing the F8 theme process? - I'm thinking a Fedora News announcement, here on this list + marketing + websites list, fedoraforum.org, and I can make a post on Fedora Planet as well. I think the dates are just fine, go ahead with the announcements. Will do :) - Milestone 4: Mon 10 Sept - concept discussion for F8 marketing materials on the marketing list. Come up with a standard tagline for the release the way we did Reach higher for the new static FPO website, and maybe some promo banner ideas as well. This is fine. If I understand you correctly, the tagline is related to the graphic theme (DNA - Evolved, FlyingHigh - Reach higher) Yep exactly, so it makes sense to come up with this after the graphic theme is decided. - Milestone 5: Mon 24 Sept - finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. At least a professional-printer (eg screenprinting) ready version of each needs to be made of the labels - 3 or 4 colors at most. An additional set with more colors / more complex design could also be prepared for home users with inkjet printers. Is not this a little earlier? Those last milestones my go in parallel schedule, CD covers are not blockers for screenshots in the press kit and are not blocked by the promo banners, all of them use the release theming as a root. Do you think the promo kit should come first? I was thinking that a lot of folks block on the disc designs, folks who are holding launch events and magazines and such. And the disc designs could be included in the promo kit. Anyway, we should create a page similar to the ThemingOverview for all those marketing related graphics, as a central point of reference. +1 - Milestone 7: Mon 15 October - finalize fedoraproject.org promotional materials. Probably will consist of: (1) F8 tour with screenshots, (2) big promo banner for the front page of the site at launch time. Work with the websites and infrastructure teams to get a staging site set up and ready to go for the final release date. Another yes from me on this. Maybe yet another milestone working with the documentation people on the Firefox start page? This is a great idea, I totally forget this. We could include this task in the milestone with the FPO materials. Also to make my meaning clear, by 'basic' I'm thinking just an abstract (likely blue) graphic style with a plain Fedora logo and that's it. No balloons, dna, bubbles, or anything like that. :) So it could have a style, and that style could even complement what the theme is, but it wouldn't have the balloons or whatever the theme element is in it. (Does that make sense?) Say instead something like Tentacles or GNOME Curves (with a Fedora touch) from the default selection of wallpapers and I am sold. +1 Something along those lines with a small Fedora logo is what I was thinking basic would be. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: Do you think is the case for us to start a 3 round process similar with the one proposed for F7? - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes We can easily adapt it with dates following the F8 schedule. +1 OK, I quickly kicked a page in the wiki with content mostly copied/adapted from the F7 page and all dates put as TBD: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes I do not think that it's a matter of being 'hard to top', though. I Indeed, the perception of the artwork is so subjective that is impossible to define hard to top think especially for the artwork that is not easily changed by end users (wallpaper and GDM theme are easiest to swap out), we have to think about the artwork forcing a particular theme down user's throats when Maybe we will think again and include at least the graphics for the previous release by default to leave a bit of choice for the users their tastes are quite different. E.g., there's balloons in grub, if I like a dark techno/shiny look for my system - well that's not going to really jive with the fun happy balloons I will have to see up until login ;-). It's not easy to switch those out. (I've seen quite a few complaints to this end on fedoraforum and on IRC.) With RHGB being the hardest to switch, but RHGB is on its way out. Either way we take, some users will prefer something different. We also want to make it easier for folks to remix and customize Fedora for redistribution. We will make this much more difficult for these folks if every nook and cranny of the OS has overly thematic artwork. Fedora is even more of an 'upstream' now. How about two version of the artwork, a basic one and a derivative of it for the final desktop, the derivative being on equal foot with other derivative distros can do? With those things in mind, a good approach I think could be to focus on the wallpaper and GDM and tone down the rest. We can still make a big impression and 'keep up the tradition' or whatever, and use the wallpaper and gdm theme to showcase what FOSS graphics tools can do, but still keep happy those folks who like personalizing their desktop and don't agree with our style by leaving the rest plainer in comparison. I am even stronger: for now we should focus on a metaphor (along the lines of DNA and FlyingHigh), the rest is implementation detail. I can think of two potential next steps - 1) Let's start the theme concept 3-round process again. Let's nail down all the details right here ASAP so we can write up the announcement - what parts of the theme will be 'thematic' vs which will be toned down, and a schedule of how the round process will go. I propose that we basically announce that this go-round we are focusing mainly on the wallpaper and login designs to serve as the 'showcase' for the release's artwork, and the rest of the artwork (whatever the bootup process will entail, whether it be something new or grub/rhgb, and the installer/firstboot artwork) will be toned-down and less thematic. I am for focusing on the concept (metaphor), illustrated with just a single image (wallpaper), I think we can mentally extrapolate from it and have a good idea about how it work for the other elements. Punctually, I think we should stay with blue as the dominant color and agree about reducing the usage of the logo. 2) We should have a general discussion here on list to get our thoughts out on where F8's artwork could go. What desktop wallpaper are you using these days? Have you seen any cool ones lately? Seen any cool current Right now I am using the darker variant of FlyingHigh posted eralier on this list by Kelly: http://crystalsanctuary.rpgsource.net/dp_stuff/fedora/flyinghigh.jpg but this is something of the past, F8 has to be different. graphic design in general lately? Have an idea for a nice style we could use? Send it to the list and we can discuss and try to come up with a general style to push for. :) What kinds of feedback have you heard on the Fedora 7 theme? What have you heard about other distro's themes? Do we want to get into photomanip, 3d rendering, vector-based, or some combo of the three? I would wait to see the ideas to come and judge later which style of work fit it better. And we may expect the unexpected (like how Mola surprised everybody with his 3D take for DNA). Question: F7 changed the icon theme to Myst partly to match the blue of the rest of the desktop. We will do something similar in F8 or the opposite (do the desktop artwork to fit the icon theme). The same about Metacity. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com
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Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, I am at the beginning of the exams, so I have not much time left now for Fedora, yet I'll start working on Echo again in after I am done with the exams (hopefully)... I also have some comments and suggestions that fits into this thread. On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 20:03 +0200, Mark wrote: @ the school idea. i like that alot! +1 @ a possible new theme for F8 first i would like to say that a 3 round theme battle like with F7 would be nice +1 Who will start the first round? Next, our goal should be defining Fedora widget style and window manager style. We need to show users that we are Fedora, not just GNOME or KDE. That means, that we need to create new gtk/qt theme, possibly we could start with clearlooks, its really nice, and that we need metacity/kwm theme as well. And they should fit nice together, IMO the should not be too shiny or eye-candy, they should be decent and nice -- so that you will not get bored after using them for a few years ;-) There are tools available for making theme. Murrine engine, TheWidgetFactory to name a few. The real challenge is to make a very good theme that both combine elegance and usability. We should start by making some mockups and getting some support from Fedora Desktop team. I am closely watching the Sugar interface from OLPC project and looking to take some ideas for Fedora Artwork. Also, I was said, that the notification message window that is used e.g. for notifying user about available updates is horrible. So we should check, how much themable it is and prepare a theme for it, again that fits well to the rest of the desktop. True. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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i will TRY and make a theme how i like it. expect it to be tiny :) i will make a mockup as soon as i get home. i`m not certain if i`m capable of making a complete theme but if i can i will make it for KDE (time isn`t much of a issue with the upcomming vacation (2 1/2 months) expect a mockup here soon (today or within a few days) Who will start the first round? So yea if i`m the first who can actually show something with theming (not mocking up but really making it work in kde) than i would like to be the first one :) 2007/6/7, Luya Tshimbalanga [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi folks, I am at the beginning of the exams, so I have not much time left now for Fedora, yet I'll start working on Echo again in after I am done with the exams (hopefully)... I also have some comments and suggestions that fits into this thread. On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 20:03 +0200, Mark wrote: @ the school idea. i like that alot! +1 @ a possible new theme for F8 first i would like to say that a 3 round theme battle like with F7 would be nice +1 Who will start the first round? Next, our goal should be defining Fedora widget style and window manager style. We need to show users that we are Fedora, not just GNOME or KDE. That means, that we need to create new gtk/qt theme, possibly we could start with clearlooks, its really nice, and that we need metacity/kwm theme as well. And they should fit nice together, IMO the should not be too shiny or eye-candy, they should be decent and nice -- so that you will not get bored after using them for a few years ;-) There are tools available for making theme. Murrine engine, TheWidgetFactory to name a few. The real challenge is to make a very good theme that both combine elegance and usability. We should start by making some mockups and getting some support from Fedora Desktop team. I am closely watching the Sugar interface from OLPC project and looking to take some ideas for Fedora Artwork. Also, I was said, that the notification message window that is used e.g. for notifying user about available updates is horrible. So we should check, how much themable it is and prepare a theme for it, again that fits well to the rest of the desktop. True. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On 07/06/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you ever seen JDe's work on deviantart? I've been following her for a while, she does that style a lot. No, I haven't but I like some of them, especially http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/41350296/?qo=14q=by%3Ajdeqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps = it might be cool to have a mostly dark wallpaper with an area like this to give it depth but I don't know how well a photo wallpaper would work. http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/36901691/?qo=33q=by%3Ajdeqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps = 3d + vector style that was super popular a couple years back http://smashmethod.deviantart.com/gallery is all I have to say about that. - three with a similar theme, kind of remind me of moholy-nagy's works: http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/35595972/?qo=49q=by%3Ajdeqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/33555696/?qo=69q=by%3Ajdeqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/35744543/?qo=48q=by%3Ajdeqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps Thanks for those; these three get closer as they go IMHO, I would feel more comfortable with a wallpaper that isn't too ... rich? ... as it may then appeal to more people. I'm sure if some love that 3D/abstract/bold/OTT-design-wise stuff they have a good collection themselves, in which they could find one to fit. The last one there seems best as the subject is enough to make in interesting. I'm inclined to be safe with it as it'll be a big jump from the FlyingHigh to something like http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/42418188 in one go. It may seem from the outside that we haven't made up our minds with regard to our style. What about something like this, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37727936 as a more vector-style version /might/ work? -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Ben Arnold wrote: It may seem from the outside that we haven't made up our minds with regard to our style. Well I don't know if we should even have to 'make up our mind.' I think it's cool to have a different look each time, it keeps people guessing and like I mentioned earlier, I think it's a good platform for showing off what FOSS creative software can do. What about something like this, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37727936 as a more vector-style version /might/ work? Oh my goodness that's gorgeous. Actually everything in his gallery is :) wowowow :) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On 07/06/07, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I don't know if we should even have to 'make up our mind.' I think it's cool to have a different look each time, it keeps people guessing and like I mentioned earlier, I think it's a good platform for showing off what FOSS creative software can do. Whilst I agree that a range is always good, there must still be a tone set to match the product. A while ago (I don't have the references to hand) there were discussions about professional look of themes etc. which I feel should be more than a polished design. We have had black (4) light blue (5) dark blue (6) and now a very rich one (7) so if we create a orange one that has paint splashes, it might stand out a bit - in my opinion, not in a good way. The look should extend through releases to have a bit on continuity. If the Fedora logo and general colour scheme were rich red (ahem) or yellow, it would be the same if the next design were a pretty blue sky. I might just be a little reserved, though. What about something like this, http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37727936 as a more vector-style version /might/ work? Oh my goodness that's gorgeous. Actually everything in his gallery is :) wowowow :) Smashy rocks. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: OK, I quickly kicked a page in the wiki with content mostly copied/adapted from the F7 page and all dates put as TBD: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F8Themes Nicu, this is great! Thanks!!! I looked at the F8 release schedule and the calendar and came up with the following (somewhat aggressive, but if all goes well we'll have everything for the feature freeze deadline) schedule: - Round 1 deadline: Monday July 2nd - Any ideas that don't have a formal proposal on the mailing list + a proposal page linked off of the F8Themes wiki page will be out of the running at this point. - Round 2 deadline: Monday July 20th - Any ideas that don't have fully fleshed-out and polished artwork, at least 1 wallpaper and let's say 3 supporting graphics, will be out of the running at this point. - Round 3 deadline: Monday August 20th (F8 feature freeze) - Any ideas that don't have fully-polished and implemented versions of the following will be out of the running: - wallpaper - gdm theme - bootup artwork (whether it's the new system or RHGB graphics and grub screen) - installer artwork (splash, banner, and 15-color anaconda graphic) - firstboot artwork (splash, banner) If we really, really get stuck and end up with more than one really awesome theme by the round 3 deadline, we can always hold a vote of Fedora contributors similar to the F7 naming vote process. I'm hoping that it won't be necessary, though. If we don't have any completely finished to the specifications above by the deadline, we can dig in and work on the one that's closest to being complete at that point. Do these dates make sense? If so, would anybody object to me going ahead and announcing the F8 theme process? - I'm thinking a Fedora News announcement, here on this list + marketing + websites list, fedoraforum.org, and I can make a post on Fedora Planet as well. -- On a related note, I would also like to add some more milestones/deadlines to the process even though they aren't part of the theme selection process. Please tell me if you think I'm completely insane with these items deadlines. You see, I think we've gotten nipped by some of these, some very last minute, in previous releases :) So, we should just make a standard release-preparation process to prepare these materials ahead of time so the release goes more smoothly. Each of these could be on a site like our design queues, and folks could claim ownership of each to help get them done. Anyway, here's the milestones and dates I'm thinking of: - Milestone 4: Mon 10 Sept - concept discussion for F8 marketing materials on the marketing list. Come up with a standard tagline for the release the way we did Reach higher for the new static FPO website, and maybe some promo banner ideas as well. - Milestone 5: Mon 24 Sept - finalize artwork/design for F8 DVD/CD labels and sleeves. At least a professional-printer (eg screenprinting) ready version of each needs to be made of the labels - 3 or 4 colors at most. An additional set with more colors / more complex design could also be prepared for home users with inkjet printers. - Milestone 6: Mon 5 October - prepare a 'promo kit' for the release. This would be aimed towards Fedora ambassadors and other folks wanting to promote Fedora 8 at conferences/shows/gatherings during launch time. Include some standard screenshots folks can use, some printer-quality artwork (sources for the theme work would be great), and a link to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] site, all gathered in one page on the wiki for easy access. I've noticed we've gotten a lot of inquiries about these materials for F8 and were not prepared. Another idea for the kit: PDF informational sheet about the release with preliminary release notes (or information about the most compelling features being introduced in the release) and a couple screenshots. - Milestone 7: Mon 15 October - finalize fedoraproject.org promotional materials. Probably will consist of: (1) F8 tour with screenshots, (2) big promo banner for the front page of the site at launch time. Work with the websites and infrastructure teams to get a staging site set up and ready to go for the final release date. Maybe we will think again and include at least the graphics for the previous release by default to leave a bit of choice for the users +1 How about two version of the artwork, a basic one and a derivative of it for the final desktop, the derivative being on equal foot with other derivative distros can do? Well, I think the most visible 'hard to swap out' pieces are grub and rhgb, which we might not even be dealing with. I personally don't think it would be an issue to have more thematic artwork for anaconda and firstboot if there were more basic versions available to respinners to use. But maybe whatever bootup graphics we have should be more basic so that folks wanting to personalize their system don't have something that totally clashes with their personal style.
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Well I don't know if we should even have to 'make up our mind.' I think it's cool to have a different look each time, it keeps people guessing and like I mentioned earlier, I think it's a good platform for showing off what FOSS creative software can do. This is something I have on my mind for quite some time, so I may have already talked about it: just imagine back in FC6 we had knew the release will be named Zod, the possibilities of creating cool artwork tied with that theme... I know such tying is not possible because of the traditional game of setting the release name in the last minute and surprising the world with it. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Some unsorted thoughts to start a discussion about artwork for F8: - As most people will probably have noticed by now, Diana is longer with Red Hat, and it looks unlikely that we will have a full-time artist that can help with the artwork in time for F8. - Personally, I'd like to explore a somewhat different style of artwork for F8; something much less branded and image-based (maybe stripes :-) -- if only because the F7 artwork is pretty much at the top of the quality scale for this kind of heavily image-based, branded artwork (as the initial F7 reviews show), and will be hard to top... - The desktop team has started to work on improving the graphical boot (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup ). If we can land this for F8, it will will mean quite a few changes to what artwork is required for branding the boot (all for the better, less images and less awkward restrictions on image formats). It is however, blocking on kernel feature that we are currently not very confident to have in the F8 timeframe. - I haven't heard much about the status of the Echo icon theme lately; are you hoping to have this in good enough shape to become the default in F8 ? We also need to redo the experiment to include svns. Matthias ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Matthias Clasen wrote: Some unsorted thoughts to start a discussion about artwork for F8: - As most people will probably have noticed by now, Diana is longer with Red Hat, and it looks unlikely that we will have a full-time artist that can help with the artwork in time for F8. Do you think is the case for us to start a 3 round process similar with the one proposed for F7? - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes We can easily adapt it with dates following the F8 schedule. - Personally, I'd like to explore a somewhat different style of artwork for F8; something much less branded and image-based (maybe stripes :-) -- if only because the F7 artwork is pretty much at the top of the quality scale for this kind of heavily image-based, branded artwork (as the initial F7 reviews show), and will be hard to top... I agree about exploring a new style because I think we should bring something fresh in each release and because is fun to explore different styles. - The desktop team has started to work on improving the graphical boot (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup ). If we can land this for F8, it will will mean quite a few changes to what artwork is required for branding the boot (all for the better, less images and less awkward restrictions on image formats). It is however, blocking on kernel feature that we are currently not very confident to have in the F8 timeframe. We can focus on the overall style in the beginning and when the time comes to create the individual images (probably around F8T2 or even a little later) probably you will have a better idea about this blocker. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Do you think is the case for us to start a 3 round process similar with the one proposed for F7? - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes We can easily adapt it with dates following the F8 schedule. +1 I think this is a good idea. I agree with Matthias though and I think we should try to tone the style down a bit. We can come up with a theme concept collaboratively but I think when we actually create it, we should try to not be quite so literal with the artwork, and instead try for a bit more abstract and clean look for most of the theme. I do not think that it's a matter of being 'hard to top', though. I think especially for the artwork that is not easily changed by end users (wallpaper and GDM theme are easiest to swap out), we have to think about the artwork forcing a particular theme down user's throats when their tastes are quite different. E.g., there's balloons in grub, if I like a dark techno/shiny look for my system - well that's not going to really jive with the fun happy balloons I will have to see up until login ;-). It's not easy to switch those out. (I've seen quite a few complaints to this end on fedoraforum and on IRC.) We also want to make it easier for folks to remix and customize Fedora for redistribution. We will make this much more difficult for these folks if every nook and cranny of the OS has overly thematic artwork. Fedora is even more of an 'upstream' now. With those things in mind, a good approach I think could be to focus on the wallpaper and GDM and tone down the rest. We can still make a big impression and 'keep up the tradition' or whatever, and use the wallpaper and gdm theme to showcase what FOSS graphics tools can do, but still keep happy those folks who like personalizing their desktop and don't agree with our style by leaving the rest plainer in comparison. Another random idea - as each of us go through the process of actually implementing the artwork, if we took good notes we could write up a series of how-tos that would help folks who want to spin their own Fedora distros figure out how to customize the theme of their spin. We could even publish these in Red Hat Magazine under the Open Palette column that Nicu and I started. - Personally, I'd like to explore a somewhat different style of artwork for F8; something much less branded and image-based (maybe stripes :-) Heh ;) -- if only because the F7 artwork is pretty much at the top of the quality scale for this kind of heavily image-based, branded artwork (as the initial F7 reviews show), and will be hard to top... I agree about exploring a new style because I think we should bring something fresh in each release and because is fun to explore different styles. +1 I can think of two potential next steps - 1) Let's start the theme concept 3-round process again. Let's nail down all the details right here ASAP so we can write up the announcement - what parts of the theme will be 'thematic' vs which will be toned down, and a schedule of how the round process will go. I propose that we basically announce that this go-round we are focusing mainly on the wallpaper and login designs to serve as the 'showcase' for the release's artwork, and the rest of the artwork (whatever the bootup process will entail, whether it be something new or grub/rhgb, and the installer/firstboot artwork) will be toned-down and less thematic. 2) We should have a general discussion here on list to get our thoughts out on where F8's artwork could go. What desktop wallpaper are you using these days? Have you seen any cool ones lately? Seen any cool current graphic design in general lately? Have an idea for a nice style we could use? Send it to the list and we can discuss and try to come up with a general style to push for. :) What kinds of feedback have you heard on the Fedora 7 theme? What have you heard about other distro's themes? Do we want to get into photomanip, 3d rendering, vector-based, or some combo of the three? Does this sound reasonable? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Le Mer 6 juin 2007 17:20, Máirín Duffy a écrit : 2) We should have a general discussion here on list to get our thoughts out on where F8's artwork could go. Daring thought : have a non-blue wallpaper (blue is great but there are other colors too. Fedora theming have bordered on the monochrome those past releases) -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hey all, Nicu Buculei wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: Some unsorted thoughts to start a discussion about artwork for F8: - As most people will probably have noticed by now, Diana is longer with Red Hat, and it looks unlikely that we will have a full-time artist that can help with the artwork in time for F8. Do you think is the case for us to start a 3 round process similar with the one proposed for F7? - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes We can easily adapt it with dates following the F8 schedule. I think it's a good idea. Why not involve schools for example? I know a very nice info-graphic school in Brussels, I'll drop them a mail, maybe they are interested to help. - Personally, I'd like to explore a somewhat different style of artwork for F8; something much less branded and image-based (maybe stripes :-) -- if only because the F7 artwork is pretty much at the top of the quality scale for this kind of heavily image-based, branded artwork (as the initial F7 reviews show), and will be hard to top... I agree about exploring a new style because I think we should bring something fresh in each release and because is fun to explore different styles. - The desktop team has started to work on improving the graphical boot (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup ). If we can land this for F8, it will will mean quite a few changes to what artwork is required for branding the boot (all for the better, less images and less awkward restrictions on image formats). It is however, blocking on kernel feature that we are currently not very confident to have in the F8 timeframe. We can focus on the overall style in the beginning and when the time comes to create the individual images (probably around F8T2 or even a little later) probably you will have a better idea about this blocker. -- Marek MahutTel.: +420-532-294-111 (ex. 826-2046) Fedora Ambassador GSM: +420-731-076-674 http://www.fedoraproject.org http://www.jamendo.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi Marek! Marek Mahut wrote: I think it's a good idea. Why not involve schools for example? I know a very nice info-graphic school in Brussels, I'll drop them a mail, maybe they are interested to help. This is a good idea; the one thing I am concerned about is that the artwork is produced using FOSS tools like Inkscape, Gimp, and Blender. When promoting the theme development process to groups outside of Fedora as a way to get them involved in Fedora, I suggest that you emphasize the use of FOSS tools. Maybe this is far-fetched but I believe the artwork for Fedora should be used as a showcase to demonstrate what can be done with the tools available and shipped with Fedora. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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@ the school idea. i like that alot! @ a possible new theme for F8 first i would like to say that a 3 round theme battle like with F7 would be nice About the new theme itself.. i think fedora should drop the default gnome look and create a real theme... not that the current default themes (gnome/kde) are bad.. just that a completely different theme could be good for fedora. i personally would go for a soft and smooth theme. - The desktop team has started to work on improving the graphical boot (see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup ). If we can land this for F8, it will will mean quite a few changes to what artwork is required for branding the boot (all for the better, less images and less awkward restrictions on image formats). It is however, blocking on kernel feature that we are currently not very confident to have in the F8 timeframe. Did you ever tried PCLinuxOS? it`s a good looking operating system which is/was mandriva based. that os doesn`t have one single kernel (debug) message at boot and starts graphical. i think that`s something that fedora _needs_ and a faster (or smarter) init system. 2007/6/6, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Marek! Marek Mahut wrote: I think it's a good idea. Why not involve schools for example? I know a very nice info-graphic school in Brussels, I'll drop them a mail, maybe they are interested to help. This is a good idea; the one thing I am concerned about is that the artwork is produced using FOSS tools like Inkscape, Gimp, and Blender. When promoting the theme development process to groups outside of Fedora as a way to get them involved in Fedora, I suggest that you emphasize the use of FOSS tools. Maybe this is far-fetched but I believe the artwork for Fedora should be used as a showcase to demonstrate what can be done with the tools available and shipped with Fedora. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Matthias Clasen a écrit : - I haven't heard much about the status of the Echo icon theme lately; are you hoping to have this in good enough shape to become the default in F8 ? We also need to redo the experiment to include svns Few notes - SVG issues are fixed although some icons need rework i.e fast forward. - echo-pull script is broken when running on x86-64 system. ./echo_pull.py Traceback (most recent call last): File ./echo_pull.py, line 367, in module main() File ./echo_pull.py, line 335, in main parser.parse(icon_mapping_xml) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py, line 103, in parse source = saxutils.prepare_input_source(source) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxutils.py, line 524, in prepare_input_source f = urllib2.urlopen(source.getSystemId()) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 121, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 366, in open protocol = req.get_type() File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 241, in get_type raise ValueError, unknown url type: %s % self.__original ValueError: unknown url type: /usr/share/icon-naming-utils/legacy-icon-mapping.xml - Considering finding a better host for icons or improving the upload method for the wiki. - Work on echo icons is resuming now =) Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi folks, I am at the beginning of the exams, so I have not much time left now for Fedora, yet I'll start working on Echo again in after I am done with the exams (hopefully)... I also have some comments and suggestions that fits into this thread. On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 20:03 +0200, Mark wrote: @ the school idea. i like that alot! +1 @ a possible new theme for F8 first i would like to say that a 3 round theme battle like with F7 would be nice +1 About the new theme itself.. i think fedora should drop the default gnome look and create a real theme... not that the current default themes (gnome/kde) are bad.. just that a completely different theme could be good for fedora. i personally would go for a soft and smooth theme. strip Yep, I though about it. I like clearlooks, and I like it very much, but there is nothing of Fedora about it, and the default metacity theme is not that good. I think that we, the artwork group, should define the fedora look and feel completely. We should not restrict ourselves to Echo icons and cursors and wallpaper related artwork. I heard comments that Fedora 7 look is not bad, but its somehow incomplete, not unified. We need to improve that. Firstly, we need to improve the coverage of the Echo theme. The icons that are on the eyes of most of fedora users should be high priority. We should cover the icons used by the basic applications used in Fedora. Secondly, we need new wallpaper related artwork. I am for the three-round competition and smooth boot process with as little changing-of-screen's as possible. Next, our goal should be defining Fedora widget style and window manager style. We need to show users that we are Fedora, not just GNOME or KDE. That means, that we need to create new gtk/qt theme, possibly we could start with clearlooks, its really nice, and that we need metacity/kwm theme as well. And they should fit nice together, IMO the should not be too shiny or eye-candy, they should be decent and nice -- so that you will not get bored after using them for a few years ;-) Also, I was said, that the notification message window that is used e.g. for notifying user about available updates is horrible. So we should check, how much themable it is and prepare a theme for it, again that fits well to the rest of the desktop. I will repeat the main idea again: we need UNIFIED look in the default fedora artwork. That's what the users see in reviews and what they see after they install fedora, and what they see in Live CDs. We must focus on the unity a completeness. We must define the Fedora Artwork. When user see a screenshot with default artwork selected, he must know that it's Fedora. And to propose some less needed yet quite interesting and valuable projects, I would also suggest to to make Echo theme for themable apps used in Fedora, e.g. firefox or thunderbird (especially the latter´s Vista look fits really horrible to the rest of the Fedora desktop). And just my opinion about colours... well.. I really like Fedora blue and would stick to it. People have blue already connected with Fedora. And I think blue is the very colour that fits Fedora better. But, as was mentioned earlier by someone else, we should not overblueize it... :D Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Matthias Clasen a écrit : - I haven't heard much about the status of the Echo icon theme lately; are you hoping to have this in good enough shape to become the default in F8 ? We also need to redo the experiment to include svns. Few notes - SVG issues are fixed although some icons need rework i.e fast forward. - echo-pull script is broken when running on x86-64 system. ./echo_pull.py Traceback (most recent call last): File ./echo_pull.py, line 367, in module main() File ./echo_pull.py, line 335, in main parser.parse(icon_mapping_xml) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/expatreader.py, line 103, in parse source = saxutils.prepare_input_source(source) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxutils.py, line 524, in prepare_input_source f = urllib2.urlopen(source.getSystemId()) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 121, in urlopen return _opener.open(url, data) File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 366, in open protocol = req.get_type() File /usr/lib64/python2.5/urllib2.py, line 241, in get_type raise ValueError, unknown url type: %s % self.__original ValueError: unknown url type: /usr/share/icon-naming-utils/legacy-icon-mapping.xml - Considering finding a better host for icons or improving the upload method for the wiki. - Work on echo icons is resuming now =) Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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John Baer wrote: All, +1 to all of the comments on this thread. But we need to get some direction from Red Hat as it's my understanding Red Hat is the owner of the desktop artwork. I'm really pleased on how things are coming around as I see the preliminary F8 release schedule is already out! Mo, can you make an inquiry to the Red Hat desktop team as to what their desire is? Mathias Clasen who started this thread is part of the Red Hat Desktop team and has clearly outlined what the desire is. Did you miss that? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Marek! Hey Mo, Marek Mahut wrote: I think it's a good idea. Why not involve schools for example? I know a very nice info-graphic school in Brussels, I'll drop them a mail, maybe they are interested to help. This is a good idea; the one thing I am concerned about is that the artwork is produced using FOSS tools like Inkscape, Gimp, and Blender. When promoting the theme development process to groups outside of Fedora as a way to get them involved in Fedora, I suggest that you emphasize the use of FOSS tools. I'm afraid that this is the biggest problem. Many school are using windowz or macosx with photoshop. Maybe not because it's better, but because the school has a partnership with that big software vendor. I'm pretty sure that children are using pirated versions of those softwares at home :( Maybe this is far-fetched but I believe the artwork for Fedora should be used as a showcase to demonstrate what can be done with the tools available and shipped with Fedora. Maybe some virtual workshop? With demos? ~m -- Marek MahutTel.: +420-532-294-111 (ex. 826-2046) Fedora Ambassador GSM: +420-731-076-674 http://www.fedoraproject.org http://www.jamendo.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Mark wrote: [...] @ a possible new theme for F8 first i would like to say that a 3 round theme battle like with F7 would be nice [...] We should not forget about prices for winner(s). Fedora caps, tshirts, gadgets or maybe even a free sits in GLS classes. -- Marek MahutTel.: +420-532-294-111 (ex. 826-2046) Fedora Ambassador GSM: +420-731-076-674 http://www.fedoraproject.org http://www.jamendo.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 23:45 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: On the topic of the login screen, I forgot to mention that we are also considering switching to the plain greeter to improve the accessibility situation on the login screen. If we go forward with this idea, it would imply some changes to the themeability of the login screen. I talked to Brian Cameron a bit about GDM theme accessibility at the last Boston GNOME Summit, and from him I understood that only the positions of some of the buttons would have to be changed around and some buttons that are not currently displayed would have to be. But beyond that I don't see how making the GDM theme more accessible would necessarily change the themeability of the login screen? Changing to the plain greeter (you can try it out in gdmsetup) would mean theming by background image + whatever length we want to go to theme a regular gtk+ application, as opposed to the somewhat obscure and uncooperative canvas format of the themed greeter. The themed lock dialog and the F7 incarnation of rhgb are proof that this does not really restrict the extent to which the screen can be themed. Oh okay. Would it not be acceptable if a nice GDM theme was proposed that didn't use the plain greeter yet had all the necessary buttons and menu items to make it accessible? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Matthias Clasen wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 23:55 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Oh okay. Would it not be acceptable if a nice GDM theme was proposed that didn't use the plain greeter yet had all the necessary buttons and menu items to make it accessible? I don't necessarily agree with Brian's assessment that all thats needed for an accessible greeter is enough buttons and menu items. DavidZ can provide much more detail about the disadvantages of the themed greeter from an a11y perspective. Okay. I hope I'm not misrepresenting what he said, but it really didn't seem like it would be a problem accessibility-wise to use a themed greeter at the time is all. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
