Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
David Nielsen wrote: Well as it seems we have two potential violations something much have gone wrong, I suggested in another thread that we might supplement the policy with examples of things to avoid. I suspect short of requiring a full audit trail for all submissions with ample documentation we will always see these slip ups, humans being fallable and all, but we might be able to minimize them by giving good examples of things to consider before submission. The human mind is apt to not thinking through all the scenerios that might create problems so helping it along is probably a good idea - sort of a "before you submit your work, did you check a,b,c,d". Well, I propose a simple guideline: "Don't like. When people ask about the source of your work, be honest and tell the truth." That would have solved all of our problems *weeks* ago, but I think it is common-sense and we should not have to have this as a written guideline. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
2008/9/23 Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > David Nielsen wrote: > >> >> I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be >> written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the >> future. >> > > I don't understand. This is the case today. We've had a clearly written > policy on our wiki page for at least a year now, and anyone submitting > anything to the wiki has agreed to the CLA. > > What next steps would you suggest here? Well as it seems we have two potential violations something much have gone wrong, I suggested in another thread that we might supplement the policy with examples of things to avoid. I suspect short of requiring a full audit trail for all submissions with ample documentation we will always see these slip ups, humans being fallable and all, but we might be able to minimize them by giving good examples of things to consider before submission. The human mind is apt to not thinking through all the scenerios that might create problems so helping it along is probably a good idea - sort of a "before you submit your work, did you check a,b,c,d". - David ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
David Nielsen wrote: I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the future. I don't understand. This is the case today. We've had a clearly written policy on our wiki page for at least a year now, and anyone submitting anything to the wiki has agreed to the CLA. What next steps would you suggest here? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
2008/9/23 Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi folks, > > Since it is now clear we have some licensing issues with at least one of > the candidates for the theme, I would like to hear your thoughts on what we > should do. Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our > call to decide what to do next. > > Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: > > 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place > winner will win > > 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) > wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones > > 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed > photo source references for. > > For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: > > I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that > as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While > I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot > understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake > sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) > and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any > way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, > it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. > > As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand > this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview > release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for > a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. > > I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to > replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work > to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need > grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) > > I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are > not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to > repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central > as the katana photo in invinXble. I would favor option 2 with the understanding that a proper policy be written and must be agreed upon when submitting artwork for Fedora in the future. This way we do not lose the two most developed themes this late in the game and we still get to correct the problem. This at least would be similar to what we have done in other parts of the distro when such unfortunate issues have arisen. - David ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Policy on works using unacceptable licenses?
Hi folks, Since it is now clear we have some licensing issues with at least one of the candidates for the theme, I would like to hear your thoughts on what we should do. Since the vote is in art team members' hands I think it's our call to decide what to do next. Here are the options as I see them and/or as have been suggested to me: 1 - disqualify invinXble as a theme, even if invinXble wins, the 2nd-place winner will win 2 - if invinXble (or any theme that has photos we aren't able to source) wins, replace any sourced photographs in it with properly-licensed ones 3 - disqualify any themes that use images we cannot find properly-licensed photo source references for. For what it's worth, anyway, here are my thoughts: I've considered option 1 because I think it would make it quite clear that as a team we can not and will not tolerate risks to Fedora's freedom. While I can understand an accidental slip-up or misunderstanding, I cannot understand deception taken to this degree over time (posting multiple fake sources, 'cover ups' in the source files, repeated denials, broken promises) and I don't want us to look as if we endorse that kind of behavior in any way. If invinXble ends up being the default for Fedora, at least for myself, it would be a continual reminder of this deception even if it was repaired. As for option 2, I have offered to do the work needed but I also understand this may be quite some work and we *cannot* slip and miss the preview release. It's may need to involve me going to Boston Museum of Fine Arts for a katana shoot... Consider this the 'making lemonade out of lemons' option. I don't know if 3 is really a viable option; it will be a lot of work to replace source photos we aren't sure of, but it will also be a lot of work to expand the other two themes to a final state. (both Neon and Grub need grub and syslinux designs and overall refinement.) I do think that in their current state, inviXble and potentially Solar are not acceptable for inclusion in Fedora. I think Solar will be easier to repair than invinXble. The moon photo in Solar is not as visible and central as the katana photo in invinXble. ~m [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
