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Yep, Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... More.. I think for this version we have to dare to use some strong - high impact visual. Sir & Miss this is the 10 version, if we mess this oppurnity we have to wait for the 100... :D maybe too long I think :D Dare, Dare & Dare. Samuele Ps: InvinXle is my favorite one... yes. ;) - Messaggio originale - Da: "David Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Lunedì, 22 settembre 2008 13:23:10 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Den 22. sep. 2008 10.07 skrev Marco Mornati < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > : Hi, I read all comment on French Forum... Just a point... I noticed that there are some "problems" to have a Katana on a desktop and there were a propose to change with something like bamboo... I think that a substitution of katana with something different (different than an arms) change also the meaning of the "invinxible theme"... I'm also in agreement with vote with solar and invinxible in the first two positions! ;) Invinxible is by far the nicest theme in my opinion. I don't really see a problem with having a nice katana on the desktop, the katana when invented was a marvel of technology, like Fedora is today. I have showed the invinxible theme to many people and not one has replied negatively in any way, artistically or as a result of offence over the motive. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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U can exclaim exactly what do u want. "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. U wanna Win? I don't care a damn to Win, wanna see Gears everywhere? Use ur work no prob. We are here Again and again argumenting on my work. With this last mail I close up. Do wath u wanna do but don't try to make it real. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 14:27:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: > Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES > But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I > will say it. > > The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. > > Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" > The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most > similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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David... Yes I admit... I stoled it. Say to your friend that now he can come to me to get back his own katana. :D Thanks Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: "David Nielsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 14:41:48 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community 2008/9/23 Nicu Buculei < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Samuele Storari wrote: Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES But the desktop was created by USING free source and this is the last time I will say it. The Hattory Hanzo katana is a katana u know a katana. Katana is for most similar: Trying to hod myself from exclaiming "no shit?" And yet.. The Hilt AGAIN is not the hattory hanzo hilt cos as u can see is for most similar to other thousand katana's hilt. What can I say? rotate the image 180 degrees and the resemblance is, uh..., uncanny: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/invinxible.ogv ...it surprises you that an iconic image of a katana which he already admitted to using as inspiration contains a katana of a similar design.. when katanas are pretty much the same, I mean it looks exactly like the replica my friend has hanging on his wall as well, will you accuse him of stealing that as well? ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: Yep, Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... I do have an issue with Fedora being represented with a weapon and I've seen other feedback to this effect in IRC and I believe on this list. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. -klaatu On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Máirín Duffy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Samuele Storari wrote: > >> Yep, >> >> Everyone who saw invinXble doesn't say nothing negative for the katana... >> > > I do have an issue with Fedora being represented with a weapon and I've > seen other feedback to this effect in IRC and I believe on this list. > > ~m > > ___ > Fedora-art-list mailing list > Fedora-art-list@redhat.com > http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list > -- --- uzu linukso. subtenu libera programaro. kotizu al http://www.thebadapples.info/ogg.xml http://www.thebadapples.info/fedorareloaded/ogg.xml ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Klaatu wrote: I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Honestly I can't see the problem. In round 1, as Samuele said, there was a question about "the origin" of katana (all "sword" look like a peace of iron with an handle) and there was a discussion about it... Samuele posted a photo to shown the "start point" of his image... and you (I don't know who... but someone) have decided to go ahead also with Invixble! In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all "probations" about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. I'm not in agreement with this decision... but I think this is a "stupid discussion" during the FINAL vote after all themes was selected for final round! Bye Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: U can exclaim exactly what do u want. "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" U use the round 1 image. Other? U know what's the problem? Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's license policies personally. Please don't. Since the first round u try to push my works down. InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago but I made all u request to continue work. Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. What are you talking about? Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. Collaboration is a great word. Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little test, nothing. And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is two-way. I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?!! We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, but where's the 3rd round of gears? Where're something new? I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar and wanted it to win. I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is only a fake contest. I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of vinegar today aren't you? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Marco Mornati wrote: In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all "probations" about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > > I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar > and wanted it to win. Me too... I can't vote but I'm happy to read this! :) Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:35 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Marco Mornati wrote: > > In this moment there is again the same question about Katana in the > > photo... I think you if you are not sure (also with all "probations" > > about katana) you have to STOP the vote over that theme. > > If invixble wins, and there is still a question over the licensing of > the katana image, I will re-make the artwork if necessary. > > ~m Ok thanks for the answer Máirín... For me was so strange the decision to have an image "not creative commons" in the final round! As I said yesterday... maybe what many people said over fedora forum (specially in french one): "I don't want an arm on my desktop" shown that there is also another problem around that theme... Marco -- Dott. Ing. Mornati Marco Byte-Code s.r.l via Antonio Cechov, 1 San Giuliano Milanese (MI) E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Hi Marco, Marco Mornati wrote: Ok thanks for the answer Máirín... For me was so strange the decision to have an image "not creative commons" in the final round! I was unaware the image wasn't properly licensed as again, it had been brought up earlier and Samuele assured us he would replace it. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On Tue, 2008-09-23 at 09:33 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: > Samuele Storari wrote: > > U can exclaim exactly what do u want. > > > > "Part of my idea come from part of that image. YES" > > U use the round 1 image. > > > > Other? > > U know what's the problem? > > Yes, I do know what the problem is: you appear to be taking Fedora's > license policies personally. > > Please don't. Yes, remember that the Fedora stance on freedom is there to make sure that anyone who receives Fedora can also modify and redistribute it to others. If our content violates that precept, it means we've failed our users. I'm sure that Samuele doesn't want that to happen. If he can use his actual photo or some other free element to replace the katana in the image, there's not a problem. (There is the question of the images hosted on the Fedora wiki that include this non-free stuff, but we can handle that separately.) > > Since the first round u try to push my works down. > > InvinXble, Solar as same, everyday every single day since some months ago > > but I made all u request to continue work. > > Where's the problem? U talk about work togheter? > > Yes! U work togheter to don't let me work. > > What are you talking about? Yeah, I don't get this at all. I *love* Solar and have been saying that since it was first introduced! > > Nobody except for the great guy using my work for the plymouth screen try > > to collaborate, I do my best really, really my best. > > Collaboration is a great word. > > Nothing nobody do nothing for my proposals, a banner, a test, a little > > test, nothing. > > And you did NOTHING on anyone else's proposals either. Collaboration is > two-way. > > I actually did do some work on Solar because I liked it, but you seemed > to get extremely offended when I asked how you created part of the image > when I was working with it so I backed off and never posted my work. > > > I have only criticisms on my works strange kind of collaboration. > > Wow, this mailing list and all the forums are filled with praise for > your themes, yet you are unsatisfied?!! > > > We have to create something in 3 round to partecipate to the final voting, > > but where's the 3rd round of gears? > > Where're something new? > > I worked on gears. I decided to stop working on it because I liked Solar > and wanted it to win. > > > I keep my mouth shut up to don't exclaim: no shit. :D > > The problem isn't my work, the problem is that never been a contest, it is > > only a fake contest. > > I'm sorry, I find this extremely offensive as well. You are full of > vinegar today aren't you? Let's all take a moment to cool down a bit. Samuele, maybe we haven't done a good job explaining all the requirements for free art in Fedora, or why we have those requirements. I'd be happy to help explain that further if it doesn't make sense to you. Or if there's something you disagree on, let's talk about it. Honestly, there's only a few things that need to happen: * Replace any non-free elements with free ones. Really, the original artist should take the opportunity to do this rather than have the task fall on others. But there's no reason it can't be a team effort if Samuele asks for help. * Fix the wiki to remove any non-free stuff, with an appropriate note of explanation. * It would be nice if we knew the actual source of the image instead of guessing. What if it's actually free, and we just don't know it because we don't know the source? Until then, we have to assume it's not, of course. -- Paul W. Frields (Sorry to open the can of worms this morning.) gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://paul.frields.org/ - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Cheers Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: > I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being > swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an > issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different > sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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sstorari *claimed* that he had remade the photo cos he had remade the photo. If u take a look in the source before write something u can see that the problem was solved creatin' the blade from 0. I think it's clear this sword is totally a patchwork of various level created. Just take a look to the level "Blade_White Copy" as u can see this piece was totally fake. Created by using the clone tool, in fact u see it's totally the same in every part. It was created by taken a first part from the photo and than manipuleted. As for other parts. The Hilt was totally reworked using dodge/burn tool and other "effect" of photomanipulation but u know they don't create new layer. So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Cheers Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 9:01:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Klaatu wrote: > I am not clear, is this to be the final katana or is it still being > swapped out with a newly photographed one? I recall there being an > issue with licensing, and thought we would be seeing a different > sword...but maybe I missed the thread in which all of this was solved. Honestly, I have some doubts about hat: sstorari *claimed* he remade the image using his own (Free) photo as a base and he posted the reference photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ While it looks pretty much like a katana (just like the photos used previously), the sword in the photo is not at the same angle as the sword in the wallpaper (so the hilt looks different), which make me have some doubts. But I am known to be paranoid. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til the last day to make a "new" question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998&postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: So just a little question: If u can't do something, it means that it can't be done? I find this presumption extremely offensive. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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- Messaggio originale - Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers." Inviato: Martedì, 23 settembre 2008 12:42:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community Samuele Storari wrote: > > Sorry, but I'm a lil sick to try to defend my work everyday and u wait til > the last day to make a "new" question? Well, Klaatu asked and I answered to the best of my knowledge. Yes, but the leave out the sarcasm. we don't need it :D We don't need too to continue in this useless argument. I think both have understand. I have not waited until the last day, this is something I said all along, see [1], but didn't make much fuss about it as the most likely scenario is that *Solar* will be used in F10 and the license of InvinXible will not matter that much. [1] - http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1081998&postcount=67 -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
