Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 00:52 +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote:
> It could be usable? 
> issue #1: the day version is too enlighted for the desktop.
> issue #2: how to get blue on this wallpaper?

What about turning it into a blueprint?

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

2009/2/20 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams 

>
>
> >> What about turning it into a blueprint?
>
>
>
...like this?

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup_2.jpg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup_2.jpg


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Paolo Leoni wrote:

This is a very simple mockup for F11 wallpaper (day/night version):

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup.jpg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup.jpg

It's a simple modification of the "world chart" posted on the wiki.

It could be usable?
issue #1: the day version is too enlighted for the desktop.


Just decrease the saturation and it may be better. I found the night 
version a bit too dark.



issue #2: how to get blue on this wallpaper?


I struggled with the same problem when trying a "steampunk" concept for 
10 (quite a lot similar with this map).


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Paolo Leoni wrote:

2009/2/20 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

 >> What about turning it into a blueprint?

...like this?

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup_2.jpg 

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup_2.jpg 



That's the idea, but try a different type of blue, more like 
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=blueprint


PS: and watch that nasty HTML email, as it allows you to insert bad links.

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Nicu Buculei wrote:

Paolo Leoni wrote:

This is a very simple mockup for F11 wallpaper (day/night version):

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup.jpg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup.jpg

It's a simple modification of the "world chart" posted on the wiki.

It could be usable?
issue #1: the day version is too enlighted for the desktop.


Just decrease the saturation and it may be better. 


Duh! Sometime I should use more words... I think is preferable to have a 
more desaturated look, this is supposed to be *old paper*, with the 
colors washed-down (desaturated).


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Thomas Kole]

Nicu Buculei schreef:

Paolo Leoni wrote:

2009/2/20 Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams

 >> What about turning it into a blueprint?

...like this?

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup_2.jpg 

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup_2.jpg 



That's the idea, but try a different type of blue, more like 
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=blueprint

What about this?

http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-113517087

PS: i dont know a lot about licences, so i uploaded it at DA with a CC 
licence...


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Thomas Kole wrote:

Nicu Buculei schreef:


That's the idea, but try a different type of blue, more like 
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=blueprint

What about this?

http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-113517087


Yes, this is more like a blueprint is supposed to look. Not sure how 
good it is from an usability point of view (for me the white is a bit 
too bright, but that's me).


PS: i dont know a lot about licences, so i uploaded it at DA with a CC 
licence...


Sorry for the lecture...

There are two kind of CC licenses: Free ones (good) and non-Free (bad). 
You used "Noncommercial", which is non-Free, read more about acceptable 
licenses here:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Content_Licenses

And you based your work on an original licensed as CC-BY (Attribution), 
so in the dA post you should have mentioned something along the lines 
of: based on a design by Norman B. Leventhal 
(http://flickr.com/photos/normanbleventhalmapcenter/2709980753/)


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams]

On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 12:32 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Thomas Kole wrote:
> > Nicu Buculei schreef:
> >>
> >> That's the idea, but try a different type of blue, more like 
> >> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=blueprint
> > What about this?
> > 
> > http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-113517087
> 
> Yes, this is more like a blueprint is supposed to look. Not sure how 
> good it is from an usability point of view (for me the white is a bit 
> too bright, but that's me).

I think the problem is that the lines are a bit too diffuse. A bit of
fiddling with the curves should fix that.

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Paolo,

Is it just me? I can't view any of your image links. They redirect to 
"http://im.altervista.org/void.gif"; which is blank.  :(

Can you upload them to the wiki?

~m


From: Paolo Leoni 

http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup_2.jpg
http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup_2.jpg


  

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

@nicu
I've decreased saturation on day version, maybe there's still too much
light.

@Thomas Kole
Your version is interesting...

@Mo
I've uploaded the mockups on the wiki at
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork.


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Thomas Kole]

what about making one by yourselve?
Just a concept...

http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-2-113526429

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Thomas Kole wrote:

what about making one by yourselve?
Just a concept...

http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-2-113526429


Making a new one by yourself is a good idea, only that your image look 
(to me) modern. It does not tell "Leonidas" to me.


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paul W. Frields]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 11:32:09AM +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
> Nicu Buculei wrote:
>> Paolo Leoni wrote:
>>> This is a very simple mockup for F11 wallpaper (day/night version):
>>>
>>> http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-day_mockup.jpg
>>> http://pleoni.altervista.org/f11-wallpaper-night_mockup.jpg
>>>
>>> It's a simple modification of the "world chart" posted on the wiki.
>>>
>>> It could be usable?
>>> issue #1: the day version is too enlighted for the desktop.
>>
>> Just decrease the saturation and it may be better. 
>
> Duh! Sometime I should use more words... I think is preferable to have a  
> more desaturated look, this is supposed to be *old paper*, with the  
> colors washed-down (desaturated).

Also, with a lot of lines and heavy contrast, the wallpaper gets more
confusing to my eyes when I'm trying to find icons on my desktop.  I
think that was something that you (Nicu) were trying to address when
you mentioned desaturation, right?

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Máirín Duffy]

(sorry for all the top posting lately btw, it's the web client i have to use)

I like the night version of the wallpaper though. I think the day one is too 
busy to be a good background. Maybe if the day one was desaturated a bit so it 
didn't have as much contrast? Either way, we could certainly include it as a 
wallpaper in the bundle that comes installed if we decide it's not Leonidas 
enough. It does have a nautical theme so I do think it would be appropriate, 
although we had already agreed some weeks ago we wanted to focus on the Greek 
and not the nautical aspects of Leonidas.

~m



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> Subject: Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal
> 
> Thomas Kole wrote:
> > what about making one by yourselve?
> > Just a concept...
> > 
> > http://dilopho-dd.deviantart.com/art/F11-map-wallpaper-2-113526429
> 
> Making a new one by yourself is a good idea, only that your image look (to 
> me) 
> modern. It does not tell "Leonidas" to me.



  

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

2009/2/20 Máirín Duffy 

> >>It does have a nautical theme so I do think it would be appropriate,
> although we had already agreed some weeks ago we >>wanted to focus on the
> Greek and not the nautical aspects of Leonidas.
>
>
Ok, sorry for my little o.t. :-)
Follow a simple greek-related idea...it could be useful like a "basis"?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11-wallpaper-day-deepsky-mockup3.jpg

The original image was downloaded from here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parthenon_from_west.jpg
The license seems to be compatible with "fedora using"...if I don't have a
mistake.

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Nicu Buculei]

Paolo Leoni wrote:


Follow a simple greek-related idea...it could be useful like a "basis"?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11-wallpaper-day-deepsky-mockup3.jpg


I think is a bit too simplistic to go with a photo converted to 
grayscale and then colorized blue.


Also, it was discussed a few weeks ago that we don't want to go with jut 
a ruin and send the wrong message about Fedora being a ruin. If we are 
going to use some ruins, they have to be accompanied by other elements, 
like growing vegetation and such.


The original image was downloaded from here: 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Parthenon_from_west.jpg
The license seems to be compatible with "fedora using"...if I don't have 
a mistake.


The license is fine (PD), but IMO the photo is not that great: it has 
very aggressive JPEG compression resulting in a very noisy background 
and the framing do not allow for wide screen cropping (we would have to 
cut from important parts of the image).


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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

>
> I think is a bit too simplistic to go with a photo converted to grayscale
> and then colorized blue.
>
> Also, it was discussed a few weeks ago that we don't want to go with jut a
> ruin and send the wrong message about Fedora being a ruin. If we are going
> to use some ruins, they have to be accompanied by other elements, like
> growing vegetation and such.
>
> The license is fine (PD), but IMO the photo is not that great: it has very
> aggressive JPEG compression resulting in a very noisy background and the
> framing do not allow for wide screen cropping (we would have to cut from
> important parts of the image).
>

Right...I'll go with an other stuff...thank you anyway for your feedbacks.

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

I've a new proposal for you...

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11-wallpaper-deepsky-mockup5.jpg

The background photo was taken at "Thermopylae", the place of historical
battle with Leonidas and Spartans.
Maybe It would be better a more stylized background...and what about for a
spartan shield instead the helmet?

An other idea can be a simple background, with a spartan shield as the main
subject. It's a big rounded shield with a "Lambda" on front, the "L" greek
letter.



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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Máirín Duffy]

Hi Paolo,

>https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11-wallpaper-deepsky-mockup5.jpg

Could you provide us the source image information (url, license, etc) for the 
images you've got here? I do like the landscape but it seems maybe like it's 
not wide enough horizontally?

~m



  

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paolo Leoni]

2009/2/23 Máirín Duffy 

>
>
> >>Could you provide us the source image information (url, license, etc) for
> the images you've got here? I do like the landscape >>but it seems maybe
> like it's not wide enough horizontally?
>
>
I downloaded the helmet image here:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg
and for the landscape, this is the source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thermopylae_ancient_coastline_large.jpg

For both, licenses seems to be ok.

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Re: F11 wallpaper mockup proposal

[Paul W. Frields]

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:59:47AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote:
> 2009/2/23 Máirín Duffy 
> 
> >
> >
> > >>Could you provide us the source image information (url, license, etc) for
> > the images you've got here? I do like the landscape >>but it seems maybe
> > like it's not wide enough horizontally?
> >
> >
> I downloaded the helmet image here:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ancient_Greek_helmet.jpg.jpg
> and for the landscape, this is the source:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thermopylae_ancient_coastline_large.jpg
> 
> For both, licenses seems to be ok.

Paolo, if they're not already there, please put these details in the
page with the artwork so we can reference it later.  Thanks very much!

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