Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-04 Thread Nicu Buculei

Daniel Geiger wrote:

Hi,
I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme 
(Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the 
default Gnome sounds).  What would it take to do so?


To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a 
new sound theme.
The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, 
working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and 
experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost 
money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in 
Linux/FOSS.


Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see 
Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I 
believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by 


OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some 
more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their 
spare time. Is a problem of manpower.
And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for 
Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized 
version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters 
of a renewed Bluecurve).


default, AFAIK).  Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly 
integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that?


And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done 
upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better 
with every new release.


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Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-04 Thread Mark


To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a
new sound theme.
The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably,
working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and
experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost
money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in
Linux/FOSS.



i'm willing
sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here you
can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of effects and
instruments. i don't know what program can do that for windows or linux
(they exist.. i just don't know them).


2007/7/4, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Daniel Geiger wrote:
 Hi,
 I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme
 (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the
 default Gnome sounds).  What would it take to do so?

To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a
new sound theme.
The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably,
working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and
experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost
money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in
Linux/FOSS.

 Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see
 Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I
 believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by

OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some
more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their
spare time. Is a problem of manpower.
And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for
Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized
version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters
of a renewed Bluecurve).

 default, AFAIK).  Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly
 integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that?

And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done
upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better
with every new release.

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Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 08:36 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote:
 Daniel Geiger wrote:
  Hi,
  I think it would be very good to have a unique Fedora sound theme 
  (Ubuntu has one of its own, one that seems very polished compared to the 
  default Gnome sounds).  What would it take to do so?
 
 To put it simply: we don't have yet contributors able and wiling to a 
 new sound theme.
 The bunch of us here are mostly skilled with graphics. And arguably, 
 working on sounds has a higher barrier to entry: on top of skill and 
 experience you need also some hardware and software, the hardware cost 
 money and the software for sound processing is not very well present in 
 Linux/FOSS.
 

I have quite good skill in playing musical instruments... but never
composed anything - especially not desktop music. Fugue would be
easier :-D But anyway, I think, for creating good music/sound you need
not good software/hardware. Just pencil, paper, musical instrument,
skill and decent microphone... Audacity can do the rest ;-) I hope we'll
eventually find one to do the sound theme, but probably we should focus
now rather on graphics related things...

  Also, if there are not plans already for this, I would like to see 
  Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo icon theme enabled by default (I 
  believe again, Ubuntu has something like that, only not installed by 
 
 OpenOffice.org need a very large number of icons, Firefox also need some 
 more icons and only a few people work on Echo, all of them in their 
 spare time. Is a problem of manpower.
 And we are somewhat split in the opinion *if* Echo is the future for 
 Fedora (for example, there is a number of supporters for a personalized 
 version of Tango, just like Ubuntu do and a small number of supporters 
 of a renewed Bluecurve).
 

In case of Firefox I started a theme some months ago, but I stopped
doing it since I switched from firefox to epiphany, I was not much
skilled in the theme creation (i.e. I was not well acquainted with the
theme settings, subfolders, etc.), was a bit short of time, and Echo
wasn't complete enough. I can post somewhere what I did so far, but the
graphic part would need to be updated (to fit the current Echo, and I
had it without shadows) and not all was done. If there is anyone
interested just ask :)

  default, AFAIK).  Another Firefox/OpenOffice wish, they don't exactly 
  integrate as well with gtk; is there any way to fix that?
 
 And the integration would be even lower without the hard work done 
 upstream by a number of Red Hat developers. The integration is better 
 with every new release.
 

I am hoping for the best. Yet meanwhile, if we create Fedora gtk theme
(and if it would be chosen as default), we could do the firefox theme to
fit the rest of Fedora as well (including widgets)... But it's a hack -
i.e. if user switches to some other theme/icons, the firefox will remain
same (one of the reasons I switched to epiphany).

Just my 2 cents,
Martin


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Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-04 Thread Mark

yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that?

2007/7/4, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]:




 i'm willing
 sadly not capable. unless you/anyone else knows of a application here
 you can MAKE your own sounds. not just a piano but with all kind of
 effects and instruments. i don't know what program can do that for
 windows or linux (they exist.. i just don't know them).


IMHO, it's not necessary to make effects. Music was meant from its
beginning to symbolise actions/states/feelings - instrumental music. Its
late fashion that it does it through effects/words. We could distinguish
Fedora from other distros by making a sound theme that would be
completely instrumental - no effects. That is possible yet hard - needs
a lot of talent and a lot of invention. And for instrumental music linux
have all we need.

Martin


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Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-04 Thread Martin Sourada
On Wed, 2007-07-04 at 22:52 +0200, Mark wrote:
 yea.. but than again.. what program can we use for that?
 
Er... any program that can capture sound from microphone... But, I just
went through the fedora lists and noticed list called fedora-music-list
[1]. There were several times mentioned an app called ardour [2]. Looks
promising, but I completely dunno how to work with jack audio, so I had
no success running it (but I didn't tried much)...

Martin

References:
[1] http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-music-list
[2] http://www.ardour.org/



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Re: Fedora 8 theme requests

2007-07-03 Thread Kelly
On Tuesday, July 03, 2007 4:51 pm Daniel Geiger wrote:
 I would like to see Firefox and OpenOffice have an Echo
 icon theme enabled by default (I believe again, Ubuntu has something like
 that, only not installed by default, AFAIK)

Ubuntu uses the Tango Project theme as a base for its icon theme, which gives 
them a slight advantage; that being, they don't have to do each and every 
icon themselves.  Most of them are already done.

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