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Samuele Storari wrote: Yes, the katana comes from different pictures. Here u can find all materials creative commons licensed: From the 4 images, 3 are free (CC-BY-SA) and another non-Free (CC-BY-NC). Not all the CC licenses are equal and some of them are not Free. 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/77151317/sizes/l/ 2) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/17376620/sizes/o/ 3) http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterjr1961/2655204586/sizes/l/ The one above (by peterjr1961) is non-Free. 4) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/149727039/sizes/l/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Damn! So for the final version i'll substitute this photo with one of the my katana, with my camera, so we'll sure that it'll totally free. Cheers. Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 10:24:00 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Samuele Storari wrote: Yes, the katana comes from different pictures. Here u can find all materials creative commons licensed: From the 4 images, 3 are free (CC-BY-SA) and another non-Free (CC-BY-NC). Not all the CC licenses are equal and some of them are not Free. 1) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/77151317/sizes/l/ 2) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/17376620/sizes/o/ 3) http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterjr1961/2655204586/sizes/l/ The one above (by peterjr1961) is non-Free. 4) http://www.flickr.com/photos/renfield/149727039/sizes/l/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Sorry, but I think in this case, an illustration will not work for this subject. :D Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Luya Tshimbalanga [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 10:39:03 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Perhaps doing an illustrated version of katana might do the trick. This example[1] may allow artist to make some variation on the hamon. Luya Reference: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Katana_(common_shema).png ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: Sorry, but I think in this case, an illustration will not work for this subject. Yeah, all the beauty of this theme proposal is its realistic look (remember how at the beginning I wondered if it is made with Blender?) - Messaggio originale - Da: Luya Tshimbalanga Perhaps doing an illustrated version of katana might do the trick. This example[1] may allow artist to make some variation on the hamon. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: Yes, the katana comes from different pictures. Here u can find all materials creative commons licensed: Wow, this is great! We do have to make sure somewhere on the inviXible page you give peterjr1961 credit and link back to his flickr page but other than that this is good news. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Samuele Storari wrote: Yes, the katana comes from different pictures. Here u can find all materials creative commons licensed: Wow, this is great! Oh wah, I spoke too soon and I just noticed Nicu's email, we can't use this one as he said: http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterjr1961/2655204586/ Can you talk to peterjr1961 and see if he'd be willing to open it up? Creative Commons works have to be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA only to be compatible with Fedora. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 -ND and -NC can't be allowed unfortunately. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Samuele Storari wrote: Yes, the katana comes from different pictures. Here u can find all materials creative commons licensed: Wow, this is great! We do have to make sure somewhere on the inviXible page you give peterjr1961 credit and link back to his flickr page but other than that this is good news. Is good with peterjr1961 releasing as CC-BY-NC? He also should credit the other guy, renfield. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Creative Commons works have to be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA only to be compatible with Fedora. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 -ND and -NC can't be allowed unfortunately. According to that page, Fedora is also OK with -ND, even the this is not considered Free by FSF, only -NC is forbidden (but it is a good thing to avoid -ND, something like Samuele's derivation would not permitted by -ND). Speaking of -ND, the only place where I think it may fit is the Wallpaper Extras gallery, for photos, but even there is makes things more complicated, so it is not forbidden but not recommended either. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Creative Commons works have to be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA only to be compatible with Fedora. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 -ND and -NC can't be allowed unfortunately. According to that page, Fedora is also OK with -ND, even the this is not considered Free by FSF, only -NC is forbidden (but it is a good thing to avoid -ND, something like Samuele's derivation would not permitted by -ND). Speaking of -ND, the only place where I think it may fit is the Wallpaper Extras gallery, for photos, but even there is makes things more complicated, so it is not forbidden but not recommended either. Note that the licensing list is not based on just the art project requirements. ND may be good enough for things like game content. If art work project wants to only permit content which allows derivative work, that's a choice they have. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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So it would be ok, if I link back to that photo, and (maybe) the artist release the photo? Other choice less complicated as I said before, I will do a photo to my own katana and use it? What about the poster? Noone said me something... :( :D Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 14:17:16 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Máirín Duffy wrote: Creative Commons works have to be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA only to be compatible with Fedora. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 -ND and -NC can't be allowed unfortunately. According to that page, Fedora is also OK with -ND, even the this is not considered Free by FSF, only -NC is forbidden (but it is a good thing to avoid -ND, something like Samuele's derivation would not permitted by -ND). Speaking of -ND, the only place where I think it may fit is the Wallpaper Extras gallery, for photos, but even there is makes things more complicated, so it is not forbidden but not recommended either. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: What about the poster? Noone said me something... :( The thing with the poster is that is should be (I believe) related to marketing and we are struggling to introduce the 4-F concept (freedom, friends, features, first) from a marketing POV. And we are looking for posters illustrating that concept. Your poster is using the old Infinity / Freedom / Voice. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Oh... I've been PWND by myself :D I never know these 4F, they screw me and my project, I wonder that I've to think about something new... I'm not slow... but the other are faster :D eheheheh Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 14:41:39 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Samuele Storari wrote: What about the poster? Noone said me something... :( The thing with the poster is that is should be (I believe) related to marketing and we are struggling to introduce the 4-F concept (freedom, friends, features, first) from a marketing POV. And we are looking for posters illustrating that concept. Your poster is using the old Infinity / Freedom / Voice. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: Oh... I've been PWND by myself :D I never know these 4F, they screw me and my project, I wonder that I've to think about something new... WE talked about this about a month ago on this list, have a look at the archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00235.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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AA!!! Ok, now I understand why I dunno about that.. July = holiday for me :D When I came back, there's a large list of mail, and till now I don't read it all. Sorry Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 14:58:45 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Samuele Storari wrote: Oh... I've been PWND by myself :D I never know these 4F, they screw me and my project, I wonder that I've to think about something new... WE talked about this about a month ago on this list, have a look at the archive: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00235.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Creative Commons works have to be CC-BY or CC-BY-SA only to be compatible with Fedora. See: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 -ND and -NC can't be allowed unfortunately. According to that page, Fedora is also OK with -ND, even the this is not considered Free by FSF, only -NC is forbidden (but it is a good thing to avoid -ND, something like Samuele's derivation would not permitted by -ND). Speaking of -ND, the only place where I think it may fit is the Wallpaper Extras gallery, for photos, but even there is makes things more complicated, so it is not forbidden but not recommended either. Oh! I should have explained that a bit more. So, if someone does artwork from scratch / with all their own materials or appropriately-licensed source images, it legally (I wouldn't like it though) would be okay for it to be licensed ND and be a Fedora wallpaper. However, ND == no derivatives. Samuele's wallpaper is a derivate of the images he is using. ND is a non-starter for any artwork that is != the source image. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Rahul Sundaram wrote: Note that the licensing list is not based on just the art project requirements. ND may be good enough for things like game content. If art work project wants to only permit content which allows derivative work, that's a choice they have. Yeh but it is completely infeasible to use an ND licensed source image in your derivative work! It just doesn't make sense. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Samuele Storari wrote: So it would be ok, if I link back to that photo, and (maybe) the artist release the photo? So I didn't examine the photos as carefully as Nicu did; it seems you have two artists you need to credit, and also one artist (Peter) you need to contact to see if he is willing to relicense his photo CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. For now credit them by linking to their flickr photo pages... if this theme gets chosen we will have to credit them further. If he is not willing to re-license that one photo, it cannot be used. If you create your own photo of a katana, that should be fine to use. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Ok, I decide ;) I will do some photos, with my own camera, to my own katana, so it would be totally open. :D And more important we have no future thinkin' for this subject. Still missing some other format for the round 2? Samuele - Messaggio originale - Da: Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Inviato: Mercoledì, 27 agosto 2008 15:26:21 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: InvinXble Updates Samuele Storari wrote: So it would be ok, if I link back to that photo, and (maybe) the artist release the photo? So I didn't examine the photos as carefully as Nicu did; it seems you have two artists you need to credit, and also one artist (Peter) you need to contact to see if he is willing to relicense his photo CC-BY or CC-BY-SA. For now credit them by linking to their flickr photo pages... if this theme gets chosen we will have to credit them further. If he is not willing to re-license that one photo, it cannot be used. If you create your own photo of a katana, that should be fine to use. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Máirín Duffy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Note that the licensing list is not based on just the art project requirements. ND may be good enough for things like game content. If art work project wants to only permit content which allows derivative work, that's a choice they have. Yeh but it is completely infeasible to use an ND licensed source image in your derivative work! It just doesn't make sense. Right. I was just saying artwork as a sub-project can limit the licensing sub-set to what makes sense here. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
