Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-09-05 Thread Bob Peterson
- "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments
| and
| used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg,
| the
| file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of
| creating
| collisions).

Hi Nicu,

Sorry about that.  I'll try to conform from now on.
Is there any way I can rename the files out there to match
the established convention?

Regards,

Bob Peterson
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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-09-05 Thread Nicu Buculei
Bob Peterson wrote:
> Hi Everyone,

Hi Bob,

> I just wanted to let everyone know that, as promised, I just
> uploaded a bunch of photos (I think 23) to the wallpaper
> extras wiki:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras

Your photos are beautiful and I am glad you submitted them, however I have
a small complaint: we tried to keep some sanity in wiki attachments and
used a naming scheme for the images: Wallpaper-username-imagename.jpg, the
file names used by you are all generic (with the potential of creating
collisions).

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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-09-04 Thread Bob Peterson
Hi Everyone,

I just wanted to let everyone know that, as promised, I just
uploaded a bunch of photos (I think 23) to the wallpaper
extras wiki:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras

Most of these are suitable for wallpaper backgrounds, but I
couldn't resist adding a few others that might be too "busy"
because their content is fun.  All of these photos were taken
by either me or my wife, so there are no copyright problems.

Enjoy.

BTW, I've got literally many thousands of photos I've taken
from our travels to exotic places.  The problem is finding
the time to go through them.

Regards,

Bob Peterson
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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread ryan lerch
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Nicu Buculei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


> The general thought is against "fedorification", so if we will use photos
> will most likely leave them unbranded.
>
>
I agree with this nicu on this point. The wallpapers will then be more
useful upstream if they ever wanted to be adopted there.

cheers,
ryanlerch
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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Thu, 2008-08-07 at 02:50 +0200, Hylke Bons wrote:
> The air balloons in one of the earlier releases were very nice.

I agree, but as a corollary, the amount of detail and color made it less
usable as a background.  Icons and text tended to get lost in the
detailed areas.  The effect was worse on people whose eyesight isn't
perfect, or on laptop screens that aren't superbright.

That being said, I liked the picture itself just as a thing of beauty.
But I am a HUGE fan of the newer background for Fedora 9, which, while
abstract, is just really attractive.

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Re: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread RazGriz
We can make something like the process of theme choose and devel. =]

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 7:05 AM, Samuele Storari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> yes! but who decide?
>
> - Messaggio originale -
> Da: "RazGriz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons,
> themes, and wallpapers." 
> Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 12:02:47 GMT +01:00
> Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
> Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"
>
>
>
> +1
> but i think that its time to change the process of the name choose, its
> Marketing and Artwork teams work , fedora is a product like another distros
> or proprietary systems but we have a way of life inside it.
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Samuele Storari < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> wrote:
>
>
> Ok, I see, buyt working on a concept is the baseline.
> Maybe the photo don't work cos it was enough blue for me, or for the
> subject, anyway...
> Let's try something, not just a purpose... me first :D
> Sulphur for me was better than cambridge cos Cambridge is the exact
> opposite of a general concept. ;)
> Ok, I think that we have to fix some date 4 our work, cos we are talking a
> lot but we produce a few :D (me first) that name killin us...
>
> Samuele
>
>
> - Messaggio originale -
> Da: "Nicu Buculei" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons,
> themes, and wallpapers." < fedora-art-list@redhat.com >
> Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 11:32:12 GMT +01:00
> Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
> Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"
>
> Samuele Storari wrote:
> > I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE
> Right "Blue Beatyfull Subject".
>
> What we need is, IMO, a good metaphor.
>
> > This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore
> it, but I really don't think this will be the right way.
>
> Do you think "Cambridge" as a name is more difficult than "Sulphur"?
>
> > But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different,
> changing - mixing is always good ;)
>
> We tried something and the reactions were not very positive:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00313.html
>
> > Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what
> about all the purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do?
>
> I think the best thing we can do is to try to integrate "Cambridge" in
> one of the existing proposals. No harm if we do not succeed and the
> final graphics are not using the code name.
>
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R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread Samuele Storari
yes! but who decide?

- Messaggio originale -
Da: "RazGriz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers." 
Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 12:02:47 GMT +01:00 
Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"



+1 
but i think that its time to change the process of the name choose, its 
Marketing and Artwork teams work , fedora is a product like another distros or 
proprietary systems but we have a way of life inside it. 


On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Samuele Storari < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: 


Ok, I see, buyt working on a concept is the baseline. 
Maybe the photo don't work cos it was enough blue for me, or for the subject, 
anyway... 
Let's try something, not just a purpose... me first :D 
Sulphur for me was better than cambridge cos Cambridge is the exact opposite of 
a general concept. ;) 
Ok, I think that we have to fix some date 4 our work, cos we are talking a lot 
but we produce a few :D (me first) that name killin us... 

Samuele 


- Messaggio originale - 
Da: "Nicu Buculei" < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 
A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers." < fedora-art-list@redhat.com > 
Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 11:32:12 GMT +01:00 
Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna 
Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art" 

Samuele Storari wrote: 
> I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE Right 
> "Blue Beatyfull Subject". 

What we need is, IMO, a good metaphor. 

> This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore it, 
> but I really don't think this will be the right way. 

Do you think "Cambridge" as a name is more difficult than "Sulphur"? 

> But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different, 
> changing - mixing is always good ;) 

We tried something and the reactions were not very positive: 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00313.html 

> Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what about 
> all the purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do? 

I think the best thing we can do is to try to integrate "Cambridge" in 
one of the existing proposals. No harm if we do not succeed and the 
final graphics are not using the code name. 

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Re: R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread RazGriz
+1
but i think  that its time to change the process of the name choose, its
Marketing and Artwork teams work , fedora is a product like another distros
or proprietary systems but we have a way of life inside it.

On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Samuele Storari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Ok, I see, buyt working on a concept is the baseline.
> Maybe the photo don't work cos it was enough blue for me, or for the
> subject, anyway...
> Let's try something, not just a purpose... me first :D
> Sulphur for me was better than cambridge cos Cambridge is the exact
> opposite of a general concept. ;)
> Ok, I think that we have to fix some date 4 our work, cos we are talking a
> lot but we produce a few :D (me first) that name killin us...
>
> Samuele
>
>
> - Messaggio originale -
> Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons,
> themes, and wallpapers." 
> Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 11:32:12 GMT +01:00
> Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
> Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"
>
> Samuele Storari wrote:
> > I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE
> Right "Blue Beatyfull Subject".
>
> What we need is, IMO, a good metaphor.
>
> > This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore
> it, but I really don't think this will be the right way.
>
> Do you think "Cambridge" as a name is more difficult than "Sulphur"?
>
> > But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different,
> changing - mixing is always good ;)
>
> We tried something and the reactions were not very positive:
> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00313.html
>
> > Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what
> about all the purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do?
>
> I think the best thing we can do is to try to integrate "Cambridge" in
> one of the existing proposals. No harm if we do not succeed and the
> final graphics are not using the code name.
>
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R: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread Samuele Storari
Ok, I see, buyt working on a concept is the baseline.
Maybe the photo don't work cos it was enough blue for me, or for the subject, 
anyway...
Let's try something, not just a purpose... me first :D
Sulphur for me was better than cambridge cos Cambridge is the exact opposite of 
a general concept. ;)
Ok, I think that we have to fix some date 4 our work, cos we are talking a lot 
but we produce a few :D (me first) that name killin us...

Samuele


- Messaggio originale -
Da: "Nicu Buculei" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers." 
Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 11:32:12 GMT +01:00 
Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

Samuele Storari wrote:
> I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE Right 
> "Blue Beatyfull Subject".

What we need is, IMO, a good metaphor.

> This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore it, 
> but I really don't think this will be the right way.

Do you think "Cambridge" as a name is more difficult than "Sulphur"?

> But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different, 
> changing - mixing is always good ;)

We tried something and the reactions were not very positive: 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00313.html

> Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what about 
> all the purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do?

I think the best thing we can do is to try to integrate "Cambridge" in 
one of the existing proposals. No harm if we do not succeed and the 
final graphics are not using the code name.

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Re: R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread Nicu Buculei

Samuele Storari wrote:

I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE Right "Blue 
Beatyfull Subject".


What we need is, IMO, a good metaphor.


This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore it, but 
I really don't think this will be the right way.


Do you think "Cambridge" as a name is more difficult than "Sulphur"?


But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different, 
changing - mixing is always good ;)


We tried something and the reactions were not very positive: 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/msg00313.html



Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what about all the 
purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do?


I think the best thing we can do is to try to integrate "Cambridge" in 
one of the existing proposals. No harm if we do not succeed and the 
final graphics are not using the code name.


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R: Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-07 Thread Samuele Storari
I really think that the bottom isn't a Blue Beatyfull Subject, but THE Right 
"Blue Beatyfull Subject".

This time we have to work with a difficult name to face, we can ignore it, but 
I really don't think this will be the right way.
But maybe this time we can use a photo, it would be something different, 
changing - mixing is always good ;)

Just a question, I comes back from Holiday just a few days ago... what about 
all the purposes for F10? With "cambridge" what we will do?

Samuele

- Messaggio originale -
Da: "Hylke Bons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
A: "Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, 
themes, and wallpapers." 
Inviato: Giovedì, 7 agosto 2008 2:50:24 GMT +01:00 
Amsterdam/Berlino/Berna/Roma/Stoccolma/Vienna
Oggetto: Re: Using photos rather than "art"



The air balloons in one of the earlier releases were very nice. 

Hylke 


2008/8/7 Ian Weller < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 



On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:24:57PM -0500, Bob Peterson wrote: 
> I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its 
> main background screen. As an amateur photographer, I have several 
> "scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to 
> donate. Some even have a nice blue theme. For example: 
> 
Very nice :D 

I'm sure this will spark a major discussion on whether photography, 
realism, or abstract art is better for the Fedora wallpapers. I, 
personally, am for abstract art, namely because I think Linux is more 
abstract than other operating systems. (Not that it makes it bad or 
anything) ;) 

I wouldn't be against photography or realism as wallpaper, though. I 
just have a strong preference for abstract stuff. 

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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Hylke Bons
The air balloons in one of the earlier releases were very nice.

Hylke

2008/8/7 Ian Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:24:57PM -0500, Bob Peterson wrote:
> > I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
> > main background screen.  As an amateur photographer, I have several
> > "scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to
> > donate.  Some even have a nice blue theme.  For example:
> >
> Very nice :D
>
> I'm sure this will spark a major discussion on whether photography,
> realism, or abstract art is better for the Fedora wallpapers. I,
> personally, am for abstract art, namely because I think Linux is more
> abstract than other operating systems. (Not that it makes it bad or
> anything) ;)
>
> I wouldn't be against photography or realism as wallpaper, though. I
> just have a strong preference for abstract stuff.
>
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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Bob Peterson wrote:

Here's another photo I took.  This one has nice blue Fedora-like
colors and shows the top side of a jellyfish.  The symbol on the
back of the jellyfish is pretty close to the Fedora infinity symbol;
it could be morphed into one pretty easily by some creative soul
with tools.  (This photo has not been doctored).  Caution: It is 1.5MB.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/PICT0085.JPG


That's a nice one. And very "Fedora". And not hard to re-create with 
vectors.



It's not perfectly in focus, but I might be able to find others
like it in my collection.  I realize the need to not be too
"cluttered" in background photos.


We are past the first round for F10, when we were supposed to gather 
concepts (and we have a lot of concepts submitted). Probably the best is 
that an original concept to be submitted for F11 (when we'll get to that).


But, of course, that does not stop us talking about using photos versus 
drawings, is an interesting talk and I would like to hear more opinions 
about that.


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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Nicu Buculei

Bob Peterson wrote:

I'm a Red Hat developer, and completely new to this list, so forgive
my ignorance.  I like the "blue" themes that Fedora has traditionally
chosen, but I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
main background screen.  As an amateur photographer, I have several
"scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to
donate.  Some even have a nice blue theme.  


I tend to agree with Ryan: we should have a pack of additional, maybe 
photographic, wallpapers.
In the past I talked about havind even some king of online gallery where 
we could post tons of images and any user can find something of his 
liking (for an additional kick: rss feeds, ratings, comments)



(This is only 800x600, but the originals are much higher resolution)


One of the advantages of "abstract" art as a default is that it can be 
resized to norma or wide screens, can be used on CD covers, web buttons 
and banners, T-shirts... so we can easily have a consistent identity.



In theory, this photo or others could be used "as is" or even
"Fedorafied" to add the symbols the Fedora community desires.


The general thought is against "fedorification", so if we will use 
photos will most likely leave them unbranded.


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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Bob Peterson
Here's another photo I took.  This one has nice blue Fedora-like
colors and shows the top side of a jellyfish.  The symbol on the
back of the jellyfish is pretty close to the Fedora infinity symbol;
it could be morphed into one pretty easily by some creative soul
with tools.  (This photo has not been doctored).  Caution: It is 1.5MB.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/PICT0085.JPG

It's not perfectly in focus, but I might be able to find others
like it in my collection.  I realize the need to not be too
"cluttered" in background photos.

Regards,

Bob Peterson


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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Ian Weller
On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 11:34:15AM +1000, ryan lerch wrote:
> Personally, i think that we need a package of addtional wallpapers for
> fedora, not just the generic gnome ones...
> 
Gah, I neglected to mention this! Yes. A higher resolution would be much
better though -- these days, 800x600 doesn't cut it :(

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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 16:24 -0500, Bob Peterson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a Red Hat developer, and completely new to this list, so forgive
> my ignorance.  I like the "blue" themes that Fedora has traditionally
> chosen, but I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
> main background screen. 

This might be a good occasion to point at Jon McCanns comparative study
of desktop backgrounds in various OSs again:

http://www.gnome.org/~mccann/art/State%20of%20the%20Art%20-%20Wallpapers
%20(2008-05-29).pdf

There is certainly something to be said for getting out of the 'box'
we're in with abstract backgrounds...


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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread ryan lerch
Personally, i think that we need a package of addtional wallpapers for
fedora, not just the generic gnome ones...

the shot of clouds by andyfitz on flickr is a prime candidate for this pack
IMHO, as is Bob's shot...

Andy's Photo:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/andyfitz/2366301782/

cheers,
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2008/8/7 Ian Weller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:24:57PM -0500, Bob Peterson wrote:
> > I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
> > main background screen.  As an amateur photographer, I have several
> > "scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to
> > donate.  Some even have a nice blue theme.  For example:
> >
> Very nice :D
>
> I'm sure this will spark a major discussion on whether photography,
> realism, or abstract art is better for the Fedora wallpapers. I,
> personally, am for abstract art, namely because I think Linux is more
> abstract than other operating systems. (Not that it makes it bad or
> anything) ;)
>
> I wouldn't be against photography or realism as wallpaper, though. I
> just have a strong preference for abstract stuff.
>
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Re: Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Ian Weller
On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:24:57PM -0500, Bob Peterson wrote:
> I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
> main background screen.  As an amateur photographer, I have several
> "scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to
> donate.  Some even have a nice blue theme.  For example:
> 
Very nice :D

I'm sure this will spark a major discussion on whether photography,
realism, or abstract art is better for the Fedora wallpapers. I,
personally, am for abstract art, namely because I think Linux is more
abstract than other operating systems. (Not that it makes it bad or
anything) ;)

I wouldn't be against photography or realism as wallpaper, though. I
just have a strong preference for abstract stuff.

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Using photos rather than "art"

2008-08-06 Thread Bob Peterson
Hi,

I'm a Red Hat developer, and completely new to this list, so forgive
my ignorance.  I like the "blue" themes that Fedora has traditionally
chosen, but I was wondering if Fedora could have a photo for its
main background screen.  As an amateur photographer, I have several
"scenery" photos I've taken that may be suitable, and I'm willing to
donate.  Some even have a nice blue theme.  For example:

http://www.robertpeterson.org/Ecuador2007/2007Jun01/img_8435.800.jpg

(This is only 800x600, but the originals are much higher resolution)
In theory, this photo or others could be used "as is" or even
"Fedorafied" to add the symbols the Fedora community desires.

Regards,

Bob Peterson
Red Hat Clustering & GFS


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