Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.
hmm.. they look like those icandy icons (i`m sure you`ve seen them once).. my suggestion is to make the sizes in proportion.. now they seem to be a little to fat. and that handle might fit the echo theme better if you do the colors like this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=edit-undoL.png it`s just a suggestion looking good so far good luck, Mark. 2007/3/14, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? Thanks, Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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hmm I don't think so... I didn't see any icandy icons, or at least I do not know the name... The wrench is based on OpenOffice.org crystal icons theme (the idea), the shape of the working part is derived from Bluecurve icons (I first made a screwdriver and this one derived from it), the handle I added to fit the rest of the tool, maybe the outline makes it a little fatter than it really is... About the color - I used the orange color from echo icon guidelines [1] and added semitransparent gradients to make it more 3D and to add a light effect. But I can look at it once more, to fit the edit-undo icon color. And I think, I don't follow what you mean by make the sizes in proportion. What sizes are you talking about? Sizes of the icons? Sizes of the handle compared to the rest of the tool? Width to the length or the depth of the wrench? What proportions do you suggest? 2:3? 4:5? Gold cut? Please be more clear, maybe its only because my English, but I really don't understand what your suggestion means. Thanks for your suggestions, Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconGuidelines#head-92bac070218d68b55549cfdb50eede11583b8021 Mark napsal(a): hmm.. they look like those icandy icons (i`m sure you`ve seen them once).. my suggestion is to make the sizes in proportion.. now they seem to be a little to fat. and that handle might fit the echo theme better if you do the colors like this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=edit-undoL.png http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoDevelopment?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=edit-undoL.png it`s just a suggestion looking good so far good luck, Mark. 2007/3/14, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : There seems to be no other comments or suggestions regarding these icons, so, would everyone agree if I use the wrench (with orange handle) for document-properties and page with wrench for document-page-setup? Thanks, Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com mailto:Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diana Fong wrote: I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope can cause confusion. setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are static Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more core/basic settings well. My 2p. ./b -- ..// seawolf //.. Ben Arnold e-mail / msn / icq / yahoo iamseawolf (at) gmail (dot) com http://clik.to/seawolfsanctuary fedora core : artwork GnuPG Available - ask me! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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--070303090405070306070601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Diana Fing wrote: Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread. I was a bit skept= ical about the microscope idea because it is such a complex shape, but you s= eem to have pulled it off quite nicely. I am, however, still concerned about = how the microscope idea would render in the smaller sizes. Perhaps in those ca= ses, you can just use the flat microscope shape from version 7 and 7a? To k= eep consistency with your current version, the flat microscope shape would = be slightly elevated from the page. Just an idea... I made the smaller sizes of the doc with microscope. See attachments [3],= [4] and [5]. Ben Arnold wrote: On 07/03/07, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diana Fong wrote: I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'propertie= s' and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscop= e can cause confusion. setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are= static Setup for base settings while properties are per-session or document? If I'm honest, the microscope would not work as well as a metaphor because that says 'search' or 'analyse' to me rather than properties. That said, I always look for the text alongside that icon because it is an easily identifiable word but that doesn't excuse it in toolbars. The doc-prop-4 without the cog to the bottom-right and the single spanner in #2 are my personal favourites. I think #4 would fit in more with the other action emblems and #4 gives across the idea of more core/basic settings well. My 2p. ./b If I take your meaning than the fog you are talking about is an accident.= As I created more icons I derived one from another, and forget to remove a sha= dow from the spanner. See attachment [1]. Also I tried to delete the lines to= make the gear more distinguishable. See attachment [2]. As for the microscope thing for properties: I also take it as analyzing, = but after few looks can get used to it as a symbol for properties. I do not c= onsider bad idea. However, the spanner just resembles the bluecurve theme we used= before and so would be easier for users to get used to it. So I think, if I forg= et for a little while about the microscope, we could have a spanner from #2 (or = #5) for a document-properties and one of the icons with page(possibly the one wit= h gear - #4) for document-page-setup, since it symbolises both page and setup. O= n the other side if we used the microsope with page for document-properties wha= t would we pick for document-page-setup? Possibly again either the page with the microscope or the page with the gear. What do you all think? Attachments: [1] document-properties-4.png (page with gear) [2] document-properties-4a.png (page with gear without lines) [3] document-properties-8_16.png (page with microscope, 16x16 size) [4] document-properties-8_16a.png (page with blue microscope 16x16 size) [5] document-properties-8_24.png (page with microscope, 24x24 size) --070303090405070306070601 Content-Type: image/png; name=document-properties-4.png Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename=document-properties-4.png iVBORw0KGgoNSUhEUgAAADAwCAYAAABXAvmHBHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAlw SFlzAAAHOQAABzkBB3zlcBl0RVh0U29mdHdhcmUAd3d3Lmlua3NjYXBlLm9yZ5vuPBoA AAx4SURBVGiBxZp7cFTXfcc/5z52767eAiSEJKh46AmSBQKc2sa4A42T2HE8pkmTcccmZDKZ Sey2E9rMdNp0Mp2mLw9kYqczdjxhPHWdB7gJxAGBKbWxMTY2NjIQCwTiISSExEpoV9rHfZ3+ cXel1Wq1QipNfjM/3b33nvM739893/P7/e65ElJKssmuPXtrVcH3BXI9EkVKqUqkIkABVCEU RREoQggVgSIQiiKEIsYFRxFKQghMRQhTCGG5rms5jmNblmWbpulYko8Un7Fz65ZHPsoK4jZE 5HDgnx/dtPE7gWAAn67P1f4kicXjhMMRboXD3AwNcaO/n6jLgO3K1q1bHumbi00l101VU7Es a25os4iu6xiGQTAQoCA/D1corG5YUSZd97Vde/Yac7GZ0wExN5zTiqaqGIYfw/CTFwySl59H wDBYWrGgVUr547nYzOkAQtxxJ3RNI2AYBAIGfk3D8Bs01tXiV+Tju/bs/fps7c0wA4I7PQ+K ouDz+TD8BlKA3++jqKiI1sZ6bMvcsWvP3urZ2NNy3RQZ2Ds6Oti/f//sUU83eCDI2pZmdF2n qrKSyqs9eTfC0ReBT9+2jdy3xaQJaGlpoampaY5wJ4tt2xx5+x103YeiKASDQe5atZL2N976 41179m7duuWRXbdjZ4Y1MJVAmqZls6qiKFNUCIGu6yQsC1X1IKiqSklJCS31K3Bse8dP dv9q/u04kJtCaX/hzlNILyhG2bzJG0UIfD4ff7BkCZ0XLxWP2vb3gRkX9YwUEsqEAy0tLaxc uTJ7y8wFk+O6EILRaJR9B15H09Tx66qqUlBQwPrWFtrffnfbsy+98sJTT3zlg1wIc0chkYpE EzIbqiiKAgiEmKzgzetwZJTXjx7jzLkuboUjgEfRiooKKucVK7ZtP7fjxZdyhsGZZ2AOUfTG SJRTlwfoGx5jLGGxfGExq6rnU1maP94mYBgsr1lC95UeTp39BMu2CfoNKivKqV5UQVNDA5d6 j6y3ULYCP5kWYa5a6CsPP/gdIRR0PbefI9EEhq7h1z06HDh1mfaOyziuRACaquDXVbY/tIb5 BYEp/QdDQ3Re6KbzwkWu9PQSi8eRrmTZkkpGYuaglLL2b5/+xq1sY8+QB3LPQN/wGO9f7Kez d4jSAoNtD6xEAGd6bnL++jCu67XTNQVDVwn6JoZLWM64wwvmlVJaUsxdTfUMhkJ8/NtznO08 z4dnOllaWbbAUv3fA/581g4k3Rj/1dHRwcGDBwGI2oJTw4KoI4hY3vlLv3qdwTiMWALbBe/5
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Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.
I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an image on
a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form this
post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
document-properties?
[1] microscope.png
[2] document-properties-7.png
[3] document-properties-7a.png
Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
How about using a microscope instead ? We have gears and other
mechanical metaphors all over the place, both meaning do stuff and
look at it. I'd be nice to reserve them for actions, with something
else for inspection.
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Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a écrit :
I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as an
image on
a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
Thanks a lot
If you {all} don't have any further sugestion, can two of the icons form
this
post and/or from the inilial post be chosen for document-page-setup and
document-properties?
[1] microscope.png
[2] document-properties-7.png
[3] document-properties-7a.png
I don't like the one with lines, they make the form difficult to see
For the one without lines, maybe putting the document under the microscope
instead of the microscope inside the page would be clearer:
- for me stuff inside page = one particular file type)
- you'd get a mnemotechnic shape, which is always good
But hopefully others will comment.
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I do not know if I fully understand what you meant by putting the docume=
nt
under the microscope, but I tried some relative positions of the page an=
d the
microscope and ended with something that seems to look fine[1]. Is that w=
hat you
was talking about?
Thanks for your suggestions.
Regards,
Martin Sourada
Attachments:
[1] - document-properties-8.png
Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a):
Le Mer 7 mars 2007 16:29, Martin Sourada a =C3=A9crit :
I made the icons as you sugested. I made a microscope [1], put it as a=
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image on
a page [2] and deleted lines [3]. Which of them is better?
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document-properties?
[1] microscope.png
[2] document-properties-7.png
[3] document-properties-7a.png
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I don't like the one with lines, they make the form difficult to see
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instead of the microscope inside the page would be clearer:
- for me stuff inside page =3D one particular file type)
- you'd get a mnemotechnic shape, which is always good
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So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki. Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like? Regards, Martin Sourada Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit : Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. I definitively like this one more than the others. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
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Martin Sourada wrote: So, if everyone agree I will consider it as the one. In that case if you don't have any further comments I will make smaller versions and upload it to wiki. Also, what about the document-page-setup? Should we use the same icon, or one of the others, or do you have any idea, how it could look like? Regards, Martin Sourada Nicolas Mailhot napsal(a): Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 20:35 +0100, Martin Sourada a écrit : Oups, posted wrongly, so again the attachement. I definitively like this one more than the others. Lots of excellent work posted today for this thread. I was a bit skeptical about the microscope idea because it is such a complex shape, but you seem to have pulled it off quite nicely. I am, however, still concerned about how the microscope idea would render in the smaller sizes. Perhaps in those cases, you can just use the flat microscope shape from version 7 and 7a? To keep consistency with your current version, the flat microscope shape would be slightly elevated from the page. Just an idea... I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope can cause confusion. Perhaps it's just me. I don't have an answer to this, but believe that if we are to introduce the microscope in signifying this, or a similar, action...we should clearly state, when a wrench would be used, when the microscope would be used, etc. Please help clarify. Martin, your post today on shadows, shall I include that in the Echo Guidelines? Did you find any of the feedback from the previous 'shadows' thread useful to include? Thanks, Diana Fong Red Hat Visual Designer ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: document-page-setup or/and document-properties icon mockups.
Le mercredi 07 mars 2007 à 17:07 -0500, Diana Fong a écrit : I also would like to hear opinions about the use of the wrench or screwdriver + hammer metaphor currently used to represent 'properties' and 'setup' throughout the desktop, and how the use of the microscope can cause confusion. setup is very different from properties. You go into setup to change stuff and have access to configuration utilities. OTOH properties are mostly used in passive look-at-it context, and a lot of properties are static For me gears = active/running stuff, wrench = tweaking things (gears have been used in the past to mark system services and executable/batch files). Both are not appropriate metaphors for looking at static things -- Nicolas Mailhot signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
