Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > look at this: > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars > are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). > > I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: > http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png > Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that > could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming > consistent. Definitely not a fan of that ... looks way too much like vista. Paul http://gallery.filefront.com/Leadgolem//588843/ http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Blended+Crystal?content=58001 - Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
> On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > > look at this: > > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the > > titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora > > theme). I'm willing to bet you're referring to the Gnome theme, but I did port sections of Mint's KDE design to Fedora... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On Wed, 2007-05-30 at 12:49 +0100, Steve Hill wrote: > On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > > look at this: > > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png > > Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars > are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). > > I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: > http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png > Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that > could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming > consistent. Definitely not a fan of that ... looks way too much like vista. Paul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/30/07, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good > example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). > look at this: > http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming consistent. For what it's worth, I use a customised LimeRefresh theme under Beryl, changing the green titlebars to blue - much more interesting than the plain default Metacity theme. That is what I'm talking abot - Fedora is the best linux desktop IMHO and only thing it need is a little, really little polish regarding gnome theme. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On Wed, 30 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png Mint seem to have made the panel a bit more interesting, but the titlebars are very plain and boring (also my complaint with the Fedora theme). I had a quick google around for Ubuntu Studio screenshots: http://ubuntustudio.com/ww2/themes/ubuntustudio/images/screenshots/screenshot-3.png Quite nice - I like the domed look on the panels and title bars, and that could be alpha-blended when switching to compiz to keep the theming consistent. For what it's worth, I use a customised LimeRefresh theme under Beryl, changing the green titlebars to blue - much more interesting than the plain default Metacity theme. -- - Steve xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] sip:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.nexusuk.org/ Servatis a periculum, servatis a maleficum - Whisper, Evanescence ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/29/07, Chris Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/28/07, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > > > > > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex > > > windows user after installing Fedora 6: > > > > > > "This looks like windows 98." > > > > Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) > > No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... > > And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was > not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. > > > That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people > > switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks just > > like Win98? > > > > I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe > > I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP but > > with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration". I've not > > yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem > > anything special to me. > > People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - > just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - > theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the > same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be > gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little > polish. > > Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison > my friend did with windows because I don't use them. > > > > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't > > > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I > > > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... > > > > I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they > > get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooh". The first thing I > > do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window > > manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, that's > > the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one > > person isn't right for another. > > you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more > customizable... > that is not the point. the point is in default theme. > > > There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, > > starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but > > there are just so many driver problems associated with them. > > I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and > FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them > than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of > attention for these packages. I'm motivated to weigh in on this argument as so far the accusations levelled at Fedora is that it looks like Windows 98, Fedora Core 3 and needs to be shinier. You've also accused artists of laziness and that each theme looks the same. Try taking a look at other distributions sometime - you'll I only look at Fedora because it is the only distro I use full time :) Sorry if I sounded like accusing artist of being lazy - this wasn't my intention! I can see that they do a lot of work because each fedora release has a great and different looking artwork! And I love it! I only said that gnome theme should be inline with the rest of the artwork. If you want other distro for comparison - Mint Linux (as a good example comes to mind) and UbuntuStudio (as a not so good example). look at this: http://linuxmint.com/pictures/screenshots/bianca-2.2/06.png I love what they have done with the gnome theme - look how much better gnome panels look when you give them a little polish :) see much less variation and you are always welcome to use theme packs of which several sit in the main repository. The default look or "out of the box" experience is what everybody look at 90% of the time - and that is what gets screenshots in reviews. I know that you can theme the hell out of gnome but that is not the point. I'm not sure what version of Windows 98 looks like FC6 but I'm betting it wasn't OEM. As for arguing that Beryl and Compiz packages are not getting the required attention then it would be helpful if you elaborated a little, particularly regarding the bugs. Even have a trawl through bugzilla and add your thoughts. I added two compiz but to bugzilla. Currently I'm not testing or using berly because I'm spending all of my free time (and stealing alot of hours fromf work) deling with bigger bugs in Fedora 7 (they are all on bugzilla). Regards Chris Regards, Valent from Croatia. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkov
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On Monday, May 28, 2007 5:16 pm Valent Turkovic wrote: > > People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - > just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - > theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the > same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be > gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little > polish. What? Clearlooks rocks. In fact, I STILL say that KDE ought to use Klearlooks as the default widget theme just to get the similar look... -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fwd: shiny desktop, anyone?
I missed sending this mail to this mail list, so I'm doing it now. -- Forwarded message -- From: Valent Turkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 28, 2007 3:53 PM Subject: shiny desktop, anyone? To: Development discussions related to Fedora Core <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Discussions about development for the Fedora desktop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 5/23/07, Matthias Clasen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Wed, 2007-05-23 at 16:39 +0800, Ken YANG wrote: > as we see, suse 10.2 has the animation grub, it looks good. > > can fedora has this kind of grub? > We (the desktop team) hope to get rid of the grub menu in the default boot sequence instead of making it nicer. See http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureBetterStartup Great! Go desktop team, go! :) I really believe that presentation of linux is one of the most important things... it must be shiny and prety :) Nice kernel hacks and speedups are nice... but those are things that most desktop users don't care and don't know even exist... but they know good interface and nice boot grub screen when they see one. So please make grub as nice as possible... the test of Fedora is really nice... I really like it graphically wise. I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex windows user after installing Fedora 6: "This looks like windows 98." And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I saw UbuntuStudio theme, that is an other extreme... but still a good try. It is too dark an a bit too shiny... but I guess that that is what users expect to see. Just my 2c. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: shiny desktop, anyone?
On 5/28/07, Steve Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, 28 May 2007, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I can only share one comment of my apple osx friend who was an ex > windows user after installing Fedora 6: > > "This looks like windows 98." Of course then you showed him Beryl, right? :) No, he removed it before I could do any customization to it... And after I showed him my desktop that was already too late, he was not interested too much because his own experience was too blend. That said, I was under the impression that an aweful lot of Windows people switch XP back to the "classic interface" - i.e. something that looks just like Win98? I saw Vista with Aero for the first time a couple of weeks ago - maybe I've just been spoilt by Beryl, but my first thought was "It's just XP but with transparent bits and slightly different window decoration". I've not yet worked out why people are raving about Aero, it just doesn't seem anything special to me. People are't raving about it - it is just a little more polished - just what fedora 7 or 8 or 9 needs :) Why is every fedora the same - theme wise? Each fedora has great artwork but the theme says the same... that is just laziness :) or lack of insight... there should be gnome theme that corresponds with the artwork IMHO. At lest a little polish. Now F7 looks so Fedora Core 3 like :) not to make the same comparison my friend did with windows because I don't use them. > And when I looked it from his perspective I saw he was right. Don't > get me wrong I love Fedora theme... but when windows looks like osx I > think Fedora needs also a little polish to make it shine... I consider the default Fedora settings to be quite plain and basic - they get the job done but they don't make you go "Ooh". The first thing I do with my Fedora machines when they get installed is switch window manager and copy my customised settings onto the system. However, that's the power of Linux - you _can_ customise it, and what's right for one person isn't right for another. you can customize windows and osx, and you can argue which is more customizable... that is not the point. the point is in default theme. There is a limit to how far the defaults can go though - for example, starting Compiz or Beryl by default would certainly make things shiny, but there are just so many driver problems associated with them. I don't agree. I had 3rd party Compiz and Berly packages on FC5 and FC6 6 months ago and had better exeperience and less bugs with them than with compiz that is now in F7! To me this looks like lack of attention for these packages. Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
