Re: ipw2200 net device's name issue
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 20:34 -0500, John W. Linville wrote: > This is almost always a problem w/ your ifcfg-ethX scripts. > Please post their contents for analysis...thanks! $cat /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 # Please read /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt # for the documentation of these parameters. ONBOOT=no USERCTL=no IPV6INIT=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Wireless DEVICE=eth1 HWADDR=00:0e:35:38:65:96 BOOTPROTO=none NETMASK=255.255.255.0 DHCP_HOSTNAME= IPADDR=192.168.128.3 DOMAIN= ESSID=hellwolf CHANNEL=11 MODE=Ad-Hoc RATE=Auto But I don't think it's relevant to my problem, because I could not ifup my w-device just because the eth1 device didn't exist. -- ZC Miao http://hellwolf.cublog.cn/ gpg --keyserver keyserver.veridis.com --recv-key 0x6B174C6F
speed up Firefox start by a factor of 3 on x86
The Firefox browser often takes 15 seconds to start because random placement of the vDSO page disrupts the pre-linking of the 133 shared libraries involved. (Fedora Core 5 Test 3, kernel-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5, updated by yum to today, 1.1GHz Athlon Plain, 768MB RAM, ext3 UDMA100 local disk.) Similar delays are encountered by any application that uses many or large shared libraries. In contrast, Firefox always starts in 5 seconds or less on a kernel which places the vDSO intelligently: just below the .text of ld-linux or the main executable. This preserves the benefits of exec-shield (including randomization, when prelink randomizes) without destroying performance. Want to experience the difference for yourself? These two kernels have only my patch applied on top of what will be released Monday as Fedora Core 5: (14MB) http://bitwagon.com/ftp/kernel-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.jreiser.i686.rpm (14MB) http://bitwagon.com/ftp/kernel-smp-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.jreiser.i686.rpm The source is (48MB) http://bitwagon.com/ftp/kernel-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5.jreiser.src.rpm (7KB) http://bitwagon.com/ftp/linux-2.6-x86-vdso-stacktop.patch While running, you can revert to FC5 standard behavior by using echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield See the .patch for documentation. This issue appears as part of https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=162797 --
Re: ipw2200 net device's name issue
On Fri, Mar 17, 2006 at 08:14:44AM +0800, ZC Miao wrote: > $uname -r > 2.6.15-1.2054_FC5 > $/sbin/ifconfig > dev20354 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:35:38:65:96 > UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 > RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 > TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 > collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 > RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) > Interrupt:10 Base address:0xc000 Memory:d010-d0100fff This is almost always a problem w/ your ifcfg-ethX scripts. Please post their contents for analysis...thanks! John -- John W. Linville linvi...@tuxdriver.com
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On 3/16/06, Russell Coker wrote: > On Friday 17 March 2006 02:23, Leszek Matok wrote: > > Dnia 17-03-2006, pią o godzinie 01:00 +1100, Russell Coker napisał(a): > > > the 2*RAM advice originated when 16M of RAM > > > was a big machine and that things are different now. > > > > Not really - iirc it appeared with Linux 2.4, which swaps more > > aggressively than 2.2. When 2.4 came out, 256 MiB of system memory was > > pretty common for small servers. > > I used to run servers on Linux 1.2, 1.3, and 2.0 with amounts of RAM such as > 16M for which 2*RAM worked nicely. The 2*RAM advice originated long before > 2.4. > > http://www.coker.com.au/performance/linux-swap.html > > I've written a brief web page to give some advice on this matter, see the > above URL. > I am pretty sure that the recommendation is close to what the old SunOS-4.1.x installation guide says. Set aside swap to be 2x your actual memory for optimal performance. I am pretty sure I was pointed to that a long time ago. -- Stephen J Smoogen. CSIRT/Linux System Administrator
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Friday 17 March 2006 02:23, Leszek Matok wrote: > Dnia 17-03-2006, pią o godzinie 01:00 +1100, Russell Coker napisał(a): > > the 2*RAM advice originated when 16M of RAM > > was a big machine and that things are different now. > > Not really - iirc it appeared with Linux 2.4, which swaps more > aggressively than 2.2. When 2.4 came out, 256 MiB of system memory was > pretty common for small servers. I used to run servers on Linux 1.2, 1.3, and 2.0 with amounts of RAM such as 16M for which 2*RAM worked nicely. The 2*RAM advice originated long before 2.4. http://www.coker.com.au/performance/linux-swap.html I've written a brief web page to give some advice on this matter, see the above URL. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: xen failure - xenstrore with 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor#1 SMP
2.6.15-1.2009.4.2.FC5hypervisor isn't latest rawhide, you should use 2.6.15-1.2054_FC5xen0 Now I feel like a right pillock :) Cheers Andy, will give it a go! Don't know why yum hasn't noticed a newer kernel though...
ipw2200 net device's name issue
$uname -r 2.6.15-1.2054_FC5 $/sbin/ifconfig dev20354 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0E:35:38:65:96 UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 b) TX bytes:0 (0.0 b) Interrupt:10 Base address:0xc000 Memory:d010-d0100fff ... This happened for many times as I upgrade my kernel, sometimes it's called eth1 as usual but somethimes it's called dev as above. Is it a but? -- ZC Miao http://hellwolf.cublog.cn/ gpg --keyserver keyserver.veridis.com --recv-key 0x6B174C6F
Re: Building openoffice 2.0.2-5.2.2 fails
On Thu, March 16, 2006 11:29, Caolan McNamara wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:16 +, Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> When I build openoffice after hours and hours, during the "install" >> process I get the following: >> >> == >> + >> /var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/configimport >> -e >> file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry >> /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu >> configimport.bin - Unhandled exception caught in main: >> "configmgr::backend::ImportHandler: Could not get output handler for >> component org.openoffice.Setup due to a backend exception: >> MultiStratumBackend: No Backend supports Entity: >> "file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry" >> error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.19514 (%install) >> >> === >> >> The same was happening with 2.0.2-5.1.2 >> >> Anyone knows what could be wrong? > > Never seen anything like that in all the times I've built OOo, so have > you made any modifications at all ? > > If not then perhaps it's something that happens differently for you > because of a different locale. So as a wild stab in the dark I'd try > adding a > > export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 > to the %install section of the spec. > > > If you have the ruins of your build still around then you can try and > manually run something like... > > /var/tmp/foo/.../openoffice.org/program/configimport -e > file://./var/tmp/foo..openoffice.org/share/registry > /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu > > and experiment around with that. > > C. Caolan, Thank you for your reply I tried that, also exporting LANG as specified, but I get still the same error: /var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/configimport -e file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu configimport.bin - Unhandled exception caught in main: "configmgr::backend::ImportHandler: Could not get output handler for component org.openoffice.Setup due to a backend exception: MultiStratumBackend: No Backend supports Entity: "file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry" I have tried the same specifying as entity the installed version in /usr/lib/open with the same result. If I change directory to: /var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root/usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry and than I execute configimport without specifying the entity, it does not fail, but also it does not make the import (no changes to the files in the directory tree) M
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 10:22:13PM +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > I asked around and I didn't really get an answer on how come everything > that is in GNOME's release got upgraded to the actual released versions, > except GStreamer. Any logic to that ? Can someone shed some light ? Among other things, GStreamer was not subject to the rigorous freezes that the rest of GNOME was. It's developed in a more independent fashion. Hence, the difference between the 2.13.9x GNOME releases and 2.14 was much smaller and safer, compared to the difference in GStreamer. You know that, of course, based on the fact that you started this thread on GNOME's release-team mailing list: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-March/msg00126.html John Thacker pgpgOpOCUPVH3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On 3/16/06, Jeremy Katz wrote: > Not everything got upgraded. It was basically a matter of looking at > diffs and trying to decide what was "safe". I don't think that anyone > is 100% happy with how that process went. > > The plan is definitely to get the rest of the 2.14 final packages out as > an update ASAP after Monday and there's also going to be an effort to > actually track the stable releases as they're done this time around :-) Thank you for giving me yet another excuse to sit on the patches to make istanbul in Extras build on 64bit. Now that i know the new gst is going to be updated asap... makes working on gst08 istanbul package this weekend particularly pointless when I'll be able to finally roll a gst 0.10 with the gst update. -jef
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:28 -0500, Jeremy Katz wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 22:22 +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > > > > It seems in final gnome 2.14 the optimum is: > > > > gstreamer 0.10.4 and gst-plugins-base 0.10.5 > > > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > > > the FC5 release. > > > > I asked around and I didn't really get an answer on how come everything > > that is in GNOME's release got upgraded to the actual released versions, > > except GStreamer. Any logic to that ? Can someone shed some light ? > > Not everything got upgraded. It was basically a matter of looking at > diffs and trying to decide what was "safe". I don't think that anyone > is 100% happy with how that process went. > > The plan is definitely to get the rest of the 2.14 final packages out as > an update ASAP after Monday and there's also going to be an effort to > actually track the stable releases as they're done this time around :-) > They (remaining 2.14 pieces) are already queued for updates.
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 22:22 +0100, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > > > It seems in final gnome 2.14 the optimum is: > > > gstreamer 0.10.4 and gst-plugins-base 0.10.5 > > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > > the FC5 release. > > I asked around and I didn't really get an answer on how come everything > that is in GNOME's release got upgraded to the actual released versions, > except GStreamer. Any logic to that ? Can someone shed some light ? Not everything got upgraded. It was basically a matter of looking at diffs and trying to decide what was "safe". I don't think that anyone is 100% happy with how that process went. The plan is definitely to get the rest of the 2.14 final packages out as an update ASAP after Monday and there's also going to be an effort to actually track the stable releases as they're done this time around :-) Jeremy
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
Lamont R. Peterson wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2006 10:14am, Horst von Brand wrote: > > Russell Coker wrote: [...] > > > There are situations where machines can perform very well with a tmpfs > > > that is significantly larger than RAM. There was one time that one of my > > > machines with 512M of RAM needed a 6G tmpfs and gave really good > > > performance with 6G of swap. > > > > > > There are also some applications that have a working set which is far > > > smaller than the full allocated memory space and which perform well when > > > they are mostly swapped out. > > Exactly. Plus disk (even expensive, high-end ones) are /s l o w/. You need > > to put enough RAM into the machine for what it needs, in which case you use > > swap mostly for whatever load spikes run over that, and you care enough not > > to let OOM take over... and that is completely unpredictable, unless you > > have a very detailed knowledge of the expected load, so any "swap is X > > times RAM" advise is bogus. But then again, disk is cheap, and you have to > > tell people /something/... > IMHO, the main reason that the common advice is something like "2x RAM" is > that those in the know were not willing or able (for whatever reason(s)) to > explain the real truth to newbies, Try my above rant on the average newbie, and see eyes glazing over and feel (more than see) the irresistible urge to run away from all such complexity, fast... >and that led to people thinking that it > was some magic number. ;-) > I've even heard otherwise intelligent, knowledgeable > admins tell people that you *absolutely must* make swap 2x RAM or it won't > work or "performance will be horrid at best." Some Solaris boxen had to have swap > RAM, or it wouldn't be of any use, so 2x RAM was a reasonable compromise. > But, it's understandable; not everyone can take the time required to > properly educate. Some of us try, but it is hard. -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, ChileFax: +56 32 797513
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > It seems in final gnome 2.14 the optimum is: > > gstreamer 0.10.4 and gst-plugins-base 0.10.5 > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > the FC5 release. I asked around and I didn't really get an answer on how come everything that is in GNOME's release got upgraded to the actual released versions, except GStreamer. Any logic to that ? Can someone shed some light ? Thanks Thomas
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:59 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: > Hello, > > I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from > http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ Running createrepo to make it a modern yum repo would be a good plan... Paul
Re: No Joy From Attempted Hard Disk Install With T3
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 00:07 -0500, Janina Sajka wrote: > I just attempted to install FC5T3 via hard disk and got the complaint > about repo data. Just to be sure I tried both from the DVD iso and the 5 > disc iso set. > > Is it just me? Have others succeeded installing from iso files on > another hd partition? It would be nice for this to be working whith the > FC5 release, of course. We've definitely tested this post test3 and it should all be working for FC5 final. Paul
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thursday 16 March 2006 10:14am, Horst von Brand wrote: > Russell Coker wrote: > > On Friday 17 March 2006 00:35, "Mauro Mozzarelli" > > > > wrote: > > > >> > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in > > > >> > most usage scenarios. > > > >> > > > >> Three words: "suspend to disk". > > > > > > I use it for "tmpfs" > > > > There are situations where machines can perform very well with a tmpfs > > that is significantly larger than RAM. There was one time that one of my > > machines with 512M of RAM needed a 6G tmpfs and gave really good > > performance with 6G of swap. > > > > There are also some applications that have a working set which is far > > smaller than the full allocated memory space and which perform well when > > they are mostly swapped out. > > Exactly. Plus disk (even expensive, high-end ones) are /s l o w/. You need > to put enough RAM into the machine for what it needs, in which case you use > swap mostly for whatever load spikes run over that, and you care enough not > to let OOM take over... and that is completely unpredictable, unless you > have a very detailed knowledge of the expected load, so any "swap is X > times RAM" advise is bogus. But then again, disk is cheap, and you have to > tell people /something/... IMHO, the main reason that the common advice is something like "2x RAM" is that those in the know were not willing or able (for whatever reason(s)) to explain the real truth to newbies, and that led to people thinking that it was some magic number. I've even heard otherwise intelligent, knowledgeable admins tell people that you *absolutely must* make swap 2x RAM or it won't work or "performance will be horrid at best." But, it's understandable; not everyone can take the time required to properly educate. -- Lamont R. Peterson Senior Instructor Guru Labs, L.C. [ http://www.GuruLabs.com/ ] GPG Key fingerprint: F98C E31A 5C4C 834A BCAB 8CB3 F980 6C97 DC0D D409 pgp2GmZvQMhXb.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 17:29 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: > Gilboa Davara wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:59 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: > >> Hello, > >> > >> I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from > >> http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ > >> > >> Most prominent new features are gvim with windows in multiple tab pages > >> (:help tabpage), > >> spell checking (:help spell) and omni-completion (:help > >> new-omni-completion). > >> > >> A description of the new features of vim-7 is available with :help version7 > >> > >> Please report any problems in bugzilla and make sure to mention the > >> package version > >> > >> Have fun... > >>Karsten > >> > > > > Yey! > > Can the .spec be modified to co-exist with 6? > > E.g. /usr/bin/vim7XXX? > > > > Gilboa > > Done in vim7-7.0aa.000-2, available from the same place. > > Karsten > Thanks! I'll install it on i386 and rebuild/install on x86_64 tomorrow. BTW, which vim build is it? Gilboa
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 10:47 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > > > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > > > the FC5 release. > > > > > > > Do you know if there is any plan to update libnotify to 0.3.2 for FC5? > > I've got a couple of packages (gossip, xchat-gnome) that don't work with > > 0.3.0 due to the api change. > It was considered, but it requires the new notification daemon, and the > new notification daemon requires libsexy which we don't ship. At the > time, it was a bit late in the development cycle to add a new package to > the distribution. > > If you file a bug though, maybe we can do something. For instance, make > libsexy configure time optional or something. Hard to say at this > point. Ray, thanks for the update. I glanced at the latest notification daemon tarball, and it looks fairly straight forward to make the libsexy dependency option. The only use of libsexy is in the theme.c file, and it involves sexy-url-label. If I've got some time this weekend, I'll work on a patch to make libsexy option. /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
Russell Coker wrote: > On Friday 17 March 2006 00:35, "Mauro Mozzarelli" > wrote: > > >> > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in most > > >> > usage scenarios. > > >> > > >> Three words: "suspend to disk". > > > > I use it for "tmpfs" > There are situations where machines can perform very well with a tmpfs > that is significantly larger than RAM. There was one time that one of my > machines with 512M of RAM needed a 6G tmpfs and gave really good > performance with 6G of swap. > There are also some applications that have a working set which is far > smaller than the full allocated memory space and which perform well when > they are mostly swapped out. Exactly. Plus disk (even expensive, high-end ones) are /s l o w/. You need to put enough RAM into the machine for what it needs, in which case you use swap mostly for whatever load spikes run over that, and you care enough not to let OOM take over... and that is completely unpredictable, unless you have a very detailed knowledge of the expected load, so any "swap is X times RAM" advise is bogus. But then again, disk is cheap, and you have to tell people /something/... -- Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, ChileFax: +56 32 797513
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On 03/16/2006 Russell Coker wrote: > Good point. How well does suspend to disk work nowadays? The reports I've > heard in the past have suggested that certain types of hardware could cause > the machine to be in an uncertain state on resume so I've avoided using it to > keep my data safe. It has been working very well on my laptop. Some of the folks at RH spent time testing w/ various laptops that people would bring in and fixing bugs found. -- Jesse Keating RHCE (geek.j2solutions.net) Fedora Legacy Team (www.fedoralegacy.org) GPG Public Key (geek.j2solutions.net/jkeating.j2solutions.pub) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 09:20:54 +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > > In most cases your machine will become totally unusable long before the 4G > space is used, and often it would be more desirable to have the OOM killer > kill something before it gets to that stage. When configuring machines with > more than about 512M of RAM I never use 2*RAM for swap size for this reason. If you want a reliable system you don't want to turn on the oom killer. When you do this you need to have swap space available for all allocated memory even if it isn't being used. In this case you can have swap space much larger than will actually be used in practice. Note that there are cases where processes don't have there own copy of memory they have allocated to them. A common case is memory in use when a fork is done that hasn't been modified.
Re: Vim-7 Preview
Gilboa Davara wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:59 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: Hello, I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ Most prominent new features are gvim with windows in multiple tab pages (:help tabpage), spell checking (:help spell) and omni-completion (:help new-omni-completion). A description of the new features of vim-7 is available with :help version7 Please report any problems in bugzilla and make sure to mention the package version Have fun... Karsten Yey! Can the .spec be modified to co-exist with 6? E.g. /usr/bin/vim7XXX? Gilboa Done in vim7-7.0aa.000-2, available from the same place. Karsten -- Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
Re: Help Needed: FC5 Blocker List and Rawhide Install Testing
> Rawhide developmental growing pains. Clean OS installs will not have > this problem, and upgrades direct from FC3/FC4 or older to FC5 final > should either not have this problem, or should have very minimal > issues at best. As I said in the mail at the origin of the thread, there are a lot of include files in /usr/X11R6/include/X11, and some directories and symlinks in other directories, all are unowned (the openmotif issue is more serious but seems unrelated). Not a big deal. Maybe this could be documented in the release notes? All in all I think that this can be considered as a successfull update. > >The files in the -devel package install to /usr/include/X11 which was > >(and might still be, if rpm -qf is reporting ownership of those files) > >symlinked to /usr/X11R6/include/X11 It is not, at least in my case (FC-4 to devel yum update, a few days ago). -- Pat
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
Hi, > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > > the FC5 release. > > > > Do you know if there is any plan to update libnotify to 0.3.2 for FC5? > I've got a couple of packages (gossip, xchat-gnome) that don't work with > 0.3.0 due to the api change. It was considered, but it requires the new notification daemon, and the new notification daemon requires libsexy which we don't ship. At the time, it was a bit late in the development cycle to add a new package to the distribution. If you file a bug though, maybe we can do something. For instance, make libsexy configure time optional or something. Hard to say at this point. --Ray
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On 3/16/06, Karsten Hopp wrote: > > Gianluca Sforna wrote: > > On 3/16/06, Michael Weiner wrote: > >> any chance of posting the src.rpm and/or spec file? > > > > It seems to be there... > > http://people.redhat.com/karsten/vim-7.0aa.000-1.src.rpm > > > > Cheers > > > > Gianluca > > > > I've uploaded it one moment ago... Thank you both!!!Michael Weiner
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On 3/16/06, Karsten Hopp wrote: > > I've uploaded it one moment ago... > wow. that was fast...
Re: Vim-7 Preview
Gianluca Sforna wrote: On 3/16/06, Michael Weiner wrote: any chance of posting the src.rpm and/or spec file? It seems to be there... http://people.redhat.com/karsten/vim-7.0aa.000-1.src.rpm Cheers Gianluca I've uploaded it one moment ago... Karsten -- Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On 3/16/06, Michael Weiner wrote: > > any chance of posting the src.rpm and/or spec file? It seems to be there... http://people.redhat.com/karsten/vim-7.0aa.000-1.src.rpm Cheers Gianluca
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 09:44 -0500, Ray Strode wrote: > I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of > the FC5 release. > Do you know if there is any plan to update libnotify to 0.3.2 for FC5? I've got a couple of packages (gossip, xchat-gnome) that don't work with 0.3.0 due to the api change. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=179960 /B -- Brian Pepple gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 810CC15E BD5E 6F9E 8688 E668 8F5B CBDE 326A E936 810C C15E signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: Vim-7 Preview
On 3/16/06, Gilboa Davara wrote: > > On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:59 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from > http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ > > > > Most prominent new features are gvim with windows in multiple tab > pages (:help tabpage), > > spell checking (:help spell) and omni-completion (:help > new-omni-completion). > > > > A description of the new features of vim-7 is available with :help > version7 > > Karsten - any chance of posting the src.rpm and/or spec file? Thanks in advance. Michael Weiner
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
Dnia 17-03-2006, pią o godzinie 01:00 +1100, Russell Coker napisał(a): > the 2*RAM advice originated when 16M of RAM > was a big machine and that things are different now. Not really - iirc it appeared with Linux 2.4, which swaps more aggressively than 2.2. When 2.4 came out, 256 MiB of system memory was pretty common for small servers. Swap space can be as large as you want it to be unless you go into situation where more than physical memory amount is needed for running programs (or rather for pages these programs need continously or how- they're-called). If this happens and your system becomes unresponsive, this is really an oom-killer issue (it should act faster and choose victims more wisely), decreasing swap space to "help" oom-killer act fast is really not a solution, but a dirty hack. Lam signature.asc Description: To jest część listu podpisana cyfrowo
Re: which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
Hi, > It seems in final gnome 2.14 the optimum is: > gstreamer 0.10.4 and gst-plugins-base 0.10.5 I believe the plan is to upgrade in FC5 updates, within a few days of the FC5 release. --Ray
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Friday 17 March 2006 00:35, "Mauro Mozzarelli" wrote: > >> > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in most > >> > usage scenarios. > >> > >> Three words: "suspend to disk". > > I use it for "tmpfs" There are situations where machines can perform very well with a tmpfs that is significantly larger than RAM. There was one time that one of my machines with 512M of RAM needed a 6G tmpfs and gave really good performance with 6G of swap. There are also some applications that have a working set which is far smaller than the full allocated memory space and which perform well when they are mostly swapped out. However I believe that neither is a common use of a machine. The general advice which is given as "use twice RAM" is something that I believe to be wrong in most instances now that machines with 512M of RAM or more are common. The issue of what size of swap space will be viable is really determined by the IO capacity of the storage device. Get a bunch of 15,000rpm SATA or SCSI disks in a RAID-5 array with a write-back disk controller and a swap space of several gigs in size may be viable for a wide range of work loads. Get a single IDE disk with a few gigs of swap and it's most likely that the performance of your machine will be unusable (to a degree that you have to press reset as logging in to run shutdown takes far too long) long before the swap space is fully used. I'm not trying to convince people that everyone should use less than 2*RAM for their swap space! Merely that the 2*RAM advice originated when 16M of RAM was a big machine and that things are different now. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Re: Kernel 2054 breaks nvidia.ko loading
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 13:28 +0100, Arjan van de Ven wrote: > > > > In nVidia/ATI's defense, unlike previous FC/non-GPL problems (udev, 4K > > stacks, etc) the problem is not with the closed source drivers failing > > to follow the latest kernel trunk. > > Beside releasing their code under GPL (Which is a good thing(tm)) > > there's nothing nVidia nor ATI can do to fix this problem. > > > this claim is incorrect, the workaround is trivial. > I assume you mean "fixing" their driver by adding a copy of print_tainted function, right? Am I missing any other solution? Gilboa
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thu, March 16, 2006 11:18, Russell Coker wrote: > On Thursday 16 March 2006 20:51, Olivier Galibert > wrote: >> > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in most >> > usage scenarios. >> >> Three words: "suspend to disk". > I use it for "tmpfs"
which gstreamer versions in official fc5?
ATM we have gstreamer-0.10.3-3 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.3-3 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.2-1 It seems in final gnome 2.14 the optimum is: gstreamer 0.10.4 and gst-plugins-base 0.10.5 (see thread http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-March/msg00126.html and for previous related messages: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2006-March/msg0.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-multimedia/2006-March/msg2.html ) and gst-plugins-good-0.10.2 What is the plan for final fc5 about core and base? Are they planned to be aligned with gnome? Thanks Gianluca
Nithin Shenoy is out of the office.
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Re: Vim-7 Preview
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 12:59 +0100, Karsten Hopp wrote: > Hello, > > I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from > http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ > > Most prominent new features are gvim with windows in multiple tab pages > (:help tabpage), > spell checking (:help spell) and omni-completion (:help new-omni-completion). > > A description of the new features of vim-7 is available with :help version7 > > Please report any problems in bugzilla and make sure to mention the package > version > > Have fun... >Karsten > Yey! Can the .spec be modified to co-exist with 6? E.g. /usr/bin/vim7XXX? Gilboa
Re: xen failure - xenstrore with 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor#1 SMP
Naoki wrote: Should have added the xen version sorry : xen-3.0.1-4 It's all latest rawhide. On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:31 +0900, Naoki wrote: I can't get xend to start, have not been able to for a couple of weeks, if not more actually. Using 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor #1 SMP 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2.FC5hypervisor isn't latest rawhide, you should use 2.6.15-1.2054_FC5xen0
Vim-7 Preview
Hello, I've prepared vim-7 prerelease packages, they are available from http://people.redhat.com/karsten/ Most prominent new features are gvim with windows in multiple tab pages (:help tabpage), spell checking (:help spell) and omni-completion (:help new-omni-completion). A description of the new features of vim-7 is available with :help version7 Please report any problems in bugzilla and make sure to mention the package version Have fun... Karsten -- Learn. Network. Experience open source. Red Hat Summit Nashville | May 30 - June 2, 2006 Learn more: http://www.redhat.com/promo/summit/
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 10:18:11PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > Good point. How well does suspend to disk work nowadays? Not that good yet. > The reports I've > heard in the past have suggested that certain types of hardware could cause > the machine to be in an uncertain state on resume so I've avoided using it to > keep my data safe. You'd better stay that way for now. OG.
Re: Building openoffice 2.0.2-5.2.2 fails
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 11:16 +, Mauro Mozzarelli wrote: > Hi All, > > When I build openoffice after hours and hours, during the "install" > process I get the following: > > == > + > /var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/configimport > -e > file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry > /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu > configimport.bin - Unhandled exception caught in main: > "configmgr::backend::ImportHandler: Could not get output handler for > component org.openoffice.Setup due to a backend exception: > MultiStratumBackend: No Backend supports Entity: > "file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry" > error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.19514 (%install) > > === > > The same was happening with 2.0.2-5.1.2 > > Anyone knows what could be wrong? Never seen anything like that in all the times I've built OOo, so have you made any modifications at all ? If not then perhaps it's something that happens differently for you because of a different locale. So as a wild stab in the dark I'd try adding a export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 to the %install section of the spec. If you have the ruins of your build still around then you can try and manually run something like... /var/tmp/foo/.../openoffice.org/program/configimport -e file://./var/tmp/foo..openoffice.org/share/registry /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu and experiment around with that. C.
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thursday 16 March 2006 20:51, Olivier Galibert wrote: > > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in most > > usage scenarios. > > Three words: "suspend to disk". Good point. How well does suspend to disk work nowadays? The reports I've heard in the past have suggested that certain types of hardware could cause the machine to be in an uncertain state on resume so I've avoided using it to keep my data safe. -- http://www.coker.com.au/selinux/ My NSA Security Enhanced Linux packages http://www.coker.com.au/bonnie++/ Bonnie++ hard drive benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/postal/Postal SMTP/POP benchmark http://www.coker.com.au/~russell/ My home page
Building openoffice 2.0.2-5.2.2 fails
Hi All, When I build openoffice after hours and hours, during the "install" process I get the following: == + /var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/program/configimport -e file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry /usr/src/ezplanet/SOURCES/RegisterAndLicence.xcu configimport.bin - Unhandled exception caught in main: "configmgr::backend::ImportHandler: Could not get output handler for component org.openoffice.Setup due to a backend exception: MultiStratumBackend: No Backend supports Entity: "file:///var/tmp/openoffice.org-2.0.2-root//usr/lib/openoffice.org2.0/share/registry" error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.19514 (%install) === The same was happening with 2.0.2-5.1.2 Anyone knows what could be wrong? MM
Re: 2GB swap partition limit?
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 09:20:54AM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > On Sunday 05 March 2006 23:24, Émeric Maschino > wrote: > > My workstation has been upgraded to 6GB RAM. I let anaconda automatically > > manage the partitions on the disk. It created a 4GB swap partition in a LVM > > volume. But top, free and gnome-system-monitor all report that my swap > > space is 2GB (more precisely, 1.9GB). IIRC, there was a 2GB limit partition > > for the swap size in the past, but I thought this has been overcame. > > Incidentally such a large swap space will not do you any good in most usage > scenarios. Three words: "suspend to disk". OG.
rawhide report: 20060316 changes
Updated Packages: (none) Broken deps for ia64 -- rgmanager - 1.9.31-3.ia64 requires ccs Broken deps for ppc64 -- avalon-logkit - 1.2-3jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 castor-demo - 0.9.5-1jpp_2fc.noarch requires servletapi5 emacs - 21.4-5.ppc64 requires fonts-xorg-75dpi geronimo-specs - 1.0-0.M2.2jpp_7fc.ppc64 requires servletapi5 hsqldb - 1.80.1-1jpp_8fc.ppc64 requires servletapi5 jakarta-commons-fileupload - 1:1.0-3jpp_5fc.noarch requires servletapi5 jakarta-taglibs-standard - 1.1.1-4jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 >= 0:5.0.16 struts - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.ppc64 requires servletapi5 struts-webapps-tomcat5 - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.ppc64 requires tomcat5 velocity - 1.4-3jpp_4fc.noarch requires servletapi5 xalan-j2-demo - 2.6.0-3jpp_9fc.ppc64 requires servletapi5 Broken deps for s390 -- avalon-logkit - 1.2-3jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 castor-demo - 0.9.5-1jpp_2fc.noarch requires servletapi5 geronimo-specs - 1.0-0.M2.2jpp_7fc.s390 requires servletapi5 hsqldb - 1.80.1-1jpp_8fc.s390 requires servletapi5 jakarta-commons-fileupload - 1:1.0-3jpp_5fc.noarch requires servletapi5 jakarta-taglibs-standard - 1.1.1-4jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 >= 0:5.0.16 rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390 requires libgstgconf-0.8.so.0 rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390 requires libgstreamer-0.8.so.1 rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390 requires libgstcontrol-0.8.so.1 struts - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.s390 requires servletapi5 struts-webapps-tomcat5 - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.s390 requires tomcat5 velocity - 1.4-3jpp_4fc.noarch requires servletapi5 xalan-j2-demo - 2.6.0-3jpp_9fc.s390 requires servletapi5 xmlrpc - 2.0.1-1jpp_6fc.s390 requires servletapi5 Broken deps for s390x -- avalon-logkit - 1.2-3jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 castor-demo - 0.9.5-1jpp_2fc.noarch requires servletapi5 geronimo-specs - 1.0-0.M2.2jpp_7fc.s390x requires servletapi5 hsqldb - 1.80.1-1jpp_8fc.s390x requires servletapi5 jakarta-commons-fileupload - 1:1.0-3jpp_5fc.noarch requires servletapi5 jakarta-taglibs-standard - 1.1.1-4jpp_3fc.noarch requires servletapi5 >= 0:5.0.16 rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390x requires libgstcontrol-0.8.so.1()(64bit) rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390x requires libgstgconf-0.8.so.0()(64bit) rhythmbox - 0.8.8-2.s390x requires libgstreamer-0.8.so.1()(64bit) struts - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.s390x requires servletapi5 struts-webapps-tomcat5 - 1.2.8-2jpp_9fc.s390x requires tomcat5 velocity - 1.4-3jpp_4fc.noarch requires servletapi5 xalan-j2-demo - 2.6.0-3jpp_9fc.s390x requires servletapi5
Re: xen failure - xenstrore with 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor #1 SMP
Should have added the xen version sorry : xen-3.0.1-4 It's all latest rawhide. On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 16:31 +0900, Naoki wrote: > I can't get xend to start, have not been able to for a couple of weeks, > if not more actually. Using 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor #1 SMP > > Log says this : > > [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:285) Xend Daemon started > [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:289) Xend changeset: > unavailable . > [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] ERROR (SrvDaemon:299) Exception starting xend > ((111, 'Connection refused')) > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvDaemon.py", > line 293, in run > servers = SrvServer.create() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvServer.py", > line 106, in create > root.putChild('xend', SrvRoot()) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvRoot.py", > line 40, in __init__ > self.get(name) > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 82, in > get > val = val.getobj() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 52, in > getobj > self.obj = klassobj() > File > "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvDomainDir.py", line > 39, in __init__ > self.xd = XendDomain.instance() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line > 550, in instance > inst.init() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line > 70, in init > xstransact.Mkdir(VMROOT) > File > "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line > 317, in Mkdir > complete(path, lambda t: t.mkdir(*args)) > File > "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line > 323, in complete > t = xstransact(path) > File > "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line > 20, in __init__ > self.transaction = xshandle().transaction_start() > File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xsutil.py", > line 18, in xshandle > xs_handle = xen.lowlevel.xs.xs() > RuntimeError: (111, 'Connection refused') > > I traced the binary and I see this : > [pid 2954] socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 4 > [pid 2954] connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, > path="/var/run/xenstored/socket"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection > refused) > [pid 2954] close(4) > [pid 2943] socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0 > [pid 2954] write(2, "Failed to contact xenstore (Conn"..., 65 > > > The socket exists but nothing has a handle on it though : > > $ ls -l /var/run/xenstored/socket > srw--- 1 root root 0 Mar 16 16:18 /var/run/xenstored/socket > > It suggests xenstore is my problem but in the same trace I see it > executing ok : > > [pid 2946] execve("/usr/sbin/xenstored", ["xenstored", > "--pid-file=/var/run/xenstore.pid"...], [/* 20 vars */]) = 0 > > So I ran it manually and I get this : > > # FATAL: Failed to initialize dom0 state: No such device > full talloc report on 'null_context' (total 56 bytes in 3 blocks) > struct domain contains 56 bytes in 2 blocks > (ref 0) > /local/domain/0contains 16 bytes in 1 > blocks (ref 0) > > Another trace shows the failure probably being here : > > open("/proc/xen/xsd_kva", O_RDWR) = 10 > mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, 10, 0) = -1 ENODEV > (No such device) > close(10) > > # ls -l /proc/xen/xsd_kva > -r 1 root root 0 Mar 16 16:31 /proc/xen/xsd_kva > > > That's about as far as my debugging skills can go, anybody seen/know > this?
xen failure - xenstrore with 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor #1 SMP
I can't get xend to start, have not been able to for a couple of weeks, if not more actually. Using 2.6.15-1.2009.4.2_FC5hypervisor #1 SMP Log says this : [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:285) Xend Daemon started [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] INFO (SrvDaemon:289) Xend changeset: unavailable . [2006-03-16 16:15:47 xend] ERROR (SrvDaemon:299) Exception starting xend ((111, 'Connection refused')) Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvDaemon.py", line 293, in run servers = SrvServer.create() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvServer.py", line 106, in create root.putChild('xend', SrvRoot()) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvRoot.py", line 40, in __init__ self.get(name) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 82, in get val = val.getobj() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/web/SrvDir.py", line 52, in getobj self.obj = klassobj() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/server/SrvDomainDir.py", line 39, in __init__ self.xd = XendDomain.instance() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line 550, in instance inst.init() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/XendDomain.py", line 70, in init xstransact.Mkdir(VMROOT) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 317, in Mkdir complete(path, lambda t: t.mkdir(*args)) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 323, in complete t = xstransact(path) File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xstransact.py", line 20, in __init__ self.transaction = xshandle().transaction_start() File "/usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/xen/xend/xenstore/xsutil.py", line 18, in xshandle xs_handle = xen.lowlevel.xs.xs() RuntimeError: (111, 'Connection refused') I traced the binary and I see this : [pid 2954] socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0) = 4 [pid 2954] connect(4, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/var/run/xenstored/socket"}, 110) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) [pid 2954] close(4) [pid 2943] socket(PF_FILE, SOCK_STREAM, 0 [pid 2954] write(2, "Failed to contact xenstore (Conn"..., 65 The socket exists but nothing has a handle on it though : $ ls -l /var/run/xenstored/socket srw--- 1 root root 0 Mar 16 16:18 /var/run/xenstored/socket It suggests xenstore is my problem but in the same trace I see it executing ok : [pid 2946] execve("/usr/sbin/xenstored", ["xenstored", "--pid-file=/var/run/xenstore.pid"...], [/* 20 vars */]) = 0 So I ran it manually and I get this : # FATAL: Failed to initialize dom0 state: No such device full talloc report on 'null_context' (total 56 bytes in 3 blocks) struct domain contains 56 bytes in 2 blocks (ref 0) /local/domain/0contains 16 bytes in 1 blocks (ref 0) Another trace shows the failure probably being here : open("/proc/xen/xsd_kva", O_RDWR) = 10 mmap2(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_SHARED, 10, 0) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) close(10) # ls -l /proc/xen/xsd_kva -r 1 root root 0 Mar 16 16:31 /proc/xen/xsd_kva That's about as far as my debugging skills can go, anybody seen/know this?
No Joy From Attempted Hard Disk Install With T3
I just attempted to install FC5T3 via hard disk and got the complaint about repo data. Just to be sure I tried both from the DVD iso and the 5 disc iso set. Is it just me? Have others succeeded installing from iso files on another hd partition? It would be nice for this to be working whith the FC5 release, of course. -- Janina SajkaPhone: +1.240.715.1272 Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://www.CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada--Go to http://www.ScreenlessPhone.Com to learn more. Chair, Accessibility Workgroup Free Standards Group (FSG) jan...@freestandards.orghttp://a11y.org