Re: PolicyKit changes in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 21:00 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 Just a heads-up:
 
 We hope to land a new PolicyKit version (which will turn into 1.0,
 eventually) in F12 soon. 

PolicyKit 0.92 has now landed in rawhide; the package name has changed
to polkit and polkit-gnome, to allow it to coexist with PolicyKit 0.9
until the transition is completed. David has put a lot of effort into
improving the api docs which are included in polkit-devel, which should
help in getting the remaining porting done.


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heads up: corosynclib soname change and updates plan

2009-06-10 Thread Fabio M. Di Nitto
Hi all,

corosync/openais will soon be released as 1.0 with stable API/ABI.

At this point in time, the external library API/ABI should be stable
(unless major/critical issues will be found). The internal API/ABI (for
plugin) could still change.

This is my current update plan:

- update rawhide:
  * corosync/openais need to go in first.
  * cluster need to be updated too at the same time
(I maintain it, so that won't be a problem).
  * lvm2/qpidc will require at least a rebuild. AFAICT
they only use the external shared libraries to access corosync
services so they won't be affected by internal plugin API changes.
  * asterisk should be unaffected by those changes since it uses only
openais shared libraries and the API/ABI hasn't changed
since F11 (maintainer CC'ed anyway.. better safe than sorry ;)).

Once we hit the 1.0 release, and propagate it properly into rawhide, my
plans are to update F11 and F10 too. The amount of critical bug fixes in
current corosync/openais versions is simply too high to be ignored for
updates (even if it will be a bit of a painful process given the number
of packages involved).

Unless there are strong objections, I'll start building
corosync/openais/cluster tomorrow. New packages and updated spec files
will be available in CVS later today (untagged).

Thanks
Fabio


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Re: Dear VTE maintainer (Re: Broken dependencies in Fedora 11 - 2009-06-09)

2009-06-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:41:46 -0400, Matthias wrote:

 On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 22:39 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:
  Am Dienstag, den 09.06.2009, 20:00 + schrieb Michael Schwendt:
   The following packages in the repository suffer from broken dependencies:
   
   ==
   The results in this summary consider Test Updates!
   ==
   
   package: lxterminal-0.1.4-2.fc11.i586 from fedora-11-i386
 unresolved deps:
libvte.so.9
  
  Dear VTE maintainer,
  
  please consider announcing updates that will break 32 packages and
  please use fedora-devel-announce. TIA!
  
 
 Dear Christoph,
 
 please calm down. 
 The update has not been pushed. The soname bump was unintended and
 Behdad is working on correcting that, which is why I have not asked for
 rebuilds. 
 
 Thanks for listening,
 
 Matthias
 
 

Also note that yesterday I've ported the assignBlame/libmunge/conspirators
feature from mash's spam-o-matic to Extras repoclosure. It implements some
basic checks to determine which library package might have broken the 
dependencies
and then sends a full copy of the broken deps report to its package owners.
The vte owners have received a rather long report.

And let's not forget the feedback inside bodhi.

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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Matthew Garrettm...@redhat.com wrote:
 USB is an irritating protocol that requires USB controllers to remain
 active whenever a device is attached, even if that device is doing
 nothing.

Is this somewhat addressed in the USB3 specs?


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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread King InuYasha
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Michal Nowak mno...@redhat.com wrote:

 Just noticed Canonical is pushing GRUB 2 as default in
 Ubuntu 9.10 [1]. There are some hints on testing [2] and
 from what I can see there are 40 bugs opened against
 GRUB 2 in launchpad [3] v. zero in our Bugzilla.

 Was wondering what's the plan for Fedora and GRUB 2 as I
 can see there's quite old snapshot in current Rawhide --
 1.98-0.5.20080827svn.fc11.
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 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-June/000573.html
 [2] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Grub2Testing
 [3] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2

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I would like to see GRUB Legacy replaced in Fedora 12 with GRUB 2,
especially with a couple odd systems here that don't seem to like GRUB
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Re: x86_64 kernel + i586 F11 userspace + yum

2009-06-10 Thread Paul Jakma

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Warren Togami wrote:


setarch i386 chroot /path/to/i586root

Do this and yum will behave properly.


Ok, that should improve things if I want to do a series of installs. 
Thanks!


It's still extra typing though. Also, any ideas on having the x86_64 
kernel auto-updated (while keeping userpsace i586)?


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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Kevin Kofler
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
 In portuguese we don't have acent in the c

But other languages do have ć, so it's only logical that accent+c produces
it.

Use [RAlt]+[,] and [c] to get ç.

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Re: mono-2.4 and ppc64 status

2009-06-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:11:33 +0200, SmootherFrOgZ wrote:

  list

 I assume that no one have any mono packages to rebuilt.
 then if so, i gonna request a push above packages.

Are F-11 and devel in sync? It seems you have not built any of these
changes for devel (.fc12).

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F10 updates-testing - F11 updates-testing yum upgrade issue

2009-06-10 Thread Pekka Savola
When trying to do a yum upgrade from 10 updates-testing to 11 
updates-testing, I get the following:


This is due to F11 updates-testing 'vte' package including a newer 
version of libvte, but the previous version was not retained.  Could 
someone push a rebuild of gnome-terminal, gnome-desktop-sharp, 
Terminal and grip ASAP (maybe other packages are affected as well) ?


Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
gnome-terminal-2.26.2-1.fc11.i586 (updates-testing)
Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
gnome-desktop-sharp-2.26.0-1.fc11.i586 (fedora)
Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
Terminal-0.2.12-1.fc11.i586 (fedora)
Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
Terminal-0.2.12-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
1:grip-3.2.0-26.fc11.i586 (fedora)


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Re: F10 updates-testing - F11 updates-testing yum upgrade issue

2009-06-10 Thread Peter Robinson
 When trying to do a yum upgrade from 10 updates-testing to 11
 updates-testing, I get the following:

 This is due to F11 updates-testing 'vte' package including a newer version
 of libvte, but the previous version was not retained.  Could someone push a
 rebuild of gnome-terminal, gnome-desktop-sharp, Terminal and grip ASAP
 (maybe other packages are affected as well) ?

Read the mailing list archives. This has already been addressed in the
last day or so.

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Re: mono-2.4 and ppc64 status

2009-06-10 Thread SmootherFrOgZ
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Michael Schwendtmschwe...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 23:11:33 +0200, SmootherFrOgZ wrote:

  list

 I assume that no one have any mono packages to rebuilt.
 then if so, i gonna request a push above packages.

 Are F-11 and devel in sync? It seems you have not built any of these
 changes for devel (.fc12).


 I did, on some packages already (eg. gtk-sharp2, gnome-sharp). the
rest are on their ways
If you have package to rebuild, feel free to do it


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Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-10 Thread Panu Matilainen

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009, Matthias Clasen wrote:


On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 14:58 +0200, Christoph Wickert wrote:



# for /usr/share/gnome/autostart
Requires: gnome-session


Great! This adds
gnome-session: 1.8 MB
control-center: 7.1 MB
GConf2: 5,5 MB
gnome-keyring: 2,3 MB
gnome-vfs2: 3.1 MB

You added at least ~ 22,8 MB overhead just for directory ownership,
although I asked you to _not_ do this. I think users of alternative
desktops and the maintainers of their spins will not be amused. Last
week you told me, that a one advantage of the new polkit is that no
longer requires GConf2, but now it's dragged in again.



Your anger is misdirected. Complain to the rpm people for not handling
directories in a sane way. Or better still, send them a patch...


Define sane. The unowned directory issue was hashed at quite a length in 
January [1], every option was disliked by somebody.


Short summary of the options discussed:
a) Create file dependencies for every directory not explicitly owned by 
the package at build time. Easy to do and works with everything out there 
but causes *huge* metadata bloat.


b) Calculate directory dependencies at runtime. Easy to do but either 
causes transactions to abort due to missing dependencies whenever unowned 
directories are found, or would require changing all the depsolvers to 
know about and handle the implicit directory dependencies too.


c) Have rpm silently add ownership of unowned directories to the package 
that creates them. This could cause weird directory conflicts when some 
other package actually owns the directory / becomes the owner, and just 
feels wrong anyhow.


d) Variations of a-c where it'd just warn about the unowned directories.

I've been playing with using directories for additional ordering 
information (fairly easy to do), c) is basically a one-liner patch on top 
of that.


[1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-January/msg02326.html

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Re: F10 updates-testing - F11 updates-testing yum upgrade issue

2009-06-10 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:20:42 +0300 (EEST), Pekka wrote:

 When trying to do a yum upgrade from 10 updates-testing to 11 
 updates-testing, I get the following:
 
 This is due to F11 updates-testing 'vte' package including a newer 
 version of libvte, but the previous version was not retained.  Could 
 someone push a rebuild of gnome-terminal, gnome-desktop-sharp, 
 Terminal and grip ASAP (maybe other packages are affected as well) ?
 
 Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
 gnome-terminal-2.26.2-1.fc11.i586 (updates-testing)
 Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
 gnome-desktop-sharp-2.26.0-1.fc11.i586 (fedora)
 Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
 Terminal-0.2.12-1.fc11.i586 (fedora)
 Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
 Terminal-0.2.12-1.fc11.i586 (updates)
 Error: Missing Dependency: libvte.so.9 is needed by package 
 1:grip-3.2.0-26.fc11.i586 (fedora)
 

See the older threads about it. It's an accident, and btw, with a SONAME
change like this in updates-testing, nobody could simply rebuild
dependencies because koji buildroot override tags are needed first. 

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Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 10:59, Florian Festi a écrit :

 Nicolas Mailhot wrote:

 1. something auto-triggered transparently (didn't we learn anything
 from
 existing package triggers?).

 I think you make the wrong comparison here (although I admit that the
 matching names make it tempting). Triggers fill holes in the scriptlet
 mechanism and though are restricted to obscure and complicated cases.

The new trigger proposal has exactly the same problem as existing
triggers: processing which is specified in a separate package, and
happens magically if this package is available (on system or on build
root), without the packager of the current package having any control
on it. It will lead to exactly the same weird bugs and packager pain.

Again, if you think you've factored out some cool processing function,
please oh please give it a proper name/id and convince packagers to
explicitely invoke this name/id in their specs do not inject code
behind their backs.

Wishing it all to happen transparently with no packager action is
laudable, but in practice all past attempts to do so have ended up in
pain for packagers and as they say the road to hell is paved with good
intentions

 But semi automatic sub package creation is going to be an
 important part when/if we split out language sub packages. My idea is
 that you specify a regex for the files that go into the sub packages
 and a matching group that names the sub package and becomes a macro
 used in the package template.

After 8+ months factoring out font subpackage creation and being
forced by rpm limitations to do some form of automatic subpackage
creation I can plainly say this is a bad idea. Packagers need the
subpackage declarations to hang on deps, conflicts, ancillary files
like doc, etc. Packagers need the subpackage declaration to control
the size of theirs packages. Even if some package source includes 100
files with the same technical characteristics that does not mean you
want to create a monster 100-files subpackages (and this is not a
theorical argument, see TEX for example).

So, do factor out logic, do help packagers assemble subpackages by
calling common routines on the files they choose, but do not try to
select the files in their stead. Except for very trivial cases you're
going to have fallout, limitations and other unintended side-effects
all over the place.

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Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-10 Thread Panu Matilainen

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 10:59, Florian Festi a écrit :


Nicolas Mailhot wrote:



1. something auto-triggered transparently (didn't we learn anything
from
existing package triggers?).


I think you make the wrong comparison here (although I admit that the
matching names make it tempting). Triggers fill holes in the scriptlet
mechanism and though are restricted to obscure and complicated cases.


The new trigger proposal has exactly the same problem as existing
triggers: processing which is specified in a separate package, and
happens magically if this package is available (on system or on build
root), without the packager of the current package having any control
on it. It will lead to exactly the same weird bugs and packager pain.

Again, if you think you've factored out some cool processing function,
please oh please give it a proper name/id and convince packagers to
explicitely invoke this name/id in their specs do not inject code
behind their backs.

Wishing it all to happen transparently with no packager action is
laudable, but in practice all past attempts to do so have ended up in
pain for packagers and as they say the road to hell is paved with good
intentions


File triggers are certainly not the holy grail of packaging, they're only 
applicaple to a pretty limited set of situations, from the top of my head:


1) Caches updaters which you only want to run once per transaction:
- ldconfig
- scrolkeeper-update
- gtk-update-icon-cache
- update-desktop-database
- fc-cache

2) Files in well-known locations that might be automatically registerable:
- install-info add + remove of %{_infodir}/*.info*
- init scripts (chkconfig --add/--del, service stop/condrestart)
- gconf schema install+remove
- plugin registrations

The cases in 1) are the classic file trigger examples, things that 
aren't absolutely critical for the package itself to be runnable, and 
where false positives / multiple unnecessary runs are not dangerous at 
all. They're just telling some other package please update your caches. 
I dont see any point in requiring special extra magic in specs to activate 
them.


The cases in 2) differ in varying degrees. Info-file 
registration/unregistration seems safe enough to me: by putting an *.info* 
file into %{_infodir} you are announcing it's an info file. There's not 
much room for mistakes here I'd think, and it's quite close to category 1) 
actually, except it needs to run at different times (to handle removal). 
Services and gconf .. might not be so obvious, and whether plugin 
registration/unregistration can reliably be done automatically is

case by case.

In both categories there's a big difference to the current name/provide 
triggers: with file triggers you knowingly place something into some other 
packages directory, so following the principles of directory ownership you 
should already depend on the other package. With name/provide triggers any 
completely unrelated package can do anything at all at any time. Maybe 
packages should only be able to add triggers on directories they actually 
own (subject to abuse too but then what isnt...).


AFAICT, you're talking what would basically be a named trigger, to which 
packages subscribe to if they want to. It's not at odds with file 
triggers at all, and both are likely to get implemented sooner or later. 
What distros choose to use for particular task is up to their packaging 
committees and whatnot, rpm is to only provide a mechanism, not policy 
or any magic internal triggers here.


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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Jesse Keating
On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:32 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 
 Through F12 I'm going to be slowly enabling autosuspend on various 
 pieces of USB hardware. The aim is to ensure that it's only enabled on 
 hardware that supports it. This is going to be a combination of kernel 
 modifications and packaging changes, and while I'll be testing as many 
 as possible before uploading anything there's a risk that some hardware 
 will misbehave. I'll let people know when I think I'm about to upload 
 anything risky.

Is this something worthy of being a feature?

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Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 12:25 +0300, Panu Matilainen wrote:

 
 c) Have rpm silently add ownership of unowned directories to the package 
 that creates them. This could cause weird directory conflicts when some 
 other package actually owns the directory / becomes the owner, and just 
 feels wrong anyhow.
 

I think we want something slighly less than this; rpm should track the
fact that a directory was created just because some files needed to be
put there, and it should be able to clean up if the last such file is
removed. But I should not fully assign ownership of the directory to the
packages that just drop files in there. Ref-counting of implicitly owned
directories of some sort. But if a package explicitly owning the
directory is later installed, it should of course take over the
ownership.



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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira

Em 10-06-2009 07:32, Bill Crawford escreveu:

Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:

Hello Guys!
We have a problem with the keyboard Us Internacional.

I'm using Fedora 11 in pt_BR

Looking the file /lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us-acentos.map.gz, I
found this:

compose '\'' 'C' to 'Ç'
compose '\'' 'c' to 'ç'

This is correct, but, when I press ' + c or ' + C = ć or Ć.

In portuguese we don't have acent in the c, the correct is ç (C +
cedilla)

So, how can We fix this problem ?



It's possible (you don't say) that you're experiencing this problem
within X, not at the console. If so, it's because the compose file has
'+c = ć (see /usr/share/X11/locale/pt_BR.UTF-8/Compose for details). Try
composing , (comma) and c.



The error is the same in the console and X.

rpm -qf /lib/kbd/keymaps/i386/qwerty/us-acentos.map.gz

The package is kbd-1.15-7.fc11.i586

I will report a bug.

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Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-10 Thread Panu Matilainen

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:

Le Mer 10 juin 2009 13:21, Panu Matilainen a écrit :





File triggers are certainly not the holy grail of packaging, they're
only
applicaple to a pretty limited set of situations, from the top of my
head:

1) Caches updaters which you only want to run once per transaction:
- ldconfig
- scrolkeeper-update
- gtk-update-icon-cache
- update-desktop-database
- fc-cache


Actually, I doubt we will ever run fc-cache once per transaction. The
consequences of bad fontconfig caches are just too high. What we've
been doing is runing fc-cache just-as-needed by making each srpm
install files in a different directory and having resulting rpms
refresh only this directory cache, instead of processing all the
system font directories each time a font package is installed.


Well, I'm not intimately aware of the font handling details nor do I 
want to be, I was just under the impression the font cache belongs to the 
category 1). And this is why the actual script to do whatever magic it 
needs to do, when it needs to, would be in a distros fontconfig package, 
not rpm.



2) Files in well-known locations that might be automatically
registerable:
- install-info add + remove of %{_infodir}/*.info*
- init scripts (chkconfig --add/--del, service stop/condrestart)
- gconf schema install+remove
- plugin registrations

The cases in 1) are the classic file trigger examples, things that
aren't absolutely critical for the package itself to be runnable, and
where false positives / multiple unnecessary runs are not dangerous at
all.


Multiple runs yes, false positives do not be so sure. False positives
is the main weakness of this proposal and good stuff will happen if
the autoselection is correct is very different from bad stuff won't
happen if the autoselection is false.


False positive in this context would mean either
a) the cache update run without needing to
b) a package put something into a wrong directory

a) is harmless as per multiple runs, b) is a grave packaging bug which 
with file triggers would be caught when installing the buggy package, 
instead of next cache update started by something else which then might 
blow up/issue warnings long time afterwards.





They're just telling some other package please update your
caches.


And relying on the cache updating utilities to have ironclad false
positive protection logic. Which is not a given, since those utilities
have always been explicitely invoked with a human sanity-checking
input files before.


See above, they already need an ironclad false positive protection.


BTW: the system can usually manage when those caches are stale, not
when they are corrupted.


I dont see any point in requiring special extra magic in specs to
activate
them.

The cases in 2) differ in varying degrees. Info-file
registration/unregistration seems safe enough to me: by putting an
*.info*
file into %{_infodir} you are announcing it's an info file. There's
not
much room for mistakes here I'd think, and it's quite close to
category 1)
actually, except it needs to run at different times (to handle
removal).


This is backwards IMHO
1. it relies on all interesting files having a clear FHS location or
unambiguous file name


The idea of file triggers is *based* on the well known locations. If 
something doesn't have a clear and well known location, file triggers are 
not at all the right solution for it.



2. it relies on the packager guessing the right places to put his
files to trigger processing. The logic should not be I have an info
file, let's put it here so rpm guesses it's an info file and does the
right thing.


There's hardly guessing involved, you put things where they belong just
like you're currently doing: the canonical location for info files is
%{_infodir} and not %{_libdir}/mypackage/ for example, and the info
trigger would not look anywhere outside %{_infodir}. So for the average
autoconf using software it's taken care of by %configure already.

Again, if something doesn't have a well defined place, file triggers
shouldn't be used.

The logic should be I tell rpm this is an info file and

rpm does the right thing, including installing it in the right place.


That forces *rpm* to know something about any arbitrary file type and 
location you might ever want to handle. You know how well that works for 
automatic dependency generation - I really doubt you want more of the 
same. The knowledge belongs to the packages knowing how to handle 
something, be it fontconfig or icon cache or whatever.



This is of course the POW of a packager that has to cope with
imperfect tools that try to be smarter than they can be, not the POW
of the person that writes the smart tools and is convinced he can't do
wrong.


See above, this is why you dont want *rpm* in control of things, only to 
provide a mechanism to utilize where it makes sense.



Now, some way to register build-time trigger warnings your package is
installing X file that seems to 

vmware tools

2009-06-10 Thread philippe makowski
Hello,

I just upgrade to Fedora 11 my virtual box , but I can't build vmware-tools
does anyone succeeded ?

(x86_64 and vmware-tools sources here :
http://download3.vmware.com/software/fusion/VMware-tools-linux-116369.iso
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Customizable script in /etc which is executed during package update

2009-06-10 Thread Adam Tkac
Hi all,

I've been contacted with one man who is using named daemon in chroot
environment. In Fedora = 10 there is script called
bind-chroot-admin which synchronized non-chroot and chroot
configuration files (mostly created symlinks to chroot). This script
has been removed in F11 development process due various reasons
(http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?viewmode=flattopic_id=63613forum=11)

As the man suggested it would be nice to have a method to automatically
synchronize chroot and non-chroot during updates because it will simplify
administration.

I would like to add script called /etc/sysconfig/named-chroot-update-hook
which will be modified by administrator to sync needed files to chroot
environment during each update. Then every admin will easily maintain his
own version of chroot.

What do you think about this? Do you know any better approach?

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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira

Em 10-06-2009 05:21, Kevin Kofler escreveu:

Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:

In portuguese we don't have acent in the c


But other languages do have ć, so it's only logical that accent+c produces
it.

Use [RAlt]+[,] and [c] to get ç.

 Kevin Kofler



It works, but we can't change the default way to use the us_acentos 
keyboard.


Since Fedora 1 and in all others SOs when we choose the pt_BR language 
and the US Internacional keyboard when we press C + ' we have = ç


I will report a bug.

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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Glauber Costa
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:21:07AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
  In portuguese we don't have acent in the c
 
 But other languages do have ć, so it's only logical that accent+c produces
 it.
 
 Use [RAlt]+[,] and [c] to get ç.
 
 Kevin Kofler
He is, however, explicitly using pt_BR. We shouldn't produce keys
the selected locale does not support.

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Re: File Triggers (was Re: Proposal (and yes, I'm willing to do stuff!): Must Use More Macros)

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 15:29, Panu Matilainen a écrit :

 On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
 And this is why the actual script to do whatever magic it
 needs to do, when it needs to, would be in a distros fontconfig
 package, not rpm.

This is totally orthogonal to invoking this script via file triggers
or not.

 False positive in this context would mean either
 a) the cache update run without needing to
 b) a package put something into a wrong directory

 a) is harmless as per multiple runs, b) is a grave packaging bug which
 with file triggers would be caught when installing the buggy package,

What will happen is the very same spec will go bang in one build
environment and not another, and people will waste time trying to find
out what's different because of the transparent magic processing. That
happened many times in the past with the redhat rpm customization that
changes rpm behaviour transparently without packager intervention.

 instead of next cache update started by something else which then
 might blow up/issue warnings long time afterwards.

Cache updates triggered by apps are checked upstream. Cache updates
triggered by magic rpm transparent rules only happen in a distro
environment that uses them. I very much doubt there will ever be a
100% match between the regexps file triggers use to identify files and
the rules cache utilities use to identify what to process.

 The logic should be I tell rpm this is an info file and
 rpm does the right thing, including installing it in the right
 place.

 That forces *rpm* to know something about any arbitrary file type and
 location you might ever want to handle.

That does not force rpm to know anything more than in your proposal.

'Telling rpm X is an info file' can be done via the explicit
invocation of %_frob_info_file X, all rpm has to provide is a way for
people interested in info files to declare a %_frob_info_file which is
then available to other packages (that may use it or not depending on
preferences, distro policies and special cases *they* know of).

*this* is what is missing today. Packagers know what's in their
packages (it's *their* responsability). People know how to write bits
of processing appropriate for X or Y content (this is what SIGs and
FPC do all the time). People in group 2 know how to communicate with
group 1

What's is broken is group 2 can not give group 1 prepackaged routines
to use, because rpm does not allow injecting code that spans multiple
sections (deps, build, install, post, pre, check etc), and that
concern the same subpackage. And thus people have to cut and paste.
You can not tell packagers :
To add the font file X.ttf, to your subpackage Y, declare:

%files Y
%do_what's_appropriate_for_fonts X.ttf

and you're done

You have to paste code in build, install, post, preun, etc because of
this (and hope you never mess up with the subpackage identifier all
those sections expect). Which is a huge PITA and impedance mismatch.
The actual file type identification is *not* a problem. It's *less*
work than reading the FHS and putting files manually in a place rpm
would recognize. And in fact the FHS is not that accurate and for a
lot of files location will depend on distro policy, so reading the FHS
is not enough anyway.

 You know how well that works
 for
 automatic dependency generation - I really doubt you want more of the
 same. The knowledge belongs to the packages knowing how to handle
 something, be it fontconfig or icon cache or whatever.

The processing knowledge does not belong in the package itself. The
file identification knowledge is something else entirely.

 Well you snipped out the part about named triggers which would be
 something to this direction: an opt-in feature your package claims
 interest in (or subscribes, whatever terminology you want to use).

opt-in in IMHO safer and saner. And more flexible.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Dennis J.

On 06/10/2009 10:43 AM, Christopher Brown wrote:

2009/6/10 King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com:


I would like to see GRUB Legacy replaced in Fedora 12 with GRUB 2,
especially with a couple odd systems here that don't seem to like GRUB
Legacy all that much


Actually the reverse is true, in that you will find that GRUB 2 will
support fewer machines than GRUB Legacy. This is why, as the ubuntu
page quite correctly states, upgrading a bootloader is at best
frightening and risky.



So what is the deal with GRUB development? I find it strange that upstream 
already has declared the old GRUB Legacy even though GRUB 2 isn't ready 
for prime time yet. Has the patch for full ext4 support that has been 
mentioned before landed in upstream yet? What is the timetable to get GRUB 
2 ready for primetime?


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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Matthew Garrett wrote:
 The first part of this is an upload of libfprint which enables 
 autosuspend on fingerprint readers.

Fingerprint readers and other un-unpluggable USB laptop stuff
such as flash-readers, bluetooth adapters etc. are perfect candidates
for suspending.

Is there somewhere any estimate about the amount of power this feature
can save?

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Re: Bittorrent speeds...

2009-06-10 Thread Jeff MacDonald
Greetings,

On Wednesday 10 June 2009 01:56:38 Nathanael D. Noblet wrote:
[...snipped...]

 X86_64 DVD Install. I dropped the max connections and have slowly bumped
 it up from there. Its at 350 now, so I'm now getting 500K/s. Not really
 sure what was going on, when I looked at the peer/seeder list, there
 were lots and lots of connections, but 0K up/down. I figured if I
 dropped the number of connections maybe deluge would perhaps keep the
 ones sending stuff a bit better... Not really sure what's going on but
 its much better than the 8-20K I was getting.


Who is your Internet Provider? It is possible that they are tampering with 
your torrents.

http://www.eff.org/testyourisp

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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 16:48, Glauber Costa a écrit :

 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 10:21:07AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
  In portuguese we don't have acent in the c

 But other languages do have ć, so it's only logical that accent+c
 produces
 it.

 Use [RAlt]+[,] and [c] to get ç.

 Kevin Kofler
 He is, however, explicitly using pt_BR. We shouldn't produce keys
 the selected locale does not support.

He's not using a locale-specific layout. He's using en_US(intl) which
is *not* guaranteed to do the best thing for every possible locale
(just to try to provide a middle ground for qwerty users)

If he wants portuguese/brasilian specific behaviour, he needs to use
(and create if it does not exist) a portuguese/brasilian specific
layout.

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Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 15:28, Matthias Clasen a écrit :

 I think we want something slighly less than this; rpm should track the
 fact that a directory was created just because some files needed to be
 put there, and it should be able to clean up if the last such file is
 removed. But I should not fully assign ownership of the directory to
 the
 packages that just drop files in there. Ref-counting of implicitly
 owned directories of some sort.

That assumes all directory permissions are created equal, which isn't
the case. Explicit automatic rpm directory ownership (à la rpm5.org,
with the associated metadata growth), or manual directory ownership
(as in Fedora today) are here to make sure two packages can not create
the same directory with different perms.

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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:15:30AM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:32 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
  
  Through F12 I'm going to be slowly enabling autosuspend on various 
  pieces of USB hardware. The aim is to ensure that it's only enabled on 
  hardware that supports it. This is going to be a combination of kernel 
  modifications and packaging changes, and while I'll be testing as many 
  as possible before uploading anything there's a risk that some hardware 
  will misbehave. I'll let people know when I think I'm about to upload 
  anything risky.
 
 Is this something worthy of being a feature?

Possibly. I'd pretty much thought of it as bugfixing, but feature sounds 
fair.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Christopher Brown snecklif...@gmail.comwrote:

 2009/6/10 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com:

  I would like to see GRUB Legacy replaced in Fedora 12 with GRUB 2,
  especially with a couple odd systems here that don't seem to like GRUB
  Legacy all that much

 Actually the reverse is true, in that you will find that GRUB 2 will
 support fewer machines than GRUB Legacy. This is why, as the ubuntu
 page quite correctly states, upgrading a bootloader is at best
 frightening and risky.

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While that is true, I have already seen two of my machines unable to boot
through GRUB Legacy that could through GRUB 2.
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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Dennis J. denni...@conversis.de wrote:

 On 06/10/2009 10:43 AM, Christopher Brown wrote:

 2009/6/10 King InuYashangomp...@gmail.com:

  I would like to see GRUB Legacy replaced in Fedora 12 with GRUB 2,
 especially with a couple odd systems here that don't seem to like GRUB
 Legacy all that much


 Actually the reverse is true, in that you will find that GRUB 2 will
 support fewer machines than GRUB Legacy. This is why, as the ubuntu
 page quite correctly states, upgrading a bootloader is at best
 frightening and risky.


 So what is the deal with GRUB development? I find it strange that upstream
 already has declared the old GRUB Legacy even though GRUB 2 isn't ready
 for prime time yet. Has the patch for full ext4 support that has been
 mentioned before landed in upstream yet? What is the timetable to get GRUB 2
 ready for primetime?

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Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long time ago.
GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the features the various
vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as well as being able to
support EFI and basically supporting what the Chameleon bootloader does in
addition to the GRUB Legacy's support. Though I doubt fake-EFI would be
implemented in GRUB 2
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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 05:16:41PM +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
 Matthew Garrett wrote:
  The first part of this is an upload of libfprint which enables 
  autosuspend on fingerprint readers.
 
 Fingerprint readers and other un-unpluggable USB laptop stuff
 such as flash-readers, bluetooth adapters etc. are perfect candidates
 for suspending.

USB mass storage is more awkward, but otherwise yes. Note that this 
isn't inherently about suspending the device - they may go into a power 
savig state, but it's not required that they be fully powered down. The 
issue is more about letting the *bus* power down. How much we save will 
depend on the specific bus layout on a given machine, and also whether 
we can successfully autosuspend all of the drivers.
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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Adam Jackson
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:

 Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
 time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
 features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
 well as being able to support EFI and basically supporting what the
 Chameleon bootloader does in addition to the GRUB Legacy's support.
 Though I doubt fake-EFI would be implemented in GRUB 2

The grub we're already shipping has EFI support.

I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
solved with grub2.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread drago01
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:36 PM, Adam Jacksona...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:

 Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
 time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
 features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
 well as being able to support EFI and basically supporting what the
 Chameleon bootloader does in addition to the GRUB Legacy's support.
 Though I doubt fake-EFI would be implemented in GRUB 2

 The grub we're already shipping has EFI support.

 I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
 solved with grub2.

the version number ;)

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Casey Dahlin
drago01 wrote:
 I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
 solved with grub2.
 
 the version number ;)
 

A better argument than you'd think. The number itself is no big deal, but the 
fact that upstream is a hollow void in the universe certainly troubles users 
looking for support.

I seriously doubt grub 2 is the right fix for that, but it'd be nice to not 
have the distro leaning on a boot loader that everyone swears is dead code.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 18:41 +0200, Dennis J. wrote:

 If that's the case then it obviously makes sense to stick with grub 
 legacy but given it's status who is going to be upstream for this? What I 
 fear is a similar situation like we had with rpm where nobody really took 
 ownership and vendors carried their own individual patches wich doesn't 
 really work well with fedoras stay close to upstream mantra.

For better or worse, we are effectively running a grub fork, and I see
very little desire to change that...

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Jonathan Underwood
2009/6/10 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 18:41 +0200, Dennis J. wrote:

 If that's the case then it obviously makes sense to stick with grub
 legacy but given it's status who is going to be upstream for this? What I
 fear is a similar situation like we had with rpm where nobody really took
 ownership and vendors carried their own individual patches wich doesn't
 really work well with fedoras stay close to upstream mantra.

 For better or worse, we are effectively running a grub fork, and I see
 very little desire to change that...

Is extlinux worth considering as a replacement? I know Foresight has
gone that road.

Jonathan (who knows nothing about bootloaders).

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/10/2009 12:05 PM, King InuYasha wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Christopher Brown 
 snecklif...@gmail.comwrote:
 
 2009/6/10 King InuYasha ngomp...@gmail.com:

 I would like to see GRUB Legacy replaced in Fedora 12 with GRUB 2,
 especially with a couple odd systems here that don't seem to like GRUB
 Legacy all that much
 Actually the reverse is true, in that you will find that GRUB 2 will
 support fewer machines than GRUB Legacy. This is why, as the ubuntu
 page quite correctly states, upgrading a bootloader is at best
 frightening and risky.

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 While that is true, I have already seen two of my machines unable to boot
 through GRUB Legacy that could through GRUB 2.

Bug numbers?

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Re: Upgrade to F11, now yum python module missing

2009-06-10 Thread Stefan Grosse
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:37 +0200 Stefan Grosse
singularit...@gmx.net wrote:

SG During the DVD upgrade from F10 - F11 I encountered the issue that
SG my yum appears broken now:
SG 
SG 
SG There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
SG required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:
SG 
SGNo module named yum
SG 

I could solve it by installing the yum rpm directly via rpm but I
needed the force argument. Somehow the yum was not upgraded correctly,
give the hint that the old yum was still there.

Thx anyway.
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Re: Upgrade to F11, now yum python module missing

2009-06-10 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:37 +0200
Stefan Grosse singularit...@gmx.net wrote:

 During the DVD upgrade from F10 - F11 I encountered the issue that my
 yum appears broken now:

First: Note that this is the devel list, please post end user support
questions over on fedora-list? 

Did you have 'updates-testing' enabled in f10?

I suspect that the version in f10 updates-testing is newer than the one
in f11, so it didn't get upgraded. Try installing the yum from f11
updates-testing. 

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Re: Keyboard US Internacional

2009-06-10 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:

 Since Fedora 1 and in all others SOs when we choose the 
pt_BR language
 and the US Internacional keyboard when we press C + ' we 
have = ç
 
 I will report a bug.
 

This is NOT a bug!

I have been using en_US International for many years and in 
Canada, when we write in French, we use the ç and Ç a lot and 
they have always been right where they are now, as Kevin 
pointed out. The ć and Ć must exist in other languages.

Please post the bug number to this list, so that we can 
correctly refute the bug.


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Re: Upgrade to F11, now yum python module missing

2009-06-10 Thread Seth Vidal



On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Stefan Grosse wrote:


On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:17:37 +0200 Stefan Grosse
singularit...@gmx.net wrote:

SG During the DVD upgrade from F10 - F11 I encountered the issue that
SG my yum appears broken now:
SG
SG
SG There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
SG required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:
SG
SGNo module named yum
SG

I could solve it by installing the yum rpm directly via rpm but I
needed the force argument. Somehow the yum was not upgraded correctly,
give the hint that the old yum was still there.



you had yum 3.2.23 from f10 updates-testing installed but F11-GA has 
3.2.22 available.


so you were updated to python 2.6 from 2.5 - which 'lost' the newer f10 
yum b/c it is in the python 2.5 path.


You can try:
1. download yum 3.2.23 from F11-updates
2. install it with rpm -Uvh pkg

or

1. export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages
2. yum update yum

I'm curious if this second one will work.

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Re: rpms/polkit-gnome/devel polkit-gnome.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-10 Thread Panu Matilainen

On Wed, 10 Jun 2009, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:


Le Mer 10 juin 2009 15:28, Matthias Clasen a écrit :


I think we want something slighly less than this; rpm should track the
fact that a directory was created just because some files needed to be
put there, and it should be able to clean up if the last such file is
removed. But I should not fully assign ownership of the directory to
the
packages that just drop files in there. Ref-counting of implicitly
owned directories of some sort.


That assumes all directory permissions are created equal, which isn't
the case. Explicit automatic rpm directory ownership (à la rpm5.org,
with the associated metadata growth),


AFAIK rpm5.org generates the directory dependencies at runtime from data 
already present in headers, ie the case b) I described here:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg00671.html. 
There's no associated metadata growth with that option, it's easy to add 
and forces directory ownership to be sorted out in the packages, otherwise 
the packages are simply uninstallable.


The directory information is of course in repodata too, but in the costly 
filelists part. Smart and apt have to download it anyway so they could be 
taught to look at directories with little zero extra cost, yum is the one 
that would take an extra hit here by having to always download filelists 
unlike now. Or move the directories into the primary metadata piece, or do 
a second depsolve + download round after ts.check() to pull in the runtime 
dependencies. In any case, every depsolver needs some modifications to 
work smoothly with this option.


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Re: Upgrade to F11, now yum python module missing

2009-06-10 Thread Stefan Grosse
On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Seth Vidal
skvi...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

SV You can try:
SV 1. download yum 3.2.23 from F11-updates
SV 2. install it with rpm -Uvh pkg
SV 
SV or
SV 
SV 1. export PYTHONPATH=/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages
SV 2. yum update yum
SV 
SV I'm curious if this second one will work.

Thanks for the advice. I tried the first solution so sorry that I
cannot tell whether the second works.

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Pkgdb 0.4 update scheduled for Monday

2009-06-10 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
Hi all,

Assuming all goes well with an account system upgrade this week, we're
going to be updating the PackageDB to 0.4 on Monday, June 10.  An outage
notification will go out later that tells the exact times.  This is just
a note that anyone who has scripts hitting the package database for
information should check that they still work with the instance we are
running in staging:

https://admin.stg.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/

The most notable change to the API is that usernames and group names are
now returned everywhere isntead of userids and groupids.  For the most
part, this should make scripts simpler as you no longer have to query
FAS if you just need the username.

If you encounter bugs or have any concerns, let me know via email, a
reply to this message, or on irc.freenode.net (I'm abadger1999).

-Toshio



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Re: hda-verb and sound problems with Acer Aspire 8930G

2009-06-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 13:45 +0300, Muayyad AlSadi wrote:
 a brother have reported a problem in sound since F10
 and he moved to F11 and he still have the problem
 lspci | grep Audio gives
 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio
 Controller (rev 03)
 (for more diagnostics see English output in
 http://www.linuxac.org/forum/linuxac68/thread23699.html )
 
 the solution to that problem is by calling hda-verb on each boot
 http://www.linlap.com/wiki/Acer+Aspire+8930G
 ubuntu: http://jan.saell.org/blog/archives/30
 suse: http://en.opensuse.org/SDB_Discussion:Intel-HDA_sound_problems
 mandriva: 
 http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/mandriva/2009.1/x86_64/media/contrib/release/hda-verb-0.3-1mdv2009.1.x86_64.html
 kernel: ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/tiwai/misc/
 
 so can somebody tell me if this was discussed for fedora and if
 hda-verb was packed

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=499488

is a bug I filed to try and pull together all the various bits of
information about this problem.

hda-verb isn't packaged for Fedora AFAICT, though.
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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 17:04 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 09:15:30AM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
  On Tue, 2009-06-09 at 19:32 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
   
   Through F12 I'm going to be slowly enabling autosuspend on various 
   pieces of USB hardware. The aim is to ensure that it's only enabled on 
   hardware that supports it. This is going to be a combination of kernel 
   modifications and packaging changes, and while I'll be testing as many 
   as possible before uploading anything there's a risk that some hardware 
   will misbehave. I'll let people know when I think I'm about to upload 
   anything risky.
  
  Is this something worthy of being a feature?
 
 Possibly. I'd pretty much thought of it as bugfixing, but feature sounds 
 fair.

Making it a feature would make for easy integration with the Test Day
process, and this sounds like a good thing to have a Test Day for - it
should be relatively easy, and beneficial to development (as we should
be able to get people with a wide variety of devices to show up).

Please do ping me or jlaska if you'd be interested in doing a test day
for this.
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Live from Raleigh, it's Fedora Activity Day! (A list of proposals regarding Fedora Development Cycle)

2009-06-10 Thread Jesse Keating
We've had a very productive 3 days here at the Fedora Activity Day.  Our
wiki page [1] details what we came here to as well as gobby logs of our
work in progress.

Yesterday we identified a number of proposals we could make to resolve
many of the issues we've talked about, and today we created a series of
wiki pages to contain those proposals.

Below you will find a list of the proposals as well as the principle
person responsible for the proposal.  Some of these will be ready for
FESCo review now, some will require more work and discussion, and some
will require others to be finished first.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Milestone_Adjustment_Proposal - Bill
Nottingham

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Israwhidebroken.com_Proposal - Will Woods
and James Laska

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Koji_Build_Autosign_Proposal - Jesse
Keating

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Critical_Path_Packages_Proposal - Seth
Vidal

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal - Jesse
Keating

I'm sure we'll be seeing more chatter about these in the coming days.  I
would request that if you wish to talk about any of these proposals,
please start a new thread, lest this becomes a giant pile-on thread that
would be difficult to follow in the archives, OR use the discussion tab
in the wiki page for the particular proposal.

For those of you that were able to join our Fedora Talk session and IRC
channel, thank you for your valuable input and I hope we made it easy to
participate as the event happened.

Things are winding down here, a few of us are going to start some of the
groundwork for some of these proposals as well as tackling some of the
other issues identified at this FAD which require no proposal for
change, only time and energy to fix.

I hope you all enjoyed Fedora 11!
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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
Matthew Garrett wrote:

 The 
 issue is more about letting the *bus* power down. How much we save will 
 depend on the specific bus layout on a given machine, and also whether 
 we can successfully autosuspend all of the drivers.

Modern machines are full of (mostly empty) buses, so there is hope the
gain will not be insignificant. :-)

$ lsusb
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 010: ID 0a5c:2110 Broadcom Corp. Bluetooth Controller
Bus 003 Device 003: ID 0483:2016 SGS Thomson Microelectronics Fingerprint Reader
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub


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Re: hda-verb and sound problems with Acer Aspire 8930G

2009-06-10 Thread Muayyad AlSadi
thanks, that's useful
I'll try to make an rpm for hda-verb

and make a brother of mine test it

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Re: vmware tools

2009-06-10 Thread Denis Leroy

On 06/10/2009 03:30 PM, philippe makowski wrote:

Hello,

I just upgrade to Fedora 11 my virtual box , but I can't build vmware-tools
does anyone succeeded ?

(x86_64 and vmware-tools sources here :
http://download3.vmware.com/software/fusion/VMware-tools-linux-116369.iso
)


This is off-topic for this list, but you should try to use the open 
source version of those tools on RPMFusion (open-vm-tools).


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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 06:41:55PM +0200, Dennis J. wrote:
 [..] with fedoras stay close to upstream mantra.

I'm glad somebody said it.

Can someone summarise what the problems are with GRUB2?

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Dennis J. denni...@conversis.de wrote:

 On 06/10/2009 06:36 PM, Adam Jackson wrote:

 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:

  Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
 time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
 features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
 well as being able to support EFI and basically supporting what the
 Chameleon bootloader does in addition to the GRUB Legacy's support.
 Though I doubt fake-EFI would be implemented in GRUB 2


 The grub we're already shipping has EFI support.

 I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
 solved with grub2.


 If that's the case then it obviously makes sense to stick with grub
 legacy but given it's status who is going to be upstream for this? What I
 fear is a similar situation like we had with rpm where nobody really took
 ownership and vendors carried their own individual patches wich doesn't
 really work well with fedoras stay close to upstream mantra.


 Regards,
  Dennis



We are already in that position. However, with Ubuntu's apparent willingness
to test and see if GRUB 2 is worthy of being used in Ubuntu 9.10, other
distros may actually do so as well. Perhaps Fedora should do a test day or
something after figuring out what features we need our boot loader to
actually support and if GRUB 2 would fulfill the requirements.
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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Wednesday, June 10 2009, King InuYasha said:
 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
   Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
   time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
   features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
   well as being able to support EFI and basically supporting what the
   Chameleon bootloader does in addition to the GRUB Legacy's support.
   Though I doubt fake-EFI would be implemented in GRUB 2
 
  The grub we're already shipping has EFI support.
 
  I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
  solved with grub2.
 
 EFI support is not the same as fake-EFI.

Erm, the EFI support in our grub today isn't fake-EFI.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Peter Jones
On 06/10/2009 05:17 PM, Jeremy Katz wrote:
 On Wednesday, June 10 2009, King InuYasha said:
 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 11:07 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:
 Well, the existing GRUB used in distros was declared Legacy a long
 time ago. GRUB 2 is a rewrite that is supposed to include all the
 features the various vendors have been patching into GRUB Legacy, as
 well as being able to support EFI and basically supporting what the
 Chameleon bootloader does in addition to the GRUB Legacy's support.
 Though I doubt fake-EFI would be implemented in GRUB 2
 The grub we're already shipping has EFI support.

 I have yet to hear of a problem we're actually having that would be
 solved with grub2.
 EFI support is not the same as fake-EFI.
 
 Erm, the EFI support in our grub today isn't fake-EFI.

I think he's referring to a Chameleon feature.

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Re: USB autosuspend in F12

2009-06-10 Thread Peter Robinson
 issue is more about letting the *bus* power down. How much we save will
 depend on the specific bus layout on a given machine, and also whether
 we can successfully autosuspend all of the drivers.

 Modern machines are full of (mostly empty) buses, so there is hope the
 gain will not be insignificant. :-)

This is also very true of servers where the vast majority of expansion
and peripherals are either in regular use or not at all. In a data
centre environment the vast majority of usb and KVM are disconnected
for 99.999% of the servers life span. Would certainly be very
significant across the lifespan of the average server.

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Re: Pkgdb 0.4 update scheduled for Monday

2009-06-10 Thread Peter Robinson
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all,

 Assuming all goes well with an account system upgrade this week, we're
 going to be updating the PackageDB to 0.4 on Monday, June 10.  An outage
 notification will go out later that tells the exact times.  This is just
 a note that anyone who has scripts hitting the package database for
 information should check that they still work with the instance we are
 running in staging:

Monday the 15th? Today is the 10th June :)

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Re: Pkgdb 0.4 update scheduled for Monday

2009-06-10 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-06-10 10:39:00 PM, Peter Robinson wrote:
 On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Toshio Kuratomia.bad...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  Assuming all goes well with an account system upgrade this week, we're
  going to be updating the PackageDB to 0.4 on Monday, June 10.  An outage
  notification will go out later that tells the exact times.  This is just
  a note that anyone who has scripts hitting the package database for
  information should check that they still work with the instance we are
  running in staging:
 
 Monday the 15th? Today is the 10th June :)
I think he meant the 16th.  Also, there will be python-fedora and FAS
upgrade on Thursday that includes some minor API changes (and major
speedups, we hope).  

Thanks,
Ricky


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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread King InuYasha
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Adam Jackson a...@redhat.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2009-06-10 at 15:13 -0500, King InuYasha wrote:

  EFI support is not the same as fake-EFI.

 Your mail client has atrociously bad indentation.  Fix it.

 It appears from light googling that what you mean by fake EFI is a
 boot loader that fakes enough of EFI to be able to boot OSX on a
 non-Apple machine.  I wasn't aware it was a goal of the Fedora project
 to enable you to boot some _other_ OS on arbitrary hardware, when the
 license of that other OS expressly forbids you from doing so.

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Well, not necessarily Mac OS X itself. Wouldn't the Darwin kernel require it
anyway? I have been installing Chameleon so I could boot the regular Darwin
kernel and userland because I was told I needed a form of EFI to use the
Darwin kernel.
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Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 x86_64

2009-06-10 Thread Matt Domsch
Fedora Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results for x86_64
using the first rawhide of the Fedora 12 development cycle, cut on 6/8/2008.

Full logs at http://linux.dell.com/files/fedora/FixBuildRequires/


2 Open Bugs which now build, and can be marked CLOSED RAWHIDE:
pan: [u'476250']
ruby-rpm: [u'465103']

Total packages: 7807
Number failed to build: 348
Number expected to fail due to ExclusiveArch or ExcludeArch: 31
Leaving:  317

Of those expected to have worked...
Without a bug filed: 313
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Django-1.0.2-3.fc11 (build/make) salimma,smilner
GtkAda-2.10.2-2.fc11 (build/make) gemi
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PyKDE-3.16.2-3.fc11 (build/make) rdieter,jamatos
PyQwt-5.1.0-3.fc11 (build/make) tadej
R-BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce2-1.2.0-5 (build/make) pingou
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gmime22-2.2.23-5.fc11 (build/make) bjohnson
gmrun-0.9.2-16.fc11 (build/make) gilboa
gnome-scan-0.6.2-1.fc11 (build/make) deji
gnome-specimen-0.3-4.fc11 (build/make) 

Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 i386

2009-06-10 Thread Matt Domsch
Fedora Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results for i386
using the first rawhide of the Fedora 12 development cycle, cut on 6/8/2008.

Full logs at http://linux.dell.com/files/fedora/FixBuildRequires/


2 Open Bugs which now build, and can be marked CLOSED RAWHIDE:
pan: [u'476250']
ruby-rpm: [u'465103']

Total packages: 7808
Number failed to build: 355
Number expected to fail due to ExclusiveArch or ExcludeArch: 17
Leaving:  338

Of those expected to have worked...
Without a bug filed: 334
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Django-1.0.2-3.fc11 (build/make) salimma,smilner
GtkAda-2.10.2-2.fc11 (build/make) gemi
PyKDE-3.16.2-3.fc11 (build/make) rdieter,jamatos
PyQuante-1.6.3-1.fc11 (build/make) jussilehtola
PyQwt-5.1.0-3.fc11 (build/make) tadej
R-BSgenome.Celegans.UCSC.ce2-1.2.0-5 (build/make) pingou
R-BSgenome.Dmelanogaster.FlyBase.r51-1.3.1-3 (build/make) pingou
R-BufferedMatrixMethods-1.3.0-4.fc11 (build/make) pingou
R-RScaLAPACK-0.5.1-19.fc11 (build/make) spot
R-hgu95av2probe-2.0.0-1.fc9 (build/make) pingou
ScientificPython-2.8-4.fc11 (build/make) jspaleta
SimGear-1.9.1-5.fc12 (build/make) spot,bellet
UnihanDb-5.1.0-7.fc11.1 (build/make) dchen,i18n-team
almanah-0.5.0-1.fc11 (build/make) lokthare
amanda-2.6.0p2-9.fc12 (build/make) dnovotny
arj-3.10.22-8.fc12 (build/make) robert,lyosnorezel
arts-1.5.10-5.fc11 (build/make) than,rdieter,kkofler,tuxbrewr
artwiz-aleczapka-fonts-1.3-7.fc11 (build/make) spot,fonts-sig,awjb
asio-1.2.0-2.fc11 (build/make) uwog
asterisk-sounds-core-1.4.15-1.fc11 (build/make) jcollie
atasm-1.06-2.fc11 (build/make) sharkcz
atlas-3.8.3-4.fc12 (build/make) deji,deji
audacious-1.5.1-8.fc12 (build/make) ertzing
audacious-plugin-fc-0.3-2 (build/make) mschwendt
audacious-plugins-1.5.1-5.fc12 (build/make) ertzing
auriferous-1.0.1-7.fc11 (build/make) jwrdegoede
autodir-0.99.9-7.fc11 (build/make) thias
awn-extras-applets-0.3.2.1-8.fc11 (build/make) phuang,sindrepb
axis-1.2.1-4.1.fc10 (build/make) pcheung
baekmuk-ttf-fonts-2.2-21.fc11 (build/make) cchance,fonts-sig,i18n-team,petersen
bareftp-0.2.2-2.fc12 (build/make) itamarjp,cassmodiah
batik-1.7-4.fc11 (build/make) langel,fitzsim
beagle-0.3.9-6.fc11 (build/make) 
bigboard-0.6.4-9.fc11 (build/make) walters
blacs-1.1-31.fc11 (build/make) spot
bmpx-0.40.14-8.fc11 (build/make) akahl,cheese
bug-buddy-2.27.1-2.fc12 (unpackaged_files/python-egg-info?) rstrode
ccrtp-1.7.1-1.fc11 (build/make) ixs
cdrkit-1.1.9-4.fc11 (build/make) rrakus
cernlib-2006-32.fc11 (build/make) limb,pertusus
chipmunk-4.1.0-6.fc11 (build/make) limb
classpathx-jaf-1.0-12.fc10 (build/make) devrim,dwalluck
clutter-cairo-0.8.2-3.fc11 (build/make) allisson
clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11 (build/make) denis
clutter-gst-0.8.0-4.fc11 (build/make) allisson
clutter-gtkmm-0.7.4-2.fc11 (build/make) denis
cluttermm-0.7.5-2.fc11 (build/make) denis
codeblocks-8.02-7.fc11 (build/make) sharkcz
compat-db-4.6.21-5.fc10 (build/make) jnovy,pmatilai
compat-erlang-R10B-13.11.fc11 (build/make) gemi
compat-wxGTK26-2.6.4-7 (build/make) mschwendt
cone-0.75-5.fc11 (build/make) steve
conky-1.7.0-1.fc12 (build/make) mlichvar,pertusus,mlichvar
couchdb-0.9.0-2.fc12 (build/make) allisson
cuetools-1.4.0-0.3.svn305.fc11 (build/make) stingray
dap-hdf4_handler-3.7.9-2.fc11 (build/make) pertusus,pertusus
dbus-c++-0.5.0-0.8.20090203git13281b3.fc11 (build/make) drago01
ddskk-12.2.0-12.fc11 (build/make) petersen,i18n-team
django-tagging-0.3-1.fc11.20080217svnr154 (build/make) ivazquez
ecl-0.9l-4.fc11 (build/make) gemi
eclipse-cdt-5.0.2-2.fc11 (build/make) jjohnstn
eclipse-checkstyle-4.0.1-12.fc11 (build/make) rmyers,overholt
eigen2-2.0.52-0.1.20090518.fc12 (build/make) rdieter,kkofler,mathstuf
emacs-mew-6.2.51-2.fc11 (build/make) tagoh
ember-0.5.6-1.fc12 (build/make) atorkhov,wart
epiphany-extensions-2.26.1-2.fc12 (build/make) caillon,pgordon
eric-4.3.3-1.fc12 (build/make) rdieter,ausil,trasher
etherbat-1.0.1-5.fc11 (build/make) limb
ettercap-0.7.3-32.fc11 (build/make) limb
evolution-brutus-1.2.35-2.fc11 (build/make) bpepple
evolution-rss-0.1.2-9.fc12 (build/make) lucilanga
evolution-zimbra-0.1.1-6.fc11 (build/make) mbarnes,mmahut
f-spot-0.5.0.3-8.fc11 (build/make) nigelj,dgoodwin
fakechroot-2.9-22.fc12 (build/make) athimm,rjones
fann-2.0.0-5.1.fc11 (build/make) tsmetana
fedora-business-cards-0.2.4-4.fc11 (build/make) ianweller
fetchmail-6.3.9-3.fc11 (build/make) vcrhonek,pertusus
filesystem-2.4.21-1.fc11 (build/make) pknirsch
firewalk-5.0-4.fc11 (build/make) sindrepb
fityk-0.8.1-14.fc10 (build/make) jpye
fltk-1.1.9-3.fc11 (build/make) rdieter,pertusus
freefem++-3.0-5.5.fc11 (patch_fuzz) rathann
frysk-0.4-8.fc11 (build/make) cagney,pmuldoon,swagiaal
fusecompress-2.5-1.fc12 (build/make) lkundrak,lmacken
gauche-gl-0.4.4-4.fc11 (build/make) gemi
gauche-gtk-0.4.1-18.fc11 (build/make) gemi
gbdfed-1.4-2.fc11 (build/make) spot
gbrainy-1.1-3.fc11 (build/make) sereinit
gc-7.1-7.fc11 (build/make) rdieter
gcdmaster-1.2.2-5.fc11 (build/make) denis
gdal-1.6.0-8.fc11 (build/make) rezso,pertusus
gedit-vala-0.4.1-2.fc11 (build/make) salimma

Re: Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 x86_64

2009-06-10 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
   Le mercredi 10 juin 2009 à 17:06 -0500, Matt Domsch a écrit :
 Fedora Rawhide-in-Mock Build Results for x86_64
 using the first rawhide of the Fedora 12 development cycle, cut on 6/8/2008.
 
 Full logs at http://linux.dell.com/files/fedora/FixBuildRequires/

 Of those expected to have worked...
 Without a bug filed: 313
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 levien-inconsolata-fonts-1.01-3.fc11 (build/make) kevin
...

This one and probably other font packages use a pattern like

%_font_pkg -f %{fontconf} *.ttf
%doc *.pdf

For some reason the %_font_pkg macro call is eating the EOL, so %doc
*.pdf ends up at the end of the last line of the macro output and not
on the next line.

This is probably a bug or quirk in rpm. I suppose since we are at the
very start of the F12 cycle I should report the problem and not have the
macro generate an empty final line to workaround it brutaly.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread John Reiser
Jeremy Katz wrote:
 I need to sit down and figure out where [grub2] is in the realm of capability
 vs our grub[1] these days, but just haven't had enough round 'tuits.

Next year (2010) is the year for new harddrives with a hardware sector size
of 4096 bytes instead of 512.  All boot loaders will have a fun time!

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Re: Fedora rawhide rebuild in mock status 2009-06-08 x86_64

2009-06-10 Thread Christoph Wickert
Am Mittwoch, den 10.06.2009, 17:06 -0500 schrieb Matt Domsch:

 cwickert: gwget,xfce4-clipman-plugin

clipman-plugin is fixed, gwget only fixed in CVS and I'm waiting for the
buildsys to come up again.

Thanks for your report,
Christoph

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Re: Updates testing for F-11

2009-06-10 Thread Bojan Smojver
Bojan Smojver bojan at rexursive.com writes:

 Maybe I missed something, but it seems that some updates that have been
 submitted for F-11 testing are still pending. Any ideas why that is?

I meant to say, submitted over a week ago.

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Re: Updates testing for F-11

2009-06-10 Thread Bojan Smojver
Rahul Sundaram sundaram at fedoraproject.org writes:

 They are probably waiting on rel-eng to sign the packages. If you can be
 more specific, it would be easier to tell you what the status is.

viewvc-1.1.1.

Also, it would be good if various apr-util packages (from F-9 to F-11 could be
pushed to testing). They contain security fixes.

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Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10

2009-06-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 17:17:07 -0400,
  Jeremy Katz ka...@redhat.com wrote:
 we've been left in a position of maintaining it and we've added some
 real features that have been needed along the way as grub 2's progress
 has been slow at best and some of the design decisions early on were a

I was watching them for a while to see if was something I wanted to try
and after the project went several months with no apparent commits, I
figured this was something I probably didn't want to play with.

Depending on grub2 to have active development seems a bit risky to me.

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Re: Updates testing for F-11

2009-06-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 07:44:24 +0530,
  Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 On 06/11/2009 07:39 AM, Bojan Smojver wrote:
  Bojan Smojver bojan at rexursive.com writes:
  
  Maybe I missed something, but it seems that some updates that have been
  submitted for F-11 testing are still pending. Any ideas why that is?
  
  I meant to say, submitted over a week ago.
 
 They are probably waiting on rel-eng to sign the packages. If you can be
 more specific, it would be easier to tell you what the status is.

It may also be a case of not wanting to produce more churn right at release
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[Bug 496096] DBD::SQLite 1.21 is out...

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla
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Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|ON_DEV  |CLOSED
 Resolution||ERRATA




--- Comment #4 from Marcela Maslanova mmasl...@redhat.com  2009-06-10 
03:31:13 EDT ---
In F-11 will be 1.23. Please reopen in case there would be some problem.

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rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5 perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv13907

Modified Files:
perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec 
Log Message:
Fix license tag, remove BR: perl.


Index: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec 29 Aug 2007 05:32:10 -  1.4
+++ perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec 10 Jun 2009 09:39:22 -  1.5
@@ -1,15 +1,15 @@
 Name:   perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib
 Version:2.005
-Release:3%{?dist}
+Release:4%{?dist}
 Summary:Low-Level Interface to the zlib compression library
 
 Group:  Development/Libraries
-License:Artistic or GPL
+License:GPL+ or Artistic
 URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Compress-Raw-Zlib/
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/P/PM/PMQS/Compress-Raw-Zlib-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 
-BuildRequires:  perl, perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker), zlib-devel, perl(Test::Pod)
+BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker), zlib-devel, perl(Test::Pod)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 %description
@@ -57,6 +57,10 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Tue Oct 23 2007 Robin Norwood rnorw...@redhat.com - 2.005-4
+- Fix license tag
+- Remove BR: perl
+
 * Wed Aug 29 2007 Fedora Release Engineering rel-eng at fedoraproject dot 
org - 2.005-3
 - Rebuild for selinux ppc32 issue.
 

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[Bug 430072] xdg-open should call mimeopen with -L option

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla
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Version|9   |rawhide




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rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5 .cvsignore, 1.3, 1.4 perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec, 1.5, 1.6 sources, 1.3, 1.4

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31377

Modified Files:
.cvsignore perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec sources 
Log Message:
update to 2.020


Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -p -r1.3 -r1.4
--- .cvsignore  2 Jul 2007 03:45:19 -   1.3
+++ .cvsignore  10 Jun 2009 10:42:30 -  1.4
@@ -1 +1 @@
-Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.005.tar.gz
+Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.020.tar.gz


Index: perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec
===
RCS file: 
/cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
diff -u -p -r1.5 -r1.6
--- perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec 10 Jun 2009 09:39:22 -  1.5
+++ perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib.spec 10 Jun 2009 10:42:31 -  1.6
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib
-Version:2.005
-Release:4%{?dist}
+Version:2.020
+Release:1%{?dist}
 Summary:Low-Level Interface to the zlib compression library
 
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -57,6 +57,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jun 10 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com - 2.020-1
+- update to the latest upstream version (504386)
+
 * Tue Oct 23 2007 Robin Norwood rnorw...@redhat.com - 2.005-4
 - Fix license tag
 - Remove BR: perl


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-Compress-Raw-Zlib/EL-5/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.3
retrieving revision 1.4
diff -u -p -r1.3 -r1.4
--- sources 2 Jul 2007 03:45:19 -   1.3
+++ sources 10 Jun 2009 10:42:31 -  1.4
@@ -1 +1 @@
-3e56b9e584a5a54d550d411261ea8ba9  Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.005.tar.gz
+d0f6baff3d38b6076a14778004345db3  Compress-Raw-Zlib-2.020.tar.gz

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rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch, NONE, 1.1 perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec, 1.4, 1.5

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv20747

Modified Files:
perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec 
Added Files:
perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch 
Log Message:
- work around a problem with crazy perl versioning

perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch:

--- NEW FILE perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch ---
2009-06-10  Stepan Kasal  ska...@redhat.com

Require File::Spec 2.28, rpm is not able to grok the crazy
perl versioning.


--- ORLite-Migrate-0.03/lib/ORLite/Migrate.pm.orig  2009-04-19 
14:18:00.0 +0200
+++ ORLite-Migrate-0.03/lib/ORLite/Migrate.pm   2009-06-10 14:38:43.0 
+0200
@@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
 use 5.006;
 use strict;
 use Carp  ();
-use File::Spec 3.2701 ();
+use File::Spec   3.28 ();
 use File::Path   2.04 ();
 use File::Basename();
 use Params::Util 0.37 qw{ _STRING _CLASS _HASH };


Index: perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel/perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.4
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.4 -r1.5
--- perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec3 Jun 2009 13:10:32 -   1.4
+++ perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec10 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -  1.5
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-ORLite-Migrate
 Version:0.03
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Light weight SQLite-specific schema migration
 License:GPL+ or Artistic
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -27,6 +27,8 @@ Requires:   perl(Params::Util) = 0.
 Requires:   perl(Probe::Perl)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
+Patch0: perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch
+
 %description
 THIS CODE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE
 SQLite is a light weight single file SQL database that provides an excellent 
platform for embedded
@@ -36,6 +38,7 @@ weight single class Database Schema Migr
 
 %prep
 %setup -q -n ORLite-Migrate-%{version}
+%patch0 -p1
 
 %build
 %{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
@@ -65,6 +68,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 %{_mandir}/man3/*
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jun 10 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com 0.03-2
+- work around a problem with crazy perl versioning
+
 * Wed Jun  3 2009 Marcela Mašláňová mmasl...@redhat.com 0.03-1
 - update
 

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rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec,1.5,1.6

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23078

Modified Files:
perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec 
Log Message:
- work around a problem with crazy perl versioning


Index: perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-ORLite-Migrate/devel/perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.5
retrieving revision 1.6
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--- perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec10 Jun 2009 12:49:44 -  1.5
+++ perl-ORLite-Migrate.spec10 Jun 2009 12:58:16 -  1.6
@@ -27,7 +27,11 @@ Requires:   perl(Params::Util) = 0.
 Requires:   perl(Probe::Perl)
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
-Patch0: perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch
+# File::Spec = 3.2701 is required, but rpm does not understand that...
+# a) ... 3.30 is enough,
+Patch0: perl-ORLite-Migrate-req.patch
+# b) ... but 3.2501 is not enough
+Requires:  perl = 4:5.10.0-70
 
 %description
 THIS CODE IS EXPERIMENTAL AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE WITHOUT NOTICE

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[Bug 473407] Every invocation of svk generates the same warning.

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #8 from Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu  2009-06-10 10:11:34 EDT ---
This is still an issue in Fedora 10.  I haven't tested Fedora 11.
This isn't my bug so I can't change the version.

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[Bug 473407] Every invocation of svk generates the same warning.

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--- Comment #9 from Robert P. J. Day rpj...@crashcourse.ca  2009-06-10 
10:17:10 EDT ---
It may be worth noting that svk's developer has announced that he will no
longer be supporting it.  So all this could be moot.

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rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel perl-DBD-SQLite.spec,1.27,1.28

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv30888

Modified Files:
perl-DBD-SQLite.spec 
Log Message:
rebuild against DBI 1.609


Index: perl-DBD-SQLite.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel/perl-DBD-SQLite.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.27
retrieving revision 1.28
diff -u -p -r1.27 -r1.28
--- perl-DBD-SQLite.spec29 May 2009 07:40:48 -  1.27
+++ perl-DBD-SQLite.spec10 Jun 2009 15:03:06 -  1.28
@@ -1,6 +1,6 @@
 Name:   perl-DBD-SQLite
 Version:1.25
-Release:1%{?dist}
+Release:2%{?dist}
 Summary:Self Contained RDBMS in a DBI Driver
 
 Group:  Development/Libraries
@@ -9,7 +9,6 @@ URL:http://search.cpan.org/d
 Source0:
http://search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/A/AD/ADAMK/DBD-SQLite-%{version}.tar.gz
 BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
 
-BuildRequires:  perl-DBI = 1.03
 # if sqlite = 3.1.3 then
 #   perl-DBD-SQLite uses the external library
 # else
@@ -18,7 +17,9 @@ BuildRequires:  sqlite-devel
 BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker)
 BuildRequires:  perl(Test::More) = 0.42
 BuildRequires:  perl(File::Spec) = 0.82
-BuildRequires:  perl(DBI) = 1.57
+# Prevent bug #443495
+BuildRequires:  perl(DBI) = 1.607
+
 Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))
 
 %description
@@ -67,6 +68,9 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
+* Wed Jun 10 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com 1.25-1
+- rebuild against DBI 1.609
+
 * Fri May 29 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 1.25-1
 - 1.25 needed for DBIx::Class 0.08103
 - auto-update to 1.25 (by cpan-spec-update 0.01)

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rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel perl-DBD-SQLite.spec,1.28,1.29

2009-06-10 Thread Štěpán Kasal
Author: kasal

Update of /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv31480

Modified Files:
perl-DBD-SQLite.spec 
Log Message:
typo


Index: perl-DBD-SQLite.spec
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RCS file: /cvs/extras/rpms/perl-DBD-SQLite/devel/perl-DBD-SQLite.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.28
retrieving revision 1.29
diff -u -p -r1.28 -r1.29
--- perl-DBD-SQLite.spec10 Jun 2009 15:03:06 -  1.28
+++ perl-DBD-SQLite.spec10 Jun 2009 15:05:25 -  1.29
@@ -68,7 +68,7 @@ rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT
 
 
 %changelog
-* Wed Jun 10 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com 1.25-1
+* Wed Jun 10 2009 Stepan Kasal ska...@redhat.com 1.25-2
 - rebuild against DBI 1.609
 
 * Fri May 29 2009 Chris Weyl cw...@alumni.drew.edu 1.25-1

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[Bug 473407] Every invocation of svk generates the same warning.

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla
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--- Comment #10 from Derek Atkins warl...@mit.edu  2009-06-10 11:07:49 EDT ---
While true, I think the problem is more based in the SVN Swig bindings so still
appropriate.  However that's probably bug #480503Still, I think F11 still
has SVK so this would still be an issue.  And F10 certainly has SVK and it IS
an issue.

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[Bug 438244] No cpanget man page

2009-06-10 Thread bugzilla
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Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.brookline.ma.us changed:

   What|Removed |Added

Version|9   |rawhide




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[Bug 438251] Can't deference $Module::CoreList::versions{$]} in perl 5.10

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Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.brookline.ma.us changed:

   What|Removed |Added

 Status|NEW |CLOSED
 Resolution||CURRENTRELEASE




--- Comment #4 from Jonathan Kamens j...@kamens.brookline.ma.us  2009-06-10 
11:48:29 EDT ---
Works in F11.

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rpms/perl-Alien-SeleniumRC/F-11 import.log, NONE, 1.1 perl-Alien-SeleniumRC.spec, NONE, 1.1 .cvsignore, 1.1, 1.2 sources, 1.1, 1.2

2009-06-10 Thread Emmanuel Seyman
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Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Alien-SeleniumRC/F-11
In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv5414/F-11

Modified Files:
.cvsignore sources 
Added Files:
import.log perl-Alien-SeleniumRC.spec 
Log Message:
Initial import.


--- NEW FILE import.log ---
perl-Alien-SeleniumRC-1_00-1_fc11:F-11:perl-Alien-SeleniumRC-1.00-1.fc11.src.rpm:1244672776


--- NEW FILE perl-Alien-SeleniumRC.spec ---
Name:   perl-Alien-SeleniumRC
Version:1.00
Release:1%{?dist}
Summary:Packages the Selenium Remote Control server
License:GPL+ or Artistic
Group:  Development/Libraries
URL:http://search.cpan.org/dist/Alien-SeleniumRC/
Source0:
http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Alien/Alien-SeleniumRC-%{version}.tar.gz
BuildRoot:  %{_tmppath}/%{name}-%{version}-%{release}-root-%(%{__id_u} -n)
BuildArch:  noarch
BuildRequires:  perl(ExtUtils::MakeMaker),perl(CPAN),perl(Test::More)
Requires:   perl(:MODULE_COMPAT_%(eval `%{__perl} -V:version`; echo 
$version))

%description
Selenium Remote Control is a test tool that allows you to write automated
web application UI tests in any programming language against any HTTP
website using any mainstream JavaScript-enabled browser. It provides a
Selenium Server, which can automatically start/stop/control any supported
browser. It works by using Selenium Core, a pure-HTML+JS library that
performs automated tasks in JavaScript.

%prep
%setup -q -n Alien-SeleniumRC-%{version}

%build
%{__perl} Makefile.PL INSTALLDIRS=vendor
make %{?_smp_mflags}

%install
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

make pure_install PERL_INSTALL_ROOT=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT

find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -type f -name .packlist -exec rm -f {} \;
find $RPM_BUILD_ROOT -depth -type d -exec rmdir {} 2/dev/null \;

%{_fixperms} $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/*

%check
make test

%clean
rm -rf $RPM_BUILD_ROOT

%files
%defattr(-,root,root,-)
%doc Changes README
%{perl_vendorlib}/*
%{_bindir}/selenium-rc
%{_mandir}/man3/*

%changelog
* Tue Apr 14 2009 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 1.00-1
- Update to 1.00

* Wed Nov 05 2008 Emmanuel Seyman emmanuel.sey...@club-internet.fr 0.91-2
- Specfile autogenerated by cpanspec 1.77.


Index: .cvsignore
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Alien-SeleniumRC/F-11/.cvsignore,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- .cvsignore  10 Jun 2009 20:57:55 -  1.1
+++ .cvsignore  10 Jun 2009 22:27:02 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+Alien-SeleniumRC-1.00.tar.gz


Index: sources
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/perl-Alien-SeleniumRC/F-11/sources,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2
diff -u -p -r1.1 -r1.2
--- sources 10 Jun 2009 20:57:55 -  1.1
+++ sources 10 Jun 2009 22:27:02 -  1.2
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+8dfe7a67b2246e6ceb85a912fd642687  Alien-SeleniumRC-1.00.tar.gz

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