Re: An error while using livecd-creator

2009-08-12 Thread Kushal Das
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Paul W. Frieldssticks...@gmail.com wrote:

 My bet is that either your package set is too big for the created
 file system image, or you ran out of space on whatever partition holds
 /var/tmp on your system.

Both seems to be ok in this case, having around 27GB of free space and
image size should be around 1100MB :)


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KDE-SIG weekly report (33/2009)

2009-08-12 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the 
topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply
 to this email or add it to the related meeting page.

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= Weekly KDE Summary =

Week: 33/2009

Time: 2009-08-011 14:00 UTC

Meeting page:  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-11

Meeting minutes:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-08-11/fedora-
meeting.2009-08-11-14.07.html

Full log:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2009-08-11/fedora-
meeting.2009-08-11-14.07.log.html
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= Participants =

* Jaroslav Reznik
* Kevin Kofler
* Rex Dieter
* Sebastian Vahl
* Steven Parrish
* Lukas Tinkl
* Thomas Janssen

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= Agenda =

topics to discuss:
* KDE 4.3.0 blockers (for F11/F10)
* Extragear for KDE 4.3.0 (status)
* KDE live images - status

= Summary =

o KDE 4.3.0 blockers (for F11/F10)
  * fish:/// problem [1]
** regression, suspicious commits #946444, #933202
** ltinkl to try reverting suspect upstream commit(s), and test things out
  * ctrl+f12 problem [2]
** probably plasma to plasma-desktop rename problem
** reported upstream

o Extragear for KDE 4.3.0 (status)
  * assigned to svahl while than is away
  * there are no group acls...

o KDE live images - status
  * i686 and x86_64 images ready by svahl [3]
  * prelink issues
** kio slaves are segfaulting
** prelink bug should be reopened as we thought it's fixed already
  * image contains newer PyKDE4 and kde-settings from koji to get printer 
configuration and wallpaper back
  * firstboot is not working [4]
  * x86_64 image is much more bigger than i686

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= Next Meeting =

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-08-18

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= Links =
[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516416
[2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516445
[3] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/fedora-kde/2009-
August/003555.html
[4] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=515419

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Soname bump for openssl

2009-08-12 Thread Tomas Mraz
Hi all,

I'd like to upgrade OpenSSL to 1.0.0-beta3 version just after the F12
Alpha release. I asked rel-eng to create a custom build target for the
rebuild so we can avoid shipping the symlink hacks in rawhide.

The API did not change in a way it would break any sensible user's of
the API, so no patches to the dependent packages are expected to be
necessary.

Unfortunately as this is major version upgrade the ABI changed.

I know that the upgrade would be better before the F12 Alpha however it
required major patch porting for the FIPS validation related code which
is not included in the upstream 1.0.0 branch. I was unfortunately not
able to complete this porting before Alpha Freeze.

As always I will rebuild all the dependent packages if you do not ask me
otherwise for your package.
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rawhide report: 20090812 changes

2009-08-12 Thread Rawhide Report
Compose started at Wed Aug 12 06:15:05 UTC 2009

New package usbmuxd
Daemon for communicating with Apple's iPod Touch and iPhone
Removed package cryptix
Removed package cryptix-asn1
Updated Packages:

firstboot-1.108-1.fc12
--
* Tue Aug 11 2009 Chris Lumens clum...@redhat.com 1.108-1
- Move python-meh initialization to after we have gtk imported (#515419).
- Do @VERSION@ substitution on progs/firstboot.
- Switch to using system-config-keyboard for the keyboard bits (katzj).
- Stop using rhpl.ethtool (katzj).


gdb-6.8.50.20090811-2.fc12
--
* Tue Aug 11 2009 Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com - 6.8.50.20090811-1
- Support constant DW_AT_data_member_location by GCC PR debug/40659 (BZ 515377).
- Fix .spec URL.
- archer-jankratochvil-fedora12 commit: 81de3c6abae4f7e3738aa9bcc0ab2f8725cce252

* Tue Aug 11 2009 Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com - 6.8.50.20090811-2
- archer-jankratochvil-fedora12 commit: 93f5e942bdcdcc376ece452c309bedabae71def9
- Fix can't compute CFA for this frame (by Tom Tromey, BZ 516627).

* Mon Aug 10 2009 Jan Kratochvil jan.kratoch...@redhat.com - 6.8.50.20090810-2
- Upgrade to the FSF GDB gdb-6.8.50 snapshot: 6.8.50.20090810
- archer-jankratochvil-fedora12 commit: 93ec16e6f5000dd64d433d86674e820ed0f35b72


gnu-efi-3.0e-9.fc12
---
* Tue Aug 11 2009 Peter Jones pjo...@redhat.com - 3.0e-9
- Change ExclusiveArch to reflect arch changes in repos.


gtk2-2.17.6-6.fc12
--
* Tue Aug 11 2009 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com - 2.17.6-6
- Fix setting root cursors


ifuse-0.9.3-1.fc12
--
* Mon Aug 10 2009 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com 0.9.3-1
- Update to 0.9.3 release


kernel-2.6.31-0.125.4.2.rc5.git2.fc12
-
* Wed Aug 12 2009 Matthew Garrett m...@redhat.com
- linux-2.6-pat-fix.patch - fix potential memory corruption in KMS

* Tue Aug 11 2009 Kyle McMartin k...@redhat.com
- private-f12-2_6_31_rc5-imeanit: LZMA. OFF. I MEAN IT.


libiphone-0.9.3-1.fc12
--
* Mon Aug 10 2009 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com 0.9.3-1
- Update to 0.9.3 release


libvirt-0.7.0-3.fc12

* Mon Aug 10 2009 Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com - 0.7.0-3
- Don't fail to start network if ipv6 modules is not loaded

* Thu Aug 06 2009 Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com - 0.7.0-2
- Make sure qemu can access kernel/initrd (bug #516034)
- Set perms on /var/lib/libvirt/boot to 0711 (bug #516034)

* Wed Aug 05 2009 Daniel Veillard veill...@redhat.com - 0.7.0-1
- Upstream release of 0.7.0
- ESX, VBox3, Power Hypervisor drivers
- new net filesystem glusterfs
- Storage cloning for LVM and Disk backends
- interface implementation based on netcf
- Support cgroups in QEMU driver
- QEmu hotplug NIC support
- a lot of fixes


mutter-2.27.2-1.fc12

* Tue Aug 11 2009 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com 2.27.2-1
- New upstream 2.27.2 release. Drop upstreamed patches.


pango-1.25.2-1.fc12
---
* Tue Aug 11 2009 Behdad Esfahbod besfa...@redhat.com - 1.25.2-1
- 1.25.2


pyxf86config-0.3.37-7.fc12
--
* Fri Aug 07 2009 Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com 0.3.37-6
- fix ErrorF/VErrorF symbol visibility - hacky but should do for now

* Fri Aug 07 2009 Dave Airlie airl...@redhat.com 0.3.37-7
- fix X server and put this back


Summary:
Added Packages: 1
Removed Packages: 2
Modified Packages: 11
Broken deps for i386
--
389-ds-1.1.3-4.fc12.noarch requires 389-ds-admin
R-RScaLAPACK-0.5.1-19.fc11.i586 requires openmpi-libs
asterisk-fax-1.6.1-0.24.rc1.fc12.i686 requires libspandsp.so.1
bigboard-0.6.4-12.fc12.i686 requires mugshot = 0:1.1.90-1
clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libclutter-cairo-0.8.so.0
clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libcluttermm-0.8.so.2
clutter-cairomm-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires libclutter-glx-0.8.so.0
clutter-cairomm-devel-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires 
pkgconfig(cluttermm-0.8)
clutter-cairomm-devel-0.7.4-2.fc11.i586 requires pkgconfig(clutter-0.8)
clutter-gtkmm-0.9.4-1.fc12.i586 requires libclutter-gtk-0.9.so.0
clutter-gtkmm-0.9.4-1.fc12.i586 requires libclutter-glx-0.9.so.0
clutter-gtkmm-devel-0.9.4-1.fc12.i586 requires 
pkgconfig(clutter-gtk-0.9)
cluttermm-0.9.4-1.fc12.i586 requires libclutter-glx-0.9.so.0
cluttermm-devel-0.9.4-1.fc12.i586 requires pkgconfig(clutter-0.9)
dap-hdf4_handler-3.7.9-2.fc11.i586 requires libdap.so.9
dap-hdf4_handler-3.7.9-2.fc11.i586 requires libdapserver.so.6
entertainer-0.4.2-5.fc12.noarch requires pyclutter-cairo
octave-forge-20080831-10.fc12.i686 requires octave(api) = 0:api-v32
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader-0.04006-4.fc12.noarch requires 
perl(DBIX::Class)
php-layers-menu-3.2.0-0.2.rc.fc12.noarch requires 

Re: Soname bump for openssl

2009-08-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:45:50AM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
Hi all,

I'd like to upgrade OpenSSL to 1.0.0-beta3 version just after the F12
Alpha release. I asked rel-eng to create a custom build target for the
rebuild so we can avoid shipping the symlink hacks in rawhide.

A few questions:

Why a beta version?
Is there a good chance the final upstream release will be done before F12 GAs?
Will the beta nature of the release cause lots of potential rebuilds as you
update it with newer betas?

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Re: help needed for bug #512115 (Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display...)

2009-08-12 Thread Zoltan Kota
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Matthias Clasen wrote:

  Could you help with the following bug?
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512115
  
  It is a 
  
  Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_x11_atom_to_xatom_for_display: assertion 
  `atom != GDK_NONE' failed
  
  error. This seems to be appeared with gtk 2.16.x. Pybliographer on F10 
  with gtk 2.14.7 has no problem.
  
 
 Try updating to the latest gtk2 update in f11 (2.16.5). That should fix
 it.

I've done a yum update and gtk2 is 2.16.5 now. It doesn't fix the problem. 
Any idea what else could I check? Just for information: The machine I 
tested on now was a rawhide installation during f11 devel phase, and 
now it's still at the f11 stage. Before I started the update I checked 
the program on this machine, and it seemed with gtk 2.16.1 it was OK. 
Thanks for your help!

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Re: Soname bump for openssl

2009-08-12 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 07:36 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:45:50AM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'd like to upgrade OpenSSL to 1.0.0-beta3 version just after the F12
 Alpha release. I asked rel-eng to create a custom build target for the
 rebuild so we can avoid shipping the symlink hacks in rawhide.
 
 A few questions:
 
 Why a beta version?
Because the changes on the 1.0.0 branch will not break ABI as they will
be bugfix-only and it will allow us to upgrade to 1.0.0 later.

 Is there a good chance the final upstream release will be done before F12 GAs?
Yes, there is, but of course I cannot guarantee that. But it shouldn't
be a problem too big as the beta3 is already in pretty good shape.

 Will the beta nature of the release cause lots of potential rebuilds as you
 update it with newer betas?
If you mean rebuilds of dependencies then definitely not. And even
rebuilds of openssl there should not be many as I suppose there will be
a final release soon.

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Re: Soname bump for openssl

2009-08-12 Thread Josh Boyer
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:38:27PM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 07:36 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:45:50AM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 I'd like to upgrade OpenSSL to 1.0.0-beta3 version just after the F12
 Alpha release. I asked rel-eng to create a custom build target for the
 rebuild so we can avoid shipping the symlink hacks in rawhide.
 
 A few questions:
 
 Why a beta version?
Because the changes on the 1.0.0 branch will not break ABI as they will
be bugfix-only and it will allow us to upgrade to 1.0.0 later.

Thanks for the quick response!  One more question:

Are we planning for a compat- package for the current OpenSSL version?

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Re: Soname bump for openssl

2009-08-12 Thread Tomas Mraz
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 09:47 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:38:27PM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 07:36 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
  On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:45:50AM +0200, Tomas Mraz wrote:
  Hi all,
  
  I'd like to upgrade OpenSSL to 1.0.0-beta3 version just after the F12
  Alpha release. I asked rel-eng to create a custom build target for the
  rebuild so we can avoid shipping the symlink hacks in rawhide.
  
  A few questions:
  
  Why a beta version?
 Because the changes on the 1.0.0 branch will not break ABI as they will
 be bugfix-only and it will allow us to upgrade to 1.0.0 later.
 
 Thanks for the quick response!  One more question:
 
 Are we planning for a compat- package for the current OpenSSL version?

I currently do not plan it - we did not do it for recent OpenSSL soname
bumps either, however I would not object if anyone wants to make the
compat package.

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Cannot rely on /dev being present in %post scripts?

2009-08-12 Thread David Woodhouse
According to bug #517013, %post scripts should not assume that /dev is
available -- so we can't do anything that requires the existence of 
/dev/null, /dev/urandom, etc.

Is this a known and expected packaging rule, or is it a bug in the way
that the user is attempting to install the packages?

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Re: rawhide report: 20090812 changes

2009-08-12 Thread Mamoru Tasaka

Rawhide Report wrote, at 08/12/2009 07:14 PM +9:00:

Compose started at Wed Aug 12 06:15:05 UTC 2009

Broken deps for i386
--
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libstdc++.so.6(CXXABI_1.3)(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libc.so.6()(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libgcc_s.so.1(GCC_3.0)(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libm.so.6()(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libm.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.2.5)(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libstdc++.so.6()(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libstdc++.so.6(GLIBCXX_3.4)(64bit)
sugar-pippy-34-2.fc12.i686 requires libgcc_s.so.1()(64bit)


This is very strange and should not happen.

Actually this i686 binary package contains the following binary files:
/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux64/_Box2D2.so
/usr/share/sugar/activities/Pippy.activity/library/pippy/physics/box2d/box2d_linux32/_Box2D2.so

These files
- are installed under %_datadir, although these are arch-dependent
- and it seems these files are pre-compiled files in the tarball.

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Quentin Armitage
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 16:19 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 Yes, folks, it's that time of year again - Test Day time! The first main
 cycle Test Day[1] of the Fedora 12 cycle is happening on Thursday, and
 it's all about...NetworkManager.
 
 [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-13_NetworkManager
 [2]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC
 

The Live Images referenced at [1] above seem to have disappeared.

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Re: Cannot rely on /dev being present in %post scripts?

2009-08-12 Thread yersinia
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:18 PM, David Woodhouse dw...@infradead.orgwrote:

 According to bug #517013, %post scripts should not assume that /dev is
 available -- so we can't do anything that requires the existence of
 /dev/null, /dev/urandom, etc.

 Is this a known and expected packaging rule, or is it a bug in the way
 that the user is attempting to install the packages?

IMHO, if i want to install something in a chroot i have to create /dev, and
/proc entry at least or put a bind mount to these. So, i think that it is
the user have do some error in installaling the package.

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:32:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote

 Sorry, I had no idea somebody else was referring to them. Next time,
 kindly tell me if you want to reuse something that I put up with the
 explicit warning that it will be removed shortly after the test day
 that it was intended for...

Errr. wouldn't that be tomorrow, technically?

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Re: Cannot rely on /dev being present in %post scripts?

2009-08-12 Thread Till Maas
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 03:18:16PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
 According to bug #517013, %post scripts should not assume that /dev is
 available -- so we can't do anything that requires the existence of 
 /dev/null, /dev/urandom, etc.
 
 Is this a known and expected packaging rule, or is it a bug in the way
 that the user is attempting to install the packages?

I mentioned it already in the bug report: There are some scriptlet
recommendations that use /dev/null:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets

Regards
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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 18:40 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
 Hi.
 
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:32:48 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote
 
  Sorry, I had no idea somebody else was referring to them. Next time,
  kindly tell me if you want to reuse something that I put up with the
  explicit warning that it will be removed shortly after the test day
  that it was intended for...
 
 Errr. wouldn't that be tomorrow, technically?
 

No, my isos were for the Fit and Finish test day that happened
yesterday.

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Ralf Ertzinger
Hi.

On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:51:26 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote

  Errr. wouldn't that be tomorrow, technically?
  
 
 No, my isos were for the Fit and Finish test day that happened
 yesterday.

Well, they're referenced on the wiki page regarding the NM test
tomorrow.

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 18:56 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:
 Hi.
 
 On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 12:51:26 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote
 
   Errr. wouldn't that be tomorrow, technically?
   
  
  No, my isos were for the Fit and Finish test day that happened
  yesterday.
 
 Well, they're referenced on the wiki page regarding the NM test
 tomorrow.
 

Yes. But I did not put that reference there, and I did not know about
it. That is why I removed the isos after they served their purpose
yesterday...

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Dan Williams
On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 16:19 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 Yes, folks, it's that time of year again - Test Day time! The first main
 cycle Test Day[1] of the Fedora 12 cycle is happening on Thursday, and
 it's all about...NetworkManager.
 
 We've got some fairly specific test cases lined up (on the page already)
 to test the new features of NetworkManager for Fedora 12, but please do
 also come along, grab the live CD, and just test that NetworkManager is
 doing the right thing with whatever connections you have; we want to
 make sure it's all right for Fedora 12. There's a live CD available so
 you won't need a Rawhide installation, and myself and Dan Williams (our
 venerable NetworkManager wrangler) will be around to help with testing.
 The Test Day takes place in #fedora-qa on Freenode IRC: see this page[2]
 if you don’t know how to use IRC. See you there!

I actually realized we'll need another koji build for the iscsi/assume
stuff.  Can that get rolled into the livecd before tomorrow?

Dan

 [1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2009-08-13_NetworkManager
 [2]: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_use_IRC
 
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Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
Epiphany is effectively orphaned:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany

it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
group to care about Epiphany.

It seems like whoever controls the 'gecko-maint' group should formally
orphan Epiphany, and someone else should pick it up.

For reference, the bug I was reporting was
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516938 .

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Re: 2009-08-13: Fedora 12 Test Day - NetworkManager

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 12:35 -0500, Dan Williams wrote:
 On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 16:19 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
  Yes, folks, it's that time of year again - Test Day time! The first main
  cycle Test Day[1] of the Fedora 12 cycle is happening on Thursday, and
  it's all about...NetworkManager.
  
  We've got some fairly specific test cases lined up (on the page already)
  to test the new features of NetworkManager for Fedora 12, but please do
  also come along, grab the live CD, and just test that NetworkManager is
  doing the right thing with whatever connections you have; we want to
  make sure it's all right for Fedora 12. There's a live CD available so
  you won't need a Rawhide installation, and myself and Dan Williams (our
  venerable NetworkManager wrangler) will be around to help with testing.
  The Test Day takes place in #fedora-qa on Freenode IRC: see this page[2]
  if you don’t know how to use IRC. See you there!
 
 I actually realized we'll need another koji build for the iscsi/assume
 stuff.  Can that get rolled into the livecd before tomorrow?

If you do the koji build then let me know by email or IRC, I'll try and
get a new live image rolled. thanks.

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 11:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
 Epiphany is effectively orphaned:
 
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany
 
 it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
 makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
 group to care about Epiphany.
 
 It seems like whoever controls the 'gecko-maint' group should formally
 orphan Epiphany, and someone else should pick it up.
 
 For reference, the bug I was reporting was
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516938 .
 

I'd say you are making stuff up based on a throwaway comment of mine...

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Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Jesse W
I've noticed 4 updates for Fedora 10 recently that lacked any 
description, bug-links or any information besides the package version 
to explain what they were or what they would do.  This is a problem.  
The update #s are: 6250, 6409, 7653 and 7838.  I posted comments on 
their pages at admin.fedoraproject.org requesting a description, and 
have not had any response so far.  I commented on one about a month 
ago, and the other 3 just now.


I would have directly contacted the submitters, but I was unable to 
find a way to do that from the admin.fedoraproject.org update pages.


What would be a good next step for me to take to help get descriptions 
added to these updates (and make sure this happens less often in the 
future) ?


(I'm not receiving mail from the list, although I'll check the 
archives; so please CC me if you want me to see your reply promptly)


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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 15:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 11:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
  In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
  Epiphany is effectively orphaned:
  
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany
  
  it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
  makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
  group to care about Epiphany.
  
  It seems like whoever controls the 'gecko-maint' group should formally
  orphan Epiphany, and someone else should pick it up.
  
  For reference, the bug I was reporting was
  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516938 .
  
 
 I'd say you are making stuff up based on a throwaway comment of mine...

Making what up? How does it make sense for a project that's no longer
based on Gecko to be maintained by the Gecko maintainers group?

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Matthias Clasen
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 12:20 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 15:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 11:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
   In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
   Epiphany is effectively orphaned:
   
   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany
   
   it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
   makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
   group to care about Epiphany.
   
   It seems like whoever controls the 'gecko-maint' group should formally
   orphan Epiphany, and someone else should pick it up.
   
   For reference, the bug I was reporting was
   https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516938 .
   
  
  I'd say you are making stuff up based on a throwaway comment of mine...
 
 Making what up? How does it make sense for a project that's no longer
 based on Gecko to be maintained by the Gecko maintainers group?

Well, what you said was different, namely that it is not maintained at
all.

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 15:27 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
 On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 12:20 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
  On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 15:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
   On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 11:29 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
Epiphany is effectively orphaned:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany

it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
group to care about Epiphany.

It seems like whoever controls the 'gecko-maint' group should formally
orphan Epiphany, and someone else should pick it up.

For reference, the bug I was reporting was
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=516938 .

   
   I'd say you are making stuff up based on a throwaway comment of mine...
  
  Making what up? How does it make sense for a project that's no longer
  based on Gecko to be maintained by the Gecko maintainers group?
 
 Well, what you said was different, namely that it is not maintained at
 all.

sorry, I meant 'orphaned' in the sense that its listed maintainer is no
longer appropriate - it needs to have the listed maintainer changed to
an appropriate person / group.

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Mathieu Bridon (bochecha)
 sorry, I meant 'orphaned' in the sense that its listed maintainer is no
 longer appropriate - it needs to have the listed maintainer changed to
 an appropriate person / group.

Wouldn't that be to the current maintainer to say so?


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Re: Anaconda install askmethod

2009-08-12 Thread David Cantrell

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On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 14:35 -1000, David Cantrell wrote:


What version of anaconda did you try?  I just recently fixed a problem with
askmethod not doing anything.  If you booted from a CD or DVD but wanted to do
a network install, the askmethod parameter was not working.

That fix is in anaconda-12.12-1.


I'll give it a shot again here in the next day or so, maybe this weekend
if I get time and some personal things don't get in the way.  I believe
12.7 was the last version I tried with.


My mistake and I see a bug has already been filed.  I was confusing
'askmethod' with 'asknetwork'.  I had fixed a problem around the asknetwork
parameter.

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Adam Williamson
On Wed, 2009-08-12 at 21:37 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote:
  sorry, I meant 'orphaned' in the sense that its listed maintainer is no
  longer appropriate - it needs to have the listed maintainer changed to
  an appropriate person / group.
 
 Wouldn't that be to the current maintainer to say so?

sure, if the 'gecko-maint' group is happy to maintain a non-gecko
component, that's fine (though may look a bit confusing). I just wanted
to flag the issue up, as Epiphany is a quite important package (it's
GNOME's official browser, even if we ship Firefox on our 'desktop'
spin).

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Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Richard Hughes
2009/8/12 Jesse W je...@wefu.org:
 What would be a good next step for me to take to help get descriptions added
 to these updates (and make sure this happens less often in the future) ?

I've even coded a test patch to bohdi (attached) to warn maintainers
when they are prepping the update without a description, but so far
it's been ignored. See https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/294 if
you're interested.

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Re: Switch from OpenAL to OpenAL-Soft

2009-08-12 Thread LinuxDonald

I think it?s better when openal-soft will come with f12.
The Packager have enough time to rebuild there packages.
But when the packager want to rebuild there packages i will make an 
package for f11.


Am 11.08.2009 23:39, schrieb Bastien Nocera:

On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 23:18 +0200, LinuxDonald wrote:
   

OpenAL-Soft use the openal.so.1 lib openal use the openal.so.0 lib.
And that is the problem.
 


Then ask for rebuilds, not for everyone to change all their packages...


   


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Re: Switch from OpenAL to OpenAL-Soft

2009-08-12 Thread LinuxDonald

I think it?s better when openal-soft will come with f12.
The Packager have enough time to rebuild there packages.
But when the packager want to rebuild there packages i will make an 
package for f11.


Am 11.08.2009 23:39, schrieb Bastien Nocera:

On Tue, 2009-08-11 at 23:18 +0200, LinuxDonald wrote:
   

OpenAL-Soft use the openal.so.1 lib openal use the openal.so.0 lib.
And that is the problem.
 


Then ask for rebuilds, not for everyone to change all their packages...


   


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Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Richard W.M. Jones
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:06:56PM -0700, Jesse W wrote:
 What would be a good next step for me to take to help get descriptions  
 added to these updates (and make sure this happens less often in the  
 future) ?

It should fall back to taking the description from the changelog (in
fact, I think it already does that right now).

Don't make package maintainers write 'New upstream release X.Y.Z'
any more often than they have to ...

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Re: Epiphany effectively orphaned

2009-08-12 Thread Christopher Aillon

On 08/12/2009 11:29 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:

In the course of doing a bug report on Epiphany, it's come up that
Epiphany is effectively orphaned:

https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/epiphany

it is owned by gecko-maint, but since it's now based on Webkit, that
makes no sense, and I see no reason to expect the Gecko maintainers
group to care about Epiphany.


I wouldn't say it's orphaned, but perhaps we probably should change the 
owner on it.  For what its worth, the gecko group has done some WebKit 
related work in the not-so-distant past.


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Re: source file audit - 2009-08-10

2009-08-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Wed, 12 Aug 2009 07:32:29 +0300
Ville Skyttä ville.sky...@iki.fi wrote:

 On Tuesday 11 August 2009, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
 
  http://www.scrye.com/~kevin/fedora/sourcecheck/sourcecheck
 
 It doesn't seem to process https sources, only http and ftp.  Is that
 an oversight?

Yes. ;( 

Fixed for the next run. ;( 

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Re: source file audit - 2009-08-10

2009-08-12 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:37:40 +0200
Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) boche...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Hi,
 
 This was run against Rawhide right?

Yes. 

  bochecha:BADURL:adonthell-0.3.5.tar.gz:adonthell
 
 Fixed in Rawhide (at least after the freeze is lifted).
 
  erikos:BADSOURCE:sugar-base-0.85.2.tar.bz2:sugar-base
 
 This is a development release. As per the roadmap, 0.85.3 should be
 out pretty soon [1].
 
 I'll just let this one like this, it will be fixed by the end of
 August when one of us updates the package.

ok. Up to you... 

 Thanks for the reminder, that's a great help in keeping the Fedora
 repositories a bit saner! :)

No problem. 

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Fedora 12 Alpha Blocker Meeting 2009-08-14 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT)

2009-08-12 Thread John Poelstra

When: Friday, 2009-08-14 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT)
Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net

Join us Friday for what we hope to be the last blocker bug review 
meeting for the Fedora 12 Alpha. On Friday we will review the unresolved 
bugs on

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507676hide_resolved=1

Here are the bugs presently blocking the Fedora 12 Alpha:
* 515472  [ASSIGNED - medium - pjo...@redhat.com - --- -] f12 alpha 
system can not reboot   [See dependency tree for bug 515472]
* 516941 [MODIFIED - medium - kernel-ma...@redhat.com - --- -] kms 
broken and can cause oops without git3 upstream PAT patches [See 
dependency tree for bug 516941]
* 517171 [NEW - medium - anaconda-maint-l...@redhat.com - --- -] 
Installation fails to find repodata when booting from boot.iso [See 
dependency tree for bug 517171]


If you are aware of any bugs you think should block the Alpha, please 
set them to block 'F12Alpha' and come to the meeting to help guide the 
discussion.


Thanks for your help and time,
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Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Peter Gordon
Ben Boeckel wrote:
 Updates need to be more descriptive than this. Changelog entries
 and CVS commits can range from split package to oops, forgot
 the patch to attempted before newRepo finished, bump release.
 These are useless as update texts. Maintainers should list
 things that have changed (features added, upstream bugs fixed,
 etc.). Linking the upstream changelog or release announcement is
 also good.
 
 If this is enforced (and it may be good to add it to the
 critical-path suggestion), updates will be reduced since when
 there's little to write about, there's less justification for an
 update in the first place.

I agree wholeheartedly. Without following the upstream release
announcements closely, a simple Update to new upstream release X.Y.Z
means _nothing_ to users. We should want people to know what changed, at
least briefly, with the updated version. What does the new release
bring? Does it fix any security or other major bugs? Is it still
compatible? I always ask myself these four main questions when creating
an update notice through Bodhi:

1. Does this package fix any security issues?

These should *always* be mentioned, with some unique and reputable
identifier for it (e.g., a CVE number, Fedora/upstream bugzilla report,
etc.). From my experiences, this is the only true requirement of Bodhi
of these four, since it's necessary for the security team's approval of
the update push request. 

2. Does this package fix any show stopper bugs?

Users should be told when the update fixes issues like crashers or data
corruption, which significantly reduce (or worse, eliminate) the
package's usefulness. 

3. Does this update bring any cool new features to users?

I feel it important to note any major feature additions that would
entice users to the update. Among a possible myriad of such changes,
perhaps it supports a new and better file format (e.g.,an office program
having ODF support added), or updated translations, etc.?

4. Lastly, Will this cause any expected or known incompatibilities
(backward OR forward) for the user? Would they need to recreate/adapt
their existing configuration? 

Okay, so this last one is actually two questions, but the point remains:
it is sometimes necessary to cause an incompatibility that can not (or
perhaps should not¹) be prevented. Hopefully, such a change can be
mitigated automagically (perhaps with some sed/awk-fu in the %post
scriptlet or similar); but this is not always the case (especially if
it's within the users' $HOME directories). Also, regardless of whether
or not such an automatic change is done, the user SHOULD be informed
about it. At best,  they would then know *why* their configuration
file(s) changed; and at worst, they would know to effect the change(s)
themselves. In short: I think it's very reasonable for users to expect
that new updates will work with their existing setups without
modifications, and it's similarly reasonable to expect a big fat warning
of some sort when this is not the case.

[1] For example, if there is a major security bug caused by how the
configuration is stored, and fixing it would change the format, then the
decision is between breaking compatibility or keeping the program
insecure: one that must be made for the former, much to users' potential
frustration.

With my updates, I try to always give a brief summary of what I think
are the most important and/or most visible changes - answering these
four questions - along with a mention on how to view the upstream
changelog for it, so they can know everything that changed, and not just
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Re: source file audit - 2009-08-10

2009-08-12 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/10/2009 09:45 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:

 sundaram:BADURL:gnote-0.6.1.tar.bz2:gnote

Built 0.6.2 with the correct url

 sundaram:BADURL:pyroom-0.4.1.tar.gz:pyroom

Fixed in cvs. Won't do a rebuild.

Thanks.

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Plan for Friday's (20090814) FESCo meeting

2009-08-12 Thread Jon Stanley
The following topics will be discussed at Friday's FESCo meeting at
17:00UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net:

235 Apcupsd - static linking
241 Fedora Packaging Committee items for ratification
238 Can libvdpau go in Fedora?
236 Proposal to allow translated versions of Publican-created
documents to bypass review.

For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket.  The
report of the agenda items can be found at
https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/report/9

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to
this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during
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Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Jesse Weinstein
Richard W.M. Jones rjones at redhat.com writes:
 It should fall back to taking the description from the changelog (in
 fact, I think it already does that right now).
Where would I find the changelog? It's not visibly connected either to the
description that shows up along with the update, or on the
admin.fedoraproject.org page that is linked from there.

And, what can I do to help get descriptions added for the 4 updates
I mentioned?  

How can I find contact info for the submitters of those updates, or
is there someone else who can add descriptions?

Thanks to everyone who responded -- I'm glad that this is a live 
issue, and that some maintainers are careful to provide useful and
complete update descriptions.

Thanks again,

Jesse

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Re: Fedora 11 slapd too many open files: /lib64/libnspr4.so

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
Ping?

This bug is pretty nasty: we have to restart slapd
2 or 3 times a day :-/


El Mon, 10-08-2009 a las 02:08 +0200, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
 Hello,
 
  I'm running into a problem with Fedora 11 and OpenLDAP's slapd
  instance (the same configuration that I've used for F8, F9, F10 and
  now F11).
 
  After a day or two, of continuous usage, the slapd instance hangs with the 
  too many open files issue.  I googled around a bit and found that some 
  have 
  fixed the problem by adding the following line to slapd.conf:
 
  # Disconnect idle connections
  idletimeout 60
 
  This doesn't really seem to make a difference.  When I do lsof -u ldap,
  I get the normal output of files in mem, followed by a ton of these:
  
  ...
  ...
  slapd   19221 ldap   37r   REG  8,51235360  418680 /lib64/libnspr4.so
  slapd   19221 ldap   38r   REG  8,51235360  418680 /lib64/libnspr4.so
  slapd   19221 ldap   39r   REG  8,51235360  418680 /lib64/libnspr4.so
  slapd   19221 ldap   40r   REG  8,51235360  418680 /lib64/libnspr4.so
  ...
  ...
  
  that never seem to go away, and lead to the too many open files issue.
  
  Can anyone offer some assistance as to how to fix this issue?  Thank you in 
  advance.  -Anthony
 
 Did you eventually solve this issue?  If not, is there a bug
 already filed in Bugzilla?
 
 I'm still seeing exactly the same on F11 with all updates installed
 as of today. I'd be tempted to point fingers at nss-softokn-freebl,
 as this is where the code to ope libnspr4.so actually lives.
 Upgrading openldap-servers and to rawhide has no effect.
 
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Re: Updates lacking descriptions

2009-08-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius

On 08/12/2009 11:54 PM, Ben Boeckel wrote:


If this is enforced (and it may be good to add it to the
critical-path suggestion), updates will be reduced since when
there's little to write about, there's less justification for an
update in the first place.


Correct, such a step will add a significant bureaucratic burdons to 
maintainers.


As maintainers hate bureaucrazy and prefer investing time on dealing 
with technical issues (such as bug fixes), this will likely introduce a 
further reduction of the quality of Fedora.


Further more, do you realise that any changelog is likely similarly 
unreadable to most users?


Ralf

PS.: Stop cross-posting to newsgroups. I consider everybody who does 
this to behave rude.




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Re: Fedora 11 slapd too many open files: /lib64/libnspr4.so

2009-08-12 Thread Bernie Innocenti
El Thu, 13-08-2009 a las 07:12 +0200, Bernie Innocenti escribió:
 Ping?
 
 This bug is pretty nasty: we have to restart slapd
 2 or 3 times a day :-/

Ok, I think I'm starting to see the light here, but perhaps
it's just because it's already dawn.

nss-3.12.3.99.3/mozilla/security/nss/lib/freebl/stubs.c
dlopen()s nspr4.so like so:

-8--8--8--8--8-
#define freebl_getLibrary(libName)  \
dlopen (libName, RTLD_LAZY|RTLD_NOLOAD)

#define freebl_releaseLibrary(lib) \
if (lib) dlclose(lib)

#endif

extern SECStatus
FREEBL_InitStubs()
{
SECStatus rv = SECSuccess;
#ifdef FREEBL_NO_WEAK
void *nspr = NULL; 
void *nssutil = NULL; 

/* NSPR should be first */
if (!ptr_PR_DestroyLock) {
nspr = freebl_getLibrary(nsprLibName);
if (!nspr) {
return SECFailure;
}
rv = freebl_InitNSPR(nspr);
if (rv != SECSuccess) {
freebl_releaseLibrary(nspr);
return rv;
}
}
/* now load NSSUTIL */
if (!ptr_SECITEM_ZfreeItem_Util) {
nssutil= freebl_getLibrary(nssutilLibName);
if (!nssutil) {
return SECFailure;
}
rv = freebl_InitNSSUtil(nssutil);
if (rv != SECSuccess) {
freebl_releaseLibrary(nssutil);
return rv;
}
}
#endif

return rv;
}
-8--8--8--8--8-

There's no corresponding place in the code to call dlclose().
If slapd enters this multiple times (perhaps from multiple threads),
it might indeed leak file descriptors.

It remains to be determined what codepath in openldap does this.

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Broken dependencies: perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader

2009-08-12 Thread buildsys


perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader has broken dependencies in the development tree:
On ppc:
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader-0.04006-4.fc12.noarch requires 
perl(DBIX::Class)
On x86_64:
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader-0.04006-4.fc12.noarch requires 
perl(DBIX::Class)
On i386:
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader-0.04006-4.fc12.noarch requires 
perl(DBIX::Class)
On ppc64:
perl-DBIx-Class-Schema-Loader-0.04006-4.fc12.noarch requires 
perl(DBIX::Class)
Please resolve this as soon as possible.


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