Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/28 03:01 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: > Huh? Your perspective just seems very odd. In a year, if we don't have > a composited desktop by default in Fedora, I would be very very > surprised. Just watch. Good thing all puters don't depend on batteries for power. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/28 03:37 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed: > Compositing is sooner or later going to be enabled by default everywhere. >> Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a >> thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg. > Times and expectations change. Physics don't. A two dimensional screen will never be able to more than simulate 3D. 3D requires more dead dinosaurs, coal and/or other sources of electrical energy than 2D to produce. I don't expect that to change, and even if it does, using more than necessary will remain a wasteful allocation of quickly diminishing global resources. Consequently, "enabled by default" will be ecologically irresponsible if it does come to pass. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/28 02:53 (GMT+0530) Rahul Sundaram composed:
> On 11/28/2009 02:21 AM, Felix Miata wrote:
>
>> What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word "essential". Bling
>> and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop
^
>> users. I didn't use the word "useless". And yes, 3D is way more - way more
^
>> overhead, way more imposition on older hardware. 3D cannot be essential to
>> users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive
>> mush.
> 3D is not just for games and bling.
No kidding! Note keywords above.
> People who work on CAD/CAM, 3D
> rendering software etc would definitely find it essential.
Somehow those niche users managed 10-20 years ago before there was such a
thing as 3D support in XFree86/Xorg.
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Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/27 21:21 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: > Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:52:25 -0500 Felix Miata composed: >> On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: >>> 3D shouldn't be considered as "nice to have" but an essential feature >>> that should be working. >> You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only >> provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for. > The fact that you don't need it does not make my statement invalid. > And 3D is way more than useless "bling". What makes your statement invalid is your use of the word "essential". Bling and essential are mutually exclusive characteristics WRT to normal desktop users. I didn't use the word "useless". And yes, 3D is way more - way more overhead, way more imposition on older hardware. 3D cannot be essential to users of older hardware, since it turns their hardware into unresponsive mush. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/27 10:28 (GMT+0100) drago01 composed: > 3D shouldn't be considered as "nice to have" but an essential feature > that should be working. You can't be serious. 3D is an illusion. A computer display screen only provides two dimensions. 3D is bling that I have 0 use for. -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
On 2009/11/26 14:39 (GMT) Terry Barnaby composed:
...
> The "cards" I have tried include:
> Intel Corporation 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
> ATI Technologies Inc RV535 [Radeon X1650 Series]
> ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Mobility Radeon X300]
> ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01)
> VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82G33/G31 Express Integrated
> Graphics Controller (rev 02)
...
> For testing Graphics you need a lot of "testers". I would not have thought
> that the number of people testing rawhide is enough. I would have thought
> that real users actually using Fedora are required here.
> Certainly the F12 release seems to reflect the lack of 3D graphics testing ...
...
> Yes, some graphics boards I am sure work well, although 3D should really
> be working on all cards in 2009 ...
> But this is the point, there are a lot of different graphics boards, and
> so a much wider scope for the testing is required here which requires more
> users over more time with many different applications using basically the
> same software.
Surely fewer testers find 3D to be relevant to getting their work done. I for
one always disable that bling as soon as I see it sneak in past a change in
configuration methodology.
I tried an F12 install on rv200 Radeon 36 hours ago, and Anaconda refused to
even come up in GUI mode.
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Re: Fedora 12 x86 DVD images
On 2009/11/24 12:24 (GMT-0600) Sir Gallantmon composed: > Why not label it "x86_32" instead of i386? That is far less confusing and > illustrates that it is 32-bit on the x86 architecture, since x86_64 says it > is 64-bit on x86 architecture. +1 -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Font rendering slightly degraded in recent rawhide
On 2009/11/02 08:48 (GMT-0800) Adam Williamson composed: > On Mon, 2009-11-02 at 14:00 +0100, Roberto Ragusa wrote: >> Adam Williamson wrote: >> > And why the hell are you still using Luxi Mono, anyway? that thing went >> > out with the ark... >> I'm not the person you are posing your question to, but I use Luxi Mono >> and can give you an answer: >> "Because it is a wonderful serif mono font. Can you suggest me an >> alternative? It looks like mono => sans nowadays." Have you looked at Consolas? > I'm a big member of the 'fonts are subjective' bandwagon, but I'm > _really_ surprised that anyone would consider the Luxi fonts to look > better than the DejaVu ones. DejaVu is just a far more polished font > set, which is why it was chosen by all major distros to replace Luxi > years ago. You're literally the first person I've come across who seems > to prefer the appearance of Luxi. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, > I'm just surprised =) FWIW, of all the distros I've sampled, all but one puts DejaVu and/or Bitstream Vera at the top of the fontconfig alias lists. The odd one out is openSUSE, which places Arial, Times New Roman and Consolas firsts, and the Agfa fonts (no longer included on the DVD) seconds, ahead of DejaVus in third, and Liberations in fourth, followed oddly in fifth/sixth by SUSE/Bitstream Vera. openSUSE has another exception in putting Verdana between Agfa's Albany AMT and DejaVu Sans. IIRC, all put Nimbus ahead of Luxi -- The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 1 Corinthians 7:3 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Which was first Webkit/Epiphany release version
2.24? 2.25? 2.26? 2.27? (my guess) 2.28? And, when did the switch from Gecko happen? F10? F11? F12? -- " A patriot without religion . . . is as great a paradox, as an honest man without the fear of God. . . . 2nd U.S. President, John Adams Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Feature proposal: Rebootless Installer
On 2009/07/14 05:38 (GMT-0600) Douglas McClendon composed: > Felix Miata wrote: >> Doesn't kexec, which does a BIOS bypassing reboot, accomplish what you want? >> OpenSUSE's installer has had kexec_reboot=1 by default for a version or two >> (I think default started with 11.1): http://en.opensuse.org/Kexec >> http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc > ... I could be wrong about that, or my > interpretation of what kexec does ... The first URL explains it. > Your first link seems currently broken (database error), and the second It worked and works for me. > doesn't really lead me to believe it is anything equivalent. The second URL is mainly a list of installer options, and affirms my statement that kexec is now a default option. > used *suse that much recently so I can't be sure- Is it perhaps > something where they have a very minimal partial installation, then > start writing the minimal stuff to disk, kexec-reboot, and then set you > up in system that is finishing installing while you use it? If so, one IIRC most rpms, initrd & Grub are installed by the initial installer, then kexec prior to most configuration steps by the installer now running on the installed kernel instead of the installation kernel. -- No Jesus - No peace , Know Jesus - Know Peace Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Feature proposal: Rebootless Installer
On 2009/07/14 02:04 (GMT-0600) Douglas McClendon composed: [snip] > http://viros.org/rebootless Doesn't kexec, which does a BIOS bypassing reboot, accomplish what you want? OpenSUSE's installer has had kexec_reboot=1 by default for a version or two (I think default started with 11.1): http://en.opensuse.org/Kexec http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc -- No Jesus - No peace , Know Jesus - Know Peace Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: GRUB 2 in Ubuntu 9.10
On 2009/06/11 10:12 (GMT+0200) Michael Schwendt composed: > On Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:17:07 -0400, Jeremy wrote: >> [1] So, the gory history for those who might be interested. Eight years >> ago (!), we decided that the advantage of not having to rerun lilo after >> changing the config file as you can just read the config file off the >> filesystem with grub was worthwhile. > Why is GRUB reinstalled with every kernel update then? To provide additional opportunities for the update process to make a system unbootable? A boot loader is a very special utility, quite unlike the kernel, fsck, udev, hal or bash. A boot loader should need to be installed no more than once per physical system disk, then left alone, no matter how often updates occur. Configuring the boot loader's config file is a separate matter. -- "Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle."Proverbs 23:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
