Re: abrt issue

2009-12-09 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 12:47:44 Neal Becker wrote:
 I just got a crash in kde plasma.  Traceback is not useful, because of 
 missing debug pacakges.

Downgrading hal and hal-libs fixes the crash. I noticed the other thread where 
this bug is reported. I was seeing both
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545639
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=545258

You need to downgrade hal-libs as well or else yum will pick hal-libs.i686 and 
that will require to install glibc.i686 and friends.

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Re: Request for help maintaining packages while away.

2009-12-09 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 09 December 2009 19:38:55 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 For F13 you probably want to push latest versions  of the both scipy
 and matplotlib together. So if you take scipy* sign up for matplotlib*
 as well.

Not only those but also:
python-basemap -- Plots data on map projections (with continental and
political boundaries)
python-basemap-data -- Data for python-basemap
python-dateutil -- Powerful extensions to the standard datetime module
pytz -- World Timezone Definitions for Python

and also not directly related but
ScientificPython -- A collection of Python modules that are useful for
scientific computing

is more or less on the bundle.

Those are packages that interest me, and I would like to see them in good 
shape. :-)

FWIW, the sage bundle would be a nice bonus. :-)

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Re: More broken deps for F11 texlive-2009

2009-11-18 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 08:54:38 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 Do you see anything broken on non-x86_64 arches? I checked the F12 repo and
 everything looks sane to me.

You are right, it was a problem on my side.

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Re: More broken deps for F11 texlive-2009

2009-11-17 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 17 November 2009 02:27:08 Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 Latest F11 texlive-2009 update complains about dependencies of the new
 packages (which have .fc12 version suffixes!) on
 libpoppler.so.5()(64bit).

The same complain happens on F12 (on a x86_64 no less). :-)
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Re: texlive2009 f11 broken by today's update

2009-11-13 Thread José Matos
On Friday 13 November 2009 00:38:21 Neal Becker wrote:
 Was working, but after today's update:
  pdflatex pll_freq_ramp.tex
 This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (Web2C 2009)
 
 kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
 I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!

I have been testing this on F-12 and sometimes update break with this same 
error. The latest updates are working here.

The symptom is that running fmtutil-sys --all as root returns nothing.

I have still determine what causes this, and since the last update is working 
I don't have an incentive to continue searching. :-)
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Re: texlive 2009 - should set TEXMFCNF?

2009-10-29 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 29 October 2009 17:26:25 Jonathan Underwood wrote:
 IMO I think we'd be better off adopting the texlive versions of the
 packages, rather than doing a half-and-half job on this by packaging
 individual upstreams. The reason being that Fedora then benefits from
 the integration and testing work done by the texlive team. The texlive
 xdvipdfmx, for example is (I think), ahead of the 0.4 upstream
 release.
 
 J.

I am not sure if Jindrich is talking about this but the same could be said 
about the other pure latex packages. If the packages are available on texlive 
they could obsolete the previous versions available on Fedora.

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Re: prelinked octave segfaults in F-12

2009-10-27 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 27 October 2009 16:58:43 Orion Poplawski wrote:
 I'd like to call attention to this bug:
 
 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=526833
 
 Apparently, prelinking octave on F-12 causes it to segfault on startup.
   Can anyone else reproduce this?

I am sorry for not reporting this before but I had the same problem and I 
found the same solution.

When octave segfaults on start the first step is to run
prelink  -u /usr/bin/octave

and then it works again.

   Does anyone have an idea as to why this might happen?

Not me. :-(

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Re: Major reorganization of TeX Live packages

2009-10-22 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 22 October 2009 19:46:29 Jiri Cerny wrote:
 Hi Jindrich,
 
 (sorry for not replaying to the original message, I was reading the
 list through archives)
 
 I was using TeXLive 2009 repository before, without any problem. After
 seeing your message,
 I followed the instruction
 
  In case you have an older TL2009 installed on your system from the
  testing repository, please consider removing it and installing again.
 
 and after 'yum install texlive' I get  a lot of missing dependencies.
 Installing texlive requires
 dvipdfm from the F12/rawhide repository, which requires kpathsea from
 the same repository and which in turn
 requires texlive-2007. Will it be fixed with texlive-2007-45 build?

You can get the texlive-2007-45 build  meanwhile with

koji download-build --arch=i686 137706

in this case arch=i686 refers to the architecture of the machine where I am 
testing texlive and 137706 refers to the id of the build for texlive-2007-45 
in f12 (it has been done for f10-13).

With this update of the selected packages the update for the new texlive 
works. :-)

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problems with the latest texlive-2009 update on rawhide

2009-09-16 Thread José Matos
After the update of texlive-2009 packages on rawhide latex has ceased to work:

$ pdflatex mnc_modulo_2-mod-graph
This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (Web2C 2009)
 restricted \write18 enabled.

kpathsea: Running mktexfmt pdflatex.fmt
I can't find the format file `pdflatex.fmt'!


The suspect here seems to be ftmutil-sys

# fmtutil-sys --all
#

No output from fmtutil-sys as opposed to the very verbose output of previous 
versions.

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texlive problem when updating to rawhide

2009-09-12 Thread José Matos
Hi,
I have updated my laptop to rawhide using preupgrade. It worked without 
any 
major hitch, my only problem after update was with texlive (I changed the repo 
to the rawhide version). I had installed the F11 version.

# yum update
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, presto, refresh-packagekit
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
-- Processing Dependency: tex(dvips) for package: 
html2ps-1.0-0.3.b5.fc12.noarch
-- Processing Dependency: tex(dvips) for package: lyx-1.6.4-1.fc12.i686
--- Package texlive-collection-basic.noarch 0:2009-14054.fc12 set to be 
updated
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
lyx-1.6.4-1.fc12.i686 from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: tex(dvips) is needed by package 
lyx-1.6.4-1.fc12.i686 (installed)
html2ps-1.0-0.3.b5.fc12.noarch from installed has depsolving problems
  -- Missing Dependency: tex(dvips) is needed by package 
html2ps-1.0-0.3.b5.fc12.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tex(dvips) is needed by package 
html2ps-1.0-0.3.b5.fc12.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tex(dvips) is needed by package 
lyx-1.6.4-1.fc12.i686 (installed)
 You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem
 You could try running: package-cleanup --problems
package-cleanup --dupes
rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest

Due to a silly mistake on my part (the url repo for texlive-rawhide had an 
extra s in package_s_.rawhide the update of texlive packages occurred using 
yum after the update and not using preupgrade as it was my original purpose.

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Re: TeXLive 2009 texconfig

2009-09-09 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 09 September 2009 Matthew Saltzman wrote:
 texconfig from TeXLive 2009 in F11 hangs when I attempt to set the dvips
 default paper type.  The hang occurs when I run texconfig as a user and
 texconfig or texconfig-sys as root.

It works for me on either scenario (F11/texlive-2009/i586).

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-08 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 08 September 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 The main texlive package now contains a dependency to
 texlive-latexrecommended so all the LaTeX recomended stuff should be
 pulled in automatically when just installing texlive.

Thank you. :-)

It is nice to see texlive-2009 shaping so well for Fedora. :-D

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-04 Thread José Matos
On Friday 04 September 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 It should be fixed now altogether with new packages in the repository.

 Jindrich

Thank you. Now I have installed on rawhide and it works (TM). :-)

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Re: Review needed....

2009-09-04 Thread José Matos
On Friday 04 September 2009 Josephine Tannhäuser wrote:
 Perhaps it is luck, but I'm happy about that fact that not all contributors
 with an open review request begging on devel list for a reviewer. If
 anybody will do it, the devel list will explode with review beggars.

 It's strange  to see that most of the baggers are working for a big north
 american distributor, or living in india, or both! No, I don't want a
 pony!!!

 Is it difficult to be patient? There are many more open reviews which are
 older... Please qry your friends (if you have some) or be patient..

Is there any review you want us to look to?

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-04 Thread José Matos
On Friday 04 September 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 It should be fixed now altogether with new packages in the repository.

 Jindrich

One (really) minor hiccup, when installing all the doc files with

yum install texlive-*-doc

I get a missing dependency

texlive-wadalab-doc is needed by package texlive-cjk-doc. Excluding the later 
from the transaction works.

This problems appears (unsurprisingly) on both F11 and rawhide.
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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-03 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 Hi,

 first off, thanks many people who sent me RFE and bugfix
 proposals. I've tried to fix most of them in the current package set
 in the testing repository:

OK, I have finally installed texlive on F11. With this update all worked (with 
the exception of some quirks already reported in this list). Unfortunately in 
the end I had a non working latex.

Making this story short for some reason texlive-latex was not installed when I 
had update the system. Installing it fixed the problem. Does it make sense to 
have the latex packages depending on this?

 Thanks,
 Jindrich

Thanks for the hard, :-)

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-03 Thread José Matos
On Thursday 27 August 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 03:02:18PM +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote:
  Hi,
 
  first off, thanks many people who sent me RFE and bugfix
  proposals. I've tried to fix most of them in the current package set
  in the testing repository:
 
  rpm -i
  http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/texlive-release-2009-0.1.fc11.noarc
 h.rpm

 Forgot to mention that the initial rawhide repository is now available
 as:

 rpm -i
 http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/texlive-rawhide-release-2009-0.1.fc11
.noarch.rpm

The update when using the more recent rawhide failed. I suspect that the 
metadata is not updated as I get lots of Package does not match intended 
download.

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-09-01 Thread José Matos
On Monday 31 August 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 This should be fixed with the new packages in the repository now.

 The new packages obsolete the ancient tetex stuff:
 tetex-tex4ht
 tetex-IEEEtran
 tetex-bytefield
 tetex-elvevier
 tetex-perltex
 tetex-prosper

 and these utilities:
 dvipdfm
 dvipdfmx
 dvipng
 xdvi
 xdvipdfmx

 Installation of LyX/dvipdfm, etc. should work fine now.

 Jindrich

Thank you. :-)

I have successfully updated my system. The only problem I had was a2ps that 
requires tetex-fonts. After removing a2ps the update worked.

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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-08-29 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 29 August 2009 Stefan Grosse wrote:
 Just for the record: This was caused by LyX being (still) dependent on
 dvipdfm. Deleting LyX made an installation possible.

This is one of those cases where rpm Suggests would be appropriate (when/if 
implemented). LyX does not depend in any way of dvipdfm, it will use it if it 
is available (and only if the user ask explicitly to use dvipdfm) but it will 
work happily if it is not present.

 Cheers
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Re: another spin of TeX Live 2009 packages

2009-08-27 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 26 August 2009 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 Hi,

 first off, thanks many people who sent me RFE and bugfix
 proposals. I've tried to fix most of them in the current package set
 in the testing repository:

 rpm -i
 http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/texlive-release-2009-0.1.fc11.noarch.
rpm

 Thanks,
 Jindrich

Hi,
I have tried to update and now most of the previous problems have been 
solved 
but there is a new type of problem that has appeared. I get lots of these:

Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package texlive-
amsfonts-2009-3.0.14555.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-texconfig-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-texconfig-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)

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Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-dvipdfm-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-dvipdfm-2009-0.13.2d.14549.fc11.noarch (texlive)   
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-etex-2009-13530.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-metafont-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-geometry-2009-4.2.13293.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-babel-2009-3.8l.13530.fc11.noarch (texlive)   
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-mfware-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-texconfig-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-dvips = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package 
texlive-utils-2007-42.fc11.i586 (installed)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-pdftex-2009-1.40.9.14549.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-ifluatex-2009-1.2.14365.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-glyphlist-2009-13293.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-ifluatex-2009-1.2.14365.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-texconfig-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-tetex-2009-3.0.14841.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-dvipdfmx-2009-14829.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-ifxetex-2009-0.5.13293.fc11.noarch (texlive)   
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-xdvi-2009-22.84.16.14545.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-hyperref-2009-6.78q.13530.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-tetex-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-amsfonts-2009-3.0.14555.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-psnfss-2009-9.2a.13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-amsrefs-2009-2.02.13530.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-tex-2009-13822.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-latex-2009-14246.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-luatex-2009-0.2.14210.fc11.noarch (texlive)   
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-plain-2009-3.141592653.14025.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-texlive.infra-2009-14857.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-etex-pkg-2009-2.0.13293.fc11.noarch (texlive) 
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-collection-latex-2009-14245.fc11.noarch (texlive)  
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-cm-2009-14055.fc11.noarch (texlive)
Error: Missing Dependency: texlive-kpathsea-bin = 2009 is needed by package 
texlive-ifxetex-2009-0.5.13293.fc11.noarch (texlive)  

Re: Make upstream release monitoring (the service formerly known as FEVer) opt-out?

2009-08-07 Thread José Matos
On Friday 07 August 2009 09:56:03 Pierre-Yves wrote:
 It remembers me a website made by Remi[1] which list for all the package
 available, for all the branch what version are in the repo.
 It also provides comparison between upstream and repo for some packages
 such as the PECL, PEAR and R packages.

We should warn Remi about the numbering in R packages where . and - are 
equivalent in releases.

The practical consequence of this is that most of our packages are up to date 
instead of the brown warning shown in the table. :-)

 [1] http://rpms.famillecollet.com/rpmphp/

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Re: KDE vs. GNOME on F10

2009-08-07 Thread José Matos
On Friday 07 August 2009 14:05:25 Thomas Janssen wrote:
  And back to the topic, afaik the KDE 4.3 packages have indeed been
  tested (via kde-redhat/testing etc) before being thrown on the f10 
  f11 users.

 Indeed. Even the RCs up to 4.2.98 have been tested via the kde-redhat
 repo, bugs filed and fixed. I'm one of them who run always the latest
 and greatest from kde-redhat.

I am one of those who test kde packages both from kde-redhat and from rawhide. 
In every case the packages appeared first in rawhide, later in unstable of 
kde-redhat and only later on updates-testing, by the time the packages are 
submitted to updates they have passed all those different levels of testing.

Do not forget also the update to emacs 23.1 made recently. Before that I 
always tried the repos who had emacs compiled for the latest Fedora stable 
version. I was glad when I saw the latest emacs available for F-11.

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Re: TeX Live 2008 available for testing

2009-07-02 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 27 June 2009 13:41:42 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 Good news everyone!

 I've invented a device that installs TeX Live 2008 on your Fedora!
 /futurama

 TeX Live 2008 is now packaged and available for testing. It is not in
 Fedora yet because it requires reviews of couple of packages. But you
 can test it before it happens.

First of all I would like to thank for the amazing job you have done. Even if 
most of the work is automatically generated it is not an easy task by any 
measure. :-)

With all that work coming for F12 it would be a bonus if we could come with a 
set of rules for packaging tex projects. Those guidelines could then go to FPC 
for approval.

With the amount of packages coming now is the time to get this right.

One of the issues discussed before but never set is the name space to be used. 
If I remember the rough consensus was to name packages as
tex-packagename or even tex-latex-packagename.

Even the packages retain the same name as they are now in your repo you could 
add a (virtual) Provides so that if later, for any reason, we change the tex 
distribution we don't need to change every involved package.

What is your plan? To use the wiki Feature page as the place of contact for 
further actions or something else...

 Thanks,
 Jindrich

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Re: an update to automake-1.11?

2009-07-01 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 01 July 2009 18:22:52 Adam Jackson wrote:
 He can't, KDE doesn't support that yet.

 - ajax

Neither does gnome apparently: :-)

$  yum search sense-of-humor
Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, presto, refresh-packagekit
Warning: No matches found for: sense-of-humor
No Matches found

In any case I would recommend the better form:

yum install sense-of-humor --skip-broken

as you never know what can be broken if you do that. ;-)

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Re: TeX Live 2008 available for testing

2009-06-27 Thread José Matos
On Saturday 27 June 2009 13:41:42 Jindrich Novy wrote:
 Good news everyone!

 I've invented a device that installs TeX Live 2008 on your Fedora!
 /futurama

 TeX Live 2008 is now packaged and available for testing. It is not in
 Fedora yet because it requires reviews of couple of packages. But you
 can test it before it happens.

 If you want to give it a try, install this package:
 # rpm -i
 http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/texlive-release-2008-1.fc11.noarch.rp
m

 then you can do:
 # yum install texlive

 if you don't have texlive already installed. While upgrading from
 older texlive release please remove all the texlive packages before the
 upgrade, especially be sure that the /usr/share/texmf directory is
 removed. This is because the famous directory - symlink upgrade RPM
 bug.

 The packaging follows upstream packaging metadata so basically you
 have the same package naming in upstream TeX Live. The fedora one is
 prefixed with the texlive-* prefix.

 Currently you can use metapackages to install TeX Live:

 texlive-scheme-basic
 texlive-scheme-context
 texlive-scheme-full
 texlive-scheme-gust
 texlive-scheme-gutenberg
 texlive-scheme-medium
 texlive-scheme-minimal
 texlive-scheme-omega
 texlive-scheme-tetex
 texlive-scheme-xml

 By default when you install TeX Live by yum install texlive the
 scheme-basic is pulled in.

 You can install collections as well, there are 84 of them, list is here:
 http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/collections

 You can install the individual packages as well, complete list is here:
 http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/pkgs

 For more information you can see the Feature page here:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive

 I've put a lot of effort to reduce the total amount from ~4000 to the
 current ~1600 source RPMs that need to be reviewed and imported into
 Fedora. This is not an easy task but considering that all (except
 the main one) of them are automatically generated it could be
 possible.

 Note that it is in testing state so (many) bugs could occur. There are
 possible clashes with applications packaged separately (such as
 dvipdfmx, etc.) so we may want to discuss these conflicts with
 respective fedora package maintainers to fix them. In case you are a
 maintainer of such package please send me an email to jn...@redhat.com
 so that we can sort it out on the TeX Live side (packages maintained
 separately are preferred).

 Thanks,
 Jindrich

This is what I get after yum update

Error: Missing Dependency: tetex = 3.0 is needed by package 
jadetex-3.13-5.fc11.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-latex = 3.0 is needed by package 
jadetex-3.13-5.fc11.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex is needed by package texinfo-
tex-4.13a-2.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-dvips is needed by package docbook-utils-
pdf-0.6.14-16.fc11.noarch (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libkpathsea.so.4 is needed by package 
dvipdfm-0.13.2d-40.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-latex is needed by package 
a2ps-4.14-8.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-dvips is needed by package 
a2ps-4.14-8.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: libkpathsea.so.4 is needed by package evince-
dvi-2.26.2-1.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-latex is needed by package R-
devel-2.9.0-2.fc11.i586 (installed)
Error: Missing Dependency: tetex-fonts is needed by package 
a2ps-4.14-8.fc11.i586 (installed)

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Re: Agenda for the 2009-05-26 Packaging Committee meeting

2009-05-27 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 07:00:07 Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

 Note that that would be horrible behaviour for also keeping a minimal
 packageset.

It would be easy to add configuration options with the default being on. For 
keeping a minimum package set this configuration could be turned off.

I don't like the proliferation of configuration options but this example seems 
to me that it deserves an exception to this rule.

 -Toshio

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Re: Packaging Survey - May 2009

2009-05-27 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 27 May 2009 12:31:56 Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Hi

 I did a quick survey from Fedora on what software Fedora users are using
 that is not available in the repo. Here are the results. If you find
 anything interesting, feel free to pick it up.

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

root is being reviewed (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451744)

 Rahul

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Re: [Fedora-r-devel-list] Re: useR! 2008

2009-01-05 Thread José Matos
On Friday 02 January 2009 23:45:32 Alex Lancaster wrote:
 Hi José,

 Just curious if you got any feedback at userR! from R developers
 regarding Fedora packaging (e.g. Bioconductor etc.)

Nope. I met and talked with Martyn, Peter Dalgaard and Marc Schwartz that are 
also subscribers from r-sig-fed...@r-project.org.

 Alex

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Re: [Fedora-r-devel-list] Re: R-devel going away

2008-10-28 Thread José Matos
On Friday 24 October 2008 08:43:19 Pierre-Yves wrote:
 Should that be included in R2spec or in a separate tool ?

The former IMHO.

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Re: [Fedora-r-devel-list] Re: useR! 2008 status report

2008-08-22 Thread José Matos
On Wednesday 20 August 2008 22:04:09 George N. White III wrote:
 One of the difficulties in discussing these issues is that no
 one person is likely to encounter the full range of environments
 that need to be supported.  There are very different security and
 control problems for a server running R to produce offical statistics
 than for a student's personal workstation.  Certainly security can
 be enhanced if we minimize the use of root to manage end-user apps.

This is an issue with lots of gray shadings. If we place virtualization on the 
board we have another level. :-)

 This says we need to move to a multi-level packaging approach that
 supports packaged installs under user/group control without root
 privileges.

Well this is easier said than done. :-)

Although I agree that you right and that there are bigger fishes to fry, my 
interest was just to place Fedora and R in a context that allowed us to have 
more R packages in Fedora done and at the same time not forgetting the lessons 
that were learned from packaging other languages (specifically Perl and 
Python).

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Re: [Fedora-r-devel-list] useR! 2008 status report

2008-08-22 Thread José Matos
On Tuesday 19 August 2008 18:38:33 Pierre-Yves wrote:
 If the solution proposed by spot does not work (or before it works)
 I think a simple:
 find ./source/ -name *.py -o -name *.c -o -name *.cp  -o -name
 *.f  -o -name *.F
 If it returns something then install the -devel...

Actually we can develop that as it will be useful for R2spec as well. It would 
be interesting because the common problems are the same. :-)

    3) If the steps above are not enough and the package depends on an
  external library you need to guarantee that you have installed the files
  necessary to compile the package. Do not forget that the -devel
  subpackages are required to be installed to compile and link with the
  external libraries.

 I went briefly through your presentation, nice :)
 I hope you had good time there.

It was a nice conference, with an optimum number of participants (around 400). 
It was nice to meet there some people that I only knew from the mailing lists 
like some of the Debian guys.

It was also interesting to notice that there are some issues related to the 
community growth that are being dealt in the same way both in Fedora and R.

R-Forge for example is a project under the R Core umbrella where space and 
infrastructural tools are given to authors to develop their packages before 
they are place in CRAN. R-Forge is thus the analogue of fedorahosted. :-)

 Regards,
 Pierre

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[Fedora-r-devel-list] useR! 2008 status report

2008-08-19 Thread José Matos
Hi all,
after a busy week I am finally starting to get back to some kind of 
normality 
(no pun intended :-) ).

At useR! 2008 I had Martin Plummer, Marc Schwartz and Peter Dalgaard in the 
audience. The talk went well and it was a fun to do. The room was small for 
the attendance and in my (biased) view it seemed that I had people coming on 
purpose for the talk. :-)

After the session ended I had a friendly discussion with Martin and 
Marc 
regarding Fedora and R relationship. :-)

Some of the topics covered were (in no particular order other than my 
notes).

1) The redundancy between the two mailing lists devoted to R and Fedora (this 
and SIG list). Actually at that time I forgot the SIG mailing list (my bad). I 
always keep forgetting about the different purpose of both lists.

2) Martin and Marc suggested one scenario that involved the removal of all R 
packages from Fedora where the only remaining installed package would be the R 
core package. Then using some kind of package, the better analogy that I found 
was a backend to PackageKit providing automatic installs from CRAN.

My opinion (that I have also expressed back then) was that this would be a no 
go for Fedora for two reasons, first the packages dependency outside of CRAN 
would be hard to get right (think about packages like R-hdf5 that require 
linking with an external package). The second and probably the most important 
issue from our (Fedora) point of view would be the liability issue. We would 
be connecting to a repository that we have no control about, I tried to 
express the different reasons why this is not possible.

3) There are discussions at R about the next generation CRAN meta-information 
(improved DESCRIPTION format) and the opinions of distributions are welcome.

4) Is there a link in fedora bugzilla to connect upstream for R bugs reported 
to Fedora? I am not sure if this is possible with the new bugzilla but I 
suppose that there are not so many bugs like that reported at Fedora.

5) One problem usually reported in the R users mailing list is the 
installation procedure used to install R packages (not in Fedora) using the R 
interface.

This problem has been reported again this weekend FWIW. Instead of providing 
R-devel in the R package as Martin and Marc have suggested I think that we 
could create a FAQ for R in Fedora. Something like:

*** Draft to R - Fedora FAQ **

Q: I tried to install the following R package in Fedora but R failed with 
horrendous error messages, what should I do?

A: Look to the content of the R package you are trying to install (link to 
CRAN).

  1) Does it contains C or C++ files (.c or .cpp ending filenames)? If yes 
then install R-devel if it is not yet installed.

[Instructions how to install R-devel using yum or packagekit]

  2) Does it contains Fortran files (.f or .F ending filenames)? If yes then 
install gcc-gfortran if it is not yet installed.

[Instructions how to install R-devel using yum or packagekit]

  3) If the steps above are not enough and the package depends on an external 
library you need to guarantee that you have installed the files necessary to 
compile the package. Do not forget that the -devel subpackages are required to 
be installed to compile and link with the external libraries.

**

This is my fable attempt to document some of the possible of the problems 
found by our users. :-)
We could then expand the FAQ content to other topics like how to search Fedora 
R packages. The target of the FAQ would be naturally the users and not just 
the developers.

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