Re: Proposal: fedora-release-rawhide subpackage

2010-01-07 Thread Mat Booth
2010/1/7 Kevin Fenzi ke...@scrye.com:
 Greetings.

 I'd like to propose splitting out
 the /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-rawhide.repo file into a
 fedora-release-rawhide subpackage which is NOT installed by default or
 shipped on the live media.

 I wrote up this using the Feature template, but I don't guess it's
 really that much of a feature:

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RawhideRepoSubpackage

 (except in that it needs coordination across the distro and docs
 updates, etc).

 Thoughts?

 (either here or the talk page of the above wiki link).

 Thanks,

 kevin


You must do a lot more Fedora user support than I do; is it really a
frequent occurrence that users unwittingly enable Rawhide and screw up
their systems?

Not a criticism, I'm just surprised it happens at all.

Maybe the problem could be solved just by labelling it clearer,
rawhide-development or something.

Regards,
Mat

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Re: ABRT considered painful

2010-01-04 Thread Mat Booth
2010/1/4 Jiri Moskovcak jmosk...@redhat.com:
 On 01/04/2010 07:41 AM, James Antill wrote:

 On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 13:37 +0100, Jiri Moskovcak wrote:

 On 01/02/2010 03:32 PM, Jan Kratochvil wrote:

 Moreover ABRT does not install the whole debuginfo package but only
 copies the
 needed specific .debug files out of it somewhere - as know the ABRT
 people.

 Exactly, we don't install it, just extract the package to
 /var/cache/abrt-di. ABRT doesn't remove it automatically, but it's a
 planned feature.

  Why do you do this?


 We don't need root privileges and we can have multiple versions of the same
 debuginfo package installed.


What's the benefit of having multiple versions of the same debuginfo
installed when you can't have multiple versions of the same RPM
installed?


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Re: rawhide report: 20091228 changes

2009-12-29 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/28 Josephine Tannhauser josephine.tannhau...@googlemail.com:
 why are there so many broken deps?


See 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-December/msg01093.html


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Re: New plugin for system-config-network (PPTP)

2009-12-28 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/28 Сергей Варюхин cepreu.m...@gmail.com:
 Hi, i created new plugin for system-config-network (PPTP-connection type)
 and posted my patch in RFE report to bugzilla
 (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=550054). Also i have send
 patches to email of maintainer (har...@redhat.com) few weeks ago. But there
 still no any answer. In bugzilla and in email too. On
 https://fedorahosted.org/system-config-network/ writed that, if you create
 some patch, you must send it on har...@redhat.com. Does anybody know, is
 this page are actual?
 Does anybody know also, how i can contact with developers of
 system-config-network?
 Thanks in advance. Cepreu.


You only filed the bug the day before Christmas Eve, please give him a
chance. Most people don't check their work email over the holiday
period ;-)


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Re: Anyone else want to maintain alltray?

2009-12-14 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/14 Lucélio Gomes de Freitas aa.luce...@gmail.com:
 Nikola Pajkovsky,

 OK.. I am ready to be co-maintainer, it is a pleasure to be part of this
 team.
 what is the first step/guideline? I hope do not dissapoint.

 Thanks.


Log into the package database and click the Add myself to this
package button: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb

Note that you must first be a member of the Fedora Packagers group.

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Re: Need a sponsor: mod_proxy_html (apache)

2009-12-11 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/11 Jason L Tibbitts III ti...@math.uh.edu:
 MB == Mat Booth fed...@matbooth.co.uk writes:

 MB Here is a list of review requests that are not yet assigned to a
 MB reviewer:

 Rather than huge bugzilla queries, why not just
 http://fedoraproject.org/PackageReviewStatus/ ?


Neat, I didn't know about that.


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Re: Need a sponsor: mod_proxy_html (apache)

2009-12-10 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/10 Philip A. Prindeville philipp_s...@redfish-solutions.com:
 On 07/21/2009 11:37 PM, Philip A. Prindeville wrote:
 Philip A. Prindeville wrote:

 Hi.

 I need a sponsor for this.  An RPM has been built on several systems
 (including FC8 and FC9 and Centos5) and tested on all of those.

 The ticket has been languishing now unassigned for almost a year.

 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=452636

 Can someone please pick this up?

 It's just an .src.rpm for Apache's mod_proxy_html.

 It's pretty trivial.

 Thanks,

 -Philip



 Wow.  Who knew sponsors were that hard to come by?  Especially when most
 of the work is already done...

 -Philip


 Still looking for a sponsor... and a list of bugs to do mock code reviews 
 of...



Here is a list of review requests that are not yet assigned to a reviewer:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedshort_desc_type=allwordssubstrshort_desc=Review%20Requestproduct=Fedoracomponent=Package%20Reviewbug_status=NEWfield0-0-0=flagtypes.nametype0-0-0=notsubstringvalue0-0-0=fedora-review


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Re: Heads-up: RPM 4.8.0-beta1 about to hit rawhide

2009-12-08 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/8 Panu Matilainen pmati...@laiskiainen.org:
 On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Mat Booth wrote:

 2009/12/7 Panu Matilainen pmati...@redhat.com:

 Now that FESCo has approved new major RPM version for F-13 and the public
 beta is officially out... it's going to hit rawhide in a few hours.



 I remember hearing a rumour about automagic OSGi dependency
 resolution... Is that something that's likely to appear in the near
 future?

 You're probably thinking of this:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OSGiAutoDeps


Yes, that must be where I saw it.

 Rpm has carried the OSGi dep extractor script for couple of years now, but
 it doesn't get run automatically.


Is it not reliable enough?


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Re: Heads-up: RPM 4.8.0-beta1 about to hit rawhide

2009-12-08 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/8 Alexander Kurtakov akurt...@redhat.com:
 2009/12/8 Panu Matilainen pmati...@laiskiainen.org:
  On Mon, 7 Dec 2009, Mat Booth wrote:
  2009/12/7 Panu Matilainen pmati...@redhat.com:
  Now that FESCo has approved new major RPM version for F-13 and the
  public beta is officially out... it's going to hit rawhide in a few
  hours.
 
  I remember hearing a rumour about automagic OSGi dependency
  resolution... Is that something that's likely to appear in the near
  future?
 
  You're probably thinking of this:
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/OSGiAutoDeps

 Yes, that must be where I saw it.

  Rpm has carried the OSGi dep extractor script for couple of years now,
  but it doesn't get run automatically.

 Is it not reliable enough?

 Hi Mat,
 Look at bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=488352 . I think that
 some of the packages that need applying patches are yours :) so you can speed
 up the process a bit. Hopefully once we verify it is good enough for several
 Eclipse plugins it can be enabled by default.

 Regards,
 Alex


Aha, I didn't know about that bug; thanks for the pointer.


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Re: Heads-up: RPM 4.8.0-beta1 about to hit rawhide

2009-12-07 Thread Mat Booth
2009/12/7 Panu Matilainen pmati...@redhat.com:

 Now that FESCo has approved new major RPM version for F-13 and the public
 beta is officially out... it's going to hit rawhide in a few hours.



I remember hearing a rumour about automagic OSGi dependency
resolution... Is that something that's likely to appear in the near
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Re: example content

2009-11-25 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/23 Matthias Clasen mcla...@redhat.com:
 Hey,

 one change we are planning to make to the desktop spin in F13 is to go
 from targeting a cd to targeting a 1g usb stick. That will give us
 enough breathing room to include not only OpenOffice, but also some
 example content on the spin. We've wanted to do that for a long time,
 but the cd size restriction have prohibited that.

 The example content is meant to serve several purposes:

 - Be informative and/or pleasant

 - Allow users to try the included apps

 - Showcase content that has been produced with open source apps

 - Make the desktop spin more useful, e.g. to ambassadors


 Examples that might fit some of these categories are:

 - Suitably licensed music or movie trailers (big buck bunny has been
 mentioned already)

 - Spreadsheets or documents that contain interesting facts about Fedora
 or open source

 - the 1-page release notes pdf that was debuted for F12


 The purpose of this mail is to solicit proposals for content that might
 fit into these categories. Please send your proposals to
 fedora-desktop-list or just reply.


 Thanks!


 Matthias



Will all this magical content be in one easily-removable package? ;-)


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Re: A silly question about our FC tag

2009-11-20 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/20 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Stu Tomlinson  wrote:
 On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 22:01, Orcan Ogetbil  wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 12:57 AM, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
 There's many things that need to be changed in rpm but IMHO this isn't one
 of them.  RPM produces predictable versioning.  Hacking it up with special
 cases will lead nowhere but pain.

 Suppose we hack the RPM, such that right before RPM does the EVR check
 when updating a package, it will take the Release string and does a
 's...@.fc\([0-9]\)@.f\1@' for both the old and the new package? Can you
 give me an example where this might lead to a problem?

 Which part of Hacking it up with special cases will lead nowhere but
 pain. confused you?


 The part where an obvious hack would not cause a confusion confused me.

 It's a hack. It's Fedora-specific, so doesn't belong in RPM (or
 anything else). And RPM will no longer produce predictable versioning.


 My proposed hack's outcome is quite predictable.


But version comparison behaviour will cease to be consistent across
distributions.

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Re: Question about tagging

2009-11-19 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/19 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com:
 On Wed, 2009-11-18 at 20:32 -0500, Alex Lancaster wrote:

 Which component would be best to open a trac ticket for this
 functionality against?

 It basically needs to be fixed in Makefile.common, but my plan to fix it
 involves getting rid of CVS all together, and while doing that getting
 rid of the need for a common/ dir to carry around and update.



Exciting times. In your plan, what will be replacing CVS?

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Re: A silly question about our FC tag

2009-11-18 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/18 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
 On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
 On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 17:11 -0600, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:
 Actually not if done in conjunction with a release bump, such as we do
 with a mass rebuild.



 Only if we make a promise to never use the same base n-v-r across the
 releases until whichever release we did the mass rebuild on is retired.

 You are correct in that if we did a mass rebuild in dist-f13, we could
 move to .f##, but consider 3 days later a maintainer wants to push a new
 upstream release across the branches:

 foo-1.2-1.fc11
 foo-1.2-1.fc12
 foo-1.2-1.f13

 We're back in the same boat where the fc packages will be n-v-r
 higher.


 Is RPM so hard to hack to work this around?

 Orcan


One may opt not to use the dist tag, of course.


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Re: F13 Naming: Leonidas - Constantine - New Name?

2009-11-10 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/10 Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com:
 On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 16:45 +0100, Björn Persson wrote:

 After F12 comes Print Screen of course. ;-)

 My keyboard has F13 next...


You *are* F13...


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Re: rawhide report: 20091104 changes - excluding noarch packages

2009-11-04 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/4 Steve Traylen steve.tray...@cern.ch:
 On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Andrew Overholt overh...@redhat.com wrote:
 * Orion Poplawski or...@cora.nwra.com [2009-11-04 10:58]:
 On 11/04/2009 07:47 AM, Rawhide Report wrote:
 Compose started at Wed Nov  4 08:15:08 UTC 2009
 
 Broken deps for ppc64
 --
      eclipse-photran-5.0.0-0.3.200910081739.fc12.noarch requires 
  eclipse-cdt= 1:6.0
 

 Is there any way to exclude a noarch package from certain arches?

 ExcludeArch

 Maybe I am missing something here but if the architecture matters it's not a
 a noarch package by definition.


It's a Java package, so it *is* effectively noarch, but it depends on
an archful package that excludes ppc64.

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Re: Web page for distro life cycle stage

2009-11-03 Thread Mat Booth
2009/11/3 Ikem Krueger ikem.krue...@googlemail.com:
 Web page for distro life cycle stage

 If a release is in freeze, it can be in marked in an yellow circle, and when 
 we can push packages to a release, it can be in a green circle, similar to 
 traffic signal lights

 I like this idea. :)


Can't this be inferred from https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates ?


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Re: extracting multiple sources in %setup

2009-10-22 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/22 Orcan Ogetbil oget.fed...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Marcus Moeller wrote:
 Hi,

 is there a way to extract multiple sources in a spec files %setup section?

 Something like:

 for i in {1..10}; do tar xfz %(SOURCE$i}; done

 Best Regards
 Marcus


 %setup -q -c -n %{name} -a 0 -a 1 -a 2 -a 3 -a 4 -a 5 -a 6 -a 7 -a 8 -a 9 -a 
 10

 should work. I don't if there's any nicer way.

 Orcan


It's also perfectly acceptable to call the %setup macro more than
once, if you need to.

There is some stuff in Max RPM about it:

http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm/s1-rpm-inside-macros.html#S3-RPM-INSIDE-SETUP-MULTI-SOURCE

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Re: new tool: rpmguard - print important differences between RPMs

2009-10-21 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/21 Kamil Paral kpa...@redhat.com:
 Hi,

 I have created a simple tool called rpmguard for checking differences
 between RPM packages. It is very similar to rpmdiff, but it prints only
 important changes, not all. Therefore it can be used every time a new
 package is built to easily see if something hasn’t went completely wrong.


Was it not easier to just add a less verbose mode to rpmdiff?


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Re: Switching python-setuptools to distribute

2009-10-13 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/12 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com:
 I've been a comaintainer of the python-setuptools package for a long time
 and recently became the owner when icon relinquished it.  It is currently a
 tumultuous time for distributing python modules with a new and active
 maintainer for distutils inside of the python stdlib and a fork of
 setuptools being worked on.

 That fork is named distribute and there are two branches of development on
 it.  The 0.7 branch aims to implement API, metadata, and other features that
 will make packaging python modules for upstream building and distribution
 easier while being more concerned with the effects this has on
 Linux packagers.  The 0.6 branch intends to be compatible with the current
 seutptools package but to fix bugs and introduce features that are backwards
 compatible and oft requested.  This branch is being actively maintained by a
 core group of five committers including the new distutils maintainer.  By
 contrast, setuptools is maintained by a single maintainer who often has
 little time to work on it.

 When installed, the 0.6 branch takes over the setuptools and pkg_resources
 python modules.  The reasoning is that distribute-0.6 provides the same API
 as setuptools and is meant to replace it.  If the module was installed
 differently, consuming code (all the setup.py modules in any setuptools
 using package as well as code that relies on setuptools features at runtime)
 would all need to change their import statements to use the new names
 explicitly.  This choice is being made upstream by the distribute project.

 Upstream, the python community has viewed the fork favorably but since it's
 not part of python proper, the only one with say in the matter is the
 setuptools author.  He has not been willing to abandon the setuptools module
 but at the same time hasn't gained any more free time to work on setuptools.

 Several other Linux distributions (gentoo and arch) have started shipping
 distribute-0.6 as the source of their setuptools package.  I am thinking of
 doing the same for rawhide and pushing the change to older Fedora releases
 if bugs are reported that are fixed in distribute but not in seutptools as
 having a responsive upstream that cares about distribution packaging issues
 is a great plus for us.  I raised this plan on fedora-python-devel and
 received one positive comment and no negative feedback so I'm just
 mentioning it here so a broader audience can ask any questions or raise any
 issues before putting this into effect.

 -Toshio


I was unaware of all this. Is there a reason why the setuptools author
will not grant commit rights to others? Going solely on your email it
seems like a fork would be unnecessary if he was willing to share the
workload...


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Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-10-01 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/1 Kevin Kofler kevin.kof...@chello.at:
 Jeff Garzik wrote:
 Was ppc really such a burden?

 Yes. It slowed down builds, and it often triggered bizarre build failures
 which were NOT bugs in the program, but in the toolchain or in some core
 library like glibc, which in turn delayed important updates to the affected
 packages.

 In fact, my favorite ppc64 issue was a problem with OpenBabel hitting a
 limitation in the ppc64 toolchain: there's a table of contents which can
 grow only to a small fixed size, so large compilation units just don't
 compile on ppc64, while being perfectly valid C/C++ and compiling fine on
 all other architectures. (And that's already with the minimal TOC. Without
 it, the limit is for the whole executable!) OpenBabel's SWIG-generated
 bindings exceeded that limit. We were the only ones hitting it as no other
 distribution is insane enough to build their packages for ppc64. (The
 binaries don't even get actually used as ppc32 is the preferred multilib on
 64-bit PowerPC!) I played around with both compiler and SWIG flags to reduce
 the amount of TOC entries, which worked for 2 beta releases (requiring
 additional tweaking for the second one), but then it overflowed again. This
 was a big annoyance because the new OpenBabel betas were required for new
 kdeedu betas in Rawhide, so this stalled our KDE work. In the end, upstream
 removed some things from their bindings to get them to build, a quite
 suboptimal solution. IMHO the ppc64 ABI is just completely broken and needs
 to be redesigned from scratch.

        Kevin Kofler


Nice bug; this one is my favourite:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1308 -- PPC64 noarch builds
don't expand %{_libdir} to the correct place.

You absolutely *cannot* build Eclipse plugins on ppc64 hosts because
of this beauty. The current workaround is to just keep resubmitting
the build until Koji picks an i386, x86_64 or ppc host. (Nothing to do
with Eclipse either, BTW, seems like an RPM or mock problem.)


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Re: CalDAV Calendar (BedeWork)

2009-10-01 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/1 Trever L. Adams trever.ad...@gmail.com:
 Kevin Kofler wrote:
 Actually, new packages can be pushed as updates. You can add them even to
 F11, and F10 if you're really quick (new packages are accepted in F10 until
 1 month before its end of life, which is basically the day of F12's release,
 as the end of life for Fedora n is 1 month after Fedora n+2's release).

         Kevin Kofler

 As I said, I have a lot to learn. I need help from Java package experts
 so that I can get up and running quickly.

 Thank you,
 Trever




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Re: CalDAV Calendar (BedeWork)

2009-10-01 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/1 Trever L. Adams trever.ad...@gmail.com:
 Hello all,

 About a year ago, I suggested that BedeWork (http://bedework.org) be
 included. I offered to package it with some help. I unfortunately ran
 out of time. I now have time to package it and hopefully maintain the
 package. Unfortunately, I haven't written an Java code in a decade or
 so. I have never messed with Java packages.

 The problems I have:

 This package has a bunch of property files that you have to edit before
 you build the program.
 (http://www.bedework.org/downloads/3.5/BedeworkManual-3.5.pdf#page=18)
 These include database names, locations, user/passwords for the
 database, etc. I do not know if this is normal or not. I do not know how
 to package this, how to suggest people customize this information, etc.


Also, setting usernames and passwords at compile time is definitely
not normal for *any* kind of application. Are you sure they are not
runtime properties?


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Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-10-01 Thread Mat Booth
2009/10/1 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:
 On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 06:42:08PM +0100, Mat Booth wrote:
Nice bug; this one is my favourite:
https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1308 -- PPC64 noarch builds
don't expand %{_libdir} to the correct place.

 I'm pretty sure I have seen 'noarch builds shouldn't be using %{_libdir}'
 repeated several times.


Eclipse is an archful package and that plonks files in %{_libdir} that
are needed during the build of plugins that may or may not be noarch.


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Re: PPC/PPC64 disabled in Koji for dist-f13

2009-09-28 Thread Mat Booth
2009/9/28 Josh Boyer jwbo...@gmail.com:
 Hi All,

 As of today, ppc and ppc64 are no longer primary architectures in koji 
 starting
 with the dist-f13 tag.  This is in accordance with the FESCo approved demotion
 of PowerPC starting with Fedora 13 development.

 The dist-f12 and older tags continue to have them as primary.

 Happy building.

 josh



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Re: rawhide report: 20090910 changes

2009-09-11 Thread Mat Booth
2009/9/11 Rawhide Report rawh...@fedoraproject.org:

 New package emacs-common-pmd
        An interface to PMD for Emacs
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Re: Adding a project to transifex

2009-09-08 Thread Mat Booth
2009/9/7 Matthew Booth mbo...@redhat.com:

 snip/

 Thanks,

 Matt


Woah, that was spinning me out for a second there. It's got my name on
it, but I don't remember writing it.

Turns out I'm the *other* mbooth... ;-)

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Re: fedora-pkgdb: make it discoverable on browser home page?

2009-08-24 Thread Mat Booth
2009/8/23 Toshio Kuratomi a.bad...@gmail.com:
 On 08/23/2009 10:50 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:

 Aren't we pitching Fedora Community interface as the end user facing
 thing, going forward? It seems some of these features will overlap or
 duplicate it.

 It's possible.  The packagedb is going to be the backend for the Fedora
 Community Front end so it had to get written this summer so that work on
 the front-end can proceed.


Will all the functionality that Pkgdb offers[1] eventually be added to
pages like 
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/community/?package=0x#package_maintenance
so that the Pkgdb web front-end could be obsoleted?

[1] Orphaning, co-maintainership applications, etc


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Re: showing dependency trees

2009-08-24 Thread Mat Booth
2009/8/23 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se:
 Debayan Banerjee wrote:
 2009/8/24 Björn Persson bj...@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se
  That's not all that quick. There ought to be a tool for this. Given a
  package
  name it should print the dependency tree for that package. It could have
  an option to suppress packages in the base set. Couldn't Yum be taught to
  answer
  that kind of queries?

 edos-rpmcheck

 http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/debcheck_home

 Judging from the description on that page, that's not what I want. It says the
 program checks whether a package is installable. Yum can do that. I want to
 check whether a package drags in other packages unnecessarily.

 Björn Persson



Maybe speak to Richard Jones:
http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/size-of-rpm-dependencies-2/

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Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule--Final Release Date 2009-11-10

2009-08-20 Thread Mat Booth
2009/8/19 Ankit Patel an...@redhat.com:

 Is there any way to get notification, when packages (re)build is done?

 I am referring to task - Ongoing Test Package Builds for Translation
 Review, Thu 2009-09-10 to Mon 2009-09-14 from the schedule, where FLP
 (Fedora Localization Project) team of translators might want to know whether
 the packages they have translated are rebuilt along with latest translations
 or not.

 Thanks!


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Re: Firefox addon for Fedora-pkgdb search

2009-08-20 Thread Mat Booth
2009/8/19 Adam Miller maxamill...@gmail.com:
 Hello all,
    I decided posting this to the devel-list would be most appropriate
 because I assume it to be the crowd who would put something like this
 to use (but I could be wrong). I threw together a little Firefox AddOn
 that adds the pkgdb as a search option and then spoke with Máirín
 Duffy about a logo and she was nice enough to put together one awesome
 logo for the addon (thanks again for that!). I'm also in discussion
 with Luke Macken about making something similar except for Fedora
 Community, more on that once it comes to life but in the mean time,
 enjoy!

 https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13710

 Thanks,
 -Adam

 P.S. - If this was the wrong list to post to, many apologies and I'm
 open to suggestion on where to shoot info like this :)


Neat. I occasionally want to yum search for something when using a
non-Fedora system (or from a different Fedora release from the one I'm
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F11 Bind Updates

2009-07-30 Thread Mat Booth
Updating my F11 box today and found this in the console:

  Cleanup: 32:bind-libs-9.6.1-3.fc11.x86_64
   27/28
/sbin/ldconfig: relative path `1' used to build cache
Non-fatal POSTUN scriptlet failure in rpm package b
  Cleanup: gvfs-gphoto2-1.2.3-7.fc11.x86_64
   28/28
warning: %postun(bind-libs-32:9.6.1-3.fc11.x86_64) scriptlet failed,
exit status 1

Will this have broken anything and do I need to perform any steps to
recover from this error? It looks benign, but I'd like to make sure.

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Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-28 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
 As today is the Feature Freeze, I am preparing to block all the
 unblocked orphans.  This is your last chance to pick one of them up.
 Those that remain unblocked at the end of my day (around  UTC) will
 be blocked.

 Unblocked orphan jline
 Unblocked orphan junitperf
 Unblocked orphan msv
 Unblocked orphan plexus-container-default
 Unblocked orphan plexus-interactivity
 Unblocked orphan plexus-velocity

 Well, we should probably make sure maven still works since a bunch of
 projects probably depend on this to build, so I can take these.

 I'm fast becoming a one man Java SIG. :-/


Hmm, pkgdb won't let me take the devel branch of jline for some
reason. What shall can I do about that?


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Re: Orphans on the chopping block for F12

2009-07-28 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:48 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote:
 As today is the Feature Freeze, I am preparing to block all the
 unblocked orphans.  This is your last chance to pick one of them up.
 Those that remain unblocked at the end of my day (around  UTC) will
 be blocked.

 Unblocked orphan jline
 Unblocked orphan junitperf
 Unblocked orphan msv
 Unblocked orphan plexus-container-default
 Unblocked orphan plexus-interactivity
 Unblocked orphan plexus-velocity

 Well, we should probably make sure maven still works since a bunch of
 projects probably depend on this to build, so I can take these.

 I'm fast becoming a one man Java SIG. :-/


 Hmm, pkgdb won't let me take the devel branch of jline for some
 reason. What shall can I do about that?


 Ah crap, just realised I'm in GMT+1, so I guess you've already started
 the blocking process...


Erm yeah, I suck at maths. Going to bed before I embarrass myself further.


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Re: Purging the F12 orphans

2009-07-25 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Jesse Keating wrote:
 List of deps left behind by orphan removal:

 Orphan: xml-commons-apis12
    dom4j requires jaxp = 1.2


Does dom4j really require jaxp 1.2? Is it possible to make it work
with the version in xml-commons-apis (version 1.3 I think)?


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Re: Plan for Friday's (20090717) FESCo meeting

2009-07-16 Thread Mat Booth
On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Jon Stanleyjonstan...@gmail.com wrote:
 197     noarch subpackages -
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/NoarchSubpackages

Huh. I'm already using this functionality in F-11 for my LPG package. [1]

Am I wrong to be doing so? I did notice scratch builds don't seem to
like noarch subpackages very much.

[1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=114402

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Re: Purging the F12 orphans

2009-07-14 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Jerry Jamesloganje...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jesse Keating jkeat...@redhat.com wrote:

 Unblocked orphan ant-contrib
 Unblocked orphan apollon
 Unblocked orphan azureus
 Unblocked orphan beagle
 Unblocked orphan bes
 Unblocked orphan bmake
 Unblocked orphan buoh
 Unblocked orphan cryptix
 Unblocked orphan ctrlproxy
 Unblocked orphan dap-freeform_handler
 Unblocked orphan dap-hdf4_handler
 Unblocked orphan dap-netcdf_handler
 Unblocked orphan dap-server
 Unblocked orphan drapes
 Unblocked orphan dumpasn1
 Unblocked orphan elsa
 Unblocked orphan f-spot
 Unblocked orphan fig2ps
 Unblocked orphan flpsed
 Unblocked orphan fmit

 Are there really none that start with g-z, or did something quit after fmit?


No specfile was ever booked into CVS for fmit... What a waste of time!


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Re: Purging the F12 orphans

2009-07-14 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Jesse Keatingjkeat...@redhat.com wrote:

 Unblocked orphan jakarta-commons-codec
 Unblocked orphan jakarta-commons-digester
 Unblocked orphan jakarta-commons-launcher
 Unblocked orphan jakarta-commons-modeler
 Unblocked orphan xerces-j2
 Unblocked orphan xml-commons-apis


The ones listed above are Eclipse dependencies (at least, ones I'm
aware are Eclipse dependencies), which I can take, but co-maintainers
are preferred of course.

 Unblocked orphan xml-commons-apis12


repoquery says nothing uses xml-commons-apis12, could this be retired?

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Re: non-blocking dbus server

2009-07-10 Thread Mat Booth
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jiri Moskovcakjmosk...@redhat.com wrote:
 Hi,
 in our project ABRT we use DBUS for communication between ABRT daemon and
 client (gui), the problem is that when I ask daemon to do some
 time-consuming work the server is blocked until the work is done. So I want
 to use threads and that's where I found the catch.

 Here is my idea:
 1. client calls remote method foo() over dbus
 2. daemon receives the call, creates the thread and let it do the work in
 background and serve other requests
 3. when the work is finished send reply to the client
 - this is the part where I'm stuck, because I want to send the reply as
 return message to the matching method call, but the method call already
 returned when I started the thread. (So far I can achieve this by sending
 signal with return value as an argument, but I don't think this is a good
 solution).

 I use dbus-c++, so maybe the answer is in some low-level DBUS API.

 Thanks for any help,
 Jirka


Why can't you have a callback in the client that the daemon can call
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3Dsee.net java applet crashes firefox

2009-07-09 Thread Mat Booth
I get an intermittant segfault in Firefox [1] when viewing the items
in the gallery over at http://3dsee.net/Gallery (once even trashing
the display and locking the machine up solid).

Should I report this against Firefox or Java?

I have the following installed:

java-1.5.0-gcj.x86_64 1.5.0.0-28.fc11
java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64 1:1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11
java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin.x86_64  1:1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11
firefox.x86_643.5-1.fc11


[1] Running firefox from the terminal produces:

JNLPAppletLauncher: static initializer
os.name = linux
nativePrefix = lib  nativeSuffix = .so
tmpRootDir = /tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657
Applet.init
subapplet.classname = ACIDVisionViewer.ObjViewer
subapplet.displayname = ACID Vision Viewer
Applet.start
os.name = linux
os.arch = amd64
processNativeJar: using previously cached:
/home/mbooth/.jnlp-applet/cache/3dsee_net/7a0e806f70cba53e5de753282fb8bea46fe32ffa/lib_j3dcore-ogl_so.jar
validateCertificates:
VALIDATE: libj3dcore-ogl.so
extractNativeLibs:
EXTRACT: libj3dcore-ogl.so(j3dcore-ogl)
JNLPAppletLauncher.loadLibrary(j3dcore-ogl)
loading: 
/tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657/jln7242786902609691381/libj3dcore-ogl.so
JNLPAppletLauncher: static initializer
os.name = linux
nativePrefix = lib  nativeSuffix = .so
tmpRootDir = /tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657
Applet.init
subapplet.classname = ACIDVisionViewer.ObjViewer
subapplet.displayname = ACID Vision Viewer
Applet.start
os.name = linux
os.arch = amd64
/usr/lib64/firefox-3.5/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  3605 Segmentation
fault  $prog ${1+$@}


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Re: 3Dsee.net java applet crashes firefox

2009-07-09 Thread Mat Booth
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 10:15 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 I get an intermittant segfault in Firefox [1] when viewing the items
 in the gallery over at http://3dsee.net/Gallery (once even trashing
 the display and locking the machine up solid).

 Should I report this against Firefox or Java?

 I have the following installed:

 java-1.5.0-gcj.x86_64                                     1.5.0.0-28.fc11
 java-1.6.0-openjdk.x86_64                                 
 1:1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11
 java-1.6.0-openjdk-plugin.x86_64                          
 1:1.6.0.0-22.b16.fc11
 firefox.x86_64                                            3.5-1.fc11


 [1] Running firefox from the terminal produces:

 JNLPAppletLauncher: static initializer
 os.name = linux
 nativePrefix = lib  nativeSuffix = .so
 tmpRootDir = /tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657
 Applet.init
 subapplet.classname = ACIDVisionViewer.ObjViewer
 subapplet.displayname = ACID Vision Viewer
 Applet.start
 os.name = linux
 os.arch = amd64
 processNativeJar: using previously cached:
 /home/mbooth/.jnlp-applet/cache/3dsee_net/7a0e806f70cba53e5de753282fb8bea46fe32ffa/lib_j3dcore-ogl_so.jar
 validateCertificates:
 VALIDATE: libj3dcore-ogl.so
 extractNativeLibs:
 EXTRACT: libj3dcore-ogl.so(j3dcore-ogl)
 JNLPAppletLauncher.loadLibrary(j3dcore-ogl)
    loading: 
 /tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657/jln7242786902609691381/libj3dcore-ogl.so
 JNLPAppletLauncher: static initializer
 os.name = linux
 nativePrefix = lib  nativeSuffix = .so
 tmpRootDir = /tmp/jnlp-applet/jln4687162377651411657
 Applet.init
 subapplet.classname = ACIDVisionViewer.ObjViewer
 subapplet.displayname = ACID Vision Viewer
 Applet.start
 os.name = linux
 os.arch = amd64
 /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5/run-mozilla.sh: line 131:  3605 Segmentation
 fault      $prog ${1+$@}



This screenshot is quite good, not had a good crash like this in ages:

http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/3dsee.png

Though after a little thought, it could be the proprietary nvidia
driver I'm using. I'll hold off reporting a bug until I try it with a
different driver.


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Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support

2009-07-05 Thread Mat Booth
On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jeroen van Meeuwenkana...@kanarip.com wrote:

 The CentOS project, or it's upstream, has a release cycle of approximately
 three years -not a steady release cycle of three years but that's what it
 turns out to be. This disqualifies the distribution(s) as desktop Linux
 distributions, as desktops tend to need to run the latest and greatest for
 as far the latest and greatest lets them.

 Does that make sense?


No, it doesn't make a great deal of sense. You say a market for this
is the corporate desktop, but a government department I work with runs
their scientific desktops on RHEL 4. They have a lot of in-house apps
that are known to work on that platform. There is absolutely no sense
in expending resources on switching to a newer version until that
version's EOL is in sight.


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Re: Mass-Package Orphanage

2009-07-03 Thread Mat Booth
On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Nathanael D. Nobletnathan...@gnat.ca wrote:
 On 07/03/2009 10:52 AM, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote:

 NDN == Nathanael D Nobletnathan...@gnat.ca  writes:

 NDN  I'm wondering if it is possible to be a co-maintainer with
 NDN  someone willing?

 In general, all you need is a sponsor.  The usual route to that is via
 the submission of new packages, but it's not the only way.  I happen
 to be a sponsor, so that's not an issue.

 What is an issue is that fact that the horde suite is somewhat
 delicate and security sensitive, and not really the best set of
 packages for a first-time packager.  This is somewhat offset by the
 fact that the packages already exist and just need maintenance.

 Yeah, I figured as much. There are a few other packages I wouldn't mind
 helping out with all in all but without submitting a package for review it
 seems I'm coming at this a bit sideways...


 I think that if you're interested, you should start by requesting
 watchcommits and watchbugzilla on at least the Fedora branches of
 those packages.  (I have no desire to maintain the EPEL5 branch, so
 someone else needs to step in to take care of that one.)  The URLs
 are:

 Ok, well I could definitely use the EPEL5 packages as I up to now have been
 installing them on CentOS 5 servers manually.


Then help Jason maintain the EPEL branches by sending him spec file
patches, re-basing Fedora carried patches to new versions, etc.

Submitting patches is great alternative way to prove yourself for
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Re: rawhide report: 20090702 changes

2009-07-02 Thread Mat Booth
On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 5:43 PM, Bill Nottinghamnott...@redhat.com wrote:

 Of course, I suspect we'll now have someone claiming that the camel
 book is actually a religous text.


For the love of Larry, have you no respect?


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Re: Segfault connecting to a VPN through NetworkManager

2009-07-01 Thread Mat Booth
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Paul Howarthp...@city-fan.org wrote:
 On 30/06/09 21:52, Mat Booth wrote:

 Hi,

 I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]

 What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
 none of the above?

 [1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt

 Looks like pptp to me; can you repeat the segfault with pptp-debuginfo
 installed?

 Paul.


Good idea, I should have thought of that. But wouldn't you know it? I
install the debuginfo and the damned thing works perfectly. :-/

(Not that I'm complaining, you understand. I just really hate when
something fixes itself.)

I definitely raise a ticket if I see it again.

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Segfault connecting to a VPN through NetworkManager

2009-06-30 Thread Mat Booth
Hi,

I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]

What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
none of the above?

[1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt

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Re: Segfault connecting to a VPN through NetworkManager

2009-06-30 Thread Mat Booth
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Mat Boothfed...@matbooth.co.uk wrote:
 Hi,

 I got this segfault trying to connect to the Microsoft VPN at work. [1]

 What should I raise a ticket against? NetworkManager, kernel, pptp,
 none of the above?

 [1] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/vpn-bug.txt


Actually this is a regression from F10. The script I use to connect on
my F10 laptop [2] fails on my newly installed F11.

It works with this software installed:
kernel 2.6.27.15-170.2.56.fc10
NetworkManager 1:0.7.1-1.fc10
NetworkManager-pptp 1:0.7.0.99-1.fc10
pptp 1.7.2-5.fc10

And produces the segfault shown above with the following software installed:
kernel 2.6.29.5-191.fc11
NetworkManager 1:0.7.1-4.git20090414.fc11
NetworkManager-pptp 1:0.7.0.99-1.fc11
pptp 1.7.2-6.fc11

[2] http://mbooth.fedorapeople.org/start-vpn (sorry, I deleted my
password from this script ;-)


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Re: FAO: Programmers Quick Q?

2009-06-29 Thread Mat Booth
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Frank Murphyfrankl...@gmail.com wrote:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Development#Communication

 with this in mind.
 Have a ticket open for a new m-l.

 devel-apps@ or programming-sig@

 Any preference?


 Frank


As a software engineer, I am also interested in making Fedora the best
development distro out there (I do this by packaging Eclipse plug-ins)
and I think the formation of a SIG to look after development tools
(much like the Perl SIG) is a good idea but I'm having great
difficulty in identifying the need for a separate developer /spin/.
Presumably the target audience (people like you and I) has the
where-with-all to discover and install their own tools and a pre-set
list of tools chosen for them is almost never going to cut it
(Netbeans users tend not to care for Eclipse and vice-versa) so who is
the spin for, exactly?


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Re: Rawhide debuginfo packages with no sources

2009-06-27 Thread Mat Booth
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Ville Skyttäville.sky...@iki.fi wrote:
 Hello,

 Quite a few packages that produce *-debuginfo without sources have crept again
 in rawhide.  See https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Debuginfo for
 possible reasons, the most usual of which in my (past, haven't checked this
 batch that closely) experience is failure to honor $RPM_OPT_FLAGS during build
 which can also mean that the default security related compiler flags aren't
 being applied either.

 List of such packages identified by my debuginfo-check.py is attached
 (ownership info generated with Thorsten's fedoradev-pkgowners).  I intend to
 submit debuginfo-check.py to yum-utils (probably as debugrepo-check) and have
 added a similar check in upstream svn rpmlint, hopefully with these additions
 people will start noticing the issues easier.

 Maintainer   Package                     Co-maintainers
 
 mbooth       brazil                      (none)


In F11+ brazil is now a noarch package and does not generate a
debuginfo package.


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Re: Building packages for EPEL

2009-06-23 Thread Mat Booth
On Sun, Jun 21, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Dennis Gilmoreden...@ausil.us wrote:
 EPEL is now using koji to build instead of plague.  please make sure that you
 update th common directory in your checkout to pick up the needed changes to
 submit builds.

 Bodhi support will come early next week to issue updates.

 the buildroots are only populated by packages from stable if you need to build
 against something in testing or that you have just build please email your
 request to epel-rel...@lists.fedoraproject.org



Nice one, thanks for putting in the work for this!

This will be encouragement for me to build my packages for EPEL as a
matter of course. (Laziness on my part prevents me from learning a
second process.)

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Re: Packaging Survey - May 2009

2009-05-29 Thread Mat Booth
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:31 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 Hi

 I did a quick survey from Fedora on what software Fedora users are using
 that is not available in the repo. Here are the results. If you find
 anything interesting, feel free to pick it up.

 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Survey_May_2009

 Rahul


Hi,

I don't think JEP should be on that list. I've used it in few
commercial products and its a thousand dollars a pop for a source code
licence:

http://www.singularsys.com/order/

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Re: Packaging Survey - May 2009

2009-05-29 Thread Mat Booth
On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 5:55 PM, Rahul Sundaram
sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:
 On 05/29/2009 07:34 PM, Mat Booth wrote:


 I don't think JEP should be on that list. I've used it in few
 commercial products and its a thousand dollars a pop for a source code
 licence:

 http://www.singularsys.com/order/

 JEP in the wiki is linked to http://sourceforge.net/projects/jep/. Are
 you even talking about the same software?


Yes, I think we are. At the very top of the page you link to it says:

As of 2008-09-29 23:14, this project may now be found at:
http://www.singularsys.com/jep;


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