Applications install should be idiot proof

[Nelson Chan]

i've just read
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof
he got a pretty good idea, see the 2nd last paragraph:
"""
I may know that Amarok ,
Banshee,
Rhythmbox , and
Songbirdare all noteworthy Linux music
players, but come on! Does anyone beside
another Linux expert know that? Letting users choose a program by say
clicking on "music player" and then picking one makes all the sense in the
world.
"""
The idea is that newbies are likely have no idea what amarok,rhythmbox are,
so does other applications  Totem, abiword, Brasero..etc.  what they know
are the general type of the software --- Music player, movie player, office
suite, CD/DVD burner...
Also i tried to search for "music player" in Add/Remove Software,
interestingly, it gives extremely odd and pointless result..(try that
yourself)
So i can see why newbies are pull their hair off and *CAN"T GET THINGS
DONE*, and claim *fedora sucks*
See this fact, i think that we should classify some applications under their
type.
For instance,  have   Rhythmbox, amarok ..etc  under "Music Player"

The above is just a suggestion, hoping to help brain storming more better
approaches.
But i think that the idea is kinda a must for Windows and Mac OS X users to
get comfort with Linux/fedora.

Cheers.

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Re: Applications install should be idiot proof

[Thomas Janssen]

2009/7/26 Nelson Chan :
> i've just read
> http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof
> he got a pretty good idea, see the 2nd last paragraph:
> """
> I may know that Amarok, Banshee, Rhythmbox, and Songbird are all noteworthy
> Linux music players, but come on! Does anyone beside another Linux expert
> know that? Letting users choose a program by say clicking on "music player"
> and then picking one makes all the sense in the world.
> """

Free (part of the Fedora philosophy) means as well that *I* can choose
what application i want. The example is a bad one since we already did
choose a default player for every DE on every spin.

> The idea is that newbies are likely have no idea what amarok,rhythmbox are,
> so does other applications  Totem, abiword, Brasero..etc.  what they know
> are the general type of the software --- Music player, movie player, office
> suite, CD/DVD burner...

Works with player, office and other keywords. And there are groups who
lists apps, like "Multimedia", "Office" and others.

> Also i tried to search for "music player" in Add/Remove Software,
> interestingly, it gives extremely odd and pointless result..(try that
> yourself)
> So i can see why newbies are pull their hair off and *CAN"T GET THINGS
> DONE*, and claim *fedora sucks*
> See this fact, i think that we should classify some applications under their
> type.
> For instance,  have   Rhythmbox, amarok ..etc  under "Music Player"

The above mentioned group "Multimedia" is just for that. Having groups
for every combination of keywords might be a bit overload. But thats
just my 2Cent.

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Re: Applications install should be idiot proof

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Nelson Chan wrote:


i've just read  
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_installation_idiot_proof
he got a pretty good idea, see the 2nd last paragraph:
"""
I may know that Amarok, Banshee, Rhythmbox, and Songbird are all noteworthy 
Linux music players, but come on! Does anyone
beside another Linux expert know that? Letting users choose a program by say clicking on 
"music player" and then picking
one makes all the sense in the world.
"""
The idea is that newbies are likely have no idea what amarok,rhythmbox are, so 
does other applications  Totem, abiword,
Brasero..etc.  what they know are the general type of the software --- Music 
player, movie player, office suite, CD/DVD
burner...
Also i tried to search for "music player" in Add/Remove Software, 
interestingly, it gives extremely odd and pointless
result..(try that yourself)
So i can see why newbies are pull their hair off and *CAN"T GET THINGS DONE*, 
and claim *fedora sucks*
See this fact, i think that we should classify some applications under their 
type.
For instance,  have   Rhythmbox, amarok ..etc  under "Music Player"

The above is just a suggestion, hoping to help brain storming more better 
approaches.
But i think that the idea is kinda a must for Windows and Mac OS X users to get 
comfort with Linux/fedora.



something on track for Fedora 13 is tags for packages. So you can add 
arbitrary keywords/phrases for packages that then yum/PK can search on.



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Re: Applications install should be idiot proof

[Ben Boeckel]

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Seth Vidal wrote:

> 
> 
> On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Nelson Chan wrote:
> 
>> i've just read 
>> 
http://blogs.computerworld.com/ubuntu_to_make_linux_application_
installation_idiot_proof he got
>> a pretty good idea, see the 2nd last paragraph: """
>> I may know that Amarok, Banshee, Rhythmbox, and Songbird are 
all noteworthy Linux music players,
>> but come on! Does anyone beside another Linux expert know 
that? Letting users choose a program
>> by say clicking on "music player" and then picking one makes 
all the sense in the world.
>> """
>> The idea is that newbies are likely have no idea what 
amarok,rhythmbox are, so does other
>> applications  Totem, abiword, Brasero..etc.  what they know 
are the general type of the software
>> --- Music player, movie player, office suite, CD/DVD 
burner...
>> Also i tried to search for "music player" in Add/Remove 
Software, interestingly, it gives
>> extremely odd and pointless result..(try that yourself)
>> So i can see why newbies are pull their hair off and *CAN"T 
GET THINGS DONE*, and claim *fedora
>> sucks* See this fact, i think that we should classify some 
applications under their type.
>> For instance,  have   Rhythmbox, amarok ..etc  under "Music 
Player"
>> 
>> The above is just a suggestion, hoping to help brain storming 
more better approaches.
>> But i think that the idea is kinda a must for Windows and Mac 
OS X users to get comfort with
>> Linux/fedora.
>>
> 
> something on track for Fedora 13 is tags for packages. So you 
can add
> arbitrary keywords/phrases for packages that then yum/PK can 
search on.
> 
> 
> -sv

Would these be a comps-like system? Could they replace comps 
with tags like -required and -recommended tag suffixes (my 
knowledge of the inner working of comps is limited)? Or would 
they be marked in pkgdb or the spec file? Links to information 
would be nice; I'd like such a system :) .

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Re: Applications install should be idiot proof

[Seth Vidal]

On Sun, 26 Jul 2009, Ben Boeckel wrote:


Would these be a comps-like system? Could they replace comps
with tags like -required and -recommended tag suffixes (my
knowledge of the inner working of comps is limited)? Or would
they be marked in pkgdb or the spec file? Links to information
would be nice; I'd like such a system :) .



no - this is not a comps replacement. This is a simple tag system. The 
info is in the pkgdb but made available for the repodata so that yum (et. 
al) can get to it.


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