Re: Clipboard manager by default in Fedora 12
On 07/26/2009 07:32 AM, Julian Aloofi wrote: Oops, I meant Fedora 12 when I wrote this: I don't think that would count as a feature, and it isn't one. It's basically a program every system should have (in my opinion). The Gnome clipboard isn't working great. I often get complaints from new users I introduce to Fedora that their clipboard content was lost when they closed Firefox, or something similar. And it's true, I don't trust the default Gnome CopyPaste to keep anything in it when I'm not running a clipboard manager and don't close any apps just in case. It would be really nice to have a clipboard manager by default on the Live CD (GNOME and XFCE, KDE already has klipper). When I look in the repos for available clipboard managers, I see glipper, parcellite and the XFCE plugin (xfce4-clipman-plugin). glipper is 111 k, and parcellite is 114, so it shouldn't be a difference of size. I personally would recommend parcellite, because it's pretty lightweight and works good (and I use it myself :D). What do you think about that? I think this would improve the user experience and add functionality to the desktop. I get the feeling you haven't pushed the GNOME clipboard in awhile. Its perfectly fine. The Firefox issue was always Firefox's fault. Its designed to keep information from leaking out of the browser. --CJD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Clipboard manager by default in Fedora 12
On 27.07.2009 15:49, Casey Dahlin wrote: On 07/26/2009 07:32 AM, Julian Aloofi wrote: Oops, I meant Fedora 12 when I wrote this: I don't think that would count as a feature, and it isn't one. It's basically a program every system should have (in my opinion). The Gnome clipboard isn't working great. I often get complaints from new users I introduce to Fedora that their clipboard content was lost when they closed Firefox, or something similar. And it's true, I don't trust the default Gnome CopyPaste to keep anything in it when I'm not running a clipboard manager and don't close any apps just in case. It would be really nice to have a clipboard manager by default on the Live CD (GNOME and XFCE, KDE already has klipper). When I look in the repos for available clipboard managers, I see glipper, parcellite and the XFCE plugin (xfce4-clipman-plugin). glipper is 111 k, and parcellite is 114, so it shouldn't be a difference of size. I personally would recommend parcellite, because it's pretty lightweight and works good (and I use it myself :D). What do you think about that? I think this would improve the user experience and add functionality to the desktop. I get the feeling you haven't pushed the GNOME clipboard in awhile. Its perfectly fine. The Firefox issue was always Firefox's fault. Its designed to keep information from leaking out of the browser. --CJD Hi all, that's interesting, I have a question about the standard clipboard. Highlighting some text in an app, may it be firefox, thunderbird, tomboy, whatever and then pasting it to an existing xterm with middle mouse button works. However if you open a new xterm _after_ you highlighted some text the previously highlighted text is not being pasted to the new xterm. There might be some some security concerns I might not be thinking of but it's not the behavior I would expect from a user perspective. What's actually going on there? Stefan -- Stefan Assmann | Red Hat GmbH Software Engineer | Otto-Hahn-Strasse 20, 85609 Dornach | HR: Amtsgericht Muenchen HRB 153243 | GF: Brendan Lane, Charlie Peters, sassmann at redhat.com | Michael Cunningham, Charles Cachera -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Clipboard manager by default in Fedora 12
On 07/27/2009 07:49 AM, Casey Dahlin wrote: The Firefox issue was always Firefox's fault. Its designed to keep information from leaking out of the browser. Seriously? Do you have any reference source for this information? AFAIK, the real truth is that this behaviour is a a result of how X protocol is designed: http://www.pixelbeat.org/docs/xclipboard.html Note it's the X application itself that maintains the storage for what it puts on the buffers, which makes a lot of sense when you think about it, especially considering X's network transparency. But that means when you close the application the content of the clipboard and selection buffer are lost. You can get around this behaviour by using an external application to manage the storage for the clipboard, the standard one being xclipboard. Note this is the reason why it's awkward to get a command line program to paste to the clipboard. It has to fork and run until no longer required (someone else pastes to the clipboard). See xsel http://www.vergenet.net/%7Econrad/software/xsel/ for an example of this. -- thufor -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Clipboard manager by default in Fedora 12
Oops, I meant Fedora 12 when I wrote this: I don't think that would count as a feature, and it isn't one. It's basically a program every system should have (in my opinion). The Gnome clipboard isn't working great. I often get complaints from new users I introduce to Fedora that their clipboard content was lost when they closed Firefox, or something similar. And it's true, I don't trust the default Gnome CopyPaste to keep anything in it when I'm not running a clipboard manager and don't close any apps just in case. It would be really nice to have a clipboard manager by default on the Live CD (GNOME and XFCE, KDE already has klipper). When I look in the repos for available clipboard managers, I see glipper, parcellite and the XFCE plugin (xfce4-clipman-plugin). glipper is 111 k, and parcellite is 114, so it shouldn't be a difference of size. I personally would recommend parcellite, because it's pretty lightweight and works good (and I use it myself :D). What do you think about that? I think this would improve the user experience and add functionality to the desktop. signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
