F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
Hi All, As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade experience and issues for F-12. Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected works fine. I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. Thankfully the issue with detection of my 2nd screen at 1680x1050 is no longer and it now works great. Laptop screen is 1440x900 and I use to have to run a manual 'xrandr --auto' to get it to detect both resolutions properly and configure it. Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the gnome panels is massive! Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
Peter Robinson wrote: Hi All, As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade experience and issues for F-12. Please do file bugs for any problems you encountered, they -should- get more attention from the correct maintainers that way. Thanks, -Eric Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected works fine. I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. Thankfully the issue with detection of my 2nd screen at 1680x1050 is no longer and it now works great. Laptop screen is 1440x900 and I use to have to run a manual 'xrandr --auto' to get it to detect both resolutions properly and configure it. Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the gnome panels is massive! Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 11:17 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > Hi All, > > As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt > reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade > experience and issues for F-12. > > Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. > The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected > works fine. > > I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that > it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel > boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM > comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. What happens then? > Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to > have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and > off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also > disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has > sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging > this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bug_info_kernel_sound > The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the > gnome panels is massive! This is currently being 'enthusiastically' discussed on fedora-desktop-list. :) -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
>> As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt >> reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade >> experience and issues for F-12. >> >> Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. >> The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected >> works fine. >> >> I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that >> it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel >> boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM >> comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. > > Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. > What happens then? It has certainly improved it. I wasn't in front of the machine as it booted this morning so I'll need to check out plymouth this evening but the responsiveness of the display is improved and I don't get duplicate mouse pointers now. The performance seems reduced compared to F-11 though :-( >> Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to >> have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and >> off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also >> disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has >> sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging >> this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bug_info_kernel_sound > >> The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the >> gnome panels is massive! > > This is currently being 'enthusiastically' discussed on > fedora-desktop-list. :) Thanks for the pointer. I noticed its also been tweaked in todays rawhide. I've also noticed of late that yum performance has gone through the floor too. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >>> As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt >>> reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade >>> experience and issues for F-12. >>> >>> Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. >>> The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected >>> works fine. >>> >>> I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that >>> it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel >>> boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM >>> comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. >> >> Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. >> What happens then? > > It has certainly improved it. I wasn't in front of the machine as it > booted this morning so I'll need to check out plymouth this evening > but the responsiveness of the display is improved and I don't get > duplicate mouse pointers now. The performance seems reduced compared > to F-11 though :-( > >>> Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to >>> have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and >>> off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also >>> disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has >>> sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging >>> this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bug_info_kernel_sound >> >>> The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the >>> gnome panels is massive! >> >> This is currently being 'enthusiastically' discussed on >> fedora-desktop-list. :) > > Thanks for the pointer. I noticed its also been tweaked in todays rawhide. > > I've also noticed of late that yum performance has gone through the floor too. I never finished that. Its currently necking one core of a 2.5 ghz penryn and using nearly a gig of RAM. It literally now takes hours to update my Fit-PC (500mhz geode with 256Mb RAM). Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 13:31 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: > >>> As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt > >>> reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade > >>> experience and issues for F-12. > >>> > >>> Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. > >>> The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected > >>> works fine. > >>> > >>> I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that > >>> it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel > >>> boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM > >>> comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. > >> > >> Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. > >> What happens then? > > > > It has certainly improved it. I wasn't in front of the machine as it > > booted this morning so I'll need to check out plymouth this evening > > but the responsiveness of the display is improved and I don't get > > duplicate mouse pointers now. The performance seems reduced compared > > to F-11 though :-( > > > >>> Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to > >>> have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and > >>> off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also > >>> disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has > >>> sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging > >>> this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. > >> > >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bug_info_kernel_sound > >> > >>> The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the > >>> gnome panels is massive! > >> > >> This is currently being 'enthusiastically' discussed on > >> fedora-desktop-list. :) > > > > Thanks for the pointer. I noticed its also been tweaked in todays rawhide. > > > > I've also noticed of late that yum performance has gone through the floor > > too. > > I never finished that. Its currently necking one core of a 2.5 ghz > penryn and using nearly a gig of RAM. It literally now takes hours to > update my Fit-PC (500mhz geode with 256Mb RAM). Geode GX2/500 has basically zero cache (either L1 or L2), and 256MB is really the bare minimum for the install/upgrade process. You'll be swapping to disk a lot during the upgrade while the depsolving goes on, and yeah, it'll take quite a while. Dan -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:47 PM, Dan Williams wrote: > On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 13:31 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Peter Robinson wrote: >> >>> As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt >> >>> reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade >> >>> experience and issues for F-12. >> >>> >> >>> Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. >> >>> The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected >> >>> works fine. >> >>> >> >>> I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that >> >>> it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel >> >>> boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM >> >>> comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. >> >> >> >> Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. >> >> What happens then? >> > >> > It has certainly improved it. I wasn't in front of the machine as it >> > booted this morning so I'll need to check out plymouth this evening >> > but the responsiveness of the display is improved and I don't get >> > duplicate mouse pointers now. The performance seems reduced compared >> > to F-11 though :-( >> > >> >>> Probably the most annoying is the breakage of sound. This seems to >> >>> have every other kernel/alsa/pulseaudio update and was an issue on and >> >>> off right through F-11 as well so its not exactly surprising but also >> >>> disappointing that one of the most common devices running Fedora has >> >>> sound broken on a semi regular basis. Again some pointers in debugging >> >>> this so it can be fixed by F-12 final would be great. >> >> >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bug_info_kernel_sound >> >> >> >>> The only other very minor issue I see is that the icon spacing on the >> >>> gnome panels is massive! >> >> >> >> This is currently being 'enthusiastically' discussed on >> >> fedora-desktop-list. :) >> > >> > Thanks for the pointer. I noticed its also been tweaked in todays rawhide. >> > >> > I've also noticed of late that yum performance has gone through the floor >> > too. >> >> I never finished that. Its currently necking one core of a 2.5 ghz >> penryn and using nearly a gig of RAM. It literally now takes hours to >> update my Fit-PC (500mhz geode with 256Mb RAM). > > Geode GX2/500 has basically zero cache (either L1 or L2), and 256MB is > really the bare minimum for the install/upgrade process. You'll be > swapping to disk a lot during the upgrade while the depsolving goes on, > and yeah, it'll take quite a while. Yea, but my Dell with a Centrino penryn processor with 6 meg of cache and 4 gig of RAM was horrific and earlier in F-12 it wasn't that bad even on the Geode. I couldn't use my Dell for over 20 mins while doing a single days worth of the current rawhide pushes. Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Tue, 2009-10-20 at 11:17 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> As the Dell Latitude D630 is one of the more common devices that smolt >> reports being used by Fedora I thought I'd mention my upgrade >> experience and issues for F-12. >> >> Probably the two usual things that people query are grahics and wifi. >> The model I have has the Intel IWL-4965AGN device which as expected >> works fine. >> >> I'm having a few issues with the nouveau driver with plymouth in that >> it doesn't work at all but if I remove all the options from the kernel >> boot line it gets to X and apart from some initial corruption as GDM >> comes up its OK from there. I have no idea how to debug this. > > Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. > What happens then? It all works just fine with modesetting off. Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F-12 upgrade experience with Dell D630
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 13:28 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote: > > Try adding the parameter 'nomodeset' instead of removing any parameters. > > What happens then? > > It has certainly improved it. I wasn't in front of the machine as it > booted this morning so I'll need to check out plymouth this evening > but the responsiveness of the display is improved and I don't get > duplicate mouse pointers now. The performance seems reduced compared > to F-11 though :-( In that case, could you file a bug, with appropriate information attached - see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems - on the xorg-x11-drv-nouveau component, describing the symptoms, how 'nomodeset' changes them, and including the output of 'lspci -nn' to identify your card? Thanks! -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
