Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 08:40 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a > shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA. With No Frozen Rawhide approved, the scheduling will look a tad bit different. Please review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_Frozen_Rawhide_Proposal and consider how that effects time between development start, feature freeze, and GA. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- Freedom² is a feature! identi.ca: http://identi.ca/jkeating signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 08:40:04 +0100, Mark McLoughlin wrote: > > Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a > shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA. Isn't development for the N+2 release supposed to start at the branch point and not GA of N+1? I think that is likely to happen at alpha (formerly known as beta) this time around. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Sun, 2009-07-26 at 20:59 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > Mark McLoughlin said the following on 07/24/2009 05:55 AM Pacific Time: > > On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > > > >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > >> http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics > > > > In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And > > then GA slipped by two weeks. > > In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA. > > For Fedora 12 An extra week was added to accommodate Linux plumbers > conference, etc...https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1271 > > In addition there are four weeks in the Fedora 12 schedule for Alpha > (previously known as Beta) versus the three weeks in Fedora 11--this was > an oversight in the setting of the Fedora 11 schedule which did not > allow for three weekly snapshots. Okay, the extra two weeks are to allow for (rel-eng?) people being missing during plumbers and to allow for a third snapshot between alpha and beta. That makes sense on the face of it, but the end result for developers is a release cycle split into a 49 day development period followed by a 99 day stablization period. That's quite conservative for a bleeding edge distro. Constructive suggestion for the next cycle - we should go back to a shorter gap between Feature Freeze and GA. Cheers, Mark. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
Mark McLoughlin said the following on 07/24/2009 05:55 AM Pacific Time: Hi John, (Cc-ing fedora-devel-list, surprised to see the schedule hasn't been posted there) It was approved by FESCo in May https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/143 and should have appeared on fedora-devel as part of the meeting recap. The schedules below are detailed schedules for a specific team. There were no changes to the major milestones originally approved: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/12/Schedule On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And then GA slipped by two weeks. In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA. For Fedora 12 An extra week was added to accommodate Linux plumbers conference, etc...https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/1271 In addition there are four weeks in the Fedora 12 schedule for Alpha (previously known as Beta) versus the three weeks in Fedora 11--this was an oversight in the setting of the Fedora 11 schedule which did not allow for three weekly snapshots. This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter releases cycle. This is one of the reasons it was discussed almost a month or more before the GA of Fedora 11. > Why is that? To get back on the regular "Halloween/May Day" release schedule. The original alpha (as we used to know it) was dropped by Releng in an effort to add more development time back... this was discussed on fedora-devel. John -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 10:13 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote: > Mark McLoughlin (mar...@redhat.com) said: > > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics > > > > In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And > > then GA slipped by two weeks. > > > > In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA. > > > > This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter > > releases cycle. > > > > Why is that? > > At least one week of this (that I recall) is to have the feature freeze > be a week before the 'code freeze' for the milestone; the idea is that > to avoid the 'all features land at once, and we have to spend a week > cleaning them up' problem. Had that last time too: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/11/Schedule 2009-03-03 Feature Freeze 2009-03-10 Beta Freeze Cheers, Mark. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
Mark McLoughlin (mar...@redhat.com) said: > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics > > In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And > then GA slipped by two weeks. > > In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA. > > This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter > releases cycle. > > Why is that? At least one week of this (that I recall) is to have the feature freeze be a week before the 'code freeze' for the milestone; the idea is that to avoid the 'all features land at once, and we have to spend a week cleaning them up' problem. Bill -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Updated Fedora 12 Schedule (take 2)
Hi John, (Cc-ing fedora-devel-list, surprised to see the schedule hasn't been posted there) On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 21:09 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng-tasks.html > http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-releng.ics In the F-11 schedule, we had 85 days between Feature Freeze and GA. And then GA slipped by two weeks. In the F-12 schedule, we now have 99 days between Feature Freeze and GA. This seriously cuts into development time, and we already have a shorter releases cycle. Why is that? Thanks, Mark. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
