bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-28 Thread Jens Petersen
We have been looking at updating bitmap-fonts recently,
and noticed that it is still listed mandatory in the comps
@base-x group.

So I just wondered a couple of naive questions:

- does bitmap-fonts have to be installed by default?
- what actually needs it?

Jens

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Re: bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-29 Thread Jerry James
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Jens Petersen  wrote:
> We have been looking at updating bitmap-fonts recently,
> and noticed that it is still listed mandatory in the comps
> @base-x group.
>
> So I just wondered a couple of naive questions:
>
> - does bitmap-fonts have to be installed by default?
> - what actually needs it?
>
> Jens

XEmacs needs it.  We have an explicit reference to a LucidaTypewriter font.

We started to transition to fontconfig 2004-ish.  Unfortunately, the
developers who started that effort have since mostly disappeared.  If
there are any competent fontconfig developers who could give us a hand
completing the transition, please stop by xemacs-b...@xemacs.org and
say hello.  I will personally send a box of home-made oatmeal raisin
cookies [1] to anyone who can help us finish the job.

Footnotes:
[1] I can make no guarantees about the state of crumbliness on
arrival, of course.
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Re: bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-29 Thread Jens Petersen
> XEmacs needs it.  We have an explicit reference to a LucidaTypewriter
> font.

Sure: and xorg-x11-fonts also provides LT.

I am not asking if we should drop bitmap-fonts
(though it needs to be split up and repackaged)...
the question was why are we installing it by default
and when can we stop? :)

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Re: bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-30 Thread Nicolas Mailhot


Le Mer 30 septembre 2009 16:35, Qianqian Fang a écrit :
>
> Jens Petersen wrote:
>> We have been looking at updating bitmap-fonts recently,
>> and noticed that it is still listed mandatory in the comps
>> @base-x group.
>>
>> So I just wondered a couple of naive questions:
>>
>> - does bitmap-fonts have to be installed by default?
>> - what actually needs it?
>>
>
> anything before X may still need bitmap fonts, don't they?

The problem is, we have a lot of stuff installed by default in base-x because
something "may" use it (even though no one actually checked that was still the
case).

IMHO default packages in default groups should have a clear user, or be
downgraded to optional.

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Re: bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-30 Thread Jens Petersen
> IMHO default packages in default groups should have a clear user, or
> be downgraded to optional.

Right I suggest we make it optional in comps-f13 and see if anything "breaks".

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Re: bitmap-fonts by default?

2009-09-30 Thread प्रविण सातपुते
2009/10/1 Jens Petersen 

> > IMHO default packages in default groups should have a clear user, or
> > be downgraded to optional.
>
> Right I suggest we make it optional in comps-f13 and see if anything
> "breaks".
>

Yep, this looks nice
In merge review of bitmap-fonts, we are splitting it as per font family
we will get sufficient time to come at conclusion, which to keep default and
which optional

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