[Bug 443008] ugly ligatures

2008-04-18 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: ugly ligatures


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443008





--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-18 07:36 EST ---
Then that's a freetype not pango bug IMHO. Please report it upstream.

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[Bug 246654] Some fonts not rendering

2008-04-18 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: Some fonts not rendering


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=246654


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-18 10:08 EST ---
Ah, so by doesn't show up the reporter means hexboxes are drawn.  Easy one. 
Install a proper font.  xterm works because you have a bitmap X font installed
that covers those chars.  Anything using client-side fonts doesn't work.

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[Bug 443008] ugly ligatures

2008-04-18 Thread bugzilla
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Summary: ugly ligatures


https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=443008


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--- Additional Comments From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-18 12:58 EST ---
yeah, it's autohinter issue with freetype.

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Re: pruning the fonts list

2008-04-18 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
 can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
 full list, AFAICT. The number to the left is the size of the package.
 I think a good chunk of this could be pruned.

Yes a lot of space in general ends up being used by fonts.  I'd lean
towards saying we should make things optional in comps rather than
making explicit changes to the livecd, though from a maintenance point
of view.  Although I guess if we wanted to do it first on the livecd for
F9 and then in general for F10 via comps, that'd be okay

Jeremy

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Re: pruning the fonts list

2008-04-18 Thread Jeremy Katz
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 16:04 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
 Jeremy Katz ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: 
  On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
   When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
   can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
   full list, AFAICT. The number to the left is the size of the package.
   I think a good chunk of this could be pruned.
  
  Yes a lot of space in general ends up being used by fonts.  I'd lean
  towards saying we should make things optional in comps rather than
  making explicit changes to the livecd, though from a maintenance point
  of view.  Although I guess if we wanted to do it first on the livecd for
  F9 and then in general for F10 via comps, that'd be okay
 
 Well, things like 'these fonts are only useful outside of fontconfig',
 or 'only really used for various terminal emulators' are decisions
 probably best left to the spin, not to the generic comps.

If the apps not using fontconfig aren't marked as defaults, then it's
probably not unreasonable.  At least the bitmap fonts, we should
probably finally take the plunge with

Jeremy

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Re: pruning the fonts list

2008-04-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le vendredi 18 avril 2008 à 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
 When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
 can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
 full list, AFAICT. The number to the left is the size of the package.
 I think a good chunk of this could be pruned.

My advice would be:

1. drop every core fonts package except one to keep legacy users happy
(probably xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-15-100dpi)

2. drop xorg-x11-fonts-Type1. Nothing in there not provided by more
modern font packages

3. fonts-japanese is probably not 100% necessary when VLGothic is
available

4. drop culmus — DejaVu full includes Hebrew no one complained of during
the F9 cycle, so no need to keep a separate Hebrew font on a
space-constrained media

5. Have the Arabic l10n group choose between kacst and paktype

6. Have the Indic l10n group sort the huge number of indic fonts,
keeping only one package per script (sarai, lohit, smc, samyak)

7. Have the Chinese l10n group choose between cjkunifonts-uming and
cjkunifonts-ukai

8. add dejavu-fonts-experimental — you *really* want the distro default
fonts to have a complete face set, a lot of users will notice and
complain otherwise

I'm afraid most wins are in 3. 5. 6.  7., and they depend on l10n
groups telling us their wishes, which unfortunately has not happened a
lot so far. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/L10N
remains terribly incomplete.

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Re: pruning the fonts list

2008-04-18 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:13 +0200, Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
 Le vendredi 18 avril 2008 à 15:57 -0400, Bill Nottingham a écrit :
  When looking over the LiveCD manifest, and where space is going, I
  can't help but notice that a lot of it goes to fonts. Here's the
  full list, AFAICT. The number to the left is the size of the package.
  I think a good chunk of this could be pruned.
 
 My advice would be:

I pretty much second everything Nicolas said.

behdad

 1. drop every core fonts package except one to keep legacy users happy
 (probably xorg-x11-fonts-ISO8859-15-100dpi)
 
 2. drop xorg-x11-fonts-Type1. Nothing in there not provided by more
 modern font packages
 
 3. fonts-japanese is probably not 100% necessary when VLGothic is
 available
 
 4. drop culmus — DejaVu full includes Hebrew no one complained of during
 the F9 cycle, so no need to keep a separate Hebrew font on a
 space-constrained media
 
 5. Have the Arabic l10n group choose between kacst and paktype
 
 6. Have the Indic l10n group sort the huge number of indic fonts,
 keeping only one package per script (sarai, lohit, smc, samyak)
 
 7. Have the Chinese l10n group choose between cjkunifonts-uming and
 cjkunifonts-ukai
 
 8. add dejavu-fonts-experimental — you *really* want the distro default
 fonts to have a complete face set, a lot of users will notice and
 complain otherwise
 
 I'm afraid most wins are in 3. 5. 6.  7., and they depend on l10n
 groups telling us their wishes, which unfortunately has not happened a
 lot so far. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Fonts/Triaging/L10N
 remains terribly incomplete.
 
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Re: pruning the fonts list

2008-04-18 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
Le samedi 19 avril 2008 à 02:59 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit :
 Nicolas Mailhot wrote:
 
  6. Have the Indic l10n group sort the huge number of indic fonts,
  keeping only one package per script (sarai, lohit, smc, samyak)
 
 Lohit is what we prefer by default for Indic. Everything else can be 
 deemed optional.

Since they're all broken up by scripts now you probably want to be more
specific, unless lohit provides every needed indic script and none of
the others is necessary for coverage.

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