[15:06] mmcgrath has set the subject to Fedora Infrastructue -- Who's here
[15:07] mmcgrath: f13: paulobanon abadger1999 mbonnet quaid warren lmacken
ricky xDamox skvidal: ping
[15:07] mmcgrath: who's here?
[15:07] skvidal: pong
[15:07] xDamox: pong
[15:07] mbonnet: mmcgrath: yo
[15:07] abadger1999: pong
[15:07] ricky: pong
[15:07] paulobanon: ping
[15:07] rayvd: here
[15:07] paulobanon:
[15:08] mmcgrath: Lets get started.
[15:08] mmcgrath has set the subject to Fedora Infrastructure -- New schedule -
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule
[15:08] mdomsch has joined the group chat ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
[15:08] mmcgrath: So, I moved a bunch of stuff off of the schedule
[15:08] mmcgrath: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule
[15:09] mmcgrath: Seems like a lot of what we talk about in the meetings is
duplicate and a lot of the work is getting done by the relevent parties anyway.
[15:09] mmcgrath: As I mentioned on the list, if you want to talk about a
specific ticket, just put "meeting" in the keywords.
[15:10] mmcgrath: Does this sound good or bad to the rest of you?
[15:10] * warren here
[15:10] paulobanon: +1
[15:10] xDamox: Sounds good to me
[15:11] warren: +1
[15:11] abadger1999: Sounds great
[15:11] mmcgrath: K, so I've got a few more items to add to that but just
because its bigger issue stuff, don't think you shouldn't add to it.
[15:11] mmcgrath: So for now I'll move on.
[15:11] mmcgrath has set the subject to VCS Choice -- all (jcollie)
[15:11] mmcgrath: jcollie: ping
[15:12] jcollie: yo
[15:12] jcollie: oops we have a meeting don't we
[15:12] mmcgrath:
[15:12] mmcgrath: jcollie: how's publictest1 been treating you with the whole
git thing?
[15:12] jcollie: pretty good... nice to have a fast network connection to the
cvs servers
[15:13] mmcgrath: jcollie: can you give us an idea of what work you've done and
what work you'd like to do?
[15:13] jcollie: however, i'm not sure how much further i want to got with code
while the choice of vcs is undecided
[15:13] dgilmore: mmcgrath: /me is here
[15:14] * mmcgrath waves at dgilmore, new board member extraordinaire.
[15:14] jcollie: i think we've all shown that git or hg or svn is capable of
doing "something better" than cvs
[15:14] dgilmore: mmcgrath: im just regular joe infrastructure guy
[15:14] mmcgrath: jcollie: well, thats good at least
[15:14] jcollie: personally i think it's time to pick one and roll with it
[15:14] mmcgrath: So the infrastructure team is going to have to push to have
this done.
[15:14] mmcgrath: jcollie: do we know what is wanted in the next gen vcs yet?
[15:15] jcollie: i personannly pefer git but i'll work with whatever
[15:15] paulobanon: so start the (final) discussion on the list and decide in a
few weeks max ?!
[15:15] mmcgrath: jcollie: would you mind contacting the sig and seeing about
setting up an actual meeting for us?
[15:15] abadger1999: jcollie: We need that list of things we want. Proof of
concept before absolute requirements is backwards.
[15:15] dgilmore: abadger1999: indeed
[15:15] jcollie: i think that the problem is that no one agrees and tends to
favor whatever their favorte
[15:16] dgilmore: proof of concept should show what we want
[15:16] abadger1999: Well, I think the last discussion had some good ideas.
[15:16] abadger1999: But it also had objections.
[15:16] mbonnet: I think someone needs to design a package
development/build/release lifecycle that uses the features of the new VCS, and
is not doable with current CVS infrastructure.
[15:16] mmcgrath: does this need to be updated -
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/
[15:16] mbonnet: if we can't show what the clear win of the new VCS is, there's
not much point
[15:16] jcollie: i think that page it taking the wrong tack
[15:16] abadger1999: The question is can we meet all of those objections while
getting the new features we want.
[15:16] jcollie: to decide pro/con you have to know what you want
[15:17] mmcgrath: jcollie: I tend to agree, looking at that page its clear it
was designed in reverse.
[15:17] abadger1999: The requirements section of that page is okay. the rest
is not so useful.
[15:17] paulobanon: so are the those requirements all thats needed ?
[15:17] abadger1999: paulobanon: No.
[15:18] jcollie: yeah we should edit out all the vcs comparisions
[15:18] paulobanon: cant we do a proof of concept based on that at least ?
[15:18] abadger1999: paulobanon: We have several proof of concepts based on
that but then we started talking about exploded trees.
[15:18] abadger1999: And that changes things considerably.
[15:18] mmcgrath:
[15:18] paulobanon: hmmm
[15:18] mmcgrath: the issue here is the struggle between whats optimal and
whats practical.
[15:18] jcollie: well, all that stuff is basic vcs stuff that can be done by
anything
[15:19] mmcgrath: its hard to get people to talk about it without producing
something for them to pick at. And its wrong to just make
