Re: fedorahosted.org is ready for testing
And is this the preparation to officially announce hosted ? :) Paulo On Dec 12, 2007 11:19 AM, Florian La Roche [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm also working on putting a little website together with content about what it is, how to ask for it and move that content off of the wiki. Hello Mike, new site looks really great. How much of it is using selinux to further tighten it up? I think we should add that to as many as possible Fedora infrastructure setups as possible. (Probably as a F9+ target.) regards, Florian La Roche ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: fedorahosted.org is ready for testing
I'm also working on putting a little website together with content about what it is, how to ask for it and move that content off of the wiki. Hello Mike, new site looks really great. How much of it is using selinux to further tighten it up? I think we should add that to as many as possible Fedora infrastructure setups as possible. (Probably as a F9+ target.) regards, Florian La Roche ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Jigdo - A Professional Letter to Mike McGrath
Jonathan Steffan wrote: * Any Spin: Not all mirrors chose to carry the ISO images. A next-hop or local mirror might not be available with the ISO images for direct download. This very close mirror will be able to be used to put together the ISO image and with our awesome new MirrorManager the acquisition of this data source will be automatic. * Bandwidth Optimization/Utilization: We are able to utilize mirrors around the globe without requiring mirror admins to think twice about hosting Jigdo data, they already are hosting most of the data needed to put the image back together and have to install no additional software (as in the case of running a torrent seed.) I will speak as a mirror admin (ftp.free.fr/ftp.proxad.net). As far as I am concerned, bandwidth is not a real issue but disk IOs are. Disk capacity is growing exponentially, sequential access bandwidth grows linearly but disk seeks decrease at a very slow pace (SSD are coming but they do not match yet the needed capacity). Thus, improving server performances means either adding more disks or optimizing disks access (ie reading more data per each disk seeks). The biggest mirrors I manage are stored on a two-disks RAID1 volume (to avoid stripping which induce disks seeks) and IO are optimized by doing 1 MB chunk readahead (using posix_fadvise). If I need additionnal bandwidth, I may increase the readahead chunk size. But this is usable only if the file I read is big enough (and if the fragmentation is kept low). As long as jigdo use is uncommon, I just don't mind but if it had to be commonly used, it would mean a very sensible decrease in performances. François ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: fedorahosted.org is ready for testing
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 11:23:17 +0100 Paulo Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And is this the preparation to officially announce hosted ? :) I'm still not quite happy to announce hosted as moving out of beta. This is certainly a step forward. I'd still like to get hosted consumers the ability to theme their hosted environment, as well as some raw webspace, before we call it production. -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: fedorahosted.org is ready for testing
Florian La Roche wrote: I'm also working on putting a little website together with content about what it is, how to ask for it and move that content off of the wiki. Hello Mike, new site looks really great. How much of it is using selinux to further tighten it up? I think we should add that to as many as possible Fedora infrastructure setups as possible. (Probably as a F9+ target.) We've had luke working on this a little, I still have yet to see a solid proposal on how to config manage puppet modules and deploy them on a larger scale. All of the selinux tools I've seen work at the machine level. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: fedorahosted.org is ready for testing
Mike McGrath wrote: Florian La Roche wrote: I'm also working on putting a little website together with content about what it is, how to ask for it and move that content off of the wiki. Hello Mike, new site looks really great. How much of it is using selinux to further tighten it up? I think we should add that to as many as possible Fedora infrastructure setups as possible. (Probably as a F9+ target.) We've had luke working on this a little, I still have yet to see a solid proposal on how to config manage puppet modules and deploy them on a larger scale. All of the selinux tools I've seen work at the machine level. Sorry, this should s/puppet modules/selinux policies/ -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Welcome new Mirror Wranglers!
Hello Matt, My FAS username is damian and my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 15:02 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you each for volunteering to help with managing Fedora's list of mirror servers. You have all been added to the email alias '[EMAIL PROTECTED]', which is how you are getting this email. First, please send me your Fedora Account System username, as presumably the email address stored in the FAS for you is where you want these mails to go. Second, I recommend you subscribe to the relatively low volume fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com , which is where all the interesting Infrastructure discussion happens. (http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list). This includes outage notices, freeze changes, and the like. Third, we are always happy to have more mirrors, provided they have sufficient capacity to really be of benefit. In the US and Europe, we don't really need more mirrors. Rest of the world, we definitely do. Requests will come to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] address, and will need a response. Be sure to reply to all. I'll append my template. Be sure to copy [EMAIL PROTECTED] and mirror-admin on your reply, so everyone sees it, and so the rsync ACL on the master download servers will get updated. Rule of thumb: new mirrors with = 1Gbit pipes, or in countries not already well-served (such as India, China, or anything in South America or South Africa) should be approved. Mirrors on DSL/Cable modem lines in the US or Europe, thanks, but no. Private mirrors should be directed to pull from a listed public mirror. When approved, you should then approve their subscriptions to mirror-list and mirror-list-d. There's a password required to moderate that list. Not sure how best to handle that aspect... Fourth, the MirrorManager code itself. https://fedorahosted.org/mirrormanager/wiki/WikiStart has instructions, and a list of items known needing love is at https://fedorahosted.org/mirrormanager/wiki/HelpWanted. I cut my python teeth writing this code, and it's had a few reviews, but there are probably ways to make it better. The TG controller pieces are really pretty hokey - nothing as nice as the bodhi code is. If you've got other ideas, by all means, please let us know. Thanks, Matt -- Matt Domsch Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux Public Mirror Acceptance Template We would be pleased to have you as a public mirror. Thank you for your contribution to Fedora! Please see http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring for guidance, and register your mirror in Mirrormanager at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mirrormanager. By doing so, you will appear on the mirror list for Fedora 7 and future automatically. Most mirrors should rsync from one of the Tier 1 mirrors listed at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring or from another mirror close network-wise listed on http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/. Thanks again, Matt Fedora Mirror Wrangler ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list -- Regards, Damian Myerscough ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Request for monotone
we've had a request to support monotone on hosted. Instead of having this conversation in private I thought it best to put it on the list. So thoughts? This is part do we want to support monotone and part do we want hosted to be more then svn, hg, git, bzr. In general I'm happy supporting only those 4, we can't be everything for everyone and AFAIK we're the only OSS project with a hosted offering that supports 4 SCM's. Thoughts? -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
On Dec 12, 2007 10:33 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we've had a request to support monotone on hosted. Instead of having this conversation in private I thought it best to put it on the list. So thoughts? This is part do we want to support monotone and part do we want hosted to be more then svn, hg, git, bzr. In general I'm happy supporting only those 4, we can't be everything for everyone and AFAIK we're the only OSS project with a hosted offering that supports 4 SCM's. Thoughts? +0 ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
On Dec 12, 2007 8:50 PM, Jeffrey Ollie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/12/07, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: we've had a request to support monotone on hosted. Instead of having this conversation in private I thought it best to put it on the list. So thoughts? This is part do we want to support monotone and part do we want hosted to be more then svn, hg, git, bzr. In general I'm happy supporting only those 4, we can't be everything for everyone and AFAIK we're the only OSS project with a hosted offering that supports 4 SCM's. I think that if: 1) The SCM is in RHEL/EPEL. 2) There are real projects that want to use it (and that we feel like will stick around). 3) Implementation is fairly straightforward 4) Someone on the hosted admin team is willing/able to install/support it. We should. Supporting more than just SVN and CVS is one way we can distinguish Fedora Hosted from other project hosting. I would also say that the people wanting XYZ SCM need to volunteer to help 'us' on it. As in hosted-help-monotone questions go to someone who can answer them versus someone else who can't. If they can provide that help and training.. that is a +, if they can't it is a definate -. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- CSIRT/Linux System Administrator How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. The Merchant of Venice ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:56:04 -0500 seth vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvs AFAIK we don't actually offer CVS for hosted projects. Trac doesn't support it, and our first rule should be Do No Harm (: -- Jesse Keating Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours? signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
On Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM, Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:56:04 -0500 seth vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvs AFAIK we don't actually offer CVS for hosted projects. Trac doesn't support it, and our first rule should be Do No Harm (: I thought the first rule was Be Evil and then Do More Harm. I mean we should be supporting RCS (it works great over SSH) and SCCS. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- CSIRT/Linux System Administrator How far that little candle throws his beams! So shines a good deed in a naughty world. = Shakespeare. The Merchant of Venice ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM, Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:56:04 -0500 seth vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvs AFAIK we don't actually offer CVS for hosted projects. Trac doesn't support it, and our first rule should be Do No Harm (: I thought the first rule was Be Evil and then Do More Harm. I mean we should be supporting RCS (it works great over SSH) and SCCS. I have to admit I am worried about slippery slope. I'd hate to support a VCS that only has 2 or 3 repos on it. Especially if its not one we have in-house expertise with. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Request for monotone
On Dec 12, 2007 11:24 PM, Mike McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen John Smoogen wrote: On Dec 12, 2007 9:22 PM, Jesse Keating [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:56:04 -0500 seth vidal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cvs AFAIK we don't actually offer CVS for hosted projects. Trac doesn't support it, and our first rule should be Do No Harm (: I thought the first rule was Be Evil and then Do More Harm. I mean we should be supporting RCS (it works great over SSH) and SCCS. I have to admit I am worried about slippery slope. I'd hate to support a VCS that only has 2 or 3 repos on it. Especially if its not one we have in-house expertise with. -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list I tend to think if you can't use one of the vc systems already provided, you need specialty hosting and with that, probably a lot of care and feeding. We are already offering the most common SCMs in use (except CVS ^^ see above). Always saying 'yes' and allowing new things to pop up is not maintainable in the long term. I am actually surprised we offer as many SCMs as we do. stahnma ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
