Re: Outage Notification - 2009-01-03 04:16 UTC

2009-01-03 Thread Mike McGrath
On Fri, 2 Jan 2009, Mike McGrath wrote:

 There is a current unscheduled outage starting at 2009-01-03 UTC, which
 will last for an unknown amount of time.


Should be over now, tech replaced mobo and we're back in business.  Happy
new year all!

-Mike

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calling out for a sponsor

2009-01-03 Thread Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
Hello list,

im shouting out for a sponsor, is someone willing to sponsor me?

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen, / with kind regards,
Sascha Thomas Spreitzer
http://spreitzer.name/

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Re: calling out for a sponsor

2009-01-03 Thread Ricky Zhou
On 2009-01-03 10:29:18 PM, Sascha Thomas Spreitzer wrote:
 im shouting out for a sponsor, is someone willing to sponsor me?
Hey, what type of things are you interested in working on (as in, what
groups are you looking for sponsors for)?  

Thanks,
Ricky


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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Matt Domsch
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 02:42:27PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
 Lets pool some knowledge together because at this point, I'm missing
 something.
 
 I've been doing all measurements with sar as bonnie, etc, causes builds to
 timeout.
 
 Problem: We're seeing slower then normal disk IO.  At least I think we
 are.  This is a PERC5/E and MD1000 array.
 
 When I try to do a normal copy cp -adv /mnt/koji/packages /tmp/ I get
 around 4-6MBytes/s

That's sucky.
 
 When I do a cp of a large file cp /mnt/koji/out /tmp/ I get
 30-40MBytes/s.
 
 If I cat /dev/sde  /dev/null I get between 225-300MBytes/s read.

That's about what I would expect for straight block reads.

 The above tests are pretty consistent.  /dev/sde is a raid5 array,
 hardware raid.

Remember, RAID 5's worst performance is for writes.  In your 14-drive
array, it has to calculate parity across all the drives, then write
the data across all the drives.  As long as it's pure writes (e.g. not
read/modify/write) it's not so bad, but still slower than you might
think.

What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
journal would really make a difference too.

RAID controllers also tend to benefit from using the noop scheduler,
which effectively defers the scheduling to the RAID controller.

Note that cp doesn't fdatasync(), so the I/Os will be scheduled, but
not necessarily completed, when cp returns.  Which might make your
numbers even more optimistic than they really are. :-(

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Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Kostas Georgiou
On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 06:32:38PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:

 What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
 If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
 then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
 journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
 journal would really make a difference too.

For an NFS server (assuming that you aren't exporting as async)
data=journal can give you better performance than anything else
actually. The NFS howto has a brief note in the performance section
about this.

Kostas

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Re: Disk IO issues

2009-01-03 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 03:02:55AM +, Kostas Georgiou wrote:
 On Sat, Jan 03, 2009 at 06:32:38PM -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
 
  What ext3 journaling options are enabled (e.g. what does 'mount' say)?
  If it's data=ordered (the default), that's OK.  If it's data=journal,
  then all the data gets written twice (first to the journal, then the
  journal to the disk), which is really really slow, and the size of the
  journal would really make a difference too.
 
 For an NFS server (assuming that you aren't exporting as async)
 data=journal can give you better performance than anything else
 actually. The NFS howto has a brief note in the performance section
 about this.

Yes, if the slowness is seen by applications on the client side of the
NFS server, data=journal on the NFS server can help.

Mike, your tests were all on the local file system, not across an NFS
connection, right?

data=journal can only buffer up to the size of the journal.  Given the
comments about speed with large files, unless the journal is
specifically tuned to be large enough to handle them, no dice.


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Linux Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com  www.dell.com/linux

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