Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-05 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:45:08 -0400
Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote:

 Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: 
  I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at
  this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and
  let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if
  there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any
  edits you deem necessary.
  
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration
 
 My concern is more procedural than infrastructural - I'd like to make
 sure we schedule the mass migration in such a way that it does not
 heavily disrupt development schedules; generally, this would mean
 doing it sometime after a release but before the alpha of the next
 release.

Are we doing a mass migration? Or just migrating lists some at a time
as time permits? I can see advantages/disadvantages to both ways, just
wondering which we are planning. 

 
 Bill
 

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-05 Thread Jon Stanley
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kevin Fenzike...@tummy.com wrote:

 Are we doing a mass migration? Or just migrating lists some at a time
 as time permits? I can see advantages/disadvantages to both ways, just
 wondering which we are planning.

I was planning on starting small, and adding from there.  There's less
risk that way.

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-03 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/03/2009 05:22 AM, Jon Stanley wrote:
 On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Rahul Sundaram
 
 Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating?
 
 Yes, note the section in the document about renaming lists.  I wasn't
 very verbose in there about why you'd want to do that, maybe I was in
 an earlier draft :). But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never
 appear in the list name - it's obvious that it's a list from the
 domain name (lists.fp.o), as well as it has to do with Fedora (neither
 of these were true of the lists @redhat.com).
 
 The two examples that you cited above would be renamed perl-devel and
 java-devel, at least that's what makes sense to me.

In that case a final list of what lists are going to be migration and
what they would be called, long before you initiate the migration would
be very helpful.  Post to fedora advisory board or eek fedora-devel
list /eek to make sure others have a opportunity to chime on it.

Rahul

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-03 Thread Bill Nottingham
Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: 
 I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this
 procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me
 know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some
 way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem
 necessary.
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration

My concern is more procedural than infrastructural - I'd like to make
sure we schedule the mass migration in such a way that it does not
heavily disrupt development schedules; generally, this would mean doing
it sometime after a release but before the alpha of the next release.

Bill

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-02 Thread Jon Stanley
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Rahul
Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating?

Yes, note the section in the document about renaming lists.  I wasn't
very verbose in there about why you'd want to do that, maybe I was in
an earlier draft :). But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never
appear in the list name - it's obvious that it's a list from the
domain name (lists.fp.o), as well as it has to do with Fedora (neither
of these were true of the lists @redhat.com).

The two examples that you cited above would be renamed perl-devel and
java-devel, at least that's what makes sense to me.

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-02 Thread Sandro red Mathys
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com wrote:

 But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never
 appear in the list name


so, fedora-list@ will become -@ or n...@? ;)
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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-02 Thread Jon Stanley
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Sandro red
Mathysr...@fedoraproject.org wrote:

 so, fedora-list@ will become -@ or n...@? ;)

Obviously not :).  I was thinking of like users@ :)

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-01 Thread Matt Domsch
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:01:32AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote:
 I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this
 procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me
 know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some
 way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem
 necessary.
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration

I added a couple notes about _not_ regenerating the archives, and
handling the forwards from Red Hat.

-- 
Matt Domsch
Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO
linux.dell.com  www.dell.com/linux

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-01 Thread Jon Stanley
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Matt Domschmatt_dom...@dell.com wrote:

 I added a couple notes about _not_ regenerating the archives, and
 handling the forwards from Red Hat.

Good catch.  I assumed that RHT would be willing to continue hosting
the archives for the old lists for an indefinite period, and that any
new links that folks make would obviously point to the new archives.
If we just take the HTML from Red Hat without regenerating it so that
the old filenames work, then I fear that some of the links in the HTML
might not work (particularly to attachments, if there were any)

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Re: Mailing list migration procedures

2009-08-01 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/01/2009 10:31 AM, Jon Stanley wrote:
 I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this
 procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me
 know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some
 way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem
 necessary.
 
 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration

Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating?
Some of the lists are misnamed and inconsistent. fedora-devel-java-list
vs fedora-perl-devel-list. Some of them have -list in their names and
others do not. Might want to discuss which ones are worth carrying over
vs leaving behind (fedora-xen list for ex has been superseded by
fedora-virt list)

Rahul

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Mailing list migration procedures

2009-07-31 Thread Jon Stanley
I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this
procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me
know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some
way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem
necessary.

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration

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