Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Mon, 3 Aug 2009 11:45:08 -0400 Bill Nottingham nott...@redhat.com wrote: Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem necessary. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration My concern is more procedural than infrastructural - I'd like to make sure we schedule the mass migration in such a way that it does not heavily disrupt development schedules; generally, this would mean doing it sometime after a release but before the alpha of the next release. Are we doing a mass migration? Or just migrating lists some at a time as time permits? I can see advantages/disadvantages to both ways, just wondering which we are planning. Bill kevin signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Kevin Fenzike...@tummy.com wrote: Are we doing a mass migration? Or just migrating lists some at a time as time permits? I can see advantages/disadvantages to both ways, just wondering which we are planning. I was planning on starting small, and adding from there. There's less risk that way. ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On 08/03/2009 05:22 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Rahul Sundaram Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating? Yes, note the section in the document about renaming lists. I wasn't very verbose in there about why you'd want to do that, maybe I was in an earlier draft :). But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never appear in the list name - it's obvious that it's a list from the domain name (lists.fp.o), as well as it has to do with Fedora (neither of these were true of the lists @redhat.com). The two examples that you cited above would be renamed perl-devel and java-devel, at least that's what makes sense to me. In that case a final list of what lists are going to be migration and what they would be called, long before you initiate the migration would be very helpful. Post to fedora advisory board or eek fedora-devel list /eek to make sure others have a opportunity to chime on it. Rahul ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
Jon Stanley (jonstan...@gmail.com) said: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem necessary. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration My concern is more procedural than infrastructural - I'd like to make sure we schedule the mass migration in such a way that it does not heavily disrupt development schedules; generally, this would mean doing it sometime after a release but before the alpha of the next release. Bill ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Rahul Sundaramsunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating? Yes, note the section in the document about renaming lists. I wasn't very verbose in there about why you'd want to do that, maybe I was in an earlier draft :). But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never appear in the list name - it's obvious that it's a list from the domain name (lists.fp.o), as well as it has to do with Fedora (neither of these were true of the lists @redhat.com). The two examples that you cited above would be renamed perl-devel and java-devel, at least that's what makes sense to me. ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:52 AM, Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com wrote: But the words 'fedora' and 'list' should never appear in the list name so, fedora-list@ will become -@ or n...@? ;) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Sandro red Mathysr...@fedoraproject.org wrote: so, fedora-list@ will become -@ or n...@? ;) Obviously not :). I was thinking of like users@ :) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Sat, Aug 01, 2009 at 01:01:32AM -0400, Jon Stanley wrote: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem necessary. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration I added a couple notes about _not_ regenerating the archives, and handling the forwards from Red Hat. -- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com www.dell.com/linux ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Matt Domschmatt_dom...@dell.com wrote: I added a couple notes about _not_ regenerating the archives, and handling the forwards from Red Hat. Good catch. I assumed that RHT would be willing to continue hosting the archives for the old lists for an indefinite period, and that any new links that folks make would obviously point to the new archives. If we just take the HTML from Red Hat without regenerating it so that the old filenames work, then I fear that some of the links in the HTML might not work (particularly to attachments, if there were any) ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Mailing list migration procedures
On 08/01/2009 10:31 AM, Jon Stanley wrote: I'd like some mailman experts (if we have any) to take a look at this procedure to migrate lists from redhat.com to lists.fp.o and let me know if there's something obviously missing from it or if there's some way that it can be improved. Feel free to make any edits you deem necessary. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailman_Infrastructure_SOP#Mailman_migration Have you thought whether a reorganization is desirable while migrating? Some of the lists are misnamed and inconsistent. fedora-devel-java-list vs fedora-perl-devel-list. Some of them have -list in their names and others do not. Might want to discuss which ones are worth carrying over vs leaving behind (fedora-xen list for ex has been superseded by fedora-virt list) Rahul ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list