Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-17 Thread Toshio Kuratomi
On 08/17/2009 03:48 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
> Hi guys and gals,
> 
> I am looking to join both the sysadmin-test and sysadmin-cvs groups.  Why you 
> might ask?  Well I'll tell you.  I wan't to get more involved in Fedora.
> 
> Here is my current Fedora resume...
> 
> - BugZapper for both KDE and Packagekit.
> - Maintain 20+ packages and am a Sponsor in the packaging group.
> - Work closely with the OLPC and Sugar folks at getting and maintaining the   
> 
> packages in Fedora
> - Responsible for creating builds of F11 with Sugar specifically for the OLPC 
> XO-1 (Hope to get an XO-1.5 soon) see http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 
> for info on this.
> 
> What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla interface 
> that 
> can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report issues with Sugar 
> Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop and test 
> it on one of the publictest servers.
> 
> Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects contained there.
> 
> Any questions just ask. 
> 
Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest infrastructure?
 We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on Fedora
Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In fact,
I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.

-Toshio



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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-17 Thread Mel Chua

What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla interface that
can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report issues with Sugar
Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop and test
it on one of the publictest servers.


I am ignorant of much of the context surrounding this, but it seems to 
me that this may be...


(1) technically an upstream-in-bugzilla project, perhaps
(2) potentially awesome for getting feedback from fedora users (provide 
a better on-ramp for participation - though I don't know all the ways 
we're getting user feedback now, and how effective current methods are 
at turning users into contributors). This would be if the interface is 
generalizable to "simplified bugzilla interface" and is customizable for 
audiences beyond OLPC-using children.


If #2, might be handy to deploy for Fedora in general as well (so long 
as we can think of ways to make sure the feedback/brainstorms actually 
get filtered into actionableness, and that the folks who submit that 
feedback are encouraged to take those actions.)


These are side musings, though.

--Mel

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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-18 Thread Steven M. Parrish
Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

> On 08/17/2009 03:48 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
>> Hi guys and gals,
>> 
>> I am looking to join both the sysadmin-test and sysadmin-cvs groups.  Why
>> you
>> might ask?  Well I'll tell you.  I wan't to get more involved in Fedora.
>> 
>> Here is my current Fedora resume...
>> 
>> - BugZapper for both KDE and Packagekit.
>> - Maintain 20+ packages and am a Sponsor in the packaging group.
>> - Work closely with the OLPC and Sugar folks at getting and maintaining
>> the packages in Fedora
>> - Responsible for creating builds of F11 with Sugar specifically for the
>> OLPC XO-1 (Hope to get an XO-1.5 soon) see
>> http://wiki.laptop.org/go/F11_for_XO-1 for info on this.
>> 
>> What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla
>> interface that can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report
>> issues with Sugar
>> Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop and
>> test it on one of the publictest servers.
>> 
>> Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects contained
>> there.
>> 
>> Any questions just ask.
>> 
> Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
> eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest infrastructure?
>  We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
> but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on Fedora
> Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In fact,
> I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.
> 
> -Toshio

It is intended to run on Fedora infrastructure.  It is going to be an 
alternate front end to our current bugzilla instance.  It could be built 
upon to create different front ends for other user groups as well.

Developing it in Python will not be a problem.  I am just in the beginning 
design stage atm. 

Steven

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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-18 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 08/18/2009 05:51 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:

>>> What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla
>>> interface that can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report
>>> issues with Sugar
>>> Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop and
>>> test it on one of the publictest servers.
>>>
>>> Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects contained
>>> there.
>>>
>>> Any questions just ask.
>>>
>> Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
>> eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest infrastructure?
>>  We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
>> but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on Fedora
>> Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In fact,
>> I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.
>>
>> -Toshio
> 
> It is intended to run on Fedora infrastructure.  It is going to be an 
> alternate front end to our current bugzilla instance.  It could be built 
> upon to create different front ends for other user groups as well.
> 
> Developing it in Python will not be a problem.  I am just in the beginning 
> design stage atm. 

Very interesting. A related project

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Desktop_Client

Rahul

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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-18 Thread Steven M. Parrish
Rahul Sundaram wrote:

> On 08/18/2009 05:51 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
> 
 What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla
 interface that can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report
 issues with Sugar
 Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop
 and test it on one of the publictest servers.

 Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects contained
 there.

 Any questions just ask.

>>> Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
>>> eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest infrastructure?
>>>  We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
>>> but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on Fedora
>>> Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In fact,
>>> I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.
>>>
>>> -Toshio
>> 
>> It is intended to run on Fedora infrastructure.  It is going to be an
>> alternate front end to our current bugzilla instance.  It could be built
>> upon to create different front ends for other user groups as well.
>> 
>> Developing it in Python will not be a problem.  I am just in the
>> beginning design stage atm.
> 
> Very interesting. A related project
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Desktop_Client
> 
> Rahul

Sounds like we both have similar goals here.  I think having both a OS based 
app and a simple web interface for our bugreporting is a great idea.  

Anything that makes it easier for normal users to report issues and give 
feedback will only lead to making Fedora a more user friendly distro.

Steven

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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-18 Thread Paul W. Frields
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:15:48AM -0400, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> 
> > On 08/18/2009 05:51 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
> > 
>  What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla
>  interface that can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report
>  issues with Sugar
>  Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop
>  and test it on one of the publictest servers.
> 
>  Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects contained
>  there.
> 
>  Any questions just ask.
> 
> >>> Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
> >>> eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest infrastructure?
> >>>  We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
> >>> but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on Fedora
> >>> Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In fact,
> >>> I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.
> >>>
> >>> -Toshio
> >> 
> >> It is intended to run on Fedora infrastructure.  It is going to be an
> >> alternate front end to our current bugzilla instance.  It could be built
> >> upon to create different front ends for other user groups as well.
> >> 
> >> Developing it in Python will not be a problem.  I am just in the
> >> beginning design stage atm.
> > 
> > Very interesting. A related project
> > 
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Desktop_Client
> > 
> > Rahul
> 
> Sounds like we both have similar goals here.  I think having both a OS based 
> app and a simple web interface for our bugreporting is a great idea.  
> 
> Anything that makes it easier for normal users to report issues and give 
> feedback will only lead to making Fedora a more user friendly distro.

I know that there were folks in the Desktop SIG who were interested
in a more friendly bug filing Web interface, as well as other
possibilities for lowering the fright factor of Bugzilla.

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Re: Wan't to join and why

2009-08-18 Thread Steven M. Parrish
Paul W. Frields wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 09:15:48AM -0400, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
>> Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> 
>> > On 08/18/2009 05:51 PM, Steven M. Parrish wrote:
>> > 
>>  What I am looking to do now is create a very simplified bugzilla
>>  interface that can be used by OLPC users, mostly children, to report
>>  issues with Sugar
>>  Activities in Fedora.  Will develop in PHP and would like to develop
>>  and test it on one of the publictest servers.
>> 
>>  Also would like to help maintain the cvs servers and projects
>>  contained there.
>> 
>>  Any questions just ask.
>> 
>> >>> Is this intended to be deployed onto Fedora Infrastructure boxes
>> >>> eventually or just be developed/demoed on the publictest
>> >>> infrastructure?
>> >>>  We haven't had development of known-non-Fedora stuff done previously
>> >>> but this might be a valid first case.  If it's intended to run on
>> >>> Fedora
>> >>> Infrastructure, we very much prefer developing them in python.  In
>> >>> fact, I don't think we have any non-python developed stuff.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Toshio
>> >> 
>> >> It is intended to run on Fedora infrastructure.  It is going to be an
>> >> alternate front end to our current bugzilla instance.  It could be
>> >> built upon to create different front ends for other user groups as
>> >> well.
>> >> 
>> >> Developing it in Python will not be a problem.  I am just in the
>> >> beginning design stage atm.
>> > 
>> > Very interesting. A related project
>> > 
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Desktop_Client
>> > 
>> > Rahul
>> 
>> Sounds like we both have similar goals here.  I think having both a OS
>> based app and a simple web interface for our bugreporting is a great
>> idea.
>> 
>> Anything that makes it easier for normal users to report issues and give
>> feedback will only lead to making Fedora a more user friendly distro.
> 
> I know that there were folks in the Desktop SIG who were interested
> in a more friendly bug filing Web interface, as well as other
> possibilities for lowering the fright factor of Bugzilla.
> 

Yes its something that was discussed at FudCon in January, but now that 
Sugar/OLPC is basing itself on Fedora I feel its important to get something 
going.

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