IRC.

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Jones
I've created a #fedora-kernel channel on freenode in response
to the large number of /msg's I continue to get which really
should be going to a wider audience.

I expect it to be low-traffic, but it may be a worthwhile experiment
to see if it helps any for triage, coordination etc.

Dave

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Re: IRC.

2007-09-21 Thread Christopher Brown
On 21/09/2007, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've created a #fedora-kernel channel on freenode in response
> to the large number of /msg's I continue to get which really
> should be going to a wider audience.
>
> I expect it to be low-traffic, but it may be a worthwhile experiment
> to see if it helps any for triage, coordination etc.


Is there any value is punting out a message to fedora-test to get more
people on the case with triaging? I'm getting to the point now where bugs
aren't so old any more therefore people remember why they filed, can still
replicate the bug so the process rate is slowing somewhat. When you say /msg
do you mean people in IRC or bugzilla emails about bug status changes. Is it
worth setting up a bugzilla monitor to show status changes to kernel bugs?

Also, is it worth setting mailman to change the reply-to address so it goes
to the list rather than the poster a-la -devel and -test?

Cheers
Chris

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Re: IRC.

2007-09-21 Thread Dave Jones
On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 04:23:57PM +0100, Christopher Brown wrote:
 > On 21/09/2007, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > >
 > > I've created a #fedora-kernel channel on freenode in response
 > > to the large number of /msg's I continue to get which really
 > > should be going to a wider audience.
 > >
 > > I expect it to be low-traffic, but it may be a worthwhile experiment
 > > to see if it helps any for triage, coordination etc.
 > 
 > Is there any value is punting out a message to fedora-test to get more
 > people on the case with triaging?

Yeah, can't hurt.

 > I'm getting to the point now where bugs
 > aren't so old any more therefore people remember why they filed, can still
 > replicate the bug so the process rate is slowing somewhat. When you say /msg
 > do you mean people in IRC or bugzilla emails about bug status changes.

People.

 > Is it worth setting up a bugzilla monitor to show status changes to kernel 
 > bugs?

There's always #fedorabot (though that shows bug changes to all packages).
Perhaps we could get whoever controls it to join #fedora-kernel too if
it can be trained to only talk about kernel bugs, though I'm not sure
if it'll be annoying or not. Opinions?

 > Also, is it worth setting mailman to change the reply-to address so it goes
 > to the list rather than the poster a-la -devel and -test?

I try to stay out of that argument as much as possible, as it seems
have vocal proponents/opponents on both sides, and tbh, I don't think
there's a way that'll please everyone.

Dave

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Fedora 6/7 kernel update plans

2007-09-21 Thread Chuck Ebbert
Fedora 6: leave on 2.6.22 until end-of-life

There are so many workarounds and backwards-compatibility
issues in there that it just doesn't seem worthwhile to
upgrade.


Fedora 7: update to 2.6.23 after Fedora 8 is released

May as well update, the issues aren't nearly so great and
users will probably want the latest kernel.

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Re: Fedora 6/7 kernel update plans

2007-09-21 Thread Josh Boyer
On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:11:04 -0400
Chuck Ebbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Fedora 6: leave on 2.6.22 until end-of-life
> 
> There are so many workarounds and backwards-compatibility
> issues in there that it just doesn't seem worthwhile to
> upgrade.
> 
> 
> Fedora 7: update to 2.6.23 after Fedora 8 is released
> 
> May as well update, the issues aren't nearly so great and
> users will probably want the latest kernel.

Sounds right to me.  And if it makes anyone feel any better, I've been
running a rawhide ppc64 kernel on F7 base for a while now with no
issues.

josh

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Re: Fedora 6/7 kernel update plans

2007-09-21 Thread Thorsten Leemhuis
On 21.09.2007 19:11, Chuck Ebbert wrote:
> Fedora 6: leave on 2.6.22 until end-of-life
> There are so many workarounds and backwards-compatibility
> issues in there that it just doesn't seem worthwhile to
> upgrade.

+1

> Fedora 7: update to 2.6.23 after Fedora 8 is released
> 
> May as well update, the issues aren't nearly so great and
> users will probably want the latest kernel.

Just wondering: Why wait for F8? Seems 2.6.23 is 1-10 days away. So it
we quickly ship it in updates-testing (and updates proper maybe a week
or two after if not to many bugs show up there) for F7 we might hit and
fix some more kernel bugs in F7-testing/F7 and get those fixes into the
F8 kernel as well, which results in a better kernel for both F7 and F8.

CU
knurd

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Re: IRC.

2007-09-21 Thread David Woodhouse
On Fri, 2007-09-21 at 11:35 -0400, Dave Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 04:23:57PM +0100, Christopher Brown wrote:
>  > On 21/09/2007, Dave Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > >
>  > > I've created a #fedora-kernel channel on freenode in response
>  > > to the large number of /msg's I continue to get which really
>  > > should be going to a wider audience.

Yay, more channels on $%@&! Freenode. Which one shall I quit in order to
join the new one, I wonder... :)

>  > Also, is it worth setting mailman to change the reply-to address so it goes
>  > to the list rather than the poster a-la -devel and -test?

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

> I try to stay out of that argument as much as possible, as it seems
> have vocal proponents/opponents on both sides, and tbh, I don't think
> there's a way that'll please everyone.

Indeed. And the failure more one way round is much worse than the
failure mode the other way round.

Maybe we should start shipping a decent mail client with a proper 'reply
to all' button? :)

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