Re: PGP signatures.

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 May 2008 02:08, Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 17:49 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > It is important, though, to maintain the web-of-trust.  It does have
> > legal implications, and that's why local signing is an option.  I use
> > encryption for correspondence with one person, and for that I have to
> > use ultimate trust, yet I've never met him.
>
> I don't recall being required to "ultimately trust" someone to send them
> encrypted mail.  I'd call that a foolhardy thing, too.  It'd be better
> to set your mailer to trust people on your keyring - that affects what
> you do with the keys, rather than inappropriately bodging the keys,
> themselves.
>
Since it is a local setting it has no security implications for anyone else.  
Local signing is designed to cope with situations like this.

Anne

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > 
> > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> 
> I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> 
> lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> 
> PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH

Better is 

PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin

There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
and /usr/sbim ones.




> 
> poc
> 
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Firefox plugins

[Antonio M]

Suddenly when I digit about:plugins I find that no plugins are
installed!!! where have they gone???

Running firefox-3.0-0.60.beta5.fc9.i386



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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Tim]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:09 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> I tried the "lspci" command, but it says "command not found".  I'm
> logged in as root, in the terminal.  Also; ifconfig, iwconfig are not
> found either?  How do I get these back.

How did you log in?  I'm guessing you used "su" rather than "su -".

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Tim]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 20:36 -0400, Neal Becker wrote:
> 2. Fonts are significantly larger with the nvidia driver than with the
> open nvidia version.  I wonder why? 

Screen size or DPI settings, most likely.

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Re: build initrd for qla2xxx firmware

[Mark Haney]

Rick Stevens wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:

Mark Haney wrote:




Oh, hell, I remember now.  The new firmware stuff uses initramfs.



Rick, can you explain further?  I really, really need to get this 
working and I"m at a loss for how to continue.


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Re: Fedora 6 directly to Fedora 9 upgrade path?

[David Nguyen]

Hi,
I did an update from FC6 to 9 exactly and my system wasn't booting anymore. So 
I search on a forum and find the solution. I have to rebuild the initd image.

How I did it?
- DVD update in text mod to update packages and kernel
- then restart with DVD in rescue mod: follow instruction with chroot and 
mkinitrd with the new image and then it works. 

You can find those instructions in the Fedora Forum website, make a search with 
keywords : mkinitrd uname

Fc9 won't boot or anything else.  

BR
David


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> De: vincenzo romero <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Objet: Re: Fedora 6 directly to Fedora 9 upgrade path?
> À: "For users of Fedora" 
> Date: Jeudi 29 Mai 2008, 1h55
> I just bit the bullet 
> 
> 1.  upgrade was totally smooth - i did not do yum upgrade
> ... I just
> burnt the ISO DVD; and then booted off CD and chose,
> UPGRADE current
> system ...
> 
> 2.  it took a long time, but it went smooth ...
> 
> 3.  however, I further yum upgraded (AFTER the initial
> upgrade) 
> my kernel, and installed the source (developer/headers) and
> upgraded
>  somewhere AFTER upgrading to the latest kernel - I
> rebooted
> 
> 4.  boot FAILED and was stuck at GRUB in the upper
> left-hand side ...
> 
> 5.  booted off rescue cd and did a
> chroot /mnt/sysimage
> grub-install /dev/sda recheck
> 
> 6.  I looked at the /boot/grub/ config files .. and for
> some reason
> peaked on the device.map .. and saw that it was changed -
> the current
> one looked like this:
> 
> (fd0) /dev/fd0
> (hd0) /dev/sda
> 
> 7.  I changed it back to only this:
> 
> (hd0) /dev/sda
> 
> 
> And I was able to boot back into FC9!
> 
> :)
> 
> - V.
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Re: SCIM and other Problem in XFCE in FC9 -SOLVED

[das]

The problem of not being able to make SCIM work in XFCE-Fedora 9 is
solved. The Bugzilla entry was:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=448411

God knows why they changed the title of this entry from 'SCIM not
working in XFCE in F9' to a very obtuse an unrepresentative 'No hotkeys
defined for non-Asian locales'. Read it to understand why the change of
title is so comprehensively meaningless. I presume some workload
distribution problem internal to Redhat office is there behind this
renaming. Anyway the content is there for anyone. 

And also a Fedora Guide Page:

http://fedoraguide.info/index.php/Scim_xfce

I just now created it because in reference to this thread two different
friends mailed me about the solution. I have never before written any
Fedora Guide wiki page, so I don't know the technical specifications,
and I am in a hurry to read in details. So, even if that is not there
for not being up to the standard, the bugzilla entry will be for anyone
who wants to make SCIM work in XFCE in Fedora 9. 

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ssh to a remote server via gateway server

[lux]

Hi,
I routinely login a remote server via a 'gateway' machine. For example, I
need to login to PC B using ssh. But this PC B is behind a firewall.ssh port
on PC A is open.

As a result, I have to login  PC A via ssh, then ssh PC B from PC A.

Is there ssh command line option that I can directly ssh to PC B?

Thanks
Y
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livna nvidia at last!

[Tom Horsley]

Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:

Option  "ModeValidation" "NoMaxPClkCheck"

but that isn't new with this card (something somewhere insists that the
max pixel clock rate is considerably lower than the actual max rate
for a DVI interface, so I have to make the driver ignore that bogus
info, and it works perfectly - smoke hasn't yet started coming out of
the system after all these years of ignoring the pixel clock check :-).

Together with the magic ServerFlags option:

Option  "AutoAddDevices" "False"

(which makes DragLockButtons work again so my trackball is functional),
and I'm almost ready to declare fedora 9 finally usable :-).

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Rex Dieter]

Neal Becker wrote:

> I have desktop effects now with kde/nvidia with the new nvidia driver.
> 
> Now, 2 questions:
> 
> 1. Should I choose compositing with opengl or xrender?

opengl is preferable, but ymmv.  Try both, and stick with whichever works
best for you.

> 2. Fonts are significantly larger with the nvidia driver than with the
> open nvidia version.  I wonder why?

As Tim highlighted, a difference in monitor/dpi detection most likely.

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Re: F9 network configuration bug? -- SOLVED

[David Mozurkewich]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 04:12 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
> On Tue, 27 May 2008 16:03:05 -0400, David Mozurkewich wrote:
> 
> > I just added a second computer behind my netgear WGR614v4 router.  I
> > installed Fedora 9.  My last install was FC5 so there is much in F9 that
> > is unfamiliar to me.  To avoid introducing errors, I used all the
> > defaults during the installation except disk partitions.  After the
> > reboot, ifconfig shows eth0 active with the correct IP address
> > 
> > I am probably making a simple mistake but cannot see it.  Any
> > help/suggestions would be appreciated, 
> 
> Can your other machines go out? 

yes.   Swapping wires to and ports on the router as well as removing the
other computers from the network didn't help either.

> What happens if you turn off the firewall on the new one? 

No effect.

> What happens if you configure the network manually (system-config-network) 
> and turn off NM? 

The problem remains.

> Do you have to do something in the router to make it forward the
>  incoming packets to your pc? Normally you shouldn't have to. 

I thought so too.  I didn't even consider it as a possibility...

> You can try to look at the packets with wireshark and see if you can 
> figure out what it's waiting for.

I used tcpdump since I didn't have to download it.  I don't understand
most of what it told me but there was some weird stuff in there -- like
what appeared to be the router broadcasting a message asking for the
router's address.  That sent me into the router's configuration menus.
It's been years since I looked around in there.  For some reason, the
"static routes" table had an entry for the address it is assigning to
the new computer.  I took that incorrect information out and the network
is working as it should.

Right now, I'm really impressed with Fedora 9.  Even with a computer
newer than the OS, it installed and everything works without having
asked me a single, hardware-related question.

Thanks for your help.

Dave


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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > 
> > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > 
> > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > 
> > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > 
> > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> 
> Better is 
> 
> PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> 
> There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> and /usr/sbim ones.

Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when you
want it the other way round.

poc

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Rex Dieter]

kwhiskerz wrote:

> I hope someone in the know answers your question. I would like to add
> some, on topic:
> 
> Having chosen OpenGL, should one choose:
> 
> 1. Texture from Pixmap, Shared Memory or Fallback?
> 2. Nearest, Bilinear or Trilinear?
> 3. Direct Rendering?
> 4. VSync?

IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
stick with the defaults. :)

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Re: ssh to a remote server via gateway server

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

lux wrote:

Hi,
I routinely login a remote server via a 'gateway' machine. For example, 
I need to login to PC B using ssh. But this PC B is behind a 
firewall.ssh port on PC A is open.


As a result, I have to login  PC A via ssh, then ssh PC B from PC A.

Is there ssh command line option that I can directly ssh to PC B?

Thanks
Y


You could try something like:

ssh [options] [EMAIL PROTECTED] "ssh [options] [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

You can skip the user@ part if you have the same user name.

ssh -Y PC_A "ssh -Y [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

Yes I did log in using "su", what's the difference with the - option?
Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
at first. I spent a couple minutes in "man" and "vim" :help.



On 5/29/08, Tim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:09 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
>> I tried the "lspci" command, but it says "command not found".  I'm
>> logged in as root, in the terminal.  Also; ifconfig, iwconfig are not
>> found either?  How do I get these back.
>
> How did you log in?  I'm guessing you used "su" rather than "su -".
>
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Fedora 9 - changing screen resolution with sys-config-display (or not)

[John Whitley]

Having fresh installed Fedora 9, I am struggling with changing both the 
Monitor type and the screen resolution.


System->Administration->Display->Hardware allowed ne to change the 
Monitor type to Generic LCD 1280x1024


Further attempts do not update /etc/X11/xorg.conf

Setting the monitor to 1280x1024 gave me a screen resolution of 1024x768

Attempting to change this by either 
System->Preferences->Hardware->Screen Resolution or 
System->Administration->Display->Settings, I was only offered either the 
same or lower resolutions.


Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a higher resolution solved the problem.

In each case I was careful to make the change and then re-login.

Looking at Redhat Bugzilla, it appears there have been problems with 
sys-config-display since Fedora 7 although I did not suffer with this on 
numerous Fedora 8 boxes I setup.


Is this a common problem? How do others change screen resolution?

I would be grateful for advice

Regards

John Whitley

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dual monitor setup crashes SE troubleshooter!?!

[Steve]

I used preupgrade to upgrade from F7 to F9 but X did not start. Running 
system-config-display got one of my 2 monitors up and running. I tried to get 
my second monitor working by using my xorg.conf file that worked in F7. Then I 
did a Ctrl-Alt-F1, logged in as root and did an init 3, and then an init 5. I 
got the following messages:
(Note that some lines were overwritten)

...
Starting setroubleshootd:
Registering binary handler for qemu applications
Starting jexec serviceStarting background  readahead (later[  OK  ]ode):
Exception in thread Thread-2 (most likely raised during interpreter shutdown):
Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/lib64/python2.5/threading.py", line 460, in __bootstrap
   File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site_packages/setroubleshoot/avc-audit.py, line 
335, in run
: NoneType object has no attribute 'read'
Unhandled exception in thread started by
Error in sys.excepthook:
Original exception was:
Binary handler for Windows applications already started.

Back on the Ctrl-Alt-F7 screen, I have a desktop background, the top and bottom 
menu bars are mostly off the screen, there is a grey rectangle in the top left 
corner and the screen is frozen.

There are only 2 errors n the Xorg.0.log file about modules that can't be found 
(record and type1) and warnings about unused options.

Has anyone else seen anything like this?
Does anyone have dual monitors working? It has been reported before that the 
System->Administration->Display GUI does not work.

This is an up-to-date F9 x86_64 system.

Steve

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Re: Fedora 9 - changing screen resolution with sys-config-display (or not)

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:15 +0100, John Whitley wrote:
> Having fresh installed Fedora 9, I am struggling with changing both the 
> Monitor type and the screen resolution.
> 
> System->Administration->Display->Hardware allowed ne to change the 
> Monitor type to Generic LCD 1280x1024
> 
> Further attempts do not update /etc/X11/xorg.conf
> 
> Setting the monitor to 1280x1024 gave me a screen resolution of 1024x768
> 
> Attempting to change this by either 
> System->Preferences->Hardware->Screen Resolution or 
> System->Administration->Display->Settings, I was only offered either the 
> same or lower resolutions.
> 
> Editing /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a higher resolution solved the problem.
> 
> In each case I was careful to make the change and then re-login.
> 
> Looking at Redhat Bugzilla, it appears there have been problems with 
> sys-config-display since Fedora 7 although I did not suffer with this on 
> numerous Fedora 8 boxes I setup.
> 
> Is this a common problem? How do others change screen resolution?
> 
> I would be grateful for advice

Try xrandr.

Also, in many cases you can simply remove (or rename) xorg.conf and the
driver will work it out for itself.

poc

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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Mike Burger]

> --- "Kevin J. Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>> > Now, if the administrator did things right, there
>> should be a network
>> > setup USB key or disk with all the network
>> settings needed to connect to
>> > the wireless network. It is set up so that all you
>> need to do is put it
>> > in and auto-run it - it sets things up without the
>> user having to know
>> > the details or the key. It makes setting up a new
>> computer to connect to
>> > the wireless network a snap.
>>
> That's what some teachers got to do after the Network
> became encrypted.  They took their computers to the
> Administrator and he put the key in for them and they
> are happily surfing.  Other teachers that seldom use
> their laptops, brought it to school only to find out
> that they cannot use the wireless network because it
> has a new key that they need to put in to be able to
> use it.  This happened without warning and some of my
> colleagues are mad.  I do not know what to tell them.
> I wish I knew more about wireless networking.

While I sympathize with their plight, in this regard, I do have note that
were I the networking supervisor, my sympathy would be limited.

I imagine that this person would have sent out numerous notices that they
would be implementing wireless encryption before doing so...as would be
standard practice (I could be wrong...this person may not have done so,
but I doubt that to be the case).

Given that, and that these teachers haven't bothered to bring their
laptops into the facility for so long, that (assuming the networking
supervisor did send out notification of the impending change) they had
ignored these notifications, and that the networking guru is not currently
available, *my* stance would be that they're just going to have to wait
until that person returns from vacation, and that they'll just have to
make do with whatever computers they've been using, in their classrooms,
while their laptops were left at home for all this time.

Of course, I'm something of an S.O.B. when it comes to problems that the
users could have prevented by paying attention to notifications and/or by
taking other steps.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Mike Burger]

> Hi,
>
> The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
>
> PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin

Add the actual path after what's there, i.e.

PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin:/search/path/1:/search/path/2

> As for the locate command I got this error:
>
> locate: can not open '/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db' : No such file or
> directory

As root, run "updatedb" which will then generate the mlocate.db.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Mike Burger]

> Yes I did log in using "su", what's the difference with the - option?
> Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
> file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
> detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
> at first. I spent a couple minutes in "man" and "vim" :help.

A simple "su" gives you root privileges with *your* shell environment,
while "su -" gives you the full root shell, as if you had logged in at the
console as root.

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Network card not starting with boot

[Marcelo Garcia]

Hi.

I installed Fedora 9 and I having a problem with to start my network 
card when the computer starts.


The computer is a Dell Precision 450 and the network card is "Intel 
82545 EM Gigabit Ether."


More details bellow. Does anyone have an idea of what is happening?

Thanks

Marcelo

# Intel Corporation 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (Copper)
DEVICE=eth0
BOOTPROTO=none
BROADCAST=
HWADDR=xx
IPADDR=xxx
NETMASK=255.255.254.0
NETWORK=xx
ONBOOT=yes
DNS1=xxx
DNS2=xx
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TYPE=Ethernet
USERCTL=no
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Mike Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>
> > Yes I did log in using "su", what's the difference with the - option?
> > Well I did get the lspci command to work. I exported it to a text
> > file. As soon as I get to work I'll post the result. Thanks for the
> > detailed help. VI is a very cool application, but hard to figure out
> > at first. I spent a couple minutes in "man" and "vim" :help.
>
> A simple "su" gives you root privileges with *your* shell environment,
> while "su -" gives you the full root shell, as if you had logged in at the
> console as root.
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Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:

02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
(rev 01)
Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm guessing my
wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny thing is
everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
network though.


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Re: Network card not starting with boot

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Marcelo Garcia wrote:

Hi.

I installed Fedora 9 and I having a problem with to start my network 
card when the computer starts.


The computer is a Dell Precision 450 and the network card is "Intel 
82545 EM Gigabit Ether."


More details bellow. Does anyone have an idea of what is happening?

Thanks

Marcelo

What run level are you booting to? I know on F8, if you boot to run 
level 5 (GUI login), that the NetworkManager service is started 
instead of the network service. The problem is that Network Manager 
does not bring up the network interface(s) until you log in. If F9 
is working the same way, you can change the it so the network 
service runs instead of NetworkManager. (The services GUI will let 
you do this.)


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Re: Network card not starting with boot

[Marcelo Garcia]

Hi Mikkel

I think you are right. I disabled "network manager" [1] but didn't 
enable "network".


Thanks

Marcelo

[1] System-> Administration -> Network Device Control -> Configure -> 
Network Configuration



Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Marcelo Garcia wrote:

Hi.

I installed Fedora 9 and I having a problem with to start my network 
card when the computer starts.


The computer is a Dell Precision 450 and the network card is "Intel 
82545 EM Gigabit Ether."


More details bellow. Does anyone have an idea of what is happening?

Thanks

Marcelo

What run level are you booting to? I know on F8, if you boot to run 
level 5 (GUI login), that the NetworkManager service is started 
instead of the network service. The problem is that Network Manager 
does not bring up the network interface(s) until you log in. If F9 is 
working the same way, you can change the it so the network service 
runs instead of NetworkManager. (The services GUI will let you do this.)


Mikkel



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Re: PGP signatures.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17
This does not work for me.
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Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[John Minson]

On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .

Any quick pointers ?
begin:vcard
tel;work:843-218-6521
version:2.1
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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:06 -0400, Kevin J. Cummings wrote:
> 
> Well, my experience is that I've help to configure 2 different
> laptops 
> under windows xp, and in both cases, the wireless key was available
> from 
> the configuration tool in plain text.  YMMV. 
If the wireless key is readily available is is not much of a security
feature. In Linux if you have the keyring manager installed some one
else who has used the AP can retrieve the passwd from his keyring and
give it to you. In WEP that should work without a problem in the WPA we
use at school the passwd is tied to the login passwd so I suspect the
other person would not want to reveal it.

There is no sense having APs secured by passwds that are readily
available to any user. The system manager must be involved. It is true
that for home DSL systems the passwd is available in the router's web
page but again it is passwd protected by a router passwd.
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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:46 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote:
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: For users of Fedora 
> > Cc: Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:31:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible
> > 
> > On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > How does one get a KEY to a secured network that could be WEP/WPA?
> > 
> > The purpose of WEP or WPA is to insure (to the extent possible) that only
> > authorized computers (with keys) can use the network.
> > 
> > The proper way to obtain a key is to approach the person who is in charge of
> > the network and request authorization.  If he approves, he will issue you 
> > the
> > required key.
> > 
> > -- 
> > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~ http://www.melvilletheatre.com
> 
> The guy is on vacation, A teacher needs to connect to the network to teach a 
> lesson.  Nothing illegal or bad.  Otherwise I would not ask this question.  I 
> do not want to use unauthorized network without permission.  I can ask 
> permission from Administration, but the guy that knows the key is not here.  
> If there is no way to do it, then I rest my case!  The person can die and 
> then the key is lost to the network.  There has to be a way to do it.  The 
> computer could access the network before. it was set up by wireless dhcp, but 
> now someone who manages the network put a key and many users(teachers) cannot 
> access the internet.  The person that takes care of that is on vacation.  Is 
> there a way or not?
> That is all that I am asking.
> Thanks,
> Antonio 
Despite what others are saying in general the answer is no. It is
equivalent to asking how oyu can login to an account someone who is not
available to give you his passwd. The answer is you can't without
resorting to hacking.
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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Aaron Konstam]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:23 -0400, max wrote:
> 
> WEP is easily broken in under 5 minutes with the right tools. There
> are 
> plenty of how-to's strewn across the net 

You can't break the WEP key unless someone is currently communicating on
the connection. Find aircrack and try it.
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Re: problem with totem

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> hi all!
> 
> totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a recently 
> updated f9 box.
If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by totem-xine.
The executable is still called totem
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More Qlogic driver madness.

[Mark Haney]

This is really getting silly.  How is it possible that an initrd will 
not USE the firmware included with it to allow me to initialize my 
Qlogic FC card?  I've built my own, I've read everything I can about 
initrd and initramfs and I'm still stuck.  Are there tools included with 
Fedora that let me edit/muck initramfs settings?  Or do I have to roll 
my own?


I just don't get it, between FC6 2.6.20 and 2.6.22 kernels in FC6 this 
capability was broken and no one's complained?  I'm really very tempted 
to file a bug report on this for F8 and hope it gets fixed that way, 
since I'm unable to find an answer.


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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Antonio Olivares]

--- Aaron Konstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:46 -0700, Antonio Olivares
> wrote:
> > > - Original Message 
> > > From: Frank Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: For users of Fedora 
> > > Cc: Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 6:31:56 PM
> > > Subject: Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network
> if possible
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 28 May 2008 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Antonio Olivares <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > How does one get a KEY to a secured network
> that could be WEP/WPA?
> > > 
> > > The purpose of WEP or WPA is to insure (to the
> extent possible) that only
> > > authorized computers (with keys) can use the
> network.
> > > 
> > > The proper way to obtain a key is to approach
> the person who is in charge of
> > > the network and request authorization.  If he
> approves, he will issue you the
> > > required key.
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > MELVILLE THEATRE ~ Melville Sask ~
> http://www.melvilletheatre.com
> > 
> > The guy is on vacation, A teacher needs to connect
> to the network to teach a lesson.  Nothing illegal
> or bad.  Otherwise I would not ask this question.  I
> do not want to use unauthorized network without
> permission.  I can ask permission from
> Administration, but the guy that knows the key is
> not here.  If there is no way to do it, then I rest
> my case!  The person can die and then the key is
> lost to the network.  There has to be a way to do
> it.  The computer could access the network before.
> it was set up by wireless dhcp, but now someone who
> manages the network put a key and many
> users(teachers) cannot access the internet.  The
> person that takes care of that is on vacation.  Is
> there a way or not?
> > That is all that I am asking.
> > Thanks,
> > Antonio 
> Despite what others are saying in general the answer
> is no. It is
> equivalent to asking how oyu can login to an account
> someone who is not
> available to give you his passwd. The answer is you
> can't without
> resorting to hacking.
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I'll stay out of it.  Let them wait till the guy comes
back, if not too bad!   :(

Regards,

Antonio


  

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17

This does not work for me.


Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
first.

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Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[kwhiskerz]

Rex Dieter wrote:

IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
stick with the defaults. :)

Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > 
> > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > 
> > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > 
> > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > 
> > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > 
> > Better is 
> > 
> > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > 
> > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > and /usr/sbim ones.
> 
> Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when you
> want it the other way round.

Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.

If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
problem.

> 
> poc
> 
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Re: F9: libusb & palm syncing not working

[Peter Boy]

Am Montag, den 19.05.2008, 11:37 -0700 schrieb Brian Mury:
> I am trying to get my Palm M130 working with F9 using libusb. When I
> start the hotsync, /var/log/messages shows this:
> 
> May 19 11:32:41 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device 
> on port 3


may bi the culprit. See

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446845 




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Re: Fc 7 installs- not Fc 8

[g]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1


05/27/2008 12:38 AM -- Dave Stevens wrote:
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>> After formatting the HD, I tried to install Fc 8 by a DVD, but failed.I was
>> able to do it with Fc 7 (a DVD).
>>
> please explain the error message when the install failed.
>
> Dave

05/27/2008 12:44 AM -- g wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 20:34 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> After formatting the HD, I tried to install Fc 8 by a DVD, but
>> failed.I was able to do it with Fc 7 (a DVD).
> 
> format during or before install?
> 
> what failed where?
> 
> [before, during, after] [format, install, reboot]???
> 
>> Why it is so.
> 
> it does happen.

05/27/2008 08:21 AM -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HD was formatted and the install process was started.The error message in
> the case of Fc8 was that there was no operating system.
>
> Fc 7 installed without any hitch.

and,,,
 this error message appeared when? which? where?

as in what part of install? ai, no operating system to install?
 or,
during reboot? ai, no operating system to boot?

long and short of it, aka, in other words,

terse is for command line input, detail is for obtaining help.

no grafix screen capture please.  ;0)


btw, pxd. i tried an install to disk of 'f9-pre-kde'. i had a good
laugh when i tried to boot it and 3 - 4 lines after 'boot menu wipe',
last line was no operating system found. sure enough, when i booted
f8 and check 'f9-pre-kde' partition, sure enough, nothing at all...

installation congratulated me too,
  and all that other happy feeling stuff.

t4, excuse my delay. had to rebuild and chop out f8 to get back on.

later.

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Re: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[g]

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Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> g wrote:
> | dan,
> |  this is not in thinking you do not know. only for those who may not.
> [snip!]
> 
> I think the "box" (folders/directory) layouts are
> arbitrary, you can setup your structures as you desire.

nor did i imply otherwise.
  yet i did hope to provoke other ways,

imap server:
> I have "boxes" both under "Inbox" and outside of "Inbox".
> I could have easily moved all by "Inbox" sub-boxes outside
> of "Inbox" if I wanted to.

appearance of 'presort'? for self or others?

> The problem I ran into was that someone recommended
> that I place an entry such as "\Global Address List"
> in the "IMAP server directory" field and in that
> case, a "top-level namespace" was created and it
> automatically added sub-boxes under the "\Global
> Address List", "Inbox", Trash", and "Junk". Clicking
> on "Subscribe...", you may find that you cannot select
> any existing "boxes" outside of your "IMAP server directory"
> namespace, as I did.
> 
> My problem was solved by clearing the "IMAP server
> directory" field and allowed me to "Subscribe..." to
> all existing boxes in the global namespace.

ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?

> FWIW,

a lot if it helps later.


later.


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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Mike Chambers]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:18 +, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
> I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
> intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:

Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
driver?

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Re: problem with totem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > hi all!
> > 
> > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a recently 
> > updated f9 box.
> If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by totem-xine.
> The executable is still called totem

There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend for
the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna one.

poc

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:22 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > > 
> > > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > > 
> > > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > > 
> > > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> > > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > > 
> > > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > > 
> > > Better is 
> > > 
> > > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > > 
> > > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > > and /usr/sbim ones.
> > 
> > Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when you
> > want it the other way round.
> 
> Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
> these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.
> 
> If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
> problem.

Correct.

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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:54 -0400, John Minson wrote:
> On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
> and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
> obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .
> Any quick pointers ?

See the thread starting at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg01731.html

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Public folders

[Antonio M]

I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
directory I get an error (File or object not found)
Both computer are running on F9.
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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Rex Dieter]

kwhiskerz wrote:

> Rex Dieter wrote:
> 
> IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
> stick with the defaults. :)
> 
> Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)

heh, you don't *have* to do anything.  Tinker to your heart's content, it's
your box afterall.  Of course, if anything breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.  :)

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:22 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > > >
> > > > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > > >
> > > > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin).
> /sbin/lspci
> > > > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > > >
> > > > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > > >
> > > > Better is
> > > >
> > > > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > > >
> > > > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > > > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > > > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > > > and /usr/sbim ones.
> > >
> > > Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when
> you
> > > want it the other way round.
> >
> > Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
> > these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.
> >
> > If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
> > problem.
>
> Correct.
>
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Yes I did log into root without the hyphen.  Once I logged in using:

su -

I am able to use ifconfig, iwconfig, lspci, etc.  I did post the results of
lspci, but I'm unclear what to do with the information in it.  It doesn't
look like an error occurred, but then again, I don't know what I'm looking
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Re: Public folders

[Mark Haney]

Antonio M wrote:

I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
directory I get an error (File or object not found)
Both computer are running on F9.
Any explanation???


Okay, I'm a little unclear on what you mean?  How are you transferring them?


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F9 - DPMS not working

[John Horne]

Hello,

Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.

Any ideas, suggestions?


Thanks,

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> kwhiskerz wrote:
>
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> >
> > IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
> > stick with the defaults. :)
> >
> > Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)
>
> heh, you don't *have* to do anything.  Tinker to your heart's content, it's
> your box afterall.  Of course, if anything breaks, you get to keep the
> pieces.  :)
>
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What does IMHO mean?  I've got desktop effects and it is the coolest thing
next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.
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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[John Minson]

This link does not address what I'm trying to do.

I create a bash script that runs /some/dir/XYZ.sh . I used to be able
to add an arbitrary icon to my  panel that invokes it .I can in fact
open the file manager and drag /some/dir/XYZ.sh into the panel but I
cannot modify the icon representing it.



Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:54 -0400, John Minson wrote:
  
  
On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .
Any quick pointers ?

  
  
See the thread starting at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg01731.html

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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[Anne Wilson]

Please don't top-post.  It makes threads difficult to follow.

On Thursday 29 May 2008 19:04:29 John Minson wrote:
>  This link does not address what I'm trying to do.
>
>  I create a bash script that runs /some/dir/XYZ.sh . I used to be able to
> add an arbitrary icon to my  panel that invokes it .I can in fact open the
> file manager and drag /some/dir/XYZ.sh into the panel but I cannot modify
> the icon representing it.
>
You must understand that a lot (indeed most) of KDE 4 is work-in-progress.  
There are many things that do not yet have the functionality we are used to.  
It is the future, so we need to start learning about it now, but improvements 
are being made almost daily.

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Re: F9 - DPMS not working

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
> power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
> mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
> as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
> the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
> an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
> driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
> problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.
> 
> Any ideas, suggestions?

Generate some traffic here:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661

and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver.  If you
can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9
in your comment.

Team Fedora won't help with the nVidia driver issue.  For that, check
out the nVidia fora.

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John.
> 
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Re: Public folders

[Antonio M]

2008/5/29 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antonio M wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
>> computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
>> directory I get an error (File or object not found)
>> Both computer are running on F9.
>> Any explanation???
>
> Okay, I'm a little unclear on what you mean?  How are you transferring them?
>
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yes..some explanation must be given.

If I open on my desktop the window of Public Shares I see all files
and folders as any other window of any other local folderI can
copy from Public Shares of a remote computer to any local folder only
files, and not foldres...
For your understanding, I needed to synchronize two PC not at the same
time, so I decided to move one folder to a Public Share on my main PC,
then I tried to copy to to-be-synchronized computer.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
> 
> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
> chipset
> (rev 01)
> Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
> Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
> Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
> 
> What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
> guessing my
> wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
> thing is
> everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
> network though.

You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
(already detected and loaded by the kernel).

Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
correctly :-)

Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.

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Today's kernel is no good

[kwhiskerz]

kernel-2.6.25.4-30.f9 won't boot.

I get error, EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "auto" or missing value, and 
as a result, /selinux, /sys, etc are not created and the system hangs.

Yet, fstab seems fine and the previous kernels all worked and the last one 
still does.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 13:57 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> What does IMHO mean?  I've got desktop effects and it is the coolest
> thing next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):

BTW = By The Way
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

For an exhaustive treatise on this stuff, see http://catb.org/jargon/

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F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro that 
supported my laptop (fairly) well.

Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the update 
concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished and I 
rebooted.

My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! Not only that but X won't 
start because the previously installed Theme cannot be found. Oh and a minor 
issue - my net card no longer works.

I'd like to point out that KDE4, by it's own authors is not intended to be for 
mainstream use:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

"KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters, not every KDE 3.5 user 
(and IMHO KDE 4.0 shouldn't be pushed onto other user types like planned for 
Kubuntu ShipIt [btw said to have only 6 months support for its packages])."

But pushed (more like shoved) I was and I now have a completely unusable, 
broken system that I have reply upon daily for development.  Everyone is 
jumping on the KDE4 band-wagon but the wagon is missing three wheels. This is a 
complete disaster of a decision to make KDE4 the default install and sets-back 
Linux for anyone but the 'bleeders'.

KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission of the 
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
> >
> > 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
> > chipset
> > (rev 01)
> > Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
> > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> > Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
> > Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> > Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
> > Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
> >
> > What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
> > guessing my
> > wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
> > thing is
> > everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
> > network though.
>
> You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
> (already detected and loaded by the kernel).
>
> Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
> should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
> chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
> correctly :-)
>
> Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
> Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.
>
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Hi,

I did the "iwlist scan" and I noticed it did scans for: lo, eth1, wifi0,
eth0, irda0, and pan0.  My wireless device, according to Network
Configuration is eth0.  I find that weird; in prior distros wireless devices
where labeled wlan0, wlan1, etc.

The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean that they
are conflicting in some way?  Overall; it looks like NetworkManager isn't
playing nice with my wireless card and I'll have to do manual scans and
configuring in order to get it to work?
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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Robert Cahn]

I have updated my desktop using the 64-bit desktop of F9 from F7.  My
wireless is described by:

00:0a.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
(rev 01)
Subsystem: Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at e9005000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

Under F7 the wireless connected without any issues.

The I'm using plain old WEP on the access point.  When I attempt to connect
the first NM pip turns green immediately but the second pip never does.
Eventually I'm asked for the WEP key.  Entering it again does no good.  I've
used system-config-network to statically enter the WEP key and specify the
SSID.  Nothing works.  I've never been able to connect under F9.

I notice that I'm never asked to unlock the keyring as I was under F5 and
F7.  Are there any other suggestions as to what I can try?

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Rex Dieter]

scm in seattle wrote:

> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro
> that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished
> and I rebooted.
> 
> My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! Not only that but X won't
> start because the previously installed Theme cannot be found. Oh and a
> minor issue - my net card no longer works.
> 
> I'd like to point out that KDE4, by it's own authors is not intended to be
> for mainstream use:
> 
> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

opensuse != upstream kde

> "KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters, not every KDE 3.5
> user...

True, fedora is all about innovation and early adoption of technologies, and
isn't for everyone.

> KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission of the
> user. Ever. Period.

Good, keep using your tried-and-true KDE-3.5 on F8.  
Was getting KDE4 on F9 a surprise?  I thought we had done a pretty good job
of shouting from the rooftops.

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Rex Dieter]

scm in seattle wrote:

> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro
> that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished
> and I rebooted.
> 
> My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! 

Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?  
OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8.  We
definitely would *not* do that.

My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
yum config.  ??  what does
$ yum repolist
say?

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Tom Horsley]

> > Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
> > I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
> > intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:
> 
> Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
> having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
> use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
> driver?

I see both kmod-nvidia and akmod-nvidia. Possibly the akmod version
is the one that uses dkms (or something like it) to build the proper
kernel driver at boot time if necessary, but I'm not entirely
certain about that.

I usually just wait a day after a new kernel comes out and the new
livna module has usually shown up by then.

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Todd Zullinger]

scm in seattle wrote:
> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of
> the update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when
> it finished and I rebooted.

KDE4 is not in F8 updates.  So you didn't perform any sort of typical
update.  You upgraded your install to F9.  And if you did that, you'd
have checked the release notes to see that KDE 4 replaces KDE 3 in F9.

> KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission
> of the user. Ever. Period. 

It's not.  Calm down.  If you upgrade to a release that includes KDE 4
by default, you don't get to act shocked that it has -- GASP! -- KDE
4.

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updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Javier Perez]

Hi
I hae a Kingston Data Traveller USB flash drive (8GB) which for some reason
I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Googling around I came up with this information:


-Some USB flash drives are notorious for having problems with corrupted
master boot records.
Credit goes to BHSPitMonkey for pointing out this fix. The troubled drive
encountered
was a Kingston Data Traveler 2GB unit-

I think this makes my unit highly suspect.

The solution in Ubuntu was

we will install the mbr package and use it to create the new mbr on the USB
flash drive


1. Type *sudo apt-get install mbr*
  2. Type *fdisk -l* to find out which device is your flash drive
  3. Type *install-mbr /dev/sdx* (replacing x with your flash device)

My question is how do we do this with Fedora?
I already tried out the install-live-to-usb thingy and it did not work.

In fact the section in installing the mbr is blank at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

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Re: ssh to a remote server via gateway server

[François Patte]

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Le 29.05.2008 14:11, lux a écrit :
| Hi,
| I routinely login a remote server via a 'gateway' machine. For example,
| I need to login to PC B using ssh. But this PC B is behind a
| firewall.ssh port on PC A is open.
|
| As a result, I have to login  PC A via ssh, then ssh PC B from PC A.
|
| Is there ssh command line option that I can directly ssh to PC B?

I think that you have to make some firewall rules on your gw to allow
NAT to PC B

I'm not sure that Mikkel's solution will work:

"Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal"

will be the error message.

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:07:32 Rex Dieter wrote:
> scm in seattle wrote:
> > I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> > distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> >
> > Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> > update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it
> > finished and I rebooted.
> >
> > My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4!
>
> Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?
> OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8. 
> We definitely would *not* do that.
>
> My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
> yum config.  ??  what does
> $ yum repolist
> say?
>
His subject says 'F8 -> F9' so presumably he did an upgrade without reading 
the release notes.

Anne


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USB Install Method?

[Sean Bruno]

Back in the mists of time, there used to be a "diskimage.img" in the
distribution that you could "dd" to a USB stick and boot the installer
of Fedora.  Then you could install via the network or whatever.

The README in images on the x86_64 DVD ISO references diskimage.img, but
the file is AWOL on the image.

According the docs, there is a procedure for installing from a USB
stick, but "Procedure 3.2 Creating Bootable USB Media from Linux"
appears to be blank?

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-making-media.html#id543953

Is there still a USB installable method for those of us with a DVD?

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[das]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
"Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
livecd-iso-to-disk? 

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

No I did not read the release notes because...  I was NOT intending to upgrade 
to F9!  I did accept the updates that the update notifier prompted for me to 
accept.

Perhaps I have mistakenly checked rawhide/dev repo... which is the only thing 
that can possibly make sense. 

Thanks to Rex for kindly pointing that out.

Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:07:32 Rex 
Dieter wrote:
> scm in seattle wrote:
> > I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> > distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> >
> > Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> > update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it
> > finished and I rebooted.
> >
> > My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4!
>
> Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?
> OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8. 
> We definitely would *not* do that.
>
> My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
> yum config.  ??  what does
> $ yum repolist
> say?
>
His subject says 'F8 -> F9' so presumably he did an upgrade without reading 
the release notes.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[das]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:02 -0430
"Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
> lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):

Is it Mailing list --> and increasingly elsewhere, or, Elsewhere -->
Mailing lists? 

Is it a mailing list or Short-Message-Servicing-list? 

If in that much hurry to write, why write at all? If it is typing speed: 
there always is good old gtypist.   

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17
> > This does not work for me.
> > 
> Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
> gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> first.
> 
> Mikkel
When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17


I get the following message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very
unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp
signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who
knew all about this.

Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.


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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Ian Malone]

Mike Burger wrote:

--- "Kevin J. Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



That's what some teachers got to do after the Network
became encrypted.  They took their computers to the
Administrator and he put the key in for them and they
are happily surfing.  Other teachers that seldom use
their laptops, brought it to school only to find out
that they cannot use the wireless network because it
has a new key that they need to put in to be able to
use it.  This happened without warning and some of my
colleagues are mad.  I do not know what to tell them.
I wish I knew more about wireless networking.


While I sympathize with their plight, in this regard, I do have note that
were I the networking supervisor, my sympathy would be limited.

I imagine that this person would have sent out numerous notices that they
would be implementing wireless encryption before doing so...as would be
standard practice (I could be wrong...this person may not have done so,
but I doubt that to be the case).



Given that a responsible person would have left important passwords with 
someone who wasn't away on holiday this might not be the case.


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Re: problem with totem

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > > hi all!
> > > 
> > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a
> recently 
> > > updated f9 box.
> > If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by
> totem-xine.
> > The executable is still called totem
> 
> There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
> library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend
> for
> the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna
> one.
> 
> poc 
I don't know either , but I do know totem has never worked for me and
totem-xine from livna did.
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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

Hi Rex,

yum repolist shows: Fedora - Rawhide...

My own doing surely while looking for some other package I required. I guess 
it's time to rebuild the installation, unless you have any other suggestions on 
how to recover this mess. Thanks for your help. 

Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: scm in seattle wrote:

Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?  
OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8.  We
definitely would *not* do that.

My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
yum config.  ??  what does
$ yum repolist
say?


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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
[...]
>it is the coolest thing
>next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.

English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step up 
was 
to bottled beer.

There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Arthur Pemberton]

2008/5/29 scm in seattle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No I did not read the release notes because...  I was NOT intending to
> upgrade to F9!  I did accept the updates that the update notifier prompted
> for me to accept.

Fedora may have bugs, but it doesn't auto update to a different version.

> Perhaps I have mistakenly checked rawhide/dev repo... which is the only
> thing that can possibly make sense.

If that is the problem, then there's no easy way back.

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Javier Perez]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
> "Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I cannot make a bootable USB drive.
>
> Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
> livecd-iso-to-disk?
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no
In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make it bootable as
part of the process. At least that is my
understanding.

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17

This does not work for me.


Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
first.

Mikkel

When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17


I get the following message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers 
configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through 
several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not 
sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using:

keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net


Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very
unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp
signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who
knew all about this.

Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.


Well, you could run (p)info gnupg or visit http://www.gnupg.org
There are also man pages for gpg... As far as verifying e-mail, 
there are probably plugins for your e-mail client. I am using one 
for Thunderbird.


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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Don Levey]

Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
[...]

it is the coolest thing
next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.


English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step up was 
to bottled beer.


There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...


What's wrong with mentioning *draft* beer?

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Todd Zullinger]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
> It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers
> configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through
> several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not
> sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using: keyserver
> hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net

Yes, hkp://subkeys.pgp.net works, it's what I have in my gpg config
and what was the default for a while.  With gnupg-1.4.9, the default
changed to hkp://keys.gnupg.net.

>> Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was
>> very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate
>> a pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at
>> people who knew all about this.

I think that was due to nature of the thread.  It wasn't started as a
"How to use PGP" thread.  Such a thread might be on topic here, though
it would fit better on the gnupg-users list.

>> Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.

Certainly, reading the fine manual first is probably the best step.
Then, if there are particular things that you have questions about,
ask away.  Use of PGP/GPG is a rather large subject.  I still remember
printing the manual from pgp 2.6.2 (100+ pages IIRC).  Things are a
lot easier to use now, though understanding the concepts behind it is
still very beneficial to make good use of it.

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RE: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[Daniel B. Thurman]

g wrote:
| Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
| > g wrote:
| > | dan,
| > |  this is not in thinking you do not know. only for those 
| who may not.
| > [snip!]
| > 
| > I think the "box" (folders/directory) layouts are
| > arbitrary, you can setup your structures as you desire.
| 
| nor did i imply otherwise.
|   yet i did hope to provoke other ways,

Understood.

| imap server:
| > I have "boxes" both under "Inbox" and outside of "Inbox".
| > I could have easily moved all by "Inbox" sub-boxes outside
| > of "Inbox" if I wanted to.
| 
| appearance of 'presort'? for self or others?

Just for self.  Outlook clients that connect to Exchange
is a per-user/system configuration and is not globally set.
I just happened to set it up in this way and stuck with
it ever since.  Note however, that you can create exchange
"rules" so that new email arrivals can be automatically
moved from "Inbox" into your pre-defined "boxes". It just
makes it easier for me to categorize/organize inbound email
messages.

| > The problem I ran into was that someone recommended
| > that I place an entry such as "\Global Address List"
| > in the "IMAP server directory" field and in that
| > case, a "top-level namespace" was created and it
| > automatically added sub-boxes under the "\Global
| > Address List", "Inbox", Trash", and "Junk". Clicking
| > on "Subscribe...", you may find that you cannot select
| > any existing "boxes" outside of your "IMAP server directory"
| > namespace, as I did.
| > 
| > My problem was solved by clearing the "IMAP server
| > directory" field and allowed me to "Subscribe..." to
| > all existing boxes in the global namespace.
| 
| ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?

No, it is not due to "ms ex 6" exclusively - it was setup
arbitrarily as explained earlier.
 
| > FWIW,
| 
| a lot if it helps later.

No problem!

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Bill Davidsen]

Javier Perez wrote:



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, das <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
"Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

 > I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
livecd-iso-to-disk?


 
no
In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make it bootable as 
part of the process. At least that is my

understanding.
 
In theory you used "fdisk -l" to see if the partition was bootable or 
not, how about the practice?



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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Bill Davidsen]

Mike Chambers wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:18 +, Tom Horsley wrote:

Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:


Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
driver?

There is a thread called "Today's Kernel is no good" and a few comments 
floating around. You might sit back and see if the new kernel becomes 
the "newer kernel."


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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Don Levey wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> it is the coolest thing
>>> next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.
>>
>> English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step
>> up was to bottled beer.
>>
>> There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...
>
>What's wrong with mentioning *draft* beer?
>
>  -Don

'Taint near as portable, at least till it is inside you.

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RE: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
| g wrote:
| | Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
[snip!]
| | ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?
| 
| No, it is not due to "ms ex 6" exclusively - it was setup
| arbitrarily as explained earlier.

Uh, I may have mis-read your statement. As for why the namespace
created used in "IMAP server directory", it seems to me that
a namespace "box" was created and excluded all global "boxes",
that, I am not sure why.  I just noted the behavior.  Maybe this
was intended by Thunderbird and not a function of "ms ex 6".
Again, I am not sure why.  It just is.

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>  gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17
> >>> This does not work for me.
> >>>
> >> Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
> >> gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> >> first.
> >>
> >> Mikkel
> > When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> > 
> > 
> > I get the following message:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> > gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
> > gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
> > gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
> > gpg: Total number processed: 0
> > 
> It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers 
> configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through 
> several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not 
> sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using:
> keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net
> 
You are absolutely correct. When I thought about it I realizwed that
ther server I want is: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net/ not
http://subkeys.pgp.net/, With that change the command works.. My bad.
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F9 Qemu: where does it store boot options for images

[Patrick]

Hi,

I'm playing with qemu and can't find where qemu stores the boot options
for images. I would like to tweak a few settings but I can't find where
to makes the changes. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Thanks!
Patrick

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Re: F9 - DPMS not working

[John Horne]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:30 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
> > power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
> > mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
> > as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
> > the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
> > an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
> > driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
> > problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.
> > 
> > Any ideas, suggestions?
> 
> Generate some traffic here:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661
> 
> and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver.  If you
> can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9
> in your comment.
> 
Not sure that will help. Now that I have installed the nvidia stuff, if
I run vesa again it reports as coming from nvidia, not from the Fedora
supplied one. I suspect the Fedora people will not accept that.


John.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:56 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean
> that they are conflicting in some way?

I don't think so. AFAIK the wifi0 is effectively a pseudo-interface on
top of eth0. Something to do with how the kernel drivers are
implemented, but don't take my word for it.

Anyone who knows more about this is welcome to jump in at this point :-)

poc

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Björn Persson]

Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:29 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> > What do you do if you encounter a key that's signed by both someone
> > you trust personally, *and* someone you don't trust?
>
> I suppose that would depend on whether that was:  You didn't know
> whether to trust them, or you distrusted them.

No.

If A's key is signed with B's key, and B's key is known to be valid, and you 
trust that B signs keys responsibly, then A's key is valid, period. Other 
signatures are completely irrelevant. Nobody can make a key invalid by 
signing it, no matter how evil or irresponsible or untrustworthy they are.

Björn Persson

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Re: USB Install Method?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:58 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> According the docs, there is a procedure for installing from a USB
> stick, but "Procedure 3.2 Creating Bootable USB Media from Linux"
> appears to be blank?
> 
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-making-media.html#id543953

The headings are screwed up. The Windows instructions are in the first
section, followed by the Linux instructions under the heading "Procedure
3.1: Creating Bootable USB Media with Windows". The section entitled
"Procedure 3.2. Creating Bootable USB Media with Linux" is blank.

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Mick M.]

> In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make
> it bootable as
> part of the process. At least that is my
> understanding.
> 
> JP
> 

Hi;
  as root do "fdisk -l"
Insert stick.
repeat "fdisk -l"

The new entry is your stick - say sdc1.
Now "fdisk /dev/sdc" - note drop the 1.
"p" to show the partition table.
If it is bootable there should be a "*" as the first char.
"a"
"1" for the first partition.
"p" star should be there now.
"w" to write it out.
done.





  

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Re: problem with totem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > > > hi all!
> > > > 
> > > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a
> > recently 
> > > > updated f9 box.
> > > If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by
> > totem-xine.
> > > The executable is still called totem
> > 
> > There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
> > library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend
> > for
> > the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna
> > one.
> > 
> > poc 
> I don't know either , but I do know totem has never worked for me and
> totem-xine from livna did.

The Fedora version works for me (including with commercial DVDs).

poc

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 01:48 +0530, das wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:02 -0430
> "Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
> > lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):
> 
> Is it Mailing list --> and increasingly elsewhere, or, Elsewhere -->
> Mailing lists? 

Some of it is originally Usenet, them mailing lists, then a wider
public.

> Is it a mailing list or Short-Message-Servicing-list? 
> 
> If in that much hurry to write, why write at all? If it is typing speed: 
> there always is good old gtypist.   

Well, I suggest you get used to it because it's not going away. Every
community has its jargon and this one is no exception.

poc

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Панов Сергей]

ДОСТАЛИ!!

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Les]

What is sick?
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 01:29 +0400, Панов Сергей wrote:
> ДОСТАЛИ

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f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Dario Lesca]

Hi, I try to rebuild hylafax on F9/x86_64, I have installer this
package:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum list |grep -i '++'
> bonnie++.x86_64  1.03a-9.fc9installed 
>   
> compat-gcc-34-c++.x86_64 3.4.6-9installed 
>   
> compat-libstdc++-296.i3862.96-140   installed 
>   
> compat-libstdc++-33.x86_64   3.2.3-63   installed 
>   
> gcc-c++.x86_64   4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> gcc-objc++.x86_644.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libsigc++20.x86_64   2.2.2-1.fc9installed 
>   
> libstdc++.x86_64 4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libstdc++.i386   4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libstdc++-devel.x86_64   4.3.0-8installed
> ...   

But when I run "rpmbuild --rebuild hylafax-4.4.4-1rhel5.src.rpm" I get
this error:

> Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).
> 
> Compilation of the following test program failed:
> 
> --
> #include "iostream.h"
> int main(){ cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0;}
> --
> 
> Usually this is because you do not have a standard C++ library
> installed on your system or you have installed it in a non-standard
> location.  If you do not have a C++ library installed, then you must
> install it.  If it is installed in a non-standard location, then you
> should configure the compiler so that it will automatically be found.
> 
> (For recent gcc releases this is libstdc++, for older gcc - libg++)

How I can remove this error?
Which package I have yet to install ?

Many thanks for help.

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Nicolae Ghimbovschi]

:)) A что ты ожидал ?
ты всегда можешь отписаться от fedora mail listing,
чтобы ничево не получать

добрый день !

2008/5/30 Панов Сергей <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
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Re: f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Jakub Jelinek]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:37:18AM +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:
> > Compilation of the following test program failed:
> > 
> > --
> > #include "iostream.h"
> > int main(){ cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0;}
> > --
> > 
> > Usually this is because you do not have a standard C++ library
> > installed on your system or you have installed it in a non-standard
> > location.  If you do not have a C++ library installed, then you must
> > install it.  If it is installed in a non-standard location, then you
> > should configure the compiler so that it will automatically be found.
> > 
> > (For recent gcc releases this is libstdc++, for older gcc - libg++)
> 
> How I can remove this error?

The above is not valid C++98, you need to use
#include 
using namespace std;
int main() { cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0; }

g++34 provides backwards support for deprecated pre-ISO C++ headers,
g++ doesn't any longer.
See http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/porting_to.html
"Removal of Pre-ISO headers" for more info.

Jakub

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