Re: Wiki Migration (Tuesday 05-26-2008)

[Bruno Wolff III]

On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:37:25 -0430,
  Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> I guess what's needed is a way to allow people to reply to list messages
> without being able to post new messages to the list. Obviously
> unworkable.
> 

If you mean reply to the sender, the correct way to do that is to use
mail-followup-to to redirect replies instead of munging the reply-to
header. If you do that 'reply' will reply to the sender and 'reply-all'
will reply to the addresses in the mail-followup-to header.

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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[Kevin Kofler]

John Minson  spawar.navy.mil> writes:
> On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
> and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
> obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .
> Any quick pointers ?

Surely the right solution is that the app itself should be registering in the 
menus on its own!

If the app is a Fedora package, file a bug against the package for the 
missing .desktop file, which is required according to:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Desktop_files

If it is a third-party application, complain to wherever you got the 
application from.

If it is your own application, have a look at xdg-desktop-menu, or package it 
as an RPM and have a look at the packaging guidelines as quoted above.

Kevin Kofler

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Re: ssh to a remote server via gateway server

[lux]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:24 AM, François Patte <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> Le 29.05.2008 14:11, lux a écrit :
>
> | Hi,
> | I routinely login a remote server via a 'gateway' machine. For example,
> | I need to login to PC B using ssh. But this PC B is behind a
> | firewall.ssh port on PC A is open.
> |
> | As a result, I have to login  PC A via ssh, then ssh PC B from PC A.
> |
> | Is there ssh command line option that I can directly ssh to PC B?
>
> I think that you have to make some firewall rules on your gw to allow
> NAT to PC B
>

I don't have control on the gw for NAT .


>
> I'm not sure that Mikkel's solution will work:
>
> "Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal"
>
> will be the error message.
>

Yes, I got the same error, as

Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal.
Host key verification failed.



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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Kevin Kofler]

scm in seattle  yahoo.com> writes:
> yum repolist shows: Fedora - Rawhide...

Then that must be it. Note that Rawhide is actually F10 pre-alpha, not F9, so 
no wonder it's buggy (but it has KDE 4.1 beta 1, so your complaints about 4.0 
are missing the point).

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thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm: installing under f8

[g]

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greetings,

thanks to all who provided links and mirrors for thunderbird.

pulled 'thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm' from several sites.
found it interesting how size varied between.

used 'yum', similar error on all 3.

+
Yum Version: 3.2.7
COMMAND: yum -v -y install thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm 2
Installroot: /
Ext Commands:
   thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm
   2
Reading Local RPMDB
Setting up Package Sacks
Setting up Install Process
Parsing package install arguments
Examining thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm: thunderbird - \
 2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386
Marking thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm to be installed
Building updates object
putting glibc in complex update
putting openssl in complex update
putting kernel in complex update
processing glibc.i686
processing openssl
processing kernel.i686
Checking for virtual provide or file-provide for 2
Searching pkgSack for dep: 2
No package 2 available.
Resolving Dependencies
1211917649.78
- --> Running transaction check

< snip >

looking for ('libz.so.1', None, (None, None, None)) as a requirement of \
thunderbird.i386 0-2.0.0.14-1.fc8 - u
- --> Finished Dependency Resolution
Dependency Process ending

Dependencies Resolved
1211917652.31


 Package  Arch  Version Repository   Size

Installing:
 thunderbird  i386  2.0.0.14-1.fc8  thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm  45 M

Transaction Summary

Install  1 Package(s)
Update   0 Package(s)
Remove   0 Package(s)

Total download size: 45 M
Downloading Packages:

Package thunderbird-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.i386.rpm is not signed
+

{{ pcoaa. thank you. }}

questions:

 1) do lines 2 and 6 have a '2' floating or is this an indicator?

 2) lines 20 -> 22 indicates need of 'package 2' for deps.
how is 'package 2' id'ed?
link to find?  { searching fedora and 2 mirrors showed no mention }

tia.

i do appreciate all of help that has feed back on and off list.

thanks again.

look out f9...


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Re: [Dovecot] Problem deleting folders with Thunderbird?

[Knute Johnson]

Michal Soltys wrote:

Scott Silva wrote:
You need to clear that checkbox with mbox storage for sure. It might 
be OK if you are using Maildir.




It works perfectly fine with Maildir.


So folders in folders works with Maildir?

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Re: gecko-mediaplayer?

[Knute Johnson]

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:05 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:

I installed F9 and was trying to listen to my favorite radio station
but I couldn't find mplayerplug-in.  Some of you said to get
gecko-mediaplayer instead.  I downloaded it with no problems and it
shows up in the plugins list but it doesn't work.  There is also a
Mozplugger at the top that appears not to be configured properly.


MozPlugger 1.10.1 handles QuickTime and Windows Media Player Plugin
File name: nswrapper_32_32.mozplugger.so
MozPlugger version 1.10.1, written by Fredrik Hübinette, Louis
Bavoil and Peter Leese.
For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the
man page. (type man mozplugger) 
Configuration file:

Not found!
Helper binary:
Not found!
Controller binary:
Not found!
It lists al the mime types below this and they are all enabled.  Any
ideas where to start trying to figure out why it doesn't work?


Try removing mozplugger. I don't have it and am not sure it's necessary
(plus it's apparently not configured correctly). Since it's at the top
of the plugin list it might be interfering with gecko-mediaplayer.

poc



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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Erich Zigler]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Matthew Saltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You should be able to use the vesa driver.  I think you enter "linux
> vesa" on the prompt line when you boot the installer.

The vesa driver works correctly. Thank you!

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Erich Zigler]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:58 PM, Matthew Saltzman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You should be able to use the vesa driver.  I think you enter "linux
> vesa" on the prompt line when you boot the installer.

The vesa driver works correctly. Thank you!

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Re: USB Install Method?

[Sean Bruno]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:58 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> > According the docs, there is a procedure for installing from a USB
> > stick, but "Procedure 3.2 Creating Bootable USB Media from Linux"
> > appears to be blank?
> > 
> > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-making-media.html#id543953
> 
> The headings are screwed up. The Windows instructions are in the first
> section, followed by the Linux instructions under the heading "Procedure
> 3.1: Creating Bootable USB Media with Windows". The section entitled
> "Procedure 3.2. Creating Bootable USB Media with Linux" is blank.
> 
> poc
> 

Ok, so using the information from Patrick I was able to use
"livecd-iso-to-disk" to turn the "boot.iso" file into a bootable USB
stick.

However, livecd-iso-to-disk requires a vfat or ext2-3 f/s.  Do I had to
run mkfs on the thumb drive first.

Sean

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Re: problem with totem

[Tim]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 17:44 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> The Fedora version works for me (including with commercial DVDs).

I never got very far with it.  But "commercial DVDs" isn't a very
precise definition.  For instance, some commercial discs are encrypted,
while others are not.

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Tim]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:23 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was
> very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a
> pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at
> people who knew all about this. 

Before you can make use of pgp in mail, you have to get pgp working.
After you've made your own keys, the next thing you'll need is the other
party's keys.  You've got to be able to manage getting them in some way.

*Then* you can move on to actually using them.  Though there's probably
a "understanding how the scheme works" process that you need to go
through, first, judging by your comments.

Start with the documentation, that's where most of the rest of us
started, and you're less likely to get given a bum steer by it.

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Re: F9/KDE4.0/Nvidia not running/Dual monitors ?

[Tim]

Todd Zullinger:
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Proprietary_.28third-party.29_video_drivers_do_not_work
 
Ric Moore:
>> All I get is a blank page. :) Ric

Rahul Sundaram:
> Fixed.

The page, itself, uses this URI:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Proprietary_.28third-party.29_video_drivers
The URI mentioned above doesn't point to any anchor on the page.

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:44 -0500, Erich Zigler wrote:
> Now if only the nv driver would work on my system long enough to just
> do the install I would be really happy.
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439609
> 
> Unfortunately the text based installer doesn't allow you to pick and
> choose your packages or I would use it.

You should be able to use the vesa driver.  I think you enter "linux
vesa" on the prompt line when you boot the installer.

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Re: Fedora 9 - Slow GUI Response

[Manish Kathuria]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 03:55 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote: 
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 08:19:10 -0400, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> 
> > Manish Kathuria wrote:
> >> I upgrade my existing Fedora 8 x86_64 installation to Fedora 9 using
> >> yum successfully but I am facing some problems related to the GUI. I
> >> use GNOME as the desktop environment and ever since I have upgraded to
> >> Fedora 9, the response time of the GUI has slowed. There is an
> >> increased delay when the windows are refreshed and when I change from
> >> one workspace to another one. The applications most frequently used by
> >> me include evolution, firefox, open office and the gnome terminal
> >> besides a few others and the delay is noticeable in case of all of
> >> them.
> >>
> >> I am using a Core 2 Duo based Dell Vostro laptop with a 15.4" LCD and
> >> an Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller
> >> and the display resolution is set at 1280 x 800 at 24 bits. The display
> >> adapter has been configured to use the "intel" driver.
> >>
> >> Has anyone experienced a similar problem or any such issue ? Any
> >> comments and suggestions ?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Manish
> >>
> >>
> > Best I can tell you is it seems to be a problem with the Intel video
> > driver, I have the same problem on my desktop machine with an Intel
> > driver ( mine is an Intel 82G965).
> > 
> > glxgears gets me roughly 1050 fps, pretty pitiful.  Unfortunately I
> > don't have a solution for you.
> > 
> > Jeff
> 
> Same here, onboard Intel 82865G, using the intel driver (as opposed to 
> i815 that it used before F9).  Slow but usable under compiz. Ok with 
> metacity (no games though).
> 
> glxgears 
> Failed to initialize TTM buffer manager.  Falling back to classic.
> 6199 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1239.664 FPS
> 2543 frames in 5.0 seconds = 508.400 FPS
> 2306 frames in 5.0 seconds = 461.152 FPS
> 2313 frames in 5.0 seconds = 462.475 FPS
> 2309 frames in 5.0 seconds = 461.644 FPS

Are any fixes expected in the near future ? There were a number of
updates yesterday but nothing related to X. 

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Re: F9/KDE4.0/Nvidia not running/Dual monitors ?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Ric Moore wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 00:22 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:

linuxguy wrote:

Why is the nvidia module throwing an error during boot ?  How do I fix
it ?

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Proprietary_.28third-party.29_video_drivers_do_not_work


All I get is a blank page. :) Ric


Fixed.

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Re: F9/KDE4.0/Nvidia not running/Dual monitors ?

[Ric Moore]

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 00:22 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> linuxguy wrote:
> > Why is the nvidia module throwing an error during boot ?  How do I fix
> > it ?
> 
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/Common#Proprietary_.28third-party.29_video_drivers_do_not_work

All I get is a blank page. :) Ric

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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app' -work around

[charles f. zeitler]

--- John Minson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


-
This link does not address what I'm trying to do.

I create a bash script that runs /some/dir/XYZ.sh . I used to be ableto add an 
arbitrary icon to
my  panel that invokes it .I can in factopen the file manager and drag 
/some/dir/XYZ.sh into the
panel but Icannot modify the icon representing it.



Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:  
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:54 -0400, John Minson wrote:  
  
On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' and 
give it any icon I
wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism obviously is different on 
Fedora 9/KDE 4 .Any
quick pointers ?


can't say it's pretty-


K/Applications/Settings/Menu Editor
create a menu item for /some/dir/XYZ.sh ( with yer choice of icons )
right click on new menu item, add to panel.
you should now be able to change the icon...

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Javier Perez]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Javier Perez wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, das <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>>On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
>>"Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
>>
>> > I cannot make a bootable USB drive.
>>
>>Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
>>livecd-iso-to-disk?
>>
>
>   no
>> In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make it bootable as
>> part of the process. At least that is my
>> understanding.
>>
>>
> In theory you used "fdisk -l" to see if the partition was bootable or not,
> how about the practice?
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Ok I just arrived back home.
In practice it was marked as bootable.
I downloaded the testdisk program and noticed a couple of interesting
things.

As I said, my flash drive is a Kingston Data Traveler 8GB

Look at this extract of the created log
TestDisk 6.9, Data Recovery Utility, February 2008
Christophe GRENIER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://www.cgsecurity.org
Linux version (ext2fs lib: 1.40.8, ntfs lib: 10:0:0, reiserfs lib: none, ewf
lib: 2)
Hard disk list
Disk /dev/sda - 163 GB / 152 GiB - CHS 19929 255 63, sector size=512 - ATA
Maxtor 6L160P0
Disk /dev/sdb - 250 GB / 232 GiB - CHS 30401 255 63, sector size=512 - ATA
WDC WD2500BB-55R
Disk /dev/sdc - 8011 MB / 7640 MiB - CHS 1021 247 62, sector size=512 -
Kingston DataTraveler 2.0

Disk /dev/sdc - 8011 MB / 7640 MiB - Kingston DataTraveler 2.0
Partition table type: Intel

Analyse Disk /dev/sdc - 8011 MB / 7640 MiB - CHS 1021 247 62
Geometry from i386 MBR: head=16 sector=32
BAD_RS LBA=32 62
FAT32 at 0/0/33
Info: size boot_sector 15646688, partition 15646688
FAT1 : 2256-17511
FAT2 : 17512-32767
start_rootdir : 32768 root cluster : 2
Data : 32768-15646687
sectors : 15646688
cluster_size : 8
no_of_cluster : 1951740 (2 - 1951741)
fat_length 15256 calculated 15248
heads/cylinder 16 (FAT) != 247 (HD)
sect/track 32 (FAT) != 62 (HD)
*Current partition structure:
Warning: Incorrect number of heads/cylinder 16 (FAT) != 247 (HD)
Warning: Incorrect number of sectors per track 32 (FAT) != 62 (HD)
 1 * FAT32 LBA0   0 33  1021 179 28   15646688 [LITTLE OWL]
*

I wonder if that might have something to do with it? maybe if I reformat and
repartition the drive
This inconsistency might be what makes the drive non bootable, because maybe
the BIOS is
expecting something (cylinders, heads) and the drive is givng it something
that it cannot make sense of.

JP

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EDAC i5000 NON-FATAL ERRORs

[Jack Howarth]

   I noticed that after upgrading the kernel on a Fedora 7 x86_64
box is the latest kernel (the box hadn't been rebooted for some months)
that I am now seeing the following in my messages log...

May 25 04:30:56 fourier kernel: EDAC i5000 MC0: NON-FATAL ERRORS Found!!! 1st 
NON-FATAL Err Reg= 0x1
May 25 04:30:56 fourier kernel: EDAC MC0: CE row 1, channel 0, label "": 
(Branch=0 DRAM-Bank=3 RDWR=Read RAS=14339 CAS=672, CE Err=0x1)

These messages always occur on DRAM-Bank 3 and are always NON-FATAL. The 
messages appear roughly once
an hour and are rarely repeated immediately. This machine contains a Tyan 
Tempest i5000XL motherboard
with ECC memory installed. Does anyone know if the recent kernels had any 
changes which made these
motherboard chipset report ECC memory errors which were not reported in the 
past? I haven't been
able to reproduce these errors in memtest86 yet with or without ECC. So I am 
wondering if I am seeing
noise from the EDAC driver or real ECC errors. Thanks in advance for any 
insights on this.
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Re: gecko-mediaplayer?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:05 -0700, Knute Johnson wrote:
> I installed F9 and was trying to listen to my favorite radio station
> but I couldn't find mplayerplug-in.  Some of you said to get
> gecko-mediaplayer instead.  I downloaded it with no problems and it
> shows up in the plugins list but it doesn't work.  There is also a
> Mozplugger at the top that appears not to be configured properly.
> 
> 
> MozPlugger 1.10.1 handles QuickTime and Windows Media Player Plugin
> File name: nswrapper_32_32.mozplugger.so
> MozPlugger version 1.10.1, written by Fredrik Hübinette, Louis
> Bavoil and Peter Leese.
> For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the
> man page. (type man mozplugger) 
> Configuration file:
> Not found!
> Helper binary:
> Not found!
> Controller binary:
> Not found!
> It lists al the mime types below this and they are all enabled.  Any
> ideas where to start trying to figure out why it doesn't work?

Try removing mozplugger. I don't have it and am not sure it's necessary
(plus it's apparently not configured correctly). Since it's at the top
of the plugin list it might be interfering with gecko-mediaplayer.

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[das]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 17:45:38 -0400
Bill Davidsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In theory you used "fdisk -l" to see if the partition was bootable or 
> not, how about the practice?

Thank you for that. These days mailing lists are becoming progressively
more drab to read without these touches of wit.

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gecko-mediaplayer?

[Knute Johnson]

I installed F9 and was trying to listen to my favorite radio station but 
I couldn't find mplayerplug-in.  Some of you said to get 
gecko-mediaplayer instead.  I downloaded it with no problems and it 
shows up in the plugins list but it doesn't work.  There is also a 
Mozplugger at the top that appears not to be configured properly.



   MozPlugger 1.10.1 handles QuickTime and Windows Media Player Plugin

   File name: nswrapper_32_32.mozplugger.so
   MozPlugger version 1.10.1, written by Fredrik Hübinette, Louis
   Bavoil and Peter Leese.
   For documentation on how to configure mozplugger, check the man
   page. (type man mozplugger)
   Configuration file:  Not found!
   Helper binary:   Not found!
   Controller binary:   Not found!

It lists al the mime types below this and they are all enabled.  Any 
ideas where to start trying to figure out why it doesn't work?


Thanks,

knute...

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Tom Horsley]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 18:44:17 -0500
"Erich Zigler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Unfortunately the text based installer doesn't allow you to pick and
> choose your packages or I would use it.

You can use "yum search" to get a list of matching packages,
then "yum install" to install exactly the one you want once
you know the full names.

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Re: Fedora 9 nfs and autofs instable?

[David L]

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 1:05 AM, David Jansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Since switching to fedora 9 (fresh install, no upgrade), both nfs and
> autofs seem to crash on an almost daily basis.
> nfs mountd is just gone, no errors in the logs. autofs is even more
> enigmatic: the daemon is still running, but nothing gets mounted untill
> I restart the service. And here also, nothing is mentioned in the logs.
>



>
> has anyone else seen such crashes, and does anyone know a solution or a
> way to learn more about the problem?


David,

I have seen autofs crash twice today.  The service was stopped though,
so it's not exactly the same symptom as what you are seeing.  I don't
have a solution or even a clue as to why it keeps crashing.  I filed a
bugzilla bug report:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=449041


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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Erich Zigler]

Now if only the nv driver would work on my system long enough to just
do the install I would be really happy.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439609

Unfortunately the text based installer doesn't allow you to pick and
choose your packages or I would use it.

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Re: f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 29/05/2008 alle 18.49 -0400, Jakub Jelinek ha scritto:

> The above is not valid C++98, you need to use
> #include 
> using namespace std;
> int main() { cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0; }
> 
> g++34 provides backwards support for deprecated pre-ISO C++ headers,
> g++ doesn't any longer.
> See http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/porting_to.html
> "Removal of Pre-ISO headers" for more info.

Ok.

I have produce the follow patch to original hylafax-4.4.4-1.src.rpm
( ftp://ftp.hylafax.org/binary/linux/redhat/SRPMS/hylafax-4.4.4-1rhel5.src.rpm )
and rebuild the package without error.

Thanks Jakub

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ diff -Naur rpmbuild-old/ rpmbuild
> diff -Naur rpmbuild-old/SOURCES/c++.patch rpmbuild/SOURCES/c++.patch
> --- rpmbuild-old/SOURCES/c++.patch  1970-01-01 01:00:00.0 +0100
> +++ rpmbuild/SOURCES/c++.patch  2008-05-30 01:15:56.0 +0200
> @@ -0,0 +1,13 @@
> +diff -Naur old/hylafax-4.4.4/configure hylafax-4.4.4/configure
> +--- old/hylafax-4.4.4/configure2007-11-21 15:45:23.0 +0100
>  hylafax-4.4.4/configure2008-05-30 01:15:53.0 +0200
> +@@ -1418,7 +1418,8 @@
> + CheckForCXXRuntime()
> + {
> + cat>t.c++< +-#include "iostream.h"
> ++#include 
> ++using namespace std;
> + int main(){ cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0;}
> + EOF
> + runMake t "t:; \${C++F} \${C++FILE} t.c++${MAKECXXOVERRIDE}"
> diff -Naur rpmbuild-old/SPECS/hylafax.spec rpmbuild/SPECS/hylafax.spec
> --- rpmbuild-old/SPECS/hylafax.spec 2007-10-19 15:23:37.0 +0200
> +++ rpmbuild/SPECS/hylafax.spec 2008-05-30 01:21:27.0 +0200
> @@ -44,7 +44,7 @@
>  %define ostag sles%{sles_version}
>  %endif
>  
> -%define release 1%{ostag}
> +%define release 2%{ostag}
>  %define serial  %(echo `date +%Y%m%d`)
>  
>  %define faxspool%{_var}/spool/hylafax
> @@ -73,6 +73,7 @@
>  Source11:  hylafax_FaxDispatch
>  Source12:  hylafax_jobcontrol.sh
>  Source13:  hylafax_sysconfig
> +Patch14:   c++.patch
>  
>  BuildPrereq: libjpeg-devel, libtiff-devel, zlib-devel
>  Requires:ghostscript >= 5.5
> @@ -97,6 +98,7 @@
>  
>  %prep
>  %setup -q
> +%patch14 -p1
>  
>  %build
>  # - Can't use the configure macro because HylaFAX configure script does
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ 

Hope this help someone.

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Re: Fedora 9 nfs and autofs instable?

[Bill Davidsen]

David Jansen wrote:

Since switching to fedora 9 (fresh install, no upgrade), both nfs and
autofs seem to crash on an almost daily basis. 
nfs mountd is just gone, no errors in the logs. autofs is even more

enigmatic: the daemon is still running, but nothing gets mounted untill
I restart the service. And here also, nothing is mentioned in the logs.

So, when I noticed this, I have switched SELinux off, but the results
are still the same, this morning both services were again not working.

The thing I suspect is my rsync backup script, which runs at night and
makes heavy use of nfs mounted directories.

has anyone else seen such crashes, and does anyone know a solution or a
way to learn more about the problem?

I hasve not seen any indications of problems in that area, but I do 
backups over ssh. I do have a lot of heavily used filesystems mounted 
and used, and a fair bunch of ISO images exported, and I haven't had an 
issue of any kind.


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Re: Fedora 9 and Security

[Bill Davidsen]

Amadeus W.M. wrote:

On Thu, 29 May 2008 01:02:12 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:


Because the answer in 99.99% cases is "uh ??"



Or: "OK, let me chose the default".

Why even ask the question - if you know what you are doing you can
change it later on.



What if you don't know what you're doing, but simply do not want the newly 
introduced feature X for whatever reason? 


We don't go around asking

Preferred Emailer
What inode size should we use on ext3 Adjust raid readahead


so why ask about what to most users are internal details about how we
make sure their data reappears next reboot ?



Where do you draw the line? Is "which ports do you want to open in the 
firewall" less technical? Is creating custom partitions less technical? 
How about package selection? We do have a choice there (for now). 

Incidentally and for my own understanding: I am able to mount/umount 
/dev/sdaX and such, if I wanted to, so the system can and does know the 
partitions by labels. Why do I have to see the UUID garbage in /etc/fstab 
though? This is not a rant, it's an actual question. 

The system does not know partitions by label. Partitions don't have 
labels (unless they're elements of an md array and have something in the 
superblock). Partitions have device names, but they can change, drives 
are named by the order of detection. So you can't always count on the 
device name.


Filesystems have labels, and unlike partition device names or UUIDs, 
they need not be unique, so two installs on different drives or 
partitions can leave you with two filesystems names "/".


Only the UUID is (a) not going to change and (b) not going to be 
duplicated by anything like normal system operation. It is therefore the 
least likely to lead to an unwanted learning experience.


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Re: Fedora 9 and Security

[Bill Davidsen]

Andras Simon wrote:

On 5/28/08, Alan Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You can use uuids, labels or device names. Nothing has changed there. The
defaults the installer uses have changed, and it makes no sense for the
installer to ask new users questions like

Use UUID, LABEL or device name ?"


How about old users? Perhaps in this new-user-friendly form:

"Use UUID (recommended), LABEL or device name ?"

Disclaimer: I've never heard of uuids before. But perhaps it'd make
sense for those of us who are using older releases of Fedora, have
several partitions, and would like to install F9 in a separate
partition so we can go back to F8 or F7 in case something goes
wrong, to chose LABEL.

Unless the new install has the same LABEL as one of the old ones. I know 
three people who have been bitten by using LABEL and getting duplicates, 
the beauty of UUID is that you won't get a dup with multiple installs, 
you won't copy a filesystems only or off of a USB drive and plug the 
drive with the old duplicate name back in a year later.


UUID is ugly, but useful.


Because the answer in 99.99% cases is "uh ??"



Or: "OK, let me chose the default".

And the reason it's default is that it's least likely to fail if the 
user starts replugging drives, moving them, etc.


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Re: More Qlogic driver madness.

[Albert Graham]

Mark Haney wrote:
This is really getting silly.  How is it possible that an initrd will 
not USE the firmware included with it to allow me to initialize my 
Qlogic FC card?  I've built my own, I've read everything I can about 
initrd and initramfs and I'm still stuck.  Are there tools included 
with Fedora that let me edit/muck initramfs settings?  Or do I have to 
roll my own?


I just don't get it, between FC6 2.6.20 and 2.6.22 kernels in FC6 this 
capability was broken and no one's complained?  I'm really very 
tempted to file a bug report on this for F8 and hope it gets fixed 
that way, since I'm unable to find an answer.



Mark,

Try something like,

1. Add your qlogic entries to your /etc/modprobe.conf (so that step 3 
below will include and load the drivers)


2. Backup your current initrd image

   mv /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img mv /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img-OLD

3. Create a new initrd

   mkinitrd  -v /boot/initrd-$(uname -r).img $(uname -r)

If the card has a newer firmware version than the driver, it should not 
use the driver version - normally.


Question: Why the need to build your own - they are included in Fedora, 
check with:


ls -la /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/scsi/qla*

Albert.


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Re: f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Dario Lesca]

Il giorno gio, 29/05/2008 alle 18.49 -0400, Jakub Jelinek ha scritto:

> The above is not valid C++98, you need to use
> #include 
> using namespace std;
> int main() { cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0; }
> 
> g++34 provides backwards support for deprecated pre-ISO C++ headers,
> g++ doesn't any longer.
> See http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/porting_to.html
> "Removal of Pre-ISO headers" for more info.

Ok, thank Jakub, but now, how I can rebuild hylafax?

I must patch hylafax (but i'm not a 'C++' guru) or there are other
solution?

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Re: F9 - DPMS not working

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 22:56 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:30 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
> > > power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
> > > mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
> > > as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
> > > the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
> > > an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
> > > driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
> > > problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas, suggestions?
> > 
> > Generate some traffic here:
> > 
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661
> > 
> > and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver.  If you
> > can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9
> > in your comment.
> > 
> Not sure that will help. Now that I have installed the nvidia stuff, if
> I run vesa again it reports as coming from nvidia, not from the Fedora
> supplied one. I suspect the Fedora people will not accept that.

Nope.  But you can remove the nvidia stuff (I think by running
nvidia-installer, if you didn't install the Livna packages) and set up
the vesa driver again.

> 
> 
> John.
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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Sam Varshavchik]

scm in seattle writes:


Hi Rex,

yum repolist shows: Fedora - Rawhide...

My own doing surely while looking for some other package I required. I 
guess it's time to rebuild the installation, unless you have any other 
suggestions on how to recover this mess. Thanks for your help. 


Well, it should be possible to recover, but it is not going to be easy.

/var/log/yum.log should have a nice hairball that lists all the packages 
that got upgraded. You'll need to take that list, grab the most recent 
versions of these packages from F8 updates, or F8 base, then shove them in 
with rpm -U --oldpackage.


This will work only if two conditions are met:

1) The KDE packages have not been refactored: that is a package being 
replaced or merged by another package of the same name. If so, you'll need 
to backtrack and identify the previous name of the corresponding package, 
and apply the necessary rpm voodoo to force-uninstall the new package, and 
install the old one as part of the upgrade.


2) That KDE 4 did not obliterate your old KDE 3 configuration settings, and 
when you go back KDE won't go bonkers because of unrecognized configuration 
settings. If so, you'll need to trawl through your home directory and nuke 
all the hidden dot-directories that store KDE configuration. That should 
reset KDE to its default configuration settings, and you'll need to manually 
apply restore what you had configured before.


I'm sure that this is possible and a reinstall is not necessary, but it 
won't be easy. Consider it a learning experience. Recovering from a botched 
upgrade is a valuable skill, that you will eventually have to put to use.


On one of my laptops, an upgrade from F8 to F9 crapped about at about a 90% 
mark with some obnoxious Anaconda traceback. The option to save the 
traceback for diagnostics was utterly useless. It harassed me for a network 
host+port, and login/password info, without divulging even a shred of a clue 
as to what exactly it wanted: an HTTP server address, with authorization 
information, ssh login parameters, ftp login parameters, or whatever. After 
giving up an attempt to save some diagnostics for a subsequent Bugzilla 
entry, I rebooted and restarted the F9 installer.


Restarting the upgrade in F9's installer didn't do anything. It did not want 
to upgrade anything.


Rebooting into F9 revealed an utterly barfed system. X couldn't start, and 
complained about some missing module. A royal mess. Eventually, I concluded 
that about 100 packages, out of 1000+ were completely uninstalled. Gone. No 
trace of them in the rpm database, and the files were uninstalled. Swell. 
Fortunately I had a custom daily cron job that saved the list of installed 
packages, from that I slapped together a script to identify the list of 
missing packages, then assemble the list of files on the F9 DVD that I 
needed to install. That fixed it.


So, this is an excellent opportunity for you to learn how to recover a 
bolloxed upgrade job, yourself. Good luck.




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Re: f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Jakub Jelinek]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 12:37:18AM +0200, Dario Lesca wrote:
> > Compilation of the following test program failed:
> > 
> > --
> > #include "iostream.h"
> > int main(){ cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0;}
> > --
> > 
> > Usually this is because you do not have a standard C++ library
> > installed on your system or you have installed it in a non-standard
> > location.  If you do not have a C++ library installed, then you must
> > install it.  If it is installed in a non-standard location, then you
> > should configure the compiler so that it will automatically be found.
> > 
> > (For recent gcc releases this is libstdc++, for older gcc - libg++)
> 
> How I can remove this error?

The above is not valid C++98, you need to use
#include 
using namespace std;
int main() { cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0; }

g++34 provides backwards support for deprecated pre-ISO C++ headers,
g++ doesn't any longer.
See http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/porting_to.html
"Removal of Pre-ISO headers" for more info.

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Nicolae Ghimbovschi]

:)) A что ты ожидал ?
ты всегда можешь отписаться от fedora mail listing,
чтобы ничево не получать

добрый день !

2008/5/30 Панов Сергей <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ДОСТАЛИ!!
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f9: x86_64: Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).

[Dario Lesca]

Hi, I try to rebuild hylafax on F9/x86_64, I have installer this
package:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# yum list |grep -i '++'
> bonnie++.x86_64  1.03a-9.fc9installed 
>   
> compat-gcc-34-c++.x86_64 3.4.6-9installed 
>   
> compat-libstdc++-296.i3862.96-140   installed 
>   
> compat-libstdc++-33.x86_64   3.2.3-63   installed 
>   
> gcc-c++.x86_64   4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> gcc-objc++.x86_644.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libsigc++20.x86_64   2.2.2-1.fc9installed 
>   
> libstdc++.x86_64 4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libstdc++.i386   4.3.0-8installed 
>   
> libstdc++-devel.x86_64   4.3.0-8installed
> ...   

But when I run "rpmbuild --rebuild hylafax-4.4.4-1rhel5.src.rpm" I get
this error:

> Missing C++ runtime support for g++ (/usr/bin/g++).
> 
> Compilation of the following test program failed:
> 
> --
> #include "iostream.h"
> int main(){ cout << "Hello World!" << endl; return 0;}
> --
> 
> Usually this is because you do not have a standard C++ library
> installed on your system or you have installed it in a non-standard
> location.  If you do not have a C++ library installed, then you must
> install it.  If it is installed in a non-standard location, then you
> should configure the compiler so that it will automatically be found.
> 
> (For recent gcc releases this is libstdc++, for older gcc - libg++)

How I can remove this error?
Which package I have yet to install ?

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Les]

What is sick?
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 01:29 +0400, Панов Сергей wrote:
> ДОСТАЛИ

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Re: fedora-list Digest, Vol 51, Issue 243

[Панов Сергей]

ДОСТАЛИ!!

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 01:48 +0530, das wrote:
> On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:02 -0430
> "Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
> > lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):
> 
> Is it Mailing list --> and increasingly elsewhere, or, Elsewhere -->
> Mailing lists? 

Some of it is originally Usenet, them mailing lists, then a wider
public.

> Is it a mailing list or Short-Message-Servicing-list? 
> 
> If in that much hurry to write, why write at all? If it is typing speed: 
> there always is good old gtypist.   

Well, I suggest you get used to it because it's not going away. Every
community has its jargon and this one is no exception.

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Re: problem with totem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:25 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > > > hi all!
> > > > 
> > > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a
> > recently 
> > > > updated f9 box.
> > > If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by
> > totem-xine.
> > > The executable is still called totem
> > 
> > There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
> > library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend
> > for
> > the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna
> > one.
> > 
> > poc 
> I don't know either , but I do know totem has never worked for me and
> totem-xine from livna did.

The Fedora version works for me (including with commercial DVDs).

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Mick M.]

> In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make
> it bootable as
> part of the process. At least that is my
> understanding.
> 
> JP
> 

Hi;
  as root do "fdisk -l"
Insert stick.
repeat "fdisk -l"

The new entry is your stick - say sdc1.
Now "fdisk /dev/sdc" - note drop the 1.
"p" to show the partition table.
If it is bootable there should be a "*" as the first char.
"a"
"1" for the first partition.
"p" star should be there now.
"w" to write it out.
done.





  

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Re: USB Install Method?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:58 -0700, Sean Bruno wrote:
> According the docs, there is a procedure for installing from a USB
> stick, but "Procedure 3.2 Creating Bootable USB Media from Linux"
> appears to be blank?
> 
> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-making-media.html#id543953

The headings are screwed up. The Windows instructions are in the first
section, followed by the Linux instructions under the heading "Procedure
3.1: Creating Bootable USB Media with Windows". The section entitled
"Procedure 3.2. Creating Bootable USB Media with Linux" is blank.

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Björn Persson]

Tim wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:29 +0100, Bill Crawford wrote:
> > What do you do if you encounter a key that's signed by both someone
> > you trust personally, *and* someone you don't trust?
>
> I suppose that would depend on whether that was:  You didn't know
> whether to trust them, or you distrusted them.

No.

If A's key is signed with B's key, and B's key is known to be valid, and you 
trust that B signs keys responsibly, then A's key is valid, period. Other 
signatures are completely irrelevant. Nobody can make a key invalid by 
signing it, no matter how evil or irresponsible or untrustworthy they are.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 14:56 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean
> that they are conflicting in some way?

I don't think so. AFAIK the wifi0 is effectively a pseudo-interface on
top of eth0. Something to do with how the kernel drivers are
implemented, but don't take my word for it.

Anyone who knows more about this is welcome to jump in at this point :-)

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Re: F9 - DPMS not working

[John Horne]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:30 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
> > power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
> > mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
> > as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
> > the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
> > an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
> > driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
> > problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.
> > 
> > Any ideas, suggestions?
> 
> Generate some traffic here:
> 
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661
> 
> and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver.  If you
> can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9
> in your comment.
> 
Not sure that will help. Now that I have installed the nvidia stuff, if
I run vesa again it reports as coming from nvidia, not from the Fedora
supplied one. I suspect the Fedora people will not accept that.


John.

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F9 Qemu: where does it store boot options for images

[Patrick]

Hi,

I'm playing with qemu and can't find where qemu stores the boot options
for images. I would like to tweak a few settings but I can't find where
to makes the changes. Anyone care to enlighten me?

Thanks!
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Re: PGP signatures.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 15:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
>  gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17
> >>> This does not work for me.
> >>>
> >> Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
> >> gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> >> first.
> >>
> >> Mikkel
> > When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> > 
> > 
> > I get the following message:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> > gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
> > gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
> > gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
> > gpg: Total number processed: 0
> > 
> It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers 
> configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through 
> several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not 
> sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using:
> keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net
> 
You are absolutely correct. When I thought about it I realizwed that
ther server I want is: hkp://subkeys.pgp.net/ not
http://subkeys.pgp.net/, With that change the command works.. My bad.
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RE: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[Daniel B. Thurman]

Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
| g wrote:
| | Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
[snip!]
| | ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?
| 
| No, it is not due to "ms ex 6" exclusively - it was setup
| arbitrarily as explained earlier.

Uh, I may have mis-read your statement. As for why the namespace
created used in "IMAP server directory", it seems to me that
a namespace "box" was created and excluded all global "boxes",
that, I am not sure why.  I just noted the behavior.  Maybe this
was intended by Thunderbird and not a function of "ms ex 6".
Again, I am not sure why.  It just is.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Don Levey wrote:
>Gene Heskett wrote:
>> On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> it is the coolest thing
>>> next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.
>>
>> English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step
>> up was to bottled beer.
>>
>> There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...
>
>What's wrong with mentioning *draft* beer?
>
>  -Don

'Taint near as portable, at least till it is inside you.

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Bill Davidsen]

Mike Chambers wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:18 +, Tom Horsley wrote:

Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:


Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
driver?

There is a thread called "Today's Kernel is no good" and a few comments 
floating around. You might sit back and see if the new kernel becomes 
the "newer kernel."


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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Bill Davidsen]

Javier Perez wrote:



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, das <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> wrote:


On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
"Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:

 > I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
livecd-iso-to-disk?


 
no
In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make it bootable as 
part of the process. At least that is my

understanding.
 
In theory you used "fdisk -l" to see if the partition was bootable or 
not, how about the practice?



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RE: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[Daniel B. Thurman]

g wrote:
| Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
| > g wrote:
| > | dan,
| > |  this is not in thinking you do not know. only for those 
| who may not.
| > [snip!]
| > 
| > I think the "box" (folders/directory) layouts are
| > arbitrary, you can setup your structures as you desire.
| 
| nor did i imply otherwise.
|   yet i did hope to provoke other ways,

Understood.

| imap server:
| > I have "boxes" both under "Inbox" and outside of "Inbox".
| > I could have easily moved all by "Inbox" sub-boxes outside
| > of "Inbox" if I wanted to.
| 
| appearance of 'presort'? for self or others?

Just for self.  Outlook clients that connect to Exchange
is a per-user/system configuration and is not globally set.
I just happened to set it up in this way and stuck with
it ever since.  Note however, that you can create exchange
"rules" so that new email arrivals can be automatically
moved from "Inbox" into your pre-defined "boxes". It just
makes it easier for me to categorize/organize inbound email
messages.

| > The problem I ran into was that someone recommended
| > that I place an entry such as "\Global Address List"
| > in the "IMAP server directory" field and in that
| > case, a "top-level namespace" was created and it
| > automatically added sub-boxes under the "\Global
| > Address List", "Inbox", Trash", and "Junk". Clicking
| > on "Subscribe...", you may find that you cannot select
| > any existing "boxes" outside of your "IMAP server directory"
| > namespace, as I did.
| > 
| > My problem was solved by clearing the "IMAP server
| > directory" field and allowed me to "Subscribe..." to
| > all existing boxes in the global namespace.
| 
| ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?

No, it is not due to "ms ex 6" exclusively - it was setup
arbitrarily as explained earlier.
 
| > FWIW,
| 
| a lot if it helps later.

No problem!

Dan

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Todd Zullinger]

Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
>
> It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers
> configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through
> several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not
> sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using: keyserver
> hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net

Yes, hkp://subkeys.pgp.net works, it's what I have in my gpg config
and what was the default for a while.  With gnupg-1.4.9, the default
changed to hkp://keys.gnupg.net.

>> Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was
>> very unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate
>> a pgp signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at
>> people who knew all about this.

I think that was due to nature of the thread.  It wasn't started as a
"How to use PGP" thread.  Such a thread might be on topic here, though
it would fit better on the gnupg-users list.

>> Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.

Certainly, reading the fine manual first is probably the best step.
Then, if there are particular things that you have questions about,
ask away.  Use of PGP/GPG is a rather large subject.  I still remember
printing the manual from pgp 2.6.2 (100+ pages IIRC).  Things are a
lot easier to use now, though understanding the concepts behind it is
still very beneficial to make good use of it.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Don Levey]

Gene Heskett wrote:

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
[...]

it is the coolest thing
next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.


English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step up was 
to bottled beer.


There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...


What's wrong with mentioning *draft* beer?

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17

This does not work for me.


Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
first.

Mikkel

When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17


I get the following message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

It looks like ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf may not have the keyservers 
configured correctly. I know I kept the same config file through 
several updates, and the keyservers were no longer valid. I am not 
sure if hkp://subkeys.pgp.net would work. I am using:

keyserver hkp://wwwkeys.us.pgp.net


Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very
unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp
signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who
knew all about this.

Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.


Well, you could run (p)info gnupg or visit http://www.gnupg.org
There are also man pages for gpg... As far as verifying e-mail, 
there are probably plugins for your e-mail client. I am using one 
for Thunderbird.


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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Javier Perez]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:58 PM, das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
> "Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I cannot make a bootable USB drive.
>
> Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
> livecd-iso-to-disk?
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no
In theory the livecd_to_usb  program was supposed to make it bootable as
part of the process. At least that is my
understanding.

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Arthur Pemberton]

2008/5/29 scm in seattle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> No I did not read the release notes because...  I was NOT intending to
> upgrade to F9!  I did accept the updates that the update notifier prompted
> for me to accept.

Fedora may have bugs, but it doesn't auto update to a different version.

> Perhaps I have mistakenly checked rawhide/dev repo... which is the only
> thing that can possibly make sense.

If that is the problem, then there's no easy way back.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 29 May 2008, Marc Ferguson wrote:
[...]
>it is the coolest thing
>next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.

English Muffins better than sliced bread?  I always thought the next step up 
was 
to bottled beer.

There is of course one that's better yet, but this IS a mixed list...

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

Hi Rex,

yum repolist shows: Fedora - Rawhide...

My own doing surely while looking for some other package I required. I guess 
it's time to rebuild the installation, unless you have any other suggestions on 
how to recover this mess. Thanks for your help. 

Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: scm in seattle wrote:

Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?  
OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8.  We
definitely would *not* do that.

My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
yum config.  ??  what does
$ yum repolist
say?


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Re: problem with totem

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:24 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > > hi all!
> > > 
> > > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a
> recently 
> > > updated f9 box.
> > If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by
> totem-xine.
> > The executable is still called totem
> 
> There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
> library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend
> for
> the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna
> one.
> 
> poc 
I don't know either , but I do know totem has never worked for me and
totem-xine from livna did.
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Re: how to find WEP/WPA key to network if possible

[Ian Malone]

Mike Burger wrote:

--- "Kevin J. Cummings" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:



That's what some teachers got to do after the Network
became encrypted.  They took their computers to the
Administrator and he put the key in for them and they
are happily surfing.  Other teachers that seldom use
their laptops, brought it to school only to find out
that they cannot use the wireless network because it
has a new key that they need to put in to be able to
use it.  This happened without warning and some of my
colleagues are mad.  I do not know what to tell them.
I wish I knew more about wireless networking.


While I sympathize with their plight, in this regard, I do have note that
were I the networking supervisor, my sympathy would be limited.

I imagine that this person would have sent out numerous notices that they
would be implementing wireless encryption before doing so...as would be
standard practice (I could be wrong...this person may not have done so,
but I doubt that to be the case).



Given that a responsible person would have left important passwords with 
someone who wasn't away on holiday this might not be the case.


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Re: PGP signatures.

[Aaron Konstam]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Aaron Konstam wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> >> gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17
> > This does not work for me.
> > 
> Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
> gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
> first.
> 
> Mikkel
When I run: gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17


I get the following message:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
gpg: requesting key 1E1C9C17 from http server subkeys.pgp.net
gpgkeys: no key data found for http://subkeys.pgp.net/
gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
gpg: Total number processed: 0

Let me share that to me the whole discussion of PGP signatures was very
unenlightening. I have no idea how to sign e-mail or validate a pgp
signed e-mail All the discussion seemed to me to be aimed at people who
knew all about this.

Before anyone gets offended let me admit you might reply RTFM.


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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[das]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:15:02 -0430
"Patrick O'Callaghan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
> lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):

Is it Mailing list --> and increasingly elsewhere, or, Elsewhere -->
Mailing lists? 

Is it a mailing list or Short-Message-Servicing-list? 

If in that much hurry to write, why write at all? If it is typing speed: 
there always is good old gtypist.   

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

No I did not read the release notes because...  I was NOT intending to upgrade 
to F9!  I did accept the updates that the update notifier prompted for me to 
accept.

Perhaps I have mistakenly checked rawhide/dev repo... which is the only thing 
that can possibly make sense. 

Thanks to Rex for kindly pointing that out.

Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:07:32 Rex 
Dieter wrote:
> scm in seattle wrote:
> > I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> > distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> >
> > Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> > update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it
> > finished and I rebooted.
> >
> > My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4!
>
> Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?
> OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8. 
> We definitely would *not* do that.
>
> My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
> yum config.  ??  what does
> $ yum repolist
> say?
>
His subject says 'F8 -> F9' so presumably he did an upgrade without reading 
the release notes.

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Re: updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[das]

On Thu, 29 May 2008 14:13:25 -0500
"Javier Perez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Did you try fdisk to make the partition bootable before using
livecd-iso-to-disk? 

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USB Install Method?

[Sean Bruno]

Back in the mists of time, there used to be a "diskimage.img" in the
distribution that you could "dd" to a USB stick and boot the installer
of Fedora.  Then you could install via the network or whatever.

The README in images on the x86_64 DVD ISO references diskimage.img, but
the file is AWOL on the image.

According the docs, there is a procedure for installing from a USB
stick, but "Procedure 3.2 Creating Bootable USB Media from Linux"
appears to be blank?

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f9/en_US/sn-making-media.html#id543953

Is there still a USB installable method for those of us with a DVD?

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Anne Wilson]

On Thursday 29 May 2008 20:07:32 Rex Dieter wrote:
> scm in seattle wrote:
> > I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> > distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> >
> > Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> > update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it
> > finished and I rebooted.
> >
> > My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4!
>
> Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?
> OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8. 
> We definitely would *not* do that.
>
> My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
> yum config.  ??  what does
> $ yum repolist
> say?
>
His subject says 'F8 -> F9' so presumably he did an upgrade without reading 
the release notes.

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Re: ssh to a remote server via gateway server

[François Patte]

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| I routinely login a remote server via a 'gateway' machine. For example,
| I need to login to PC B using ssh. But this PC B is behind a
| firewall.ssh port on PC A is open.
|
| As a result, I have to login  PC A via ssh, then ssh PC B from PC A.
|
| Is there ssh command line option that I can directly ssh to PC B?

I think that you have to make some firewall rules on your gw to allow
NAT to PC B

I'm not sure that Mikkel's solution will work:

"Pseudo-terminal will not be allocated because stdin is not a terminal"

will be the error message.

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updating USB flash drive MBR to allow boot

[Javier Perez]

Hi
I hae a Kingston Data Traveller USB flash drive (8GB) which for some reason
I cannot make a bootable USB drive.

Googling around I came up with this information:


-Some USB flash drives are notorious for having problems with corrupted
master boot records.
Credit goes to BHSPitMonkey for pointing out this fix. The troubled drive
encountered
was a Kingston Data Traveler 2GB unit-

I think this makes my unit highly suspect.

The solution in Ubuntu was

we will install the mbr package and use it to create the new mbr on the USB
flash drive


1. Type *sudo apt-get install mbr*
  2. Type *fdisk -l* to find out which device is your flash drive
  3. Type *install-mbr /dev/sdx* (replacing x with your flash device)

My question is how do we do this with Fedora?
I already tried out the install-live-to-usb thingy and it did not work.

In fact the section in installing the mbr is blank at
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD/USBHowTo

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Todd Zullinger]

scm in seattle wrote:
> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only
> distro that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of
> the update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when
> it finished and I rebooted.

KDE4 is not in F8 updates.  So you didn't perform any sort of typical
update.  You upgraded your install to F9.  And if you did that, you'd
have checked the release notes to see that KDE 4 replaces KDE 3 in F9.

> KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission
> of the user. Ever. Period. 

It's not.  Calm down.  If you upgrade to a release that includes KDE 4
by default, you don't get to act shocked that it has -- GASP! -- KDE
4.

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Tom Horsley]

> > Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
> > I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
> > intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:
> 
> Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
> having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
> use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
> driver?

I see both kmod-nvidia and akmod-nvidia. Possibly the akmod version
is the one that uses dkms (or something like it) to build the proper
kernel driver at boot time if necessary, but I'm not entirely
certain about that.

I usually just wait a day after a new kernel comes out and the new
livna module has usually shown up by then.

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Rex Dieter]

scm in seattle wrote:

> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro
> that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished
> and I rebooted.
> 
> My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! 

Oops, wait you say you're still on F8?  
OK, that *is* a problem.  See, there is no kde4 desktop provided for F8.  We
definitely would *not* do that.

My guess is that you inadvertantly enabled rawhide/development repo in your
yum config.  ??  what does
$ yum repolist
say?

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Re: F8 -> F9 horror

[Rex Dieter]

scm in seattle wrote:

> I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro
> that supported my laptop (fairly) well.
> 
> Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the
> update concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished
> and I rebooted.
> 
> My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! Not only that but X won't
> start because the previously installed Theme cannot be found. Oh and a
> minor issue - my net card no longer works.
> 
> I'd like to point out that KDE4, by it's own authors is not intended to be
> for mainstream use:
> 
> http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

opensuse != upstream kde

> "KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters, not every KDE 3.5
> user...

True, fedora is all about innovation and early adoption of technologies, and
isn't for everyone.

> KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission of the
> user. Ever. Period.

Good, keep using your tried-and-true KDE-3.5 on F8.  
Was getting KDE4 on F9 a surprise?  I thought we had done a pretty good job
of shouting from the rooftops.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Robert Cahn]

I have updated my desktop using the 64-bit desktop of F9 from F7.  My
wireless is described by:

00:0a.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset
(rev 01)
Subsystem: Netgear MA311 802.11b wireless adapter
Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 32, IRQ 18
Memory at e9005000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci

Under F7 the wireless connected without any issues.

The I'm using plain old WEP on the access point.  When I attempt to connect
the first NM pip turns green immediately but the second pip never does.
Eventually I'm asked for the WEP key.  Entering it again does no good.  I've
used system-config-network to statically enter the WEP key and specify the
SSID.  Nothing works.  I've never been able to connect under F9.

I notice that I'm never asked to unlock the keyring as I was under F5 and
F7.  Are there any other suggestions as to what I can try?

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 2:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
> >
> > 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
> > chipset
> > (rev 01)
> > Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
> > Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> > Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
> > Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> > Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
> > Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
> >
> > What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
> > guessing my
> > wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
> > thing is
> > everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
> > network though.
>
> You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
> (already detected and loaded by the kernel).
>
> Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
> should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
> chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
> correctly :-)
>
> Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
> Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.
>
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Hi,

I did the "iwlist scan" and I noticed it did scans for: lo, eth1, wifi0,
eth0, irda0, and pan0.  My wireless device, according to Network
Configuration is eth0.  I find that weird; in prior distros wireless devices
where labeled wlan0, wlan1, etc.

The scan did pick up something for wifi0 and eth0.  Does that mean that they
are conflicting in some way?  Overall; it looks like NetworkManager isn't
playing nice with my wireless card and I'll have to do manual scans and
configuring in order to get it to work?
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F8 -> F9 horror

[scm in seattle]

I have been using F8 for a while now and simply put it was the only distro that 
supported my laptop (fairly) well.

Today I accepted what appeared to be 'typical' updates. The size of the update 
concerned me slightly (500Mb) but turned to horror when it finished and I 
rebooted.

My useful KDE3 system has been replaced by KDE4! Not only that but X won't 
start because the previously installed Theme cannot be found. Oh and a minor 
issue - my net card no longer works.

I'd like to point out that KDE4, by it's own authors is not intended to be for 
mainstream use:

http://en.opensuse.org/KDE4

"KDE 4.0 is only expected to be used by early adopters, not every KDE 3.5 user 
(and IMHO KDE 4.0 shouldn't be pushed onto other user types like planned for 
Kubuntu ShipIt [btw said to have only 6 months support for its packages])."

But pushed (more like shoved) I was and I now have a completely unusable, 
broken system that I have reply upon daily for development.  Everyone is 
jumping on the KDE4 band-wagon but the wagon is missing three wheels. This is a 
complete disaster of a decision to make KDE4 the default install and sets-back 
Linux for anyone but the 'bleeders'.

KDE4 should NEVER be installed over KDE without explicit permission of the 
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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 13:57 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> What does IMHO mean?  I've got desktop effects and it is the coolest
> thing next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.

IMHO = In My Humble Opinion

You need to learn your net jargon :-) Other common acronyms on mailing
lists (and increasingly elsewhere as well):

BTW = By The Way
AFAIK = As Far As I Know
IIRC = If I Remember Correctly

For an exhaustive treatise on this stuff, see http://catb.org/jargon/

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Today's kernel is no good

[kwhiskerz]

kernel-2.6.25.4-30.f9 won't boot.

I get error, EXT3-fs: Unrecognized mount option "auto" or missing value, and 
as a result, /selinux, /sys, etc are not created and the system hangs.

Yet, fstab seems fine and the previous kernels all worked and the last one 
still does.

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:20 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> Excellent, thanks for that info.  Here is the result of lspci:
> 
> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
> chipset
> (rev 01)
> Subsystem: Actiontec Electronics Inc Unknown device 2406
> Flags: bus master, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 11
> Memory at f800 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=4K]
> Capabilities: [dc] Power Management version 2
> Kernel driver in use: hostap_pci
> Kernel modules: orinoco_pci, hostap_pci
> 
> What can I learn from this info?  Based on all the threads I'm
> guessing my
> wireless card isn't completely compatible with Fedora 9.  The funny
> thing is
> everything works except for making the actual connection to a wireless
> network though.

You have a Wavelan chipset, which should work using the Orinoco driver
(already detected and loaded by the kernel).

Now try 'iwlist scan' (again, as root). If the card works physically you
should see a list of nearby access points. That means there is a strong
chance of being able to get it to work, you just have to configure it
correctly :-)

Also, make sure the radio is physically turned on! On some laptops (e.g.
Toshibas) there's a small switch to turn it on and off.

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Re: Public folders

[Antonio M]

2008/5/29 Mark Haney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Antonio M wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
>> computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
>> directory I get an error (File or object not found)
>> Both computer are running on F9.
>> Any explanation???
>
> Okay, I'm a little unclear on what you mean?  How are you transferring them?
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yes..some explanation must be given.

If I open on my desktop the window of Public Shares I see all files
and folders as any other window of any other local folderI can
copy from Public Shares of a remote computer to any local folder only
files, and not foldres...
For your understanding, I needed to synchronize two PC not at the same
time, so I decided to move one folder to a Public Share on my main PC,
then I tried to copy to to-be-synchronized computer.

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Re: F9 - DPMS not working

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
> power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
> mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
> as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
> the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
> an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
> driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
> problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.
> 
> Any ideas, suggestions?

Generate some traffic here:

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661

and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver.  If you
can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9
in your comment.

Team Fedora won't help with the nVidia driver issue.  For that, check
out the nVidia fora.

> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> John.
> 
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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[Anne Wilson]

Please don't top-post.  It makes threads difficult to follow.

On Thursday 29 May 2008 19:04:29 John Minson wrote:
>  This link does not address what I'm trying to do.
>
>  I create a bash script that runs /some/dir/XYZ.sh . I used to be able to
> add an arbitrary icon to my  panel that invokes it .I can in fact open the
> file manager and drag /some/dir/XYZ.sh into the panel but I cannot modify
> the icon representing it.
>
You must understand that a lot (indeed most) of KDE 4 is work-in-progress.  
There are many things that do not yet have the functionality we are used to.  
It is the future, so we need to start learning about it now, but improvements 
are being made almost daily.

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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[John Minson]

This link does not address what I'm trying to do.

I create a bash script that runs /some/dir/XYZ.sh . I used to be able
to add an arbitrary icon to my  panel that invokes it .I can in fact
open the file manager and drag /some/dir/XYZ.sh into the panel but I
cannot modify the icon representing it.



Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:54 -0400, John Minson wrote:
  
  
On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .
Any quick pointers ?

  
  
See the thread starting at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg01731.html

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Rex Dieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> kwhiskerz wrote:
>
> > Rex Dieter wrote:
> >
> > IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
> > stick with the defaults. :)
> >
> > Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)
>
> heh, you don't *have* to do anything.  Tinker to your heart's content, it's
> your box afterall.  Of course, if anything breaks, you get to keep the
> pieces.  :)
>
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What does IMHO mean?  I've got desktop effects and it is the coolest thing
next to slice bread... or better yet, English Muffins.
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F9 - DPMS not working

[John Horne]

Hello,

Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter
power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5
mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled,
as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and
the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly
an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa
driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the
problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem.

Any ideas, suggestions?


Thanks,

John.

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Re: Public folders

[Mark Haney]

Antonio M wrote:

I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
directory I get an error (File or object not found)
Both computer are running on F9.
Any explanation???


Okay, I'm a little unclear on what you mean?  How are you transferring them?


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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Marc Ferguson]

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:22 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > > >
> > > > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > > >
> > > > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin).
> /sbin/lspci
> > > > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > > >
> > > > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > > >
> > > > Better is
> > > >
> > > > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > > >
> > > > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > > > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > > > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > > > and /usr/sbim ones.
> > >
> > > Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when
> you
> > > want it the other way round.
> >
> > Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
> > these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.
> >
> > If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
> > problem.
>
> Correct.
>
> poc
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Yes I did log into root without the hyphen.  Once I logged in using:

su -

I am able to use ifconfig, iwconfig, lspci, etc.  I did post the results of
lspci, but I'm unclear what to do with the information in it.  It doesn't
look like an error occurred, but then again, I don't know what I'm looking
at.  Thanks.

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Re: Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[Rex Dieter]

kwhiskerz wrote:

> Rex Dieter wrote:
> 
> IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
> stick with the defaults. :)
> 
> Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)

heh, you don't *have* to do anything.  Tinker to your heart's content, it's
your box afterall.  Of course, if anything breaks, you get to keep the
pieces.  :)

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Public folders

[Antonio M]

I don't understand why I am able to transfer between Public folders of
computer of my network...but when I try to transfer a complete
directory I get an error (File or object not found)
Both computer are running on F9.
Any explanation???
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Re: Fedora 9/KDE 4 'non kde app'

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:54 -0400, John Minson wrote:
> On all earlier versions of Fedora/kde I was able to add a 'non kde app' 
> and give it any icon I wanted . I suspect I still can but the mechanism 
> obviously is different on Fedora 9/KDE 4 .
> Any quick pointers ?

See the thread starting at
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2008-May/msg01731.html

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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:22 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > 
> > > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > > 
> > > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > > 
> > > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > > 
> > > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> > > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > > 
> > > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > > 
> > > Better is 
> > > 
> > > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > > 
> > > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > > and /usr/sbim ones.
> > 
> > Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when you
> > want it the other way round.
> 
> Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
> these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.
> 
> If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
> problem.

Correct.

poc

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Re: problem with totem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 10:11 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 11:29 +0530, Amitakhya Phukan wrote:
> > hi all!
> > 
> > totem has suddenly stopped its sound output. any help ? it is a recently 
> > updated f9 box.
> If its available for f9 from livna I would replace totem by totem-xine.
> The executable is still called totem

There is a totem-xine for F9 in Fedora, which consists of a single
library. The description is "This package provides the xine backend for
the Totem media player." I don't know if it's the same as the Livna one.

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Re: livna nvidia at last!

[Mike Chambers]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 12:18 +, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Downloaded the latest kmod-nvidia from livna this morning, and finally
> I can run my monitor at the 1920x1200 resolution God (or DELL, anyway)
> intended it to run at. Still have to add the bogus driver option:

Upgraded to newer kernel in test and the driver no longer works.  Not
having used livna's mods hardly, is there an rpm that will automake or
use the newer kernel without having to reinstall and/or rebuild the
driver?

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Re: repository for thunderbird [solved] + structuring boxes

[g]

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Daniel B. Thurman wrote:
> g wrote:
> | dan,
> |  this is not in thinking you do not know. only for those who may not.
> [snip!]
> 
> I think the "box" (folders/directory) layouts are
> arbitrary, you can setup your structures as you desire.

nor did i imply otherwise.
  yet i did hope to provoke other ways,

imap server:
> I have "boxes" both under "Inbox" and outside of "Inbox".
> I could have easily moved all by "Inbox" sub-boxes outside
> of "Inbox" if I wanted to.

appearance of 'presort'? for self or others?

> The problem I ran into was that someone recommended
> that I place an entry such as "\Global Address List"
> in the "IMAP server directory" field and in that
> case, a "top-level namespace" was created and it
> automatically added sub-boxes under the "\Global
> Address List", "Inbox", Trash", and "Junk". Clicking
> on "Subscribe...", you may find that you cannot select
> any existing "boxes" outside of your "IMAP server directory"
> namespace, as I did.
> 
> My problem was solved by clearing the "IMAP server
> directory" field and allowed me to "Subscribe..." to
> all existing boxes in the global namespace.

ok. but i am at wonder why, or is it due to ms ex 6?

> FWIW,

a lot if it helps later.


later.


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Re: Fc 7 installs- not Fc 8

[g]

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05/27/2008 12:38 AM -- Dave Stevens wrote:
> Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>
>> After formatting the HD, I tried to install Fc 8 by a DVD, but failed.I was
>> able to do it with Fc 7 (a DVD).
>>
> please explain the error message when the install failed.
>
> Dave

05/27/2008 12:44 AM -- g wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 20:34 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> After formatting the HD, I tried to install Fc 8 by a DVD, but
>> failed.I was able to do it with Fc 7 (a DVD).
> 
> format during or before install?
> 
> what failed where?
> 
> [before, during, after] [format, install, reboot]???
> 
>> Why it is so.
> 
> it does happen.

05/27/2008 08:21 AM -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> HD was formatted and the install process was started.The error message in
> the case of Fc8 was that there was no operating system.
>
> Fc 7 installed without any hitch.

and,,,
 this error message appeared when? which? where?

as in what part of install? ai, no operating system to install?
 or,
during reboot? ai, no operating system to boot?

long and short of it, aka, in other words,

terse is for command line input, detail is for obtaining help.

no grafix screen capture please.  ;0)


btw, pxd. i tried an install to disk of 'f9-pre-kde'. i had a good
laugh when i tried to boot it and 3 - 4 lines after 'boot menu wipe',
last line was no operating system found. sure enough, when i booted
f8 and check 'f9-pre-kde' partition, sure enough, nothing at all...

installation congratulated me too,
  and all that other happy feeling stuff.

t4, excuse my delay. had to rebuild and chop out f8 to get back on.

later.

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Re: F9: libusb & palm syncing not working

[Peter Boy]

Am Montag, den 19.05.2008, 11:37 -0700 schrieb Brian Mury:
> I am trying to get my Palm M130 working with F9 using libusb. When I
> start the hotsync, /var/log/messages shows this:
> 
> May 19 11:32:41 localhost kernel: hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device 
> on port 3


may bi the culprit. See

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=446845 




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Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting

[Matthew Saltzman]

On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 08:18 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 05:15 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote:
> > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it:
> > > > 
> > > > PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
> > > 
> > > I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to
> > > execute. It's a list of directories to look in.
> > > 
> > > lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci
> > > etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile:
> > > 
> > > PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH
> > 
> > Better is 
> > 
> > PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin
> > 
> > There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin
> > and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently.  If you are a
> > regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin
> > and /usr/sbim ones.
> 
> Yes, but in the context of the question I'm assuming he's root, when you
> want it the other way round.

Fair enough, but if he really is *logged in* as root (in a login shell),
these should be in his path already.  That's set in /etc/profile.

If he su'd to root without the - (--login) option that would explain his
problem.

> 
> poc
> 
> 
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Yeah, I have desktop effects:

[kwhiskerz]

Rex Dieter wrote:

IMHO, if you don't know what these mean, what they do, or their impact,
stick with the defaults. :)

Sheesh! You mean I have to turn them all off again? :-)

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Re: PGP signatures.

[Mikkel L. Ellertson]

Aaron Konstam wrote:

On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 16:48 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:

gpg --list-keys 1E1C9C17

This does not work for me.


Do you have her key in your key ring? If not, you have to run
gpg --recv-keys 1E1C9C17
first.

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