Fedora Weekly News Issue 130
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Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
Am Montag, 9. Juni 2008 10:55:42 schrieb Pavel Shevchuk: I'm pretty sure people who really want to contribute can do it without loudmouth letters, bringing some artwork instead. i have no idea about doing artwork, but very encouraging, really :P -- Jörg Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 theme proposal - Fedora Borealis reloaded
Joachim Frieben wrote: Back when the F7 default theme was under planning, a vote placed the Borealis theme proposal second to the winning Planet theme and in front of the Flying High theme which would become the F7 theme later on. I am greatly in favour of picking up this great theme again. A cute mockup can be found at: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_FC7Themes_Fc7ThemeProposalFedoraBorealis_fc7themeproposal-fedoraborealis-gtkmetacity-mock1.png Then feel free to add it as a formal proposal (with a dedicated wiki page in the F10 themes space) Moreover, the designer ist still around which is an advantage, too .. ;o)~j That if she didn't move on and still have interest in it. Anyway, if you want to run this theme proposal formally, consider refreshing it a bit. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bear with me -- medium\long term project
Frank Murphy wrote: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/duffy-coat-arms.htm And then we can choose our favorite weapon, song, sidekick and go kicking some zombie asses? :D :D :D (Used your coat as example, hope you don't mind Mo) After looking at the doyle\murphy coats our hallway wall. Had an idea for a concept wallpaper for fedora (not for f10) Knight on a charger, framed in foliage\trees. With the heraldic shield licentia vox vocis infinitio I would like this to be a group effort, rather than a frank effort. To help keep the old ego in line. Will do a quickie sketch of what am considering. during the week, depending on the time. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
i have no idea about doing artwork, but very encouraging, really :P Me too, that's why i took Mairin's and Martin's graphics and wrote script files around them making splash and login theme. I really wanted to make KDE4 nicer, and i succeeded (well, i hope so) 2008/6/9 JoergSimon [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Am Montag, 9. Juni 2008 10:55:42 schrieb Pavel Shevchuk: I'm pretty sure people who really want to contribute can do it without loudmouth letters, bringing some artwork instead. i have no idea about doing artwork, but very encouraging, really :P -- Jörg Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JoergSimon Key Fingerprint: 3691 0989 2DCA 58A2 8D1F 2CAC C823 558E 5B5B 5688 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://scwlab.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
Sorry for being cheeky asshole, but #2 in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#How_to_Join should be removed, or at least swapped with #3. What's the ratio of people who send introduction letters, and artists who actually contribute something, or at least try hard? I didn't send any introduction letters, i just spent an evening animating splash with my curly hands and sub-zero (not to be confused with cool) gimp skillz, and second revision of it now welcomes kde4 users in sulphur, right after kdm theme, i've hacked up a bit later with help of Martin. Contributing to fedora is easy, joining IRC to show off some drafts or concepts and receive critics is even easier. I'm pretty sure people who really want to contribute can do it without loudmouth letters, bringing some artwork instead. With best regards to people who do more and talk less. Curly-handed, but attempting to beautify fedora. Stalwart. -- http://scwlab.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bear with me -- medium\long term project
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:07 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/duffy-coat-arms.htm And then we can choose our favorite weapon, song, sidekick and go kicking some zombie asses? :D :D :D This ain't no windmill chase :), Frank ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Group photo
Frank Murphy wrote: The only photo I have up webwise ia an ancient one circa mid 80's. http://www.frankly3d.com/family/family.html Ha, ha, ha! I have a photo response, an about 10 years old photo of mine, complete with military uniform and Kalashnikov: http://nicubunu.ro/pictures/army/army02_1.jpg Might get the missus to do a quick snap, as have very few if any recent. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:55 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Sorry for being cheeky asshole, but #2 in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#How_to_Join should be removed, or at least swapped with #3. What's the ratio of people who send introduction letters, and artists who actually contribute something, or at least try hard? This is Open to correction: but I think it's on the wiki somwhere, that those without oss skills could\would\should be mentored. I didn't send any introduction letters, i just spent an evening animating splash with my curly hands and sub-zero (not to be confused with cool) gimp skillz, and second revision of it now welcomes kde4 users in sulphur, right after kdm theme, i've hacked up a bit later with help of Martin. Contributing to fedora is easy, joining IRC to show off some drafts or concepts and receive critics is even easier. I'm pretty sure people who really want to contribute can do it without loudmouth letters, bringing some artwork instead. As a recent lister, there should be a welcome for those who have at least got the courage to intro themselves. As it is hard to provide an example created with the programs, unless one asks for the help \knowledge to do so. There are a myriad of artists out there, who maybe just need that bit of encouragement to take up the oss armour (no pun Nico), and a get on with it, in this case may not be the best approach. Currently am printing out the inkscape manual by Tavmjong Bah, am getting there, but it's a slow road for me, I sleep a lot (http://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/) Even a weak bulb may help the overall neon lighting. Frank Skype: Frankly3D http://www.frankly3d.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Sorry for being cheeky asshole, but #2 in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#How_to_Join should be removed, or at least swapped with #3. What's the ratio of people who send Not sure, I think we want to befriend to each other, form a community and such. Communication is key, be it on the list, on IRC, on our blogs and sites like flickr or deviantArt. Spend some time together, know each other and maybe we will work better as a team. There is also the old way: subscribe to the list, lurk for a while to get familiar with the project, make a few small comments and go bit time into work when if feel comfortable. introduction letters, and artists who actually contribute something, or at least try hard? First, there is a large number of membership requests in FAS (the Fedora Account System). I sent an introductory message tot he applicants, inviting them tot he list and show the DesignService queue. Only a few of them follow with an introduction and *some* of them get past the introduction I actively delete the request not followed after 2 weeks, but so far I deleted only the requests with no introduction. I still have to act on those with *only* an introduction and nothing else (not even an email after they got a welcome message on the list as reply to the introduction). I didn't send any introduction letters, i just spent an evening animating splash with my curly hands and sub-zero (not to be confused with cool) gimp skillz, and second revision of it now welcomes kde4 users in sulphur, right after kdm theme, i've hacked up a bit later with help of Martin. Contributing to fedora is easy, joining IRC to show off some drafts or concepts and receive critics is even easier. I'm pretty sure people who really want to contribute can do it without loudmouth letters, bringing some artwork instead. Yup, and that worked great for you. Some other people may need a bit of hand-holding, so for they the talk part may be useful. But at some point they should do some work, we are not a social network. With best regards to people who do more and talk less. Even more when we have a lot of projects in need for contributors (like the Echo theme development) Curly-handed, but attempting to beautify fedora. Stalwart. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
Frank Murphy wrote: Currently am printing out the inkscape manual by Tavmjong Bah, am getting there, but it's a slow road for me, I sleep a lot (http://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/) I hope what you are printing is the draft for the new version (0.16, documenting Inkscape 0.46), as it shows a lot of new features: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL_v14Draft/html/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bear with me -- medium\long term project
Frank Murphy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:07 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/duffy-coat-arms.htm And then we can choose our favorite weapon, song, sidekick and go kicking some zombie asses? :D :D :D This ain't no windmill chase :), I was joking about the running meme from Planet Fedora. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Bear with me -- medium\long term project
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:40 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:07 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/duffy-coat-arms.htm And then we can choose our favorite weapon, song, sidekick and go kicking some zombie asses? :D :D :D This ain't no windmill chase :), I was joking about the running meme from Planet Fedora. Just saw that now he he ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: Currently am printing out the inkscape manual by Tavmjong Bah, am getting there, but it's a slow road for me, I sleep a lot (http://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/) I hope what you are printing is the draft for the new version (0.16, documenting Inkscape 0.46), as it shows a lot of new features: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL_v14Draft/html/ Not sure. gulp Frank ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Hello; my introduction
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Brian and Carl, Welcome! You may have noticed we have a requirement that you must fulfill before we can approve your request to join the Fedora art group in the Fedora account system: Complete a small design task such as one at the design service queue or email the fedora-art-list mailing list to be assigned a task. [1] You will find a few open requests at the design service queue that you could use to fulfill this requirement: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService You can claim the one you'd like to work on on the wiki directly. Alternatively, you can also design some mockups for the Fedora 10 artwork themes that have been proposed: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes Don't hesitate to let us know if you have questions or need help. We look forward to working with you and seeing your progress! Or maybe an Echo icon: https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/IconThemeStatus [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#First_Steps Note: those introductions are follow-ups to my introductory emails send to FAS account requesters. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introduction
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 15:29 -0300, Carl Ellement wrote: Hello! My name is Carl Ellement, from Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada. I am interested in contributing artwork to the Fedora project, and becoming a contributing member of the artTeam. I have some digital art production experience, mainly with adobe products in a windows environment. I am anxious to learn more about Linux and open source software and I feel I have much to offer! Hi Carl, It's good to have you on the Artwork team. I'm not one of the artists here, but I always like to see new, enthusiastic folks with something to offer. The Artwork team does everything here with open source tools and an open process, and hopefully this will give you a chance to try out some of the great tools available in Linux. I think there have been a couple of other introductions in the past few days, so you can look at those responses as well for some pointers on where to get started. I think I can speak for the Artwork team when I say welcome aboard! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0300 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Jedsen wrote: I did this up in inkscape and gimp. Let me know what you think. http://omploader.org/vaXZw/growth.png Feel free to use the wiki [1] for uploading such images, its easier for everybody to keep track of the proposals when going from one round to another. [1] - in this case, the page would be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Eden I uploaded a proposed image at the wiki. Feedback is much appreciated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Eden_proposed.jpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 06:40 -0700, Brian Jedsen wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0300 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I uploaded a proposed image at the wiki. Feedback is much appreciated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Eden_proposed.jpg Put it on a dual-setup (not-withstanding) a widescreen would pull the globe elliptical, maybe a single screener can verify? not too sure personally whether the yellowish tint does anything Do you have an svg that could be played with? Frank ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:40:24 +0100 Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 06:40 -0700, Brian Jedsen wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0300 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I uploaded a proposed image at the wiki. Feedback is much appreciated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Eden_proposed.jpg Put it on a dual-setup (not-withstanding) a widescreen would pull the globe elliptical, maybe a single screener can verify? not too sure personally whether the yellowish tint does anything Do you have an svg that could be played with? Frank I'd have to re-do the tree in Inkscape for the svg, but creating a wide-screen or dual-screen version will not be very difficult. I'll have something uploaded to the wiki soon. Thanks, Brian ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora-art-list Digest, Vol 27, Issue 16
I really like the eden proposed image, It looks amazing, but it needs to be much much bigger. Keep up the good work. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 9:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Send Fedora-art-list mailing list submissions to fedora-art-list@redhat.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Fedora-art-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist? (Frank Murphy) 2. Re: Introduction (Paul W. Frields) 3. Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth (Brian Jedsen) 4. Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth (Frank Murphy) 5. Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth (Brian Jedsen) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:48:38 +0100 From: Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Introductions are stupid. Let artwork speak for artist? To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Frank Murphy wrote: Currently am printing out the inkscape manual by Tavmjong Bah, am getting there, but it's a slow road for me, I sleep a lot (http://www.narcolepsy.org.uk/) I hope what you are printing is the draft for the new version (0.16, documenting Inkscape 0.46), as it shows a lot of new features: http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL_v14Draft/html/ Not sure. gulp Frank -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 10:12:53 + From: Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Introduction To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers. fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 15:29 -0300, Carl Ellement wrote: Hello! My name is Carl Ellement, from Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada. I am interested in contributing artwork to the Fedora project, and becoming a contributing member of the artTeam. I have some digital art production experience, mainly with adobe products in a windows environment. I am anxious to learn more about Linux and open source software and I feel I have much to offer! Hi Carl, It's good to have you on the Artwork team. I'm not one of the artists here, but I always like to see new, enthusiastic folks with something to offer. The Artwork team does everything here with open source tools and an open process, and hopefully this will give you a chance to try out some of the great tools available in Linux. I think there have been a couple of other introductions in the past few days, so you can look at those responses as well for some pointers on where to get started. I think I can speak for the Artwork team when I say welcome aboard! -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/attachments/20080609/b28424d1/attachment.bin -- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 06:40:45 -0700 From: Brian Jedsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth To: fedora-art-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0300 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian Jedsen wrote: I did this up in inkscape and gimp. Let me know what you think. http://omploader.org/vaXZw/growth.png Feel free to use the wiki [1] for uploading such images, its easier for everybody to keep track of the proposals when going from one round to another. [1] - in this case, the page would be http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Eden I uploaded a proposed image at the wiki. Feedback is much appreciated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Eden_proposed.jpg -- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:40:24 +0100 From: Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth To: Discussions about the artwork included with Fedora, including icons, themes, and wallpapers
Re: F10 Theme Proposal: Growth
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:40:24 +0100 Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 06:40 -0700, Brian Jedsen wrote: On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:25:33 +0300 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I uploaded a proposed image at the wiki. Feedback is much appreciated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Eden_proposed.jpg Put it on a dual-setup (not-withstanding) a widescreen would pull the globe elliptical, maybe a single screener can verify? not too sure personally whether the yellowish tint does anything Do you have an svg that could be played with? Frank I finished the svg: http://omploader.org/vamdx/growth_full.svg and the widescreen version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Growth_wide.jpg The colors look better when the tree is derived directly from the svg, as in the widescreen version. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Introduction
Hey Carl! Welcome to the artteam list! A lot of us also hang out in #fedora-art on irc.freenode.net, so feel free to drop in for a chat... :) My name is Carl Ellement, from Stoney Creek, Ontario, Canada. I am interested in contributing artwork to the Fedora project, and becoming a contributing member of the artTeam. If you haven't already seen it, the following link outlines the steps required for joining the art-team: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#How_to_Join (we have recently migrated to the mediawiki platform, so the layout of the wiki may still be a bit rough around the edges...) I have some digital art production experience, mainly with adobe products in a windows environment. I am anxious to learn more about Linux and open source software and I feel I have much to offer! Not sure if you know about the open source equivalents in the graphic design world, but in short: Vector Graphics - Inkscape Raster / Photo Manipulation - GIMP Page Layout / Desktop Publishing - Scribus I personally am a huge inkscape fan, and you will find it is also a popular tool for a lot of the members of the fedora artTeam... cheers, ryanlerch ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Release Party Contest Winner
Wow!! I would also like to thanks everyone for the contribution and helps from the Fedora Arts who helped me made the fliers, those of you who contributed with some template presentations, and Chris who have sent me the Fedora books to give out. I also gathered some support on campus with staff, faculty, and friends, so I would also like to thank them as well. Lastly, I would also thank Thomas and FAmSCo for the generous supports! Let's do better for the Fedora 10 Release Party! :) Thanks, - Grady On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jeffrey Tadlock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Following the release of Fedora 9 there were numerous release parties held worldwide - with parties taking place from Italy, to the US, to Romania to Bangladesh and more. During this time we saw a lot of excellent event reports posted to mailing lists and on blogs of organizers and attendees letting everyone know how the party went and allowing us to see for ourselves through many pictures taken at the events. All of the parties were a great success. Before I announce the winner of the Fedora laptop bag being offered for the Release Party Contest [1], I want to take a moment to thank everyone who participated. It takes a lot of work to plan and prepare for a release party and then after the event, write the event reports and gather up the photos of the event and posting them for everyone else in the Fedora community to see. The Fedora Ambassador Steering Committee and the Fedora community as a whole greatly appreciate the hours the volunteers spent making sure Fedora had a presence in their community and spreading information about the Fedora Project worldwide. This work helps build the community - both in increasing the number of Fedora users and finding more contributors to join the project. Thank you for all of your work. We could only choose one winner of the Release Party Contest and it was difficult to do so. In selecting a winner FAmSCo took a number of items into consideration, including what types of events happened at the party, number of attendees, creativity and quality of the event report. Amongst all of the great entries we received, it is my pleasure to announce the Los Angeles, California Release Party organized by Grady Laksmono as the winner! Grady put a lot of work into the release party, not even being deterred when the Fedora 9 release date slipped. The event was held at the California State University in the College of Engineering, Computer Science, and Technology and was attended by approximately 40 people. Grady's full event report and pictures are posted here: http://laksmono.com/2008/05/23/los-angeles-fedora-9-release-party-success/ Thank you Grady for all of your work and we hope you enjoy the new laptop bag we will be arranging to have shipped to you. Again - a huge thank you to everyone who helped organize a release party for Fedora 9! ~Jeffrey [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-April/msg00196.html -- Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Font autoinstallation meeting
2008/6/6 Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lets meet Monday June 9th 17:00 UTC in ##fonts on freenode to discuss font autoinstallation in Fedora. Are the logs posted on the web? :-) -- Regards, Dave I support www.gnuherds.org - democratic free software jobs ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
wiki and nofollow links
Since we switched from Moin to MediaWiki, all the outgoing links from the wiki have the attribute rel=nofollow, which instructs the search engines to ignore the PageRank value and do not influence the link target's ranking. This attribute was introduced in MediaWiki as a countermeasure against spammers which tried to abuse Wikipedia, linking to their own malicious websites. While there is some merit of using this at Wikipedia, where even unauthenticated users are allowed to post, other people do not think this is fair and consider Wikipedia acts like a black hole of the web, absorbing PageRank without giving anything back, after it used all the PageRank received to build its reputation (this is also my opinion and when I link to Wikipedia in my websites I always use rel=nofollow). The situation in our wiki is very different: we allow posting only from authenticated users which have a FAS account, so the editors have to pass a number of filters and leave enough identification data. Personally, I hate to be treated as a spammer (such treatment is a result of using rel=nofollow by default). *If* I am found abusing the system for personal gain, then kick me out and remove all my rights, otherwise I believe I deserve to be considered an innocent user. I also think there are legit uses for dofollow links in our wiki: we want to give PageRank value to friendly or sister projects, like pages from fedorahosted.org, fedorapeople.org or entities like GNOME, Red Hat or CentOS. So, based on the argumentation above, my proposal is to trust the users and remove the nofollow attribute. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: wiki and nofollow links
On 2008-06-09 04:03:46 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: So, based on the argumentation above, my proposal is to trust the users and remove the nofollow attribute. Heh, I don't think we even knew about this being on by default :-). I just disabled it in our configs, and it should take effect in a bit. Thanks, Ricky pgpHvwbfmMSBr.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Infrastructure Secondary Offerings
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:59 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: So one of the things that has made Fedora's Infrastructure successful is the amount of time we spend getting configs together and tested _before_ we go live with them. Often times re-doing things from scratch multiple times. This works well in our shared app environment. They're in puppet, the people involved understand it. This is a very high barrier but in our case, it's completely worth it. However We do, regularly, have people request hosting from us for various open source projects. Some people just want a place to host something. I'd think these individuals would support these hosts outside of Fedora's normal realm. So question 1) Should Fedora get in the business of providing (probably xen guests) to other projects? I'd love to say yes, but there are many concerns in terms of IP space, security, security, liability, and security. Comment, please. We'll quickly run up against our limits I think after a few of these requests and we'll end up hosting things we may have to 'correct' later. I'd say we could provide managed xen guests but not just here's your box, have fun hosts. -sv ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Re: Infrastructure Secondary Offerings
On Mon, 9 Jun 2008, seth vidal wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:59 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: people involved understand it. This is a very high barrier but in our case, it's completely worth it. However We do, regularly, have people request hosting from us for various open source projects. Some people just want a place to host something. I'd think these individuals would support these hosts outside of Fedora's normal realm. So question 1) Should Fedora get in the business of providing (probably xen guests) to other projects? I'd love to say yes, but there are many concerns in terms of IP space, security, security, liability, and security. Comment, please. We'll quickly run up against our limits I think after a few of these requests and we'll end up hosting things we may have to 'correct' later. I'd think that unless they're officially part of fedora as in, everyone involved is a member of the Infrastructure team, doing it the infrastructure way with our puppet config. We won't be correcting anything. I'd have to insist on that. This secondary hosting would very much be a second class citizen with the people requesting it basically being on their own. I'd say we could provide managed xen guests but not just here's your box, have fun hosts. Define managed. Would it have our account system? If so would they have access to the encrypted passwords of the sysadmin-main members? -Mike ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Fwd: [Trac-dev] Genshi 0.5 released (Transformer heads up for Trac plugin authors)
I've pshed Genshi 0.5 into Rawhide (should appear tomorrow). I've been using it locally on some CentOS and Fedora boxes with good success (even with some TG apps I use in-house) but I don't want to break any of the Fedora apps if I don't have to. So, I'll hold off on pushing Genshi 0.5 into anything but Rawhide until we can test the Fedora apps... -- Forwarded message -- From: Alec Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 8:34 AM Subject: [Trac-dev] Genshi 0.5 released (Transformer heads up for Trac plugin authors) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Genshi 0.5 has been released! But the reason for this mail is just a heads up about the Transformer filter. I made some much-needed changes [1] to the Transformer filter that *may* affect Trac plugins that use it. It's unlikely, but just in case you notice odd changes in behaviour, this change could be the culprit. As a sample, Vote, Tags and Hackergotchi all worked fine. Changeset description reproduced here for convenience: - Content-insertion transformations (before, after, etc.) now accept a callable. - .prepend() now only operates on elements. Previously it also operated on OUTSIDE marked events. - Where it makes sense, transformations are now consistently applied to individually selected objects in the document, rather than on any contiguous selection. This means that adjacent selected elements will be treated individually rather than as a whole. - Transformations should now consistently work on the context node. - .substitute() now defaults to a count of 0 (ie. all) rather than 1. This is to be consistent with Python's regex substitution. - ATTR events now have a kind of ATTR in addition to having this as their mark. - Added the BREAK mark. This allows cuts of otherwise seamlessly joined objects to be operated on. - Added a full test suite. [1] http://genshi.edgewall.org/changeset/868 -- Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Trac Development group. To post to this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/trac-dev?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~--- ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
hello people,
hello people, I am Lokesh from INDIA. With the view of contributing some code to the open source, I joined in to this group. I thought I have to contribute atleast some thing and not just using the freely available resources. I am working as a developer since while and I am comfortable with programming in C/C++ (only). Because I am holding a job, I may not be able to give huge amount of my time. But to some extent or as early as possible, I will complete the work. One more thing is that, I am very much new to these forums. I don't know much how to proceed. Please guide me. so if any body is interested in utilising my services, they can contact me. -- Ch.L.V.Kumar ___ Fedora-infrastructure-list mailing list Fedora-infrastructure-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-infrastructure-list
Firmware
Been playing with how I'd make the kernel package deal with the new
'make firmware_install' stuff. Currently looks something like this.
I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages
depend on kernel-firmware?
Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory?
Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get
that until we start to build it from a separate srpm.
Other comments?
(the patch is from git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/firmware-2.6.git)
Index: config-generic
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/kernel/devel/config-generic,v
retrieving revision 1.109
diff -u -p -r1.109 config-generic
--- config-generic 4 Jun 2008 00:22:50 - 1.109
+++ config-generic 9 Jun 2008 09:59:12 -
@@ -2479,9 +2479,9 @@ CONFIG_SND_ICE1724=m
CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0=m
CONFIG_SND_INTEL8X0M=m
CONFIG_SND_KORG1212=m
-CONFIG_SND_KORG1212_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y
+# CONFIG_SND_KORG1212_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3=m
-CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y
+# CONFIG_SND_MAESTRO3_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
CONFIG_SND_MIRO=m
CONFIG_SND_MIXART=m
CONFIG_SND_NM256=m
@@ -2502,7 +2502,7 @@ CONFIG_SND_VIA82XX_MODEM=m
CONFIG_SND_VIRTUOSO=m
CONFIG_SND_VX222=m
CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI=m
-CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL=y
+# CONFIG_SND_YMFPCI_FIRMWARE_IN_KERNEL is not set
#
# ALSA USB devices
@@ -3536,3 +3536,14 @@ CONFIG_SOC_CAMERA_MT9M001=m
CONFIG_SOC_CAMERA_MT9V022=m
# MT9V022_PCA9536_SWITCH is not set
+CONFIG_BUILTIN_FIRMWARE=
+# CONFIG_USB_KAWETH_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_DVB_TTUSB_BUDGET_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_WHITEHEAT_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_KEYSPAN_PDA_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_TI_3410_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_TI_5052_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_XIRCOM_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_EMI62_FIRMWARE is not set
+# CONFIG_USB_EMI26_FIRMWARE is not set
+
Index: kernel.spec
===
RCS file: /cvs/pkgs/rpms/kernel/devel/kernel.spec,v
retrieving revision 1.679
diff -u -p -r1.679 kernel.spec
--- kernel.spec 7 Jun 2008 01:48:53 - 1.679
+++ kernel.spec 9 Jun 2008 09:59:13 -
@@ -76,6 +76,8 @@ Summary: The Linux kernel (the core of t
%define with_doc %{?_without_doc: 0} %{?!_without_doc: 1}
# kernel-headers
%define with_headers %{?_without_headers: 0} %{?!_without_headers: 1}
+# kernel-firmware
+%define with_firmware %{?_without_firmware: 0} %{?!_without_firmware: 1}
# kernel-debuginfo
%define with_debuginfo %{?_without_debuginfo: 0} %{!?_without_debuginfo: 1}
# kernel-bootwrapper (for creating zImages from kernel + initrd)
@@ -565,6 +567,7 @@ Patch07: linux-2.6-compile-fixes.patch
#Patch08: linux-2.6-compile-fix-gcc-43.patch
%if !%{nopatches}
+Patch5: linux-2.6-firmware.patch
Patch10: linux-2.6-hotfixes.patch
@@ -693,6 +696,14 @@ header files define structures and const
building most standard programs and are also needed for rebuilding the
glibc package.
+%package firmware
+Summary: Firmware files used by the Linux kernel
+Group: Development/System
+License: Redistributable
+%description firmware
+Kernel-firmware includes firmware files required for some devices to
+operate.
+
%package bootwrapper
Summary: Boot wrapper files for generating combined kernel + initrd images
Group: Development/System
@@ -992,6 +1003,7 @@ fi
%if !%{nopatches}
+ApplyPatch linux-2.6-firmware.patch
ApplyPatch linux-2.6-hotfixes.patch
# Roland's utrace ptrace replacement.
@@ -1581,6 +1593,10 @@ rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/include/asm*/i
rm -f $RPM_BUILD_ROOT/usr/include/asm*/irq.h
%endif
+%if %{with_firmware}
+make INSTALL_FW_PATH=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT/lib/firmware firmware_install
+%endif
+
%if %{with_bootwrapper}
make DESTDIR=$RPM_BUILD_ROOT bootwrapper_install
WRAPPER_OBJDIR=%{_libdir}/kernel-wrapper
WRAPPER_DTSDIR=%{_libdir}/kernel-wrapper/dts
%endif
@@ -1690,6 +1706,12 @@ fi
/usr/include/*
%endif
+%if %{with_firmware}
+%files firmware
+%defattr(-,root,root)
+/lib/firmware/*
+%endif
+
%if %{with_bootwrapper}
%files bootwrapper
%defattr(-,root,root)
--
dwmw2
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Re: Firmware
On Monday 09 June 2008 06:04:08 am David Woodhouse wrote: Been playing with how I'd make the kernel package deal with the new 'make firmware_install' stuff. Currently looks something like this. I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. Other comments? We actually *can* make it noarch without much effort -- remember, the kernel is a special beast that actually does get a noarch build pass done on it for kernel-docs. No reason kernel-firmware couldn't be spit out from the same build run, so far as I know. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
David Woodhouse wrote: Been playing with how I'd make the kernel package deal with the new 'make firmware_install' stuff. Currently looks something like this. I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Yeah, seems the sanest thing to do at least initially, so people don't suddenly wind up with non-functional devices. Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Not quite sure. udev owns it right now. Could have multiple ownership so as to not Requires: udev. Could possibly be something that should move to the filesystem package. I think I might lean toward making that directory owned by filesystem, so you have singular ownership and both udev and kernel-firmware can use it without either one explicitly requiring the other. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 08:39 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: Not quite sure. udev owns it right now. Could have multiple ownership so as to not Requires: udev. Could possibly be something that should move to the filesystem package. I think I might lean toward making that directory owned by filesystem, so you have singular ownership and both udev and kernel-firmware can use it without either one explicitly requiring the other. I'm content with requiring udev -- since it's udev which is going to load anything that lives in /lib/firmware anyway, that actually makes some sense. -- dwmw2 ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
David Woodhouse wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 08:39 -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: Not quite sure. udev owns it right now. Could have multiple ownership so as to not Requires: udev. Could possibly be something that should move to the filesystem package. I think I might lean toward making that directory owned by filesystem, so you have singular ownership and both udev and kernel-firmware can use it without either one explicitly requiring the other. I'm content with requiring udev -- since it's udev which is going to load anything that lives in /lib/firmware anyway, that actually makes some sense. Ah, okay, I figured udev typically would be wanted, but wasn't sure if some of this could be done sans-udev in some particular case. Just requiring udev does sound like the way to go then. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
Jarod Wilson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. We actually *can* make it noarch without much effort -- remember, the kernel is a special beast that actually does get a noarch build pass done on it for kernel-docs. No reason kernel-firmware couldn't be spit out from the same build run, so far as I know. Well, it means you may end up including various firmwares on architectures where they're irrelevant. But as long as you're willing to take the installed space hit, it's not a huge deal. Bill ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:46 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: Another issue that we never really solved was that we really need to have one firmware package per firmware (group) so that others can possibly override their firmware without replacing the entire kernel-firmware package and affecting everyone. Opinion? Later. We can't do it now, and it's not a loss. What we're doing makes it _easier_ to do that later, if we want to. But I don't want to try it now. -- dwmw2 ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:51 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: K. I guess I'm just raising it so we're aware of it. It's not exactly a loss, but my fear is that once we make it possible for someone else to replace all the kernel firmware just to update their buggy one, then they'll rush out and do this as soon as possible :) Better option might be another directory which appears first on udev's (and mkinitrd's) search patch. That way you can override firmware without having to split the package. -- dwmw2 ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 15:53 +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 10:51 -0400, Jon Masters wrote: K. I guess I'm just raising it so we're aware of it. It's not exactly a loss, but my fear is that once we make it possible for someone else to replace all the kernel firmware just to update their buggy one, then they'll rush out and do this as soon as possible :) Better option might be another directory which appears first on udev's (and mkinitrd's) search patch. That way you can override firmware without having to split the package. And that of course is a nicer fix, yeah, then people can have their own per-device firmware package if they choose to do so. Coolness. Jon. ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 03:15:05PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 09:40 -0400, Don Zickus wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:04:08AM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote: Been playing with how I'd make the kernel package deal with the new 'make firmware_install' stuff. Currently looks something like this. Is that something new upstream? It would be great to separate the firmware from the kernel builds. http://lwn.net/Articles/284104/ http://lwn.net/Articles/284932/ git.infradead.org/users/dwmw2/firmware-2.6.git Thanks for the links. The discussion was helpful. I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. I assume the %install would cause a rebuild of the initrd to deal with storage device firmware on bootup? The kernel install already does that. Perhaps we should ensure that kernel-firmware gets updated before the kernel proper, to ensure that the new firmware is included. Or maybe always rebuild initrd when installing kernel-firmware? It's a little overkill but handles scenarios when the vendor updates their storage blob but we have no new kernel update to go with it (that's probably a little long term thinking to handle the scenario when you actually separate the srpms..). We were trying to do this with RHEL (jcm was working on this). One of the issues I brought up (which no one had a solution for) was the case for a bad firmware for storage devices. Currently they are built into the kernel. So if you stumble upon bad firmware, you just boot the previous working kernel. How would this be handled with everything under /lib/firmware? I guess a previously working initrd image might suffice. Yeah, the previous kernel would have had its initrd generated when that kernel was installed. That initrd should continue to work. Yeah, not sure why I didn't think of this months ago when I was discussing this with folks internally. Cheers, Don ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
Don Zickus wrote: I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. I assume the %install would cause a rebuild of the initrd to deal with storage device firmware on bootup? The kernel install already does that. Perhaps we should ensure that kernel-firmware gets updated before the kernel proper, to ensure that the new firmware is included. Or maybe always rebuild initrd when installing kernel-firmware? It's a little overkill but handles scenarios when the vendor updates their storage blob but we have no new kernel update to go with it (that's probably a little long term thinking to handle the scenario when you actually separate the srpms..). I'd stick to rebuilding initrds only for a new kernel. Your issue of 'what do I do if the new firmware is bunk' pops up if installing kernel-firmware triggers a new initrd for an already functioning kernel. :) We were trying to do this with RHEL (jcm was working on this). One of the issues I brought up (which no one had a solution for) was the case for a bad firmware for storage devices. Currently they are built into the kernel. So if you stumble upon bad firmware, you just boot the previous working kernel. How would this be handled with everything under /lib/firmware? I guess a previously working initrd image might suffice. Yeah, the previous kernel would have had its initrd generated when that kernel was installed. That initrd should continue to work. Yeah, not sure why I didn't think of this months ago when I was discussing this with folks internally. Could still be an issue for any device that doesn't get brought up until we've already spun up the kernel and initrd -- i.e., system boots off internal disk, later during boot, brings up external storage on fibre channel adapter, which loads its firmware from /lib/firmware. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
Jarod Wilson wrote: We were trying to do this with RHEL (jcm was working on this). One of the issues I brought up (which no one had a solution for) was the case for a bad firmware for storage devices. Currently they are built into the kernel. So if you stumble upon bad firmware, you just boot the previous working kernel. How would this be handled with everything under /lib/firmware? I guess a previously working initrd image might suffice. Yeah, the previous kernel would have had its initrd generated when that kernel was installed. That initrd should continue to work. Yeah, not sure why I didn't think of this months ago when I was discussing this with folks internally. Could still be an issue for any device that doesn't get brought up until we've already spun up the kernel and initrd -- i.e., system boots off internal disk, later during boot, brings up external storage on fibre channel adapter, which loads its firmware from /lib/firmware. But of course, you've still got a system that at least boots, and can back-rev the firmware if needed, so not a big issue vs. boot-path-dependent firmware. -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:08:57AM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: Don Zickus wrote: I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. I assume the %install would cause a rebuild of the initrd to deal with storage device firmware on bootup? The kernel install already does that. Perhaps we should ensure that kernel-firmware gets updated before the kernel proper, to ensure that the new firmware is included. Or maybe always rebuild initrd when installing kernel-firmware? It's a little overkill but handles scenarios when the vendor updates their storage blob but we have no new kernel update to go with it (that's probably a little long term thinking to handle the scenario when you actually separate the srpms..). I'd stick to rebuilding initrds only for a new kernel. Your issue of 'what do I do if the new firmware is bunk' pops up if installing kernel-firmware triggers a new initrd for an already functioning kernel. :) Hmm, that would cause issues. But then when folks like qlogic have new fw, how do you update it successfully? A stub kernel? Perhaps creating a new initrd based on the same kernel and a corresponding new grub entry (entry would consist of old kernel / new initrd image) would allow people to fallback to the old initrd image if the new one was bunk? We were trying to do this with RHEL (jcm was working on this). One of the issues I brought up (which no one had a solution for) was the case for a bad firmware for storage devices. Currently they are built into the kernel. So if you stumble upon bad firmware, you just boot the previous working kernel. How would this be handled with everything under /lib/firmware? I guess a previously working initrd image might suffice. Yeah, the previous kernel would have had its initrd generated when that kernel was installed. That initrd should continue to work. Yeah, not sure why I didn't think of this months ago when I was discussing this with folks internally. Could still be an issue for any device that doesn't get brought up until we've already spun up the kernel and initrd -- i.e., system boots off internal disk, later during boot, brings up external storage on fibre channel adapter, which loads its firmware from /lib/firmware. I didn't find that scenario interesting because you already have your rootfs mounted so you could do other tricks to recover from that. Cheers, Don ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: Firmware
Don Zickus wrote: On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 11:08:57AM -0400, Jarod Wilson wrote: Don Zickus wrote: I suspect that (for now) we should make the kernel binary packages depend on kernel-firmware? Should the package own the /lib/firmware/ directory? Ideally we'll want kernel-firmware to be a .noarch.rpm, but we can't get that until we start to build it from a separate srpm. I assume the %install would cause a rebuild of the initrd to deal with storage device firmware on bootup? The kernel install already does that. Perhaps we should ensure that kernel-firmware gets updated before the kernel proper, to ensure that the new firmware is included. Or maybe always rebuild initrd when installing kernel-firmware? It's a little overkill but handles scenarios when the vendor updates their storage blob but we have no new kernel update to go with it (that's probably a little long term thinking to handle the scenario when you actually separate the srpms..). I'd stick to rebuilding initrds only for a new kernel. Your issue of 'what do I do if the new firmware is bunk' pops up if installing kernel-firmware triggers a new initrd for an already functioning kernel. :) Hmm, that would cause issues. But then when folks like qlogic have new fw, how do you update it successfully? Not sure. What happens in such cases today? Have to install a new kernel or kmod? A stub kernel? Ew. Perhaps creating a new initrd based on the same kernel and a corresponding new grub entry (entry would consist of old kernel / new initrd image) would allow people to fallback to the old initrd image if the new one was bunk? Could get messy, littering /boot with old initrds that aren't cleaned up, and your bootloader with extra entries you may never use -- what would trigger their removal and when? I just assume leave out the auto-rebuilding of the initrd though. I think if you know you need/want new firmware for a device, you should be able to figure out how to create a new initrd with it (and save the old initrd as a fallback). I didn't find that scenario interesting because you already have your rootfs mounted so you could do other tricks to recover from that. Yeah, I sent a follow-up email saying the same, didn't take that into account until after hitting send, and my unsend button never seems to work... :) -- Jarod Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Fedora-kernel-list mailing list Fedora-kernel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-kernel-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Ric Moore wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 00:13 +, g wrote: snip most 'gmail' that comes thru list is 'rich text'. a lot of folks who use gmail, hotmail, and other 'free' email, --- will not bother to set configs and are usually there to hide. --- This bit above. and are usually there to hide. What's with that? Ric so as to clarify, are you asking ric, as in him hiding? as to my comment, in reference to email i get from senders who 'want to be friends', 'chat', 'this and that'. not spam, just junk, and it comes from 'hotmail', 'gmail', and other 'free' email. 'hotmail' is via pots and inet connect, is 'gmail' pots and others? if your isp gives piss poor mail service, get another isp. like, if your horse grew lame, vet said no hope... have a good day. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to not lock the screen
Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 7 Jun 2008, g wrote: nft. Not for tourists? no telling. interesting times. F S UID PID PPID C PRI NI ADDR SZ WCHAN TTY TIME CMD 4 S 0 1 0 0 80 0 - 528 - ?00:00:13 init so are all of these. but no clue. as in next post, 1 - 2 - 3 - 4... -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to not lock the screen
Michael Hennebry wrote: I did an experiment. snip Eventually something else blanked the screen and wanted my password. 2 good reasons for what i have 4 suggestions. 1a) if not already level 3, change '/etc/inittab' to *id:3:initdefault:*, reboot. 1b) in 'level 3'; $ mv .kde .kde.old $ startx if still, 2) add another user, login as, if continues, #3. 3) r r kde. 4) someone else this list | kde 'tech list' | read source. i have tried to dupe problem, unable. i have 'touch', 'find', 'grep' and not found any files that give clue. 'flag' for screen password lock may be in a 'power save' file, even a display manager. if it where a problem i had, i would have r r kde long ago. whole install, maybe. for sure if i found 'bug' early. good luck with venture. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
David Boles wrote: The paranoia factor maybe? ;-) ric just may be paranoid. using gmail, asking twice. started to see for sure, ie, ask a third time. ;o) -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Steve Lindemann wrote: Mike Wright wrote: snip And, while I abhore html mail, you use thunderbird and do not mind out of line sigs. :o) Steve Lindemann __ Network Administrator //\\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign Marmot Library Network, Inc. \\// against HTML/RTF email, url: http://www.marmot.org //\\ vCards M$ attachments -- tc,hago. g . in a free world with out fences, who needs gates... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Test - please ignore
-- Joachim Backes [EMAIL PROTECTED] smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Test - please ignore
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why? -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
compiz w/ i965 video and horrible cpu usage
I recently just rebuilt a laptop with FC9 from FC8. When I start compiz I get a massive cpu of about 50 and 75%. The culprit always is the Xorg process. Even simple scrolling text (ie. dmesg output) takes about 10 seconds to come back, whereas metacity is instant. When compiz is enabled, i also get digusting stats from glxgears as well, but only when I am doing things like moving windows, etc. On the other hand, glxgears is solid with about 100fps when not using compiz. I have tried disabling various plugins via ccsm to the point of where it looks pretty much identical to metacity, but the perf problem still persists. Previously I didn't notice any issues with FC8 on the same laptop. I would be suprised if the hardware is the issue, its a dual core 2.2 w/ 4G ram. I have even tried some 3rd party compiz repositories that are a little bit more bleeding edge with the versions and i still have the same issue. Is there anyone else out there using FC9's compiz on one of these intel video cards? Do you notice similar poor performance? Currently, I am using: compiz-0.7.5-10.fc9.x86_64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ glxinfo | grep direct direct rendering: Yes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ dmesg | grep agp Linux agpgart interface v0.103 agpgart: Detected an Intel 965GM Chipset. agpgart: Detected 7676K stolen memory. agpgart: AGP aperture is 256M @ 0xe000 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Booting F9 with NO X11
On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 03:46:14PM -0400, Rick Bilonick wrote: The HP 2133 comes with SUSE Linux but I'm more familiar with Fedora. I will post that information soon. But for now, I should note that Fedora 8 LiveCD booted without any problems. Maybe if you look at the Xorg.conf that SUSE creates it can give us all a clue. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 virt-manager: Alt Gr key and fullscreen?
I wrote: ... How do I get the Alt Gr key to work correctly in the guest OS? It looks like a very old problem: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=135381 ... How do I run in full screen? I figured this out: Don't use virt-manager, but connect vncviewer directly: vncviewer localhost:5900 -fullscreen Mogens -- Mogens Kjaer, Carlsberg A/S, Computer Department Gamle Carlsberg Vej 10, DK-2500 Valby, Denmark Phone: +45 33 27 53 25, Fax: +45 33 27 47 08 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.crc.dk -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Unknown codec ID 86022, please add here
Hi, above message appears when I try to watch youtube with totem. It results in no sound. Does anyone have a clue which codec needs to be installed and which package ships it? rpm -qa | grep gstreamer gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.19-2.fc9.i386 totem-gstreamer-2.23.2-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10.4-1.lvn9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-pulse-0.9.5-0.5.svn20070924.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-extras-0.10.7-1.lvn9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-schroedinger-1.0.0-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-devel-0.10.7-1.lvn9.i386 gstreamer-tools-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-devel-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-0.10.19-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-python-0.10.11-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10.8-1.lvn9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-farsight-0.12.7-1.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10.7-1.lvn9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-base-0.10.19-2.fc9.i386 gstreamer-plugins-good-0.10.8-2.fc9.i386 regards christoph signature.asc Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Obfuscation is too mild a word :-).
Where in the blue blazes has the settings for the options to run the X server with gone? As near as I can tell, they may just be hard coded in the /usr/libexec/gdm-simple-slave executable? I'm trying to discover two things: 1. How do I add the -dpi 96 option so the greeter will use fonts big enough to be visible. 2. How do I remove the -nolisten tcp option so I can connect to the server remotely? (Anyone warning me about security gets 20 lashes with a wet noodle, all my systems are trusted and behind a firewall with zero open ports :-). So far, it looks like the simplest fix might be to replace the X server binary with a script that modifies the options then invokes the original X server :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 Networkmanager and zeroconf
even I close the iptables, NM cannot get IP address from avahi. 2008/6/8 Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/6/8 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, it seems that avahi daemon running. Do you also have the port open for it? Fedora 9's default iptables configurations seems more strict than Fedora 8's. -- Joonas Sarajärvi [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Booting F9 with NO X11
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 23:54 -0700, Kayvan A. Sylvan wrote: On Sat, Jun 07, 2008 at 03:46:14PM -0400, Rick Bilonick wrote: The HP 2133 comes with SUSE Linux but I'm more familiar with Fedora. I will post that information soon. But for now, I should note that Fedora 8 LiveCD booted without any problems. Maybe if you look at the Xorg.conf that SUSE creates it can give us all a clue. Right now I've switched out the hard drive with SLED SP2 and have configured the new drive to run F8. When I have a chance to put the SLED drive back, I'll check but if memory serves, I was not able to find an xorg.conf file when using SLED. I just booted up the Ubuntu 8.04 Live CD. I had to use safe graphics mode to get a display (the default boot gives the same problem - weird blank sort of display - as F9). Default Ubuntu is using the openchrome driver. In safe mode, I am able to get a 1280x720 display (F8 will only give me 1024x768). Not sure why. Rick B. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: All White Screen With Compiz
Tom London wrote: Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2008 13:33:37 +0200 From: Robert McBroom (TNWestTex)[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: All White Screen With Compiz To: fedora-list@redhat.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Trying for the F9 desktop effects on Gnome with Compiz. System is HP DC7100 with a Intel 82915G/GV/910GL integrated graphics. SyncMaster 191T monitor though a KVM switch. compiz --replace makes the screen go white with the mouse cursor only. Things are still there as I can click on the bar area and get the activity cursor but no windows appear. The text console that I started the xserver from has a terse message about not finding a monitor. Using the default so there is no xorg.conf. Anyone have any ideas about what is happening? Robert McBroom Have you tried starting compiz with '--indirect-rendering'? -- Tom London compiz --replace --indirect-rendering gives me a display, but the control structures around the terminal window and other on screen windows are gone. There are a series of messages about elements being undrawable. Robert McBroom -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/All-White-Screen-With-Compiz-tp17667832p17733410.html Sent from the Fedora List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Still can't run latest update ! livna ?
I still can't run the latest F9 update due to dependency issues. Is this something I need to fix on my machine or is it something that livna will fix ? Why are the missing dependencies listed as fc8 ? Is there a different way to run yum update that would allow the KDE updates to occur ? Thanks # yum update Loaded plugins: priorities, refresh-packagekit fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 livna | 2.1 kB 00:00 updates | 2.3 kB 00:00 Setting up Update Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package cronie.i386 0:1.0-7.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kmod-nvidia.i686 0:173.14.05-3.lvn9 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 = 173.14.05-3.lvn9 for package: kmod-nvidia --- Package kdebase3.i386 0:3.5.9-14.fc9 set to be updated --- Package gnome-menus.i386 0:2.22.2-1.fc9 set to be updated --- Package aspell.i386 12:0.60.5-6.fc9 set to be updated --- Package bzip2-libs.i386 0:1.0.5-2.fc9 set to be updated --- Package bzip2.i386 0:1.0.5-2.fc9 set to be updated --- Package xorg-x11-drv-geode.i386 0:2.9.0-2.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kdebase3-libs.i386 0:3.5.9-14.fc9 set to be updated --- Package hyphen-en.i386 0:2.3.1-2.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kdelibs3.i386 0:3.5.9-14.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kernel-headers.i386 0:2.6.25.4-30.fc9 set to be updated --- Package hyphen.i386 0:2.3.1-2.fc9 set to be updated --- Package gpm.i386 0:1.20.1-92.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kdebase3-pim-ioslaves.i386 0:3.5.9-14.fc9 set to be updated --- Package hunspell.i386 0:1.2.1-7.fc9 set to be updated --- Package kmod-ndiswrapper.i686 0:1.52-32.lvn9 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 = 1.52-32.lvn9 for package: kmod-ndiswrapper --- Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.25.4-30.fc9 set to be installed --- Package evolution.i386 0:2.22.2-2.fc9 set to be updated -- Running transaction check --- Package kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686.i686 0:1.52-32.lvn9 set to be updated --- Package kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686.i686 0:173.14.05-3.lvn9 set to be updated -- Finished Dependency Resolution -- Running transaction check --- Package kernel.i686 0:2.6.25-14.fc9 set to be erased -- Finished Dependency Resolution Dependencies Resolved = Package Arch Version Repository Size = Installing: kernel i686 2.6.25.4-30.fc9 updates 18 M Updating: aspell i386 12:0.60.5-6.fc9 updates 935 k bzip2 i386 1.0.5-2.fc9 updates 49 k bzip2-libs i386 1.0.5-2.fc9 updates 38 k cronie i386 1.0-7.fc9updates 71 k evolution i386 2.22.2-2.fc9 updates 13 M gnome-menus i386 2.22.2-1.fc9 updates 209 k gpm i386 1.20.1-92.fc9updates 182 k hunspelli386 1.2.1-7.fc9 updates 186 k hyphen i386 2.3.1-2.fc9 updates 16 k hyphen-en i386 2.3.1-2.fc9 updates 22 k kdebase3i386 3.5.9-14.fc9 updates 8.4 M kdebase3-libs i386 3.5.9-14.fc9 updates 582 k kdebase3-pim-ioslaves i386 3.5.9-14.fc9 updates 173 k kdelibs3i386 3.5.9-14.fc9 updates 12 M kernel-headers i386 2.6.25.4-30.fc9 updates 712 k kmod-ndiswrapperi686 1.52-32.lvn9 livna 8.2 k kmod-nvidia i686 173.14.05-3.lvn9 livna 22 k xorg-x11-drv-geode i386 2.9.0-2.fc9 updates 133 k Removing: kernel i686 2.6.25-14.fc9installed 49 M Installing for dependencies: kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 i686 1.52-32.lvn9 livna 89 k kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.4-30.fc9.i686 i686 173.14.05-3.lvn9 livna 2.5 M Transaction Summary = Install 3 Package(s) Update 18 Package(s) Remove 1 Package(s) Total size: 57 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.24.5-85.fc8-1.52-7.lvn8.1.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.5-85.fc8-169.12-7.lvn8.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-1.52-8.lvn8.1.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-169.12-8.lvn8.i686 Complete! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: how to select wireless interface
Andrea mariofutire at googlemail.com writes: I just would like to know if it is possible to choose which interface to use, and in case NM wants to connect both, how do I choose the default gateway? I've seen it chosen at random so far. Equally at some point no doubt someone will want to have NM able to connect to either a wire or a wireless interface - and then it should be part of normal operation to be able to select wired or wireless. One reason some people don't use NM is because it seems not obvious that NM can actually do this. If it can the documentation should be easily available so that users can get at it easily. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
f9 system-config-display - no video cards
When I run system-config-display on my IBM ThinkCentre under f9, I get the error No video cards were found on this machine, exiting. Any ideas why? Thanks, David -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Still can't run latest update ! livna ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 08:57 -0600, linuxguy wrote: I still can't run the latest F9 update due to dependency issues. Is this something I need to fix on my machine or is it something that livna will fix ? Why are the missing dependencies listed as fc8 ? Is there a different way to run yum update that would allow the KDE updates to occur ? Transaction Summary = Install 3 Package(s) Update 18 Package(s) Remove 1 Package(s) Total size: 57 M Is this ok [y/N]: y Downloading Packages: Running rpm_check_debug ERROR with rpm_check_debug vs depsolve: kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.24.5-85.fc8-1.52-7.lvn8.1.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.5-85.fc8-169.12-7.lvn8.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-ndiswrapper-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-1.52-8.lvn8.1.i686 kernel-i686 is needed by (installed) kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-169.12-8.lvn8.i686 Complete! you need to get rid of the F8 packages here... rpm -e kmod-ndiswrapper kmod-nvidia # there may be more packages # related to kmod-nvidia yum install kmod-ndiswrapper kmod-nvidia Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, It seems that there are many clueless people who could never write a web page but seem to feel more than qualified to send html mail. I am tired of squinting at itty bitty fonts that are rendered by Thunderbird whenever it displays html email. (List denizens, please note: html mail gets an instant delete here; you will receive no help from me.) Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? I've set up a filter to delete email with the header Content-Type: text/html but that only catches some of it. A hearty toast to whomever can solve this one. Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Roger On the OpenOffice.org list, there are usual requests to add an email program to OOo for creating email, just like Word and Outlook. It follows many of the complaints on this thread as well. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Thunderbird Contamination
Jim wrote: FC 8 , Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 I have a friend that has about 300-400 old email messages laying in his inbox of Thunderbird and when he tries to read New emails they are mixed in with old ones and some of them are blank, it just a big box of sh-t . I removed his emails and AddressBook from Thunderbird, and deleted and reinstalled his AddressBook and old emails back into the new Thunderbird , everything was working for a few hours and then here we go again. Are there Viruses that affect strictly Email Browsers like this ?? This always seems like that he goes through this everytime he gets a large amount of Emails stored in his Inbox. As you kept the mbox's, have you tried to compact the boxes? I have email going back years on my box with TB and I don't have an issues over multiple version updates. I do know that if I don't compact, then I have issues. I am using Fetchexe to get my mail off the Exchange server and if I don't compact the mailbox it goes to, after moving the mail, then the mail will reappear. Compact would be the same as Evolutions expunge in my books. -- Robin Laing -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
kjournald locks up the system periodically in Fedora 9
Hi, Running up to date Fedora 9. Every so often, kjournald locks up the system due to heavy IO. When it is done, system response returns to normal. Is this normal? Or should I report it as a bug? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kjournald locks up the system periodically in Fedora 9
Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 17:10:32 stan wrote: Hi, Running up to date Fedora 9. Every so often, kjournald locks up the system due to heavy IO. When it is done, system response returns to normal. Is this normal? Or should I report it as a bug? I'd definitely report it. Have you checked the bug list, both Fedora's and KDE's? Anne Haven't looked in bugzilla for this yet. It is an annoyance but not a show stopper. Seems it is time to have a look. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
dvdrip
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, Is there a simple way to yum install dvdrip on f8? Are there other dvd ripper available? Thanks FP - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITVuydE6C2dhV2JURAhYRAKCDrE1Ot36wsjKmToWuLK8Thr3OuACgyGjI 5c+QHT0PaD+ooPhqb/qlV5U= =DZV+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Are usb headphone generic?
g wrote: Neal Becker wrote: My logitech usb headphone works fine, but I don't know if a generic USB headphone would work. I'm wondering if this will work on linux: http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/speakers/95dd/ think about what ad says; Simply plug in to your computer USB port, connect to Internet chat software and talk away! what are you going to do about software? wine? xen? I'm using a logitech headset now with twinkle. I was hoping this would work the same. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox 3 beta on Fedora 9 uses lots of IO after start
Mike Burger wrote: I'm running Fedora 9 with the Firefox 3 beta. After start, Firefox reads and writes heavily to the disk (99.99% in iotop) for almost a minute. Is this known behavior and acceptable or a bug? Keeping in mind that Firefox is now out at 3.0 RC2 (though I can't find an RPM for it, nor a spec file to allow me to use rpmbuild against the downloadable tarball), it may already be fixed. You're right. I'll wait for the next go around before reporting. If it is still there. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Still can't run latest update ! livna ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:20 -0600, linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 08:42 -0700, Craig White wrote: you need to get rid of the F8 packages here... rpm -e kmod-ndiswrapper kmod-nvidia # there may be more packages # related to kmod-nvidia yum install kmod-ndiswrapper kmod-nvidia Craig I got the update to install. First I looked at the missing dependencies and decided that they weren't legit because they were all fc8 related and I am not pointed at any fc8 repositories anymore. I tried deleting them with rpm -e --nodeps but that didn't seem to work. So I resorted to yum remove kmod-ndiswrapper-2 and yum remove kmod-nvidia-2... until I had the 4 of them removed. Then I ran the update with yum update. Then I ran yum install kmod-ndiswrapper and yum install kmod-nvidia Then I rebooted, successfully. Everything seems to work find now. I have no idea where the fc8 files came from. rpm couldn't find them. I think they were in a yum database somewhere. I tried yum clean all but that didn't get rid of them either. Removing them explicitly did, however. Thanks for the tips and I hope this helps someone. now if only livna would release kmod-nvidia-96xx packages, I would be happy Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: can't get X to work after installing F9
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:44 -0400, Vadim Nasardinov wrote: The monitor specs (such as they are) can be found here: http://www.viewsonic.com/support/desktopdisplays/lcddisplays/optiquest/q190mb/index.htm http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/us_eng/products/LR_Q190mb.pdf http://www.viewsonic.com/pdf/userguides/q190mb-1_ug_eng.pdf Any suggestions would be appreciated. F9 seems to have a lot of problems with graphics hardware. Have you tried using the vesa driver? This might at least get you to the point of getting a graphical display (although it might not). I tried F9 on a new HP 2133 mini-notebook (comes with SUSE Linux) but ended up installing F8 because I could not get a display on the notebook's lcd panel. You might have much better luck with F8 until better drivers are available for F9. Rick B. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: how to start up vncserver w/o login?
On Sunday 08 June 2008 02:57:10 am Mike wrote: Dave Stevens geek at uniserve.com writes: It does and seems as if it would work. I have stopped work on this because it seems vnc is unavoidably unacceptably slow. I use this all the time and it works at an acceptable rate. I tried Freenx and the nomachine linux client and it addresses the need for pre-login functionality nicely and gives much better throughput, allows higher resolutions, etc. I am interested to know if Freenx or !M are able to reproduce the functionality that I get using vncserver as described in my previous post. However I asked on the list some time ago if anyone could confirm that they had got freenx or !M to make a connection to the native desktop on a remote machine without any local user having logged in on the remote machine locally, but I never had any confirmation that it was in fact possible or that anyone had actually managed it. This particular use for connection to a remote desktop is vital for me to manage a remote machine where the local user there is non-computer literate. I'd still like to hear from anyone who has done this. ok, I think what I have implemented meets your needs. Then this gives a vnc window to the server machine via the tunnel even if the remote user has not yet logged in provided X on the server is running. The !M client on my box logs me in to the server and gives me an X session. If (I've tested this, not a theory) I go to the far end machine, the server, and turn on the screen the system is sitting at the user login screen. If I were to log in at that point there seem to be two X sessions, one serving up a screen at my box and one local to the server. Because in this setup stage the two computers are physically contiguous, a VNC session (which can be implemented only after a user login on the server) can be controlled at the same time by either keyboard or mouse. With the !M session these are separate. I'm pretty happy with this solution, it means I can get back to a login and full X session with no need to have physical access. Hope this helps. Dave -- In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to simplistic questions. -- Ursula K. LeGuin -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: dvdrip
Well, with yum you will be able to install dvdrip without problem: yum install dvdrip Other way is to pick the rpm package here: http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/6025655/com/dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386.rpm.html I think they are simple ways to install. Or there is another problem? Good luck! German. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:34 PM, François Patte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, Is there a simple way to yum install dvdrip on f8? Are there other dvd ripper available? Thanks FP - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITVuydE6C2dhV2JURAhYRAKCDrE1Ot36wsjKmToWuLK8Thr3OuACgyGjI 5c+QHT0PaD+ooPhqb/qlV5U= =DZV+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Germán A. Racca Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais - INPE Divisão de Astrofísica - DAS/CEA São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil -- TEL: 55 12 3945-7209 FAX: 55 12 3945-6811 -- http://funk.on.br/racca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 1:08 PM, linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes into a death spiral of saving folder and Retrieving message and Fetching mail. This wouldn't be that annoying except that when it happens it uses almost 100% of the processor power and doesn't seem to respond to nice settings. Furthermore, the process takes forever to resolve itself. It may get the folder 99% stored in 5 to 10 minutes, but then it goes for 15 minutes before the status changes. And you can't view/edit/send any email while this is happening. It totally ties up my laptop and is terrible for battery life when it happens. Usually I resort to shutting down Evolution with evolution --force-shutdown. Then I run evolution --offline to restart it, whereby at least that removes the Fetching mail process from messing things up. It also helps not to Restore settings so that the email its trying to retrieve doesn't mess things up. That leaves just the storing folder process to run. It generates tons of errors if you run it from the command line. FWIW, there is nothing wrong with my hard drive. I've had this issue on 2 different computers. My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I am using Thunderbird pretty heavily cross platform (although i prefer the Kontact suite when I am in linux) Works pretty well, even on a USB drive. No real complaints. Esp. easy to migrate if you use IMAP, just connect and go. If you don't already IMAP, I would suggest that you do. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Thunderbird Contamination
Robin Laing wrote: Jim wrote: FC 8 , Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 I have a friend that has about 300-400 old email messages laying in his inbox of Thunderbird and when he tries to read New emails they are mixed in with old ones and some of them are blank, it just a big box of sh-t . I removed his emails and AddressBook from Thunderbird, and deleted and reinstalled his AddressBook and old emails back into the new Thunderbird , everything was working for a few hours and then here we go again. Are there Viruses that affect strictly Email Browsers like this ?? This always seems like that he goes through this everytime he gets a large amount of Emails stored in his Inbox. As you kept the mbox's, have you tried to compact the boxes? I have email going back years on my box with TB and I don't have an issues over multiple version updates. I do know that if I don't compact, then I have issues. I am using Fetchexe to get my mail off the Exchange server and if I don't compact the mailbox it goes to, after moving the mail, then the mail will reappear. Compact would be the same as Evolutions expunge in my books. delete the .msf files for those mailboxes. These are index files that have gone corrupt. Tbird will rebuild the file next time you view the mailbox. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kjournald locks up the system periodically in Fedora 9
stan wrote: Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 17:10:32 stan wrote: Hi, Running up to date Fedora 9. Every so often, kjournald locks up the system due to heavy IO. When it is done, system response returns to normal. Is this normal? Or should I report it as a bug? I'd definitely report it. Have you checked the bug list, both Fedora's and KDE's? Anne Haven't looked in bugzilla for this yet. It is an annoyance but not a show stopper. Seems it is time to have a look. Logged at https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=450576 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: DNS: Can public and private data be hosted by the same server?
On Sunday 08 June 2008 08:18:50 am Tim wrote:
NB: This is *NOT* a top posting list.
Edward:
Is there a sample for reference ?
Yes, in the manuals (/usr/share/doc/bind*/). It has instructions and
examples.
I want to know what different between IP address and INT eth ? ...
An example from the docs:
view internal {
// This should match our internal networks.
match-clients { 10.0.0.0/8; };
// Provide recursive service to internal clients only.
recursion yes;
// Provide a complete view of the example.com zone
// including addresses of internal hosts.
zone example.com {
type master;
file example-internal.db;
};
};
view external {
// Match all clients not matched by the previous view.
match-clients { any; };
// Refuse recursive service to external clients.
recursion no;
// Provide a restricted view of the example.com zone
// containing only publicly accessible hosts.
zone example.com {
type master;
file example-external.db;
};
};
Thanks for the tip! I was able to set this all up very easily
and it does exactly what I wanted.
However, I am having problems with logging:
logging {
channel my_syslog {
file /var/log/named/named.log versions 25;
severity info;
print-category yes;
print-time yes;
};
category eventlib { my_syslog; };
};
(I also tried dropping versions 25, same problem)
In /var/log/named:
===
-rw--- root root system_u:object_r:var_log_t:s0 named.log
From /var/log/messages:
===
Jun 9 11:37:02 myhost named[13314]: logging channel 'my_syslog'
file '/var/log/named/named.log': file not found
What am I doing wrong?
Thanks!
Dan
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Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 12:08 -0600, linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes into a death spiral of saving folder and Retrieving message and Fetching mail. This wouldn't be that annoying except that when it happens it uses almost 100% of the processor power and doesn't seem to respond to nice settings. Furthermore, the process takes forever to resolve itself. It may get the folder 99% stored in 5 to 10 minutes, but then it goes for 15 minutes before the status changes. And you can't view/edit/send any email while this is happening. It totally ties up my laptop and is terrible for battery life when it happens. Usually I resort to shutting down Evolution with evolution --force-shutdown. Then I run evolution --offline to restart it, whereby at least that removes the Fetching mail process from messing things up. It also helps not to Restore settings so that the email its trying to retrieve doesn't mess things up. That leaves just the storing folder process to run. It generates tons of errors if you run it from the command line. FWIW, there is nothing wrong with my hard drive. I've had this issue on 2 different computers. My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? If you're using IMAP with gmail (which is the recommended method), you can simply configure Thunderbird like you have configured Evolution and run either. If you have a folder with that many e-mails on a remote server, I think you can expect long delays. Also, with that type of setup, I would HEAVILY recommend that you not do 'junk mail filtering' because that would cause some of the issues that you are claiming with Evolution. Craig -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. Its not usually the one that gives the problem though. Almost always the one that gives the problem is the one that is open when you first start the application. I think there is a bug in retrieving the current message for viewing and receiving a new email into the folder. What is one supposed to do with large email folders, besides manually breaking them up ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. Its not usually the one that gives the problem though. Almost always the one that gives the problem is the one that is open when you first start the application. I think there is a bug in retrieving the current message for viewing and receiving a new email into the folder. What is one supposed to do with large email folders, besides manually breaking them up ? actually make them directories rather than flat files. mbox - one big flat text file per folder maildir - one directory per folder, one file per email. you may already have this. Is this your own mailserver or does someone else administer it? Stuart -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes mail folders while it is downloading emails from the server. When it does this, it goes into a death spiral of saving folder and Retrieving message and Fetching mail. This wouldn't be that annoying except that when it happens it uses almost 100% of the processor power and doesn't seem to respond to nice settings. Furthermore, the process takes forever to resolve itself. It may get the folder 99% stored in 5 to 10 minutes, but then it goes for 15 minutes before the status changes. And you can't view/edit/send any email while this is happening. It totally ties up my laptop and is terrible for battery life when it happens. Usually I resort to shutting down Evolution with evolution --force-shutdown. Then I run evolution --offline to restart it, whereby at least that removes the Fetching mail process from messing things up. It also helps not to Restore settings so that the email its trying to retrieve doesn't mess things up. That leaves just the storing folder process to run. It generates tons of errors if you run it from the command line. FWIW, there is nothing wrong with my hard drive. I've had this issue on 2 different computers. My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? If you are going to change clients, you may want to look at Seamonkey as well, it's an integrated suite, which has worked reliably for me. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 09 Jun 2008 12:31:54 -0600 linuxguy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. This is the exact reason why I don't use T-Bird. I HATE the idea that all mail is stored into one file (mbox) sorta reminds me of the way Outlook doe things. I use Claws-Mail (stores in maildir) and keeping 75,000 mails per sub category is still blazing fast over mbox. -- Best regards, Chris () ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org - against proprietary attachments There's no place like 127.0.0.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes [snip!] Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? Thanks 1) I have had the same sort of problems (and more) with Evolution and I got tired of it. The hard part is getting it all configured correctly. But even then, it is a resource hog as you mentioned, but what pissed me off mostly was bugs, crashes, and manually killing the processes when things go wrong with evo. 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, one involving threads, and it is SLOW depending on your MB. I am using an Intel dual-proc Core-Duo w/2GB ram and it is slow only because it needs to sync and process each email messages if you enable thread support. It seems faster without threading enabled. By threading, I mean email threading. I LOVE the versatility of configuring the Fonts for each gui panes. Very nice. This is my current email client. As with Thunderbird, when you click on a folder, it is at this point where synchronization to the server gets updated and you have to wait until it is finished - the CPU hits hard, slowing things down, so you are somewhat forced to wait before beginning the next step. I wish that this process is done automatically, is niced, and happens transparently, but it is what it is. 3) I have successfully configured and tried Thunderbird and I do like it but it is not as versatile/configurable as Kmail, imo. I ran into trouble initially with configuring since it was 'different' than what I was used to and had to get used to the idea of 'expunge' and emtpying the 'trash', a two-step process. With Kmail, I just have to empty the trash but then I set the configuration to empty the trash on exit. Pretty minor. In all three cases above, my biggest problem was connecting to M$ exchange as my main email server - I had to configure exchange to ALLOW connections but once I got through this correctly, it all worked well. FWIW, Dan -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Monday 09 June 2008 19:31:54 linuxguy wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 19:21 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:08:46 linuxguy wrote: My email setup is 6 different gmail accounts, being sorted into about 25 folders via rules. The largest folder has about 150,000 messages in it. The smallest one has 5,000 messages in it. Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? I don't recall what choices Tbird gives you, but whatever you do, don't put that number of messages into mbox folders. That isn't what you have now, by any chance, is it? If so, that's the cause of your problem. I've got a folder with 150,000 messages, yes. Its not usually the one that gives the problem though. Almost always the one that gives the problem is the one that is open when you first start the application. I think there is a bug in retrieving the current message for viewing and receiving a new email into the folder. What is one supposed to do with large email folders, besides manually breaking them up ? If mail folders are maildir it doesn't matter how many messages you have in them. Each message is stored as an individual file. In an mbox folder each message is tagged on to the end of the existing file. When you get several thousand messages in an mbox folder you have one mighty big file. Consider what happens - You decide that a certain thread of messages is of no interest to you, so you delete the thread. First the whole folder - thousands of messages - have to be read in. Then the messages have to be identified and deleted out of the middle of the file. Finally the compacted file has to be written to disk. It works fine for small folders, but slows dramatically as the file grows. Anne signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: live CD root password?? -- UPDATE : real oddity
Beartooth Sciurivore wrote: On Sun, 08 Jun 2008 23:33:23 -0700, Mick M. wrote: to be root su - note the minus sign. Then passwd enter roots new password twice. Then when you need it just type it in. A lot of CD releases you have to sudo to do root stuff. e.g. sudo fdisk -l Yes, I know all that; I must just have been too lazy to type it; but I was trying to ask what the password *is* -- none of my guesses ([none], root, toor, fedora, arodef) worked. And if it was in the readme, I missed it. I have no idea what the password is, but I think you are missing what people are telling you, what you want to do is sudo su - to actually become root, and if you really need to set the root password you can. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: how to select wireless interface
Mike C wrote: Andrea mariofutire at googlemail.com writes: I just would like to know if it is possible to choose which interface to use, and in case NM wants to connect both, how do I choose the default gateway? I've seen it chosen at random so far. Equally at some point no doubt someone will want to have NM able to connect to either a wire or a wireless interface - and then it should be part of normal operation to be able to select wired or wireless. One reason some people don't use NM is because it seems not obvious that NM can actually do this. If it can the documentation should be easily available so that users can get at it easily. NM has been around since FC6, people have had these complaints since FC6, nothing has gotten better since FC6. Actually, since some system-config tools have been removed, things have gotten worse. There is no good documentation, there is only a raft of incomplete and in some cases contradictory documents from various uncoordinated sources. If you have anything as simple as a laptop with both cable and wireless NIC, good luck trying to define which to use where. If you add a modem, there seems to be some path by which NM will try to use it for PPP. And if you have multiple wireless networks available, I have no idea how NM picks which to use other that not the same one in a deterministic manner. What is needed is named configurations, which allow you to specify exactly what each NIC will do, masks, etc. Also WEP/WSA settings, not trying DHCP before WSA, only trying DHCP when to to, using static IP addresses. I've given up on point-to-point, the whole concept is ignored. NM seems to make the assumption that the user is a moron, and NM must make the decisions and not let the user change them. Either that or it assumes that the user has read the developer's mind and knows voodoo to make NM do anything beyond the simplest configuration. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
2008/6/9 Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Monday 09 June 2008 19:56:51 Dan Thurman wrote: 2) I have tried Kmail and again, it has it's own set of problems, one involving threads, Such as? KMail used to crash a lot, and was terrible at filtering. And then got ignored quite a bit with 4.0 then coming up. But it has since been rejuvenated. -- Fedora 7 : sipping some of that moonshine ( www.pembo13.com ) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Mon, 2008-06-09 at 11:56 -0700, Dan Thurman wrote: On Monday 09 June 2008 11:08:46 am linuxguy wrote: I've been using Evolution as my email client since RH8. I hate it because it seems to get confused if one opens up an email or changes [snip!] Is anyone using Thunderbird like this ? How does it compare ? How hard is it to move over to it ? Thanks 1) I have had the same sort of problems (and more) with Evolution and I got tired of it. The hard part is getting it all configured correctly. But even then, it is a resource hog as you mentioned, but what pissed me off mostly was bugs, crashes, and manually killing the processes when things go wrong with evo. I run evolution using MH folders (1 directory/folder, 1 file/message) and have had similar problems. Here are some of the problems I've seen at various time: 1) frequent crashes 2) having it mix up the headers with the message content 3) having it eat up 100%CPU time and having to manually delete screwed up index files and kill processes. I have filed bug reports, but the evolution people usually tell me that the version of evolution that I am running is old and the bugs are fixed in a more recent version. This is even with running the latest updates from the fedora-updates repository and even the fedora-updates-testing repo. The evolution maintainers have suggested that I run the debug version. I do wonder if there are any stable versions of Evolution (centos?). I've never run one that was. Oh, and I use MH folders because it give me the options of writing quick little shell scripts to manipulate messages. Sometimes I just prefer doing things on the command line over a gui... Oh and yes, I do have some large folders... [EMAIL PROTECTED] folder +fedora-list fedora-list+ has 28697 messages (1-28698); cur=28698. Nataraj -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Thunderbird and attachments
I am attaching images to be printed elsewhere. When they are received, sometimes they are not completed (a part of image is greyed). Shall I blameThunderbird or my ISP Tnx -- Antonio Montagnani Skype : antoniomontag -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: how to select wireless interface
Bill Davidsen wrote: NM has been around since FC6, people have had these complaints since FC6, nothing has gotten better since FC6. Actually, since some system-config tools have been removed, things have gotten worse. There is no good documentation, there is only a raft of incomplete and in some cases contradictory documents from various uncoordinated sources. I must say my experience has been very different. NM now works under Fedora-9 almost perfectly - say 95% of the time - for me, when it used to take hours to get connected with previous versions of Fedora. I agree that the documentation is more or less non-existent, and what little there is verges on parody, eg the man entry which tells you NM Just Works. On the 5% of the time, when NM does not work for me, it gets into an incomprehensible circular path, where it keeps asking me for my encryption code, but does not allow me to say what kind of encryption I'm using. (There is a button to choose encryption type, but it only allows None.) This is under KDE. I think the OP's complaint is somewhat bizarre. Basically, he/she is saying NM works too well. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Backup Options
On Mon, Jun 09, 2008 at 03:10:25PM -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Srikanth Konjarla wrote: All, I use Fedora on my laptop which is primarily for business purposes. So, i like to get the data backup from laptop to home desktop machine (over ssh) and trying to find an easy and reliable backup tool. I have tried pybackpack with rdiff-backup combination but i found it not very reliable with at least ssh option. Any recommendations? You may want to think about rsync - it is easy to configure to use ssh to sync files. If you are keeping a complete copy of the laptop or selected subdirectories, I agree, this is a reliable solution, which you can run on demand or just prior to shutdown. Dirvish is an actively-maintained Perl script that runs on top of rsync, using hard links to reduce the size of successive generations of copies. It will do copies across a network using ssh. I've been using dirvish for three years with excellent results. http://www.dirvish.org/ Good luck. -- Jorge Luis [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
A simple question about rsyslog.conf
Hi all, I would like to create a file in /var/log using the rsyslog. The problem is that I don't understand how to do it. standing that the program log messages using the LOCAL6 facility I added a simple line local6.* /var/log/myfile But in this way I have the message logged in myfile, but also in messages. I can change the rule for /var/log/messages, telling to not log anything about local6 with local6.none, but there is another way to specify a more complex level of logging? I don't understand very well the rsyslog.conf man page, so if there is someone that can point me to a collection of examples, rules and other thing about rsyslog, I will be happy. Tnx Ambrogio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Packagekit Update Applet
Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Is there any way to tell Packagekit Update Applet not to check for new versions of nspluginwrapper (or anything else for that matter). The latest version of nspluginwrapper is broken (That's another issue.), and it would be nice if Packagekit Update Applet would stop informing me that the older working version which is installed needs to be upgraded. The upgrade icon is now pretty near useless, since the applet has to be started to see whether anything *really* needs to be installed.\ You can do exclude=foo* in /etc/yum.conf and PackageKit will honour that. Rahul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: dvdrip
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 09.06.2008 20:05, Germán Racca a écrit : | Well, with yum you will be able to install dvdrip without problem: yum | install dvdrip ]# yum install dvdrip Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ~ * fedora: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * updates: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * texlive: people.redhat.com fedora100% |=| 2.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=| 2.3 kB 00:00 texlive 100% |=| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package dvdrip available. Nothing to do | Other way is to pick the rpm package here: | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/6025655/com/dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386.rpm.html | I think they are simple ways to install. Or there is another problem? ]# rpm -Uvh dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: transcode = 0.6.13 est nécessaire pour dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386 ]# yum install transcode Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ~ * fedora: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * updates: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * texlive: people.redhat.com Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package transcode available. Nothing to do That's the problem!!! Thanks for your reply, I will try to manage the dependencies - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITY+CdE6C2dhV2JURAhsCAJ0eiHfD0kGhoUd4OSFoHm2g4uGzuACdG8OJ raD7l2aSNOhPXr/VderGaSU= =KfD8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: dvdrip
François Patte wrote: Le 09.06.2008 20:05, Germán Racca a écrit : | Well, with yum you will be able to install dvdrip without problem: yum | install dvdrip ]# yum install dvdrip Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ~ * fedora: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * updates: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * texlive: people.redhat.com fedora100% |=| 2.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=| 2.3 kB 00:00 texlive 100% |=| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package dvdrip available. Nothing to do I believe that dvdrip is available through the ATRPMS repo: # yum list dvdrip Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, kmdl, refresh-packagekit, stablemirror Repository livna-development is listed more than once in the configuration stablemirror: the easily edited stablemirror file is /var/cache/yum/stablemirrors Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * google: dl.google.com * livna: rpm.livna.org * fedora: ftp.nrc.ca * adobe-linux-i386: linuxdownload.adobe.com * atrpms: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de * updates: fedora.bu.edu Excluding Packages from Fedora 9 - x86_64 - ATrpms Finished Available Packages dvdrip.x86_640.98.8-2.fc8_90atrpms -- Kevin J. Cummings [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux User #1232 (http://counter.li.org) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: dvdrip
You can manage the dependencies in the following way, downloading dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386 into your HD and then invoking yum to install: yum install dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386, so yum will resolve all the dependencies it needs to finally install your rpm package. Does it help? I do not know, but I hope! Good luck! German. On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 5:16 PM, François Patte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 09.06.2008 20:05, Germán Racca a écrit : | Well, with yum you will be able to install dvdrip without problem: yum | install dvdrip ]# yum install dvdrip Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ~ * fedora: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * updates: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * texlive: people.redhat.com fedora100% |=| 2.1 kB 00:00 updates 100% |=| 2.3 kB 00:00 texlive 100% |=| 951 B 00:00 Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package dvdrip available. Nothing to do | Other way is to pick the rpm package here: | http://rpm.pbone.net/index.php3/stat/4/idpl/6025655/com/dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386.rpm.html | I think they are simple ways to install. Or there is another problem? ]# rpm -Uvh dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386.rpm erreur: Dépendances requises: transcode = 0.6.13 est nécessaire pour dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386 ]# yum install transcode Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile ~ * fedora: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * updates: ftp.solnet.ch ~ * texlive: people.redhat.com Setting up Install Process Parsing package install arguments No package transcode available. Nothing to do That's the problem!!! Thanks for your reply, I will try to manage the dependencies - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITY+CdE6C2dhV2JURAhsCAJ0eiHfD0kGhoUd4OSFoHm2g4uGzuACdG8OJ raD7l2aSNOhPXr/VderGaSU= =KfD8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Germán A. Racca Instituto Nacional de Pesquisas Espaciais - INPE Divisão de Astrofísica - DAS/CEA São José dos Campos - SP - Brasil -- TEL: 55 12 3945-7209 FAX: 55 12 3945-6811 -- http://funk.on.br/racca -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: dvdrip
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 09.06.2008 22:23, Germán Racca a écrit : | You can manage the dependencies in the following way, downloading | dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386 into your HD | and then invoking yum to install: | | yum install dvdrip-0.98.8-2.fc8.i386, | | so yum will resolve all the dependencies it needs to finally install | your rpm package. | Does it help? I do not know, but I hope! Good idea, but transcobe package problem still there: Missing Dependency: transcode = 0.6.13 I tried to enable freshrpms, livna, dag, dries no transcode = 0.6.13 only fc7 package... - -- François Patte UFR de mathématiques et informatique Université Paris Descartes 45, rue des Saints Pères F-75270 Paris Cedex 06 Tél. +33 (0)1 44 55 35 61 http://www.math-info.univ-paris5.fr/~patte -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Fedora - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFITZPidE6C2dhV2JURAss4AKCkUlPW8CMw8Pw3V76Pm7qWxJIntQCglJVj lTz6z63MoSzwVaR486uFKNY= =ZmWi -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Thunderbird Contamination
Jim wrote: Steven Stern wrote: Robin Laing wrote: Jim wrote: FC 8 , Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 I have a friend that has about 300-400 old email messages laying in his inbox of Thunderbird and when he tries to read New emails they are mixed in with old ones and some of them are blank, it just a big box of sh-t . I removed his emails and AddressBook from Thunderbird, and deleted and reinstalled his AddressBook and old emails back into the new Thunderbird , everything was working for a few hours and then here we go again. Are there Viruses that affect strictly Email Browsers like this ?? This always seems like that he goes through this everytime he gets a large amount of Emails stored in his Inbox. As you kept the mbox's, have you tried to compact the boxes? I have email going back years on my box with TB and I don't have an issues over multiple version updates. I do know that if I don't compact, then I have issues. I am using Fetchexe to get my mail off the Exchange server and if I don't compact the mailbox it goes to, after moving the mail, then the mail will reappear. Compact would be the same as Evolutions expunge in my books. delete the .msf files for those mailboxes. These are index files that have gone corrupt. Tbird will rebuild the file next time you view the mailbox. The .msf files are the emails, you would be deleting all your emails ?? How about having about 300-400 emails laying in your inbox, wouldn't that cause problems ?? Nope. The .msf files are the indexes. I just wen through this with an inbox into which I'd watch mails download then disappear. In any case, one should always make a good backup prior to deleting stuff. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
