date:20080621

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 17:56 +0200, fedora wrote:
 my workaround: after resuming, run the following script:

Have you tried putting your script into one of the power management
script directories [1], so it gets run automatically?

Obviously the real fault should be fixed, but in the meantime...

1.  One of the sub-directories inside /etc/pm/

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exception error

2008-06-21 Thread zayakh



 hello all expert  

 i have a problem when i installing Fedora 9 in my workstatioin.   

  this error :  insert disk2 into my cdrom after  exception erro.
select: ok, save, debug.  
 what should i do?  

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Re: OT: need javascript/DOM help

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 14:09 -0700, Mike Wright wrote:
 Are there any javascript/DOM gurus out there who can tell me why the 
 html page below finds the p tag and the div tag but ignores the
 a tag.

 p   id='m'/p
 
 a   id='a'/a
 p   id='p'/p
 div id='v'/div

I don't do scripting, but plenty of plain HTML.  Just wondering if your
browser is one of those that ignores empty elements?  (That sort of
thing, links to empty anchors being ignored, was an old complaint.)  If
you added some content, does it start to work.

e.g. a id=asomething/a

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Re: Web page problem

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 11:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
 I have setup a softlink from /var/www/html/gene/linkname
 That points to another directory here, owned by a different user.  All
 that has been chown'ed to apache:apache as I just noted some of it was
 owned by root.

For what it's worth, it's not a good idea to chown webserveable files to
Apache.  That'll (usually) let the webserver write all over them.  The
usual way to webserve files is to have someone else own them, and make
the directories and files world readable.

 I can goto that page with FF3 and display the contents as a file
 listing just fine.

Do you mean you're browsing the file systems directly, not through a web
server?  e.g. file:///var/www/html/gene/.

Or that you're browsing a file listing produced by the webserver?
e.g. http://localhost/gene/

 I cannot actually view, from a web browser, any of the text files
 there displayed, or start a download of any of the compressed files
 that may be there.
 
 Just for grins I fired up FF-2.0.0.14, and it works fine.  Is there
 some option I need to enable in FF3?

Using the Firefox 3 that came with Fedora 9 (current update to it), I've
not come across any cases where it won't download something from my
webservers that the older Firefox would.

What sort of things are you trying to download?  Are they anything that
might appear to be like a Firefox add-on, which might be blocked by
preferences?  (Though I'd expect a warning, rather than silent
blocking.)

If it weren't for things working in one browser, but not another, I'd be
suspecting a SELinux issue (the contexts of your files not being
webservable), or plain old permissions issues (files being world
readable, and directories, and all parent directories, being world
readable).

Another thing that springs to mind:  Is it downloading them, but doing
it in the background?  (No indication that it's doing a download, no
indication that it's done.)  Have a look in your downloads directory.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-21 Thread g


Craig White wrote:
snip

I have a lot of machines running Fedora 8 / KDE and none experience the
issue you are talking about. I suspect there is a problem with your
installation because that is not an issue with Fedora 8/KDE.


not an issue for you, yet in a couple of past post, i do believe there were
comments to similar problems with f8.

in 1 box, i have 2 installs of f8 and only difference is with minimal install
in that kde locks up and even wedges  when it goes to 'crt power down'.

many times i have had to use power switch to reboot as reset switch will not
work. with fuller install, it is only on an occasion that system will lock up
and need a reset switch reboot and seldom i have to power switch it off.

both are troublesome when it comes to 'log out'. minimal install will not
'log out' from time to time and ctrl+alt+bkspc will not even work and
requires a 'kill' from a vterm. a few times i have not been able to switch
to a vterm and had reset or power down.

with 2 other boxes with f8, kde will occasionally lock up and wedge with
reset or power switch to restart. but no where near like it is on this one.

on all 3 i have reinstalled several times to clear problem, but to no avail.

hardware problem? maybe. but i do not think so because fc6, f8 live installed,
f8 fel live installed, mandriva 2k8, knoppix 5, have worked with out problems.

a bad dvd burn? not likely as checksum shows burn to be good.


As for the notion of you get what you pay for...this is essentially a

snip

likely to spend much time on a problem that is in F-8 but not in F-9.


i do wish to participate and will when i get to f9. i see no need to
bother developers with 'old problems'. they have enough to do with
getting f9 working better.

my intent is to have a friend with cable internet to burn me a respin
of f8 and install it with hopes of getting a better installation. and
yes, i have been updating. i do not have all installed as yet, as i am
wading thru updates to what i have on system instead of just letting all
updates be made.

i did not intend to drag this out as far as i have as other post was just
to make a comment. and as stated in another post, this thread is kde 3.5
in f10.

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Re: OT: need javascript/DOM help

 I don't do scripting, but plenty of plain HTML.  Just wondering if your
 browser is one of those that ignores empty elements?  (That sort of
 thing, links to empty anchors being ignored, was an old complaint.)  If
 you added some content, does it start to work.

 e.g. a id=asomething/a


actually he is trying to resolve the  type of element using javascript, the
browser can say: hey this is a paragraph even if it's empty, and hey this is
a div, but he didn't recognize the anchor
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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Saturday 21 June 2008 00:47:24 Mike Bird wrote:
 The other distros are supporting both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.x for one to
 three years.  This allows people to migrate once KDE 4.x meets their
 needs.  

As I mentioned elsewhere, I have one system that has both 3.5 and 4.0 running.  
Compromises are necessary for this, and it results in a system considerably 
less stable than the Fedora version.  IMO, Fedora's decision was the right 
one.  There was plenty of warning that it may not suit all, and staying with 
F8 was always a choice.

Arthur - you wrote They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early 
adopters have helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio, 
NetworkManager, etc.  Yes, someone has to be an early adopter for bugs to be 
ironed out.

Anne

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Friday 20 June 2008 23:53:47 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
 I saw no one stating nothing like that. The blame some people have put
 on Fedora was for shipping an incomplete KDE4 when there was the option
 to ship the fully functional KDE 3.5.9. These people said that Fedora
 should have waited for KDE4 to become more stable/functional before
 opting to include it in Fedora.
 That's all, and even that is arguable.

Most of the really bad things about KDE4 were fixed about a week after release 
of F9.  I consider that pretty good.  OK, the desktop can't, at present, be 
used in just the same way as we have done before, but everything is 
available, so is it really such a big deal?  We have been told that even that 
is fixed in 4.1, which is only a few weeks away.

My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs 
shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either dolphin 
or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor inconvenience.  The same 
goes for most of the other things that are 'missing'.  Work-arounds exist, 
while work goes on to fix the situation.

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Re: fedora 9: left handed mouse after resuming from hibernate

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 15:32 +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 17:56 +0200, fedora wrote:
  my workaround: after resuming, run the following script:
 
 Have you tried putting your script into one of the power management
 script directories [1], so it gets run automatically?
 
 Obviously the real fault should be fixed, but in the meantime...
 
 1.  One of the sub-directories inside /etc/pm/

If script was put there would it need any ext .sh etc..,
am thinking /etc/pm/config.d
As here it not a resume just losing the setup after using kvm.
(no coder here)

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:48 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Friday 20 June 2008 23:53:47 Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
  I saw no one stating nothing like that. The blame some people have put
  on Fedora was for shipping an incomplete KDE4 when there was the option
  to ship the fully functional KDE 3.5.9. These people said that Fedora
  should have waited for KDE4 to become more stable/functional before
  opting to include it in Fedora.
  That's all, and even that is arguable.
 
 Most of the really bad things about KDE4 were fixed about a week after 
 release 
 of F9.  I consider that pretty good.  OK, the desktop can't, at present, be 
 used in just the same way as we have done before, but everything is 
 available, so is it really such a big deal?  We have been told that even that 
 is fixed in 4.1, which is only a few weeks away.
 
 My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs 
 shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either dolphin 
 or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor inconvenience.  The same 
 goes for most of the other things that are 'missing'.  Work-arounds exist, 
 while work goes on to fix the situation.

FWIW...I found that this behavior stopped when I went to autofs mounting
anyway so it's no loss.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
  My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs
  shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either
  dolphin or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor inconvenience.
   The same goes for most of the other things that are 'missing'.
   Work-arounds exist, while work goes on to fix the situation.

 
 FWIW...I found that this behavior stopped when I went to autofs mounting
 anyway so it's no loss.

?? A change to fstab, I presume?  Example of current line is 

192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/servername_home nfs nosuid,exec,rw,bg,soft,intr 0 0

Do you mean change 'nfs' to 'autofs'?

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
   My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my nfs
   shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in either
   dolphin or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor inconvenience.
The same goes for most of the other things that are 'missing'.
Work-arounds exist, while work goes on to fix the situation.
 
  
  FWIW...I found that this behavior stopped when I went to autofs mounting
  anyway so it's no loss.
 
 ?? A change to fstab, I presume?  Example of current line is 
 
 192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/servername_home nfs nosuid,exec,rw,bg,soft,intr 0 0
 
 Do you mean change 'nfs' to 'autofs'?

I don't use fstab to do nfs mounts anymore...that's so yesterday  ;-)

but the answer is no...there are no nfs mounts in fstab needed when you
use autofs

http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Automount.html

this is a good general explanation...
http://tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/January2001/article141.shtml

There are a lot of benefits to doing it this way...they are soft mounts
and not hard mounts. I can change the mounts simply by changing LDAP and
not having to change each computer (LDAP is not necessary for autofs but
is certainly a big plus).

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:58:11 Craig White wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
  On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my
nfs shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in
either dolphin or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor
inconvenience. The same goes for most of the other things that are
'missing'. Work-arounds exist, while work goes on to fix the
situation.
  
   
   FWIW...I found that this behavior stopped when I went to autofs
   mounting anyway so it's no loss.
 
  ?? A change to fstab, I presume?  Example of current line is
 
  192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/servername_home nfs nosuid,exec,rw,bg,soft,intr 0
  0
 
  Do you mean change 'nfs' to 'autofs'?

 
 I don't use fstab to do nfs mounts anymore...that's so yesterday  ;-)

Hey, after years of doing smb mounts I've only just learned how to do nfs 
mounts :-)

 but the answer is no...there are no nfs mounts in fstab needed when you
 use autofs

 http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Automount.html

 this is a good general explanation...
 http://tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/January2001/article141.shtml

OK - More reading to do.

 There are a lot of benefits to doing it this way...they are soft mounts
 and not hard mounts. I can change the mounts simply by changing LDAP and
 not having to change each computer (LDAP is not necessary for autofs but
 is certainly a big plus).

LDAP is another whole new ball game.  I keep thinking that I should read up on 
that, too, as is certainly would be helpful.

Thanks for the links, Craig.

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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 4:58 AM, Bruce Byfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 01:46 +0200, Bassel Safadi wrote:

You may have already thought of this idea, but is the LBP 2900 a
postscript printer? If so, you can use the Foomatic generic postscript
driver, or the driver for just about any other postscript printer, for
that matter.

Another, probably more useful idea: According to

http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Canon_LBP_2900_with_Samba

you can use the Apple LaserWriter II driver with this printer.

I've tried the Apple LaserWriter II driver it work but the printer isn't
printing :( very strange

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:09 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Possible, I suppose, but I doubt it, unless you have something unusual in
your
smb.conf.

Bruce mentioned a gentoo guide. In my experience gentoo documentation is
usually very good, so it's definitely worth looking at.

Anne

Nothing unusual in smb.conf, by the way disabling network and samba didn't
helped, also gentoo guide don't work,

this was discussed two years ago in fedora forums and no solution was found,
please have a look at:

http://www.fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=125140highlight=lbp2900

2008/6/20 TV Sivaraman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Hi:
CAPT 1.7 version is available at:
http://support-in.canon-asia.com/EN/search?canonsearch=1lang=ENcategory=Laser+Printersseries=Monochromemodel=LBP2900menu=Download
.
You can try that.
Sivaraman.

I'm downloading it right now, will report as soon as I try it , hope this
will work...

Thank you all for you help and advices,
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Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

What is the best method to download everything under
the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
waht options

Need the F9 stuff for testing.


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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:04 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
 On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:58:11 Craig White wrote:
  On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 12:34 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
   On Saturday 21 June 2008 12:16:20 Craig White wrote:
 My first reaction to finding that I didn't have desktop icons for my
 nfs shares was a feeling of loss, yet I can open those shares in
 either dolphin or konqueror, so it's really no more than a minor
 inconvenience. The same goes for most of the other things that are
 'missing'. Work-arounds exist, while work goes on to fix the
 situation.
   

FWIW...I found that this behavior stopped when I went to autofs
mounting anyway so it's no loss.
  
   ?? A change to fstab, I presume?  Example of current line is
  
   192.168.0.40:/home /mnt/servername_home nfs nosuid,exec,rw,bg,soft,intr 0
   0
  
   Do you mean change 'nfs' to 'autofs'?
 
  
  I don't use fstab to do nfs mounts anymore...that's so yesterday  ;-)
 
 Hey, after years of doing smb mounts I've only just learned how to do nfs 
 mounts :-)

autofs does ease some of the ugly aspects of hard nfs mounts

 
  but the answer is no...there are no nfs mounts in fstab needed when you
  use autofs
 
  http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Automount.html
 
  this is a good general explanation...
  http://tldp.org/linuxfocus/English/January2001/article141.shtml
 
 OK - More reading to do.

those are short, general info explanations

 
  There are a lot of benefits to doing it this way...they are soft mounts
  and not hard mounts. I can change the mounts simply by changing LDAP and
  not having to change each computer (LDAP is not necessary for autofs but
  is certainly a big plus).
 
 LDAP is another whole new ball game.  I keep thinking that I should read up 
 on 
 that, too, as is certainly would be helpful.
 
 Thanks for the links, Craig.

As Timothy Murphy will tell you, I am pretty adamant that the Internet
provides too many confusing LDAP walk-throughs that don't correlate with
each other and will typically lead to frustration and the most simple
way to learn LDAP is Gerald Carter's book titled 'LDAP System
Administration'.

I don't know how many family 'users' you are dealing with but if it's
more than 5, it may be worthwhile to learn LDAP. These are the things I
am doing with LDAP these days...

Account management - Posix and Samba users/passwords all integrated and
the same - when I create a user, the user can login to either Linux,
mail server, Windows with the same password and it's the same user .

Group memberships - for access control or for mail distribution lists.

Autofs mounts - typically for NFS mounts because I use 'login scripts'
for samba (Windows) mounts.

E-mail aliases - postfix checks LDAP to see if it's a valid address
before accepting and cyrus-imapd figures out which account(s) mail is
delivered to.

Samba - the passdb

Address Books (Shared and Personal) - Shared address books that are
available to everyone include the 'accounts' address book which is
created automatically when I add users, one or more general shared
address book(s), and each user gets their own LDAP address book so they
can move from program to program, computer to computer and yet still
have access to their address book.

Craig

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora


Frank Murphy wrote:

What is the best method to download everything under
the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
waht options

Need the F9 stuff for testing.



Why would you want to download 'everything'? To fill up space on your hard 
drive?  ;-)


Seriously. That would be in the neighborhood of 9+ gigs of packages. Why not 
just install what you want to test?


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Re: openoffice + postgresql-jdbc

2008-06-21 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak


Bassel Safadi wrote:

What magic is needed to make the openoffice-base program recognize
the postgresql-jdbc driver?

Just googled your question and found this step by step tutorial:

http://www.postgresonline.com/journal/index.php?/archives/8-Using-OpenOffice-Base-2.3.1-with-PostgreSQL.html


Thanks, I did not find that article during my searches! It looks very 
useful.


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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Saturday 21 June 2008 13:23:59 Craig White wrote:
 As Timothy Murphy will tell you, I am pretty adamant that the Internet
 provides too many confusing LDAP walk-throughs that don't correlate with
 each other and will typically lead to frustration and the most simple
 way to learn LDAP is Gerald Carter's book titled 'LDAP System
 Administration'.

 I don't know how many family 'users' you are dealing with but if it's
 more than 5, it may be worthwhile to learn LDAP. These are the things I
 am doing with LDAP these days...

 Account management - Posix and Samba users/passwords all integrated and
 the same - when I create a user, the user can login to either Linux,
 mail server, Windows with the same password and it's the same user .

 Group memberships - for access control or for mail distribution lists.

 Autofs mounts - typically for NFS mounts because I use 'login scripts'
 for samba (Windows) mounts.

 E-mail aliases - postfix checks LDAP to see if it's a valid address
 before accepting and cyrus-imapd figures out which account(s) mail is
 delivered to.

 Samba - the passdb

 Address Books (Shared and Personal) - Shared address books that are
 available to everyone include the 'accounts' address book which is
 created automatically when I add users, one or more general shared
 address book(s), and each user gets their own LDAP address book so they
 can move from program to program, computer to computer and yet still
 have access to their address book.

In terms of accounts, there are not so many.  My husband and I, regularly, and 
my daughter occasionally (on XP), when she needs something on my network.  
She has a samba login.  In terms of hardware, though, it's a bit different.  
There is my IMAP/file server (CentOS), David's Mandriva desktop box, my F9 
desktop box, my EeePC, and this laptop with Mandriva and, very occasionally, 
XP.  That's without the occasional guests - other daughter, granddaughter, 
etc..

LDAP does feel a bit daunting.  I feel that it should be possible to learn and 
activate one bit of its potential at a time, but after reading a couple of 
web pages about it I gave up.  Does the book you mention lead you in 
reasonably slowly?  I've rather a lot on my plate for the forseeable future, 
so don't want to have to swallow huge amounts of medicine at once :-)

Anne

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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy

On Saturday 21 June 2008 13:22:30 Bassel Safadi wrote:
 I've tried the Apple LaserWriter II driver it work but the printer isn't
 printing :( very strange

I've seen this mentioned before as a workaround, but the only time I needed to 
try it I couldn't get it to work.
  Nothing unusual in smb.conf, by the way disabling network and samba
  didn't

 helped, also gentoo guide don't work,

I wouldn't expect the problem to be in samba.  The gentoo guide may be old, of 
course.
  CAPT 1.7 version is available at:
  http://support-in.canon-asia.com/EN/search?canonsearch=1lang=ENcategory
 =Laser+Printersseries=Monochromemodel=LBP2900menu=Download .
  You can try that.
 
  I'm downloading it right now, will report as soon as I try it , hope this

 will work...

I hope so, too :-)  After you installed the printer driver from canon, did you 
try installing the printer through the cups interface (localhost:631)?  The 
new driver should be among the ones listed if it installed correctly.  Put 
your latest version of the driver on, then try this and let us know what 
happens.

Anne

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 08:32 -0400, David Boles wrote:
 Frank Murphy wrote:
  What is the best method to download everything under
  the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
  waht options
  
  Need the F9 stuff for testing.
 
 
 Why would you want to download 'everything'? To fill up space on your hard 
 drive?  ;-)
 
 Seriously. That would be in the neighborhood of 9+ gigs of packages. Why not 
 just install what you want to test?

Basically at the moment I know it's not \*usb\* or \*mouse\* is my
problem, everything else I need to test one package at a time :)

The upside is I may eventually be able to use them as a local repo,


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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy [SOLVED]

Using the CAPT 1.7
http://support-in.canon-asia.com/EN/search?canonsearch=1lang=ENcategory=Laser+Printersseries=Monochromemodel=LBP2900menu=Download
.

as T. V. Sivaraman's suggestion Solved the problem the printer is printing
now :)

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Re: Web page problem

2008-06-21 Thread Gene Heskett

On Saturday 21 June 2008, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 11:35 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
 I have setup a softlink from /var/www/html/gene/linkname
 That points to another directory here, owned by a different user.  All
 that has been chown'ed to apache:apache as I just noted some of it was
 owned by root.

For what it's worth, it's not a good idea to chown webserveable files to
Apache.  That'll (usually) let the webserver write all over them.  The
usual way to webserve files is to have someone else own them, and make
the directories and files world readable.

I did have them set that way originally, and you are right, I should swap them 
back to a user.

 I can goto that page with FF3 and display the contents as a file
 listing just fine.

Do you mean you're browsing the file systems directly, not through a web
server?  e.g. file:///var/www/html/gene/.

Nope, thru http:me.homelinux.net:85/gene/ etc.

Or that you're browsing a file listing produced by the webserver?
e.g. http://localhost/gene/

Which also works.

 I cannot actually view, from a web browser, any of the text files
 there displayed, or start a download of any of the compressed files
 that may be there.

 Just for grins I fired up FF-2.0.0.14, and it works fine.  Is there
 some option I need to enable in FF3?

Using the Firefox 3 that came with Fedora 9 (current update to it), I've
not come across any cases where it won't download something from my
webservers that the older Firefox would.

This is the FF3 distribution tarball version.

What sort of things are you trying to download?  Are they anything that
might appear to be like a Firefox add-on, which might be blocked by
preferences?  (Though I'd expect a warning, rather than silent
blocking.)

If it weren't for things working in one browser, but not another, I'd be
suspecting a SELinux issue (the contexts of your files not being
webservable), or plain old permissions issues (files being world
readable, and directories, and all parent directories, being world
readable).

Apache doesn't own these, and setroubleshooter is running, so I would be 
instantly advised of a selinux perms problem I believe.

Another thing that springs to mind:  Is it downloading them, but doing
it in the background?  (No indication that it's doing a download, no
indication that it's done.)  Have a look in your downloads directory.

No, they aren't there.

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

2008-06-21 Thread Howard Wilkinson


Frank Murphy wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 08:32 -0400, David Boles wrote:
  

Frank Murphy wrote:


What is the best method to download everything under
the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
waht options

Need the F9 stuff for testing.
  
Why would you want to download 'everything'? To fill up space on your hard 
drive?  ;-)


Seriously. That would be in the neighborhood of 9+ gigs of packages. Why not 
just install what you want to test?



Basically at the moment I know it's not \*usb\* or \*mouse\* is my
problem, everything else I need to test one package at a time :)

The upside is I may eventually be able to use them as a local repo,


Frank

  
Try rsync from one of the mirrors. We use this to keep local copies of 
all release images!


Howard.

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asus f3sr audio on fedora 9

2008-06-21 Thread David Hláčik

Hello, i have Fedora 9 x86_64 on my Asus F3Sr notebook with all updates and
my audio is not working:

00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio
Controller (rev 03)

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

Arthur Pemberton wrote:

 They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early adopters have
 helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio, NetworkManager, etc

I fear that will be a very long wait ...

Actually, NM has been getting slowly but steadily better on my machines.
It would have been very foolish to have waited.
(But I still don't like NM's works like magic approach.)

Sound remains a complete mystery to me.
As far as I can make out, pulseaudio is one of several developments
that were intended to make the sound setup simpler,
but which in fact have added another layer of obfuscation
to an already confused mess.
Too many cooks spoil the broth?

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora


Frank Murphy wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 08:32 -0400, David Boles wrote:

Frank Murphy wrote:

What is the best method to download everything under
the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
waht options

Need the F9 stuff for testing.


Why would you want to download 'everything'? To fill up space on your hard 
drive?  ;-)


Seriously. That would be in the neighborhood of 9+ gigs of packages. Why not 
just install what you want to test?


Basically at the moment I know it's not \*usb\* or \*mouse\* is my
problem, everything else I need to test one package at a time :)

The upside is I may eventually be able to use them as a local repo,



Well that is your choice of course.

But do you really need all of the office suites? All of GNOME? Or KDE? Or 
Apache? All of the language packages?  ;-)


And Anne is correct here. Fedora has said before that some things just don't 
play together well.


If you are looking for a local repo of packages that you can install on 
several machines why not just set yum to keep the package(s) that you download 
and use them on the other machines instead of downloading all of these 
packages? Most of which you will not use anyway.


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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0300, Jonathan Dieter wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:44 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
  Basically at the moment I know it's not \*usb\* or \*mouse\* is my
  problem, everything else I need to test one package at a time :)
  
  The upside is I may eventually be able to use them as a local repo,
 
 Use rsync.  It's the most reliable way of downloading *everything* (and
 keeping it updated).  Check out
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring#How_can_someone_make_a_private_mirror.3F
 
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Just installed grsync to help me understand whats going on.
Thanks ppl.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

Mike Bird wrote:

 Please see the subject of this thread.  Those of us who are switching
 are doing so because the answer to the question was negative.  We didn't
 randomly upgrade our production systems.  We tested F9 and determined
 that KDE 4.x is not ready for prime time.

I don't understand why you keep writing to us
to tell us you have left (or are about to leave?) Fedora.

I stopped running Kubuntu on one machine some time ago -
because I found it too complicated to run several distros -
but it never occurred to me to write to the Kubuntu mailing list
to tell them I was leaving ...

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:21 -0400, David Boles wrote:

 But do you really need all of the office suites? All of GNOME? Or KDE? Or 
 Apache? All of the language packages?  ;-)
 
 And Anne is correct here. Fedora has said before that some things just don't 
 play together well.
 
 If you are looking for a local repo of packages that you can install on 
 several machines why not just set yum to keep the package(s) that you 
 download 
 and use them on the other machines instead of downloading all of these 
 packages? Most of which you will not use anyway.
 

Honestly don't need everything, but have a number of different Fedora
boxes all F9 (excl rawhides)

I would need X,Gnome, and the fedora base.

Show me how tp yum local.repo that on my centos5x server, and I'll
probably go that way.  el google wasn't much help as it's talking about
using dvd images etc.. whebn doing locals.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !


Timothy Murphy wrote:

Arthur Pemberton wrote:


They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early adopters have
helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio, NetworkManager, etc


I fear that will be a very long wait ...

Actually, NM has been getting slowly but steadily better on my machines.
It would have been very foolish to have waited.
(But I still don't like NM's works like magic approach.)

Sound remains a complete mystery to me.
As far as I can make out, pulseaudio is one of several developments
that were intended to make the sound setup simpler,
but which in fact have added another layer of obfuscation
to an already confused mess.
Too many cooks spoil the broth?



Pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to set the volume level(s) of various 
applications/output devices so that they can be different. Music soft. Ta-Ta! 
loud. As well as others. What is not so functional is the applications that 
are not yet able to mix with pulseaudio.


I can;t speak about NM. I don't need or use it. I know some that do use it and 
they do not have problems. I read of problems here though. Which, to me, 
sounds like hardware support problems.

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6/20/2008 updates kill Rhytymbox/mplayer sound

2008-06-21 Thread Max Pyziur



Greetings,

Just did a yum update and then trying to play an mp3 or m4a file I get 
the following error message:

*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.
[AO_ALSA] Unable to set hw-parameters: Input/output error
[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource 
busy

*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.
[AO_ALSA] Unable to set hw-parameters: Input/output error
AO: [pulse] Init failed: Invalid argument
[AO SDL] Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le


Any guidence on the resolution would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora


Frank Murphy wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:21 -0400, David Boles wrote:

But do you really need all of the office suites? All of GNOME? Or KDE? Or 
Apache? All of the language packages?  ;-)


And Anne is correct here. Fedora has said before that some things just don't 
play together well.


If you are looking for a local repo of packages that you can install on 
several machines why not just set yum to keep the package(s) that you download 
and use them on the other machines instead of downloading all of these 
packages? Most of which you will not use anyway.




Honestly don't need everything, but have a number of different Fedora
boxes all F9 (excl rawhides)

I would need X,Gnome, and the fedora base.

Show me how tp yum local.repo that on my centos5x server, and I'll
probably go that way.  el google wasn't much help as it's talking about
using dvd images etc.. whebn doing locals.



http://www.howtoforge.com/creating_a_local_yum_repository_centos

or question #11 here

http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq

As for keeping the downloaded packages?

change keepcache=0 to keepcache=1 in the yum.conf file



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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:42 -0400, David Boles wrote:
 http://www.howtoforge.com/creating_a_local_yum_repository_centos
 
 or question #11 here
 
 http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq
 
 As for keeping the downloaded packages?
 
 change keepcache=0 to keepcache=1 in the yum.conf file
 

That's the dogs dinner

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

Anne Wilson wrote:

 LDAP does feel a bit daunting.  I feel that it should be possible to learn
 and activate one bit of its potential at a time, but after reading a
 couple of
 web pages about it I gave up.  Does the book you mention lead you in
 reasonably slowly?  I've rather a lot on my plate for the forseeable
 future, so don't want to have to swallow huge amounts of medicine at once

My view of LDAP is slightly jaundiced.
I've come to the conclusion that it is a very bad way
of creating a system-wide address book,
but unfortunately the only way that actually works.

(As Winston Churchill said of democracy,
it is a terrible system but better than all the others 
that have been tried from time to time.)

I have the Gerald Carter book (actually I borrowed it)
and I would give it 7/10, or alpha minus.
I was amazed when looking around how bad all the online introductions
on OpenLDAP that I found were.
(If I have to read another history of X509 I may jump out of the window.)
Certainly Carter's book is far better than any of these.

It still seems to me that there ought to be a simple 10-page exposition 
on OpenLDAP, but if there is I haven't found it.






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Re: bootable failed sw raid 1 with F9

I took a look at grub-install and it looked like it was supposed to handle
raid 1 in Fedora 9. I ran the script in debug mode and it looks like it
did the right thing. I didn't test pulling disks after running it to make
sure though.
So maybe there is something else going on here.

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David S Wiener is out of the office.

2008-06-21 Thread David S Wiener


I will be out of the office starting Sat 06/21/2008 and will not return
until Sun 06/29/2008.

I will respond to your message when I return.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

Mike Bird wrote:

 The difference, Kevin, is that Kubuntu shipped KDE 4.x a month before
 Fedora and will support KDE 3.5 nine months after Fedora ends support.
 
 Kubuntu is providing people with three times the transition period that
 Fedora is offering.  Debian will probably go even further.

I don't really understand this.
It seems to me quite difficult to run KDE-3 and KDE-4 on the same machine.
How exactly do you do it?
Do you share the same /home partition between the two?

Actually, I do this, but I have come to the conclusion that it was unwise.



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Re: Memory, swap, and limits

On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 09:50:37 -0700,
  Rick Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If your RAM is heavily fragmented or heavily used, the system may find
 it difficult to locate adequate contiguous RAM and spend a lot of time
 swapping things to disk and back as tasks compete for the free RAM.

For most things the memory only needs to be contiguous in the virtual
address space. Real memory is allocated in pages and for most things
they don't need to be allocated contiguously.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

g wrote:

 i am using f8 and from what i have been thru and still going thru,
 i must say that f8 is not a whole lot better than what i am reading
 that f9 is like.
...
 when ever i go to shut down kde, i play a guessing game with it. should
 i bother with 'log out' or go ahead and press ctrl+alt+bkspc, which,
 by the way, fails almost as often as 'log out'.

Seems to me you ought to clarify your problem, 
eg what do you mean by log out?
Do you mean you type these words, or do you press a button in the panel?

Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
(I could be wrong as I never use it.)

I'm pretty sure that if you said what machine you are using,
and expressed your problem clearly, it would be solved very shortly.

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Re: ssh tunnel problems

2008-06-21 Thread Rick Bilonick


On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 23:01 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
 
 
 Rick Bilonick wrote: 
  I'm using Fedora 8 on a server behind a firewall (with incoming ssh
  blocked) and my computer at home.
  
  I did the following on the server:
  

   ssh -R 5000:localhost:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   
  
  which connected to my home computer after I entered the password. (I
  could list files, etc.) I also set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
  to keep the connection open.
  
  At home I entered (using the password for user=server on the server):
  

   ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000
   
  ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused
  
  I've tried adding:
  
  sshd : ALL : allow
  portmap : ALL : allow
  
  to /etc/hosts.allow but still get the same message. I have no idea why
  I'm not able to connect to the server through the ssh connection. I can
  ssh out from the home computer to other servers with port 22 not
  blocked.
  
  Rick B.
  

 Rick,
 
 On your home machine, does a netstat -an | grep 5000 show you a
 listening port?  When do you get if you add the -v flag to your
 connection attempt from your home computer?
 
 FWIW, your use of localhost on both the server side and the home side
 makes this a very confusing read.
 
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Here's what I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ netstat -an | grep 5000
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:50001 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN  


[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000 -v
OpenSSH_4.7p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 5000.
debug1: connect to address 127.0.0.1 port 5000: Connection refused
ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused

I'm using localhost because I was following an example. I guess I
could substitute an IP for localhost. Isn't localhost just another
name for the local computer? So on the first use of ssh, localhost
refers to the server and on the second use of ssh, it refers to the home
computer. At least, that's what I believe.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

David Boles wrote:

 Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
 never post. Except for Anne.

Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...

Seriously, I think Anne is too kind.
I am genuinely puzzled by the minor problems that came with KDE-4.
It is as though the KDE-4 team was completely independent of the KDE-3 crew,
and started again from scratch.

However, the problems in my view are or were minor,
and certainly not worth writing to the Pope about.

I'd just ask the KDE and Fedora developers to bear in mind
that simplicity is a virtue, and that a little time should be spent
examining if it is possible to simplify the distribution,
as eg Torvalds seems to me to do rather will with the kernel.




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Re: ssh tunnel problems

2008-06-21 Thread Rick Bilonick


On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:22 -0400, Rick Bilonick wrote:
 On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 23:01 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
  
  
  Rick Bilonick wrote: 
   I'm using Fedora 8 on a server behind a firewall (with incoming ssh
   blocked) and my computer at home.
   
   I did the following on the server:
   
 
ssh -R 5000:localhost:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   
   which connected to my home computer after I entered the password. (I
   could list files, etc.) I also set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
   to keep the connection open.
   
   At home I entered (using the password for user=server on the server):
   
 
ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000

   ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused
   
   I've tried adding:
   
   sshd : ALL : allow
   portmap : ALL : allow
   
   to /etc/hosts.allow but still get the same message. I have no idea why
   I'm not able to connect to the server through the ssh connection. I can
   ssh out from the home computer to other servers with port 22 not
   blocked.
   
   Rick B.
   
 
  Rick,
  
  On your home machine, does a netstat -an | grep 5000 show you a
  listening port?  When do you get if you add the -v flag to your
  connection attempt from your home computer?
  
  FWIW, your use of localhost on both the server side and the home side
  makes this a very confusing read.
  
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 Here's what I get:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ netstat -an | grep 5000
 tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:50001 0.0.0.0:*
 LISTEN  
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000 -v
 OpenSSH_4.7p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006
 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
 debug1: Applying options for *
 debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 5000.
 debug1: connect to address 127.0.0.1 port 5000: Connection refused
 ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused
 
 I'm using localhost because I was following an example. I guess I
 could substitute an IP for localhost. Isn't localhost just another
 name for the local computer? So on the first use of ssh, localhost
 refers to the server and on the second use of ssh, it refers to the home
 computer. At least, that's what I believe.
 
 Rick B.
 

I forgot to add that I'm not sure why it is listening on port 50001. I'm
sure I set it up to use port 5000. If I try to use 50001:

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 50001 -v
OpenSSH_4.7p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 50001.
debug1: Connection established.
debug1: identity file /home/chippy/.ssh/identity type -1
debug1: identity file /home/chippy/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
debug1: identity file /home/chippy/.ssh/id_dsa type -1

Then I have to ctrl c to get out of this.

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora


Frank Murphy wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:42 -0400, David Boles wrote:

http://www.howtoforge.com/creating_a_local_yum_repository_centos

or question #11 here

http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq

As for keeping the downloaded packages?

change keepcache=0 to keepcache=1 in the yum.conf file



That's the dogs dinner



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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !


Timothy Murphy wrote:

David Boles wrote:


Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
never post. Except for Anne.


Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...

Seriously, I think Anne is too kind.
I am genuinely puzzled by the minor problems that came with KDE-4.
It is as though the KDE-4 team was completely independent of the KDE-3 crew,
and started again from scratch.

However, the problems in my view are or were minor,
and certainly not worth writing to the Pope about.

I'd just ask the KDE and Fedora developers to bear in mind
that simplicity is a virtue, and that a little time should be spent
examining if it is possible to simplify the distribution,
as eg Torvalds seems to me to do rather will with the kernel.



Bear this in mind to then. KDE developers are doing the actual developing of 
KDE 4.x and Fedora's KDE team is doing the packaging. KDE has been talking 
about these major changes for a long time.


And I can only imagine the screaming and complaints if Fedora had *not* 
provided KDE 4.0.  ;-)

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:30 -0400, David Boles wrote:
 Frank Murphy wrote:
  On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:42 -0400, David Boles wrote:
  http://www.howtoforge.com/creating_a_local_yum_repository_centos
 
  or question #11 here
 
  http://wiki.linux.duke.edu/YumFaq
 
  As for keeping the downloaded packages?
 
  change keepcache=0 to keepcache=1 in the yum.conf file
 
  
  That's the dogs dinner
 
 
 Good luck.

Will be back on, when it comes to the sharing bit

Frank

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Re: bootable failed sw raid 1 with F9

2008-06-21 Thread Sander Hoentjen

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:01 -0500, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
 I took a look at grub-install and it looked like it was supposed to handle
 raid 1 in Fedora 9. I ran the script in debug mode and it looks like it
 did the right thing. I didn't test pulling disks after running it to make
 sure though.
 So maybe there is something else going on here.
 
Unfortunately I do not have the knowledge to find out what, but I would
not be surprised if your system doesn't boot after you pull out on of
your disks.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:26 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 David Boles wrote:
 
  Chill out guy. All you are hearing is the sour grapes. The 'happiest'
  never post. Except for Anne.
 
 Maybe happy pills should be circulated with Linux distributions ...
 
 Seriously, I think Anne is too kind.
 I am genuinely puzzled by the minor problems that came with KDE-4.
 It is as though the KDE-4 team was completely independent of the KDE-3 crew,
 and started again from scratch.
 
 However, the problems in my view are or were minor,
 and certainly not worth writing to the Pope about.
 
 I'd just ask the KDE and Fedora developers to bear in mind
 that simplicity is a virtue, and that a little time should be spent
 examining if it is possible to simplify the distribution,
 as eg Torvalds seems to me to do rather will with the kernel.

It was started again virtually from scratch (KDE-4)

It's obvious that they have some pretty high ambitions for KDE that are
well beyond what is already known to work (KDE-3)

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 15:57 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
 Anne Wilson wrote:
 
  LDAP does feel a bit daunting.  I feel that it should be possible to learn
  and activate one bit of its potential at a time, but after reading a
  couple of
  web pages about it I gave up.  Does the book you mention lead you in
  reasonably slowly?  I've rather a lot on my plate for the forseeable
  future, so don't want to have to swallow huge amounts of medicine at once
 
 My view of LDAP is slightly jaundiced.
 I've come to the conclusion that it is a very bad way
 of creating a system-wide address book,
 but unfortunately the only way that actually works.
 
 (As Winston Churchill said of democracy,
 it is a terrible system but better than all the others 
 that have been tried from time to time.)
 
 I have the Gerald Carter book (actually I borrowed it)
 and I would give it 7/10, or alpha minus.
 I was amazed when looking around how bad all the online introductions
 on OpenLDAP that I found were.
 (If I have to read another history of X509 I may jump out of the window.)
 Certainly Carter's book is far better than any of these.
 
 It still seems to me that there ought to be a simple 10-page exposition 
 on OpenLDAP, but if there is I haven't found it.

here's the thing...LDAP is an erector set that was originally created
(X509) to do something entirely different than what most people use it
for today.

The OpenLDAP developers are only concerned with the mechanics of
OpenLDAP software and not interested in providing tutorials about LDAP
itself. Their audience is typically the very skilled system
administrator who is capable of compiling software (high level compile
including linking), and already knowledgeable about things like sasl,
kerberos and authentication mechanisms.

For the record, OpenLDAP administrator's guide is here...
http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/ # version 2.4.x
http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin23/ # version 2.3.x

The various online instructions aren't 'bad', but rather confusing to
someone that doesn't understand LDAP because one persons tutorial will
vary from another and there really is no set way to do anything on
LDAP...it is after all an erector set.

Fedora Directory Server is a bit simpler for newbies in that out of the
box, it has pre-conceived notions of users and groups, certificates,
ACL's/ACI's and has some web/gui based consoles to get you started but
still, it doesn't supplant knowledge and some of the twists like
importing ldap.schema's can be daunting.

There cannot be a simple 10-page exposition on OpenLDAP because that
simple exposition pre-supposes what you intend to do with your erector
set. In fact, the above mentioned OpenLDAP administrator's guide is over
20 pages and it only covers how to 'use' the software but does not cover
any specific projects to build with your erector set.

Craig

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Desktop panels in Gnome

2008-06-21 Thread Max Pyziur



Greetings,

I keep two screenwide panels at the bottom of the desktop. On login, 
sometimes one is above the other, sometimes the other one is above.


How do I make the setting permanent rather than have this variableness?

Thanks.

Max Pyziur
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Re: 6/20/2008 updates kill Rhytymbox/mplayer sound

2008-06-21 Thread Max Pyziur



I guess F9 has self-correcting gremlins installed. I rebooted and these 
sound problems are not occurring. Furthermore, with 6/20/2008 update sound 
is now avilable with flash for things like youtube videos.


I did install xmms-pulse-0.9.4-5.fc9.1.x86_64 before the reboot.

I also tried setting System- Preferences - Harware - Sound to 
Autodetect for Sound Events, Music and Movies, and Audio COnferencing 
(for Sound Playback) before rebooting. However, that did not restore 
sound.


head scratching in wonder

Max Pyziur
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On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Max Pyziur wrote:



Greetings,

Just did a yum update and then trying to play an mp3 or m4a file I get the 
following error message:

*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.
[AO_ALSA] Unable to set hw-parameters: Input/output error
[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource 
busy

*** PULSEAUDIO: Unable to create stream.
[AO_ALSA] Unable to set hw-parameters: Input/output error
AO: [pulse] Init failed: Invalid argument
[AO SDL] Samplerate: 44100Hz Channels: Stereo Format s16le


Any guidence on the resolution would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??

2008-06-21 Thread William Case

Hi;

The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie
at understanding what I might be doing wrong.

I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3.  Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe
Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed.  Firefox 'about:plugin'
shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed.  After download and installation
I re-booted just to sure and no joy.

What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look?  Is there an arch
mis-match?

Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash?

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Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??

2008-06-21 Thread Antonio Olivares

--- On Sat, 6/21/08, William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 From: William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??
 To: Fedora List fedora-list@redhat.com
 Date: Saturday, June 21, 2008, 8:43 AM
 Hi;

 The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so
 I am a newbie
 at understanding what I might be doing wrong.

 I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3.  Yum shows me
 flash-plugin (Adobe
 Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed.  Firefox
 'about:plugin'
 shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed.  After download and
 installation
 I re-booted just to sure and no joy.

 What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look?  Is there
 an arch
 mis-match?

 Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash?
There gnash, and swdef? or something like that.  I installed gnash, it is ok 
for some stuff, but not for the whole enchilada.

Regards,

Antonio 

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Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??

2008-06-21 Thread Christopher A. Williams

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:43 -0400, William Case wrote:
 Hi;
 
 The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie
 at understanding what I might be doing wrong.
 
 I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3.  Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe
 Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed.  Firefox 'about:plugin'
 shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed.  After download and installation
 I re-booted just to sure and no joy.
 
 What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look?  Is there an arch
 mis-match?
 
 Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash?

Indeed there are substitutes and alternatives, but IHMO / experience,
none of them are as good as Flash 9.

The way I got this to work reliably on 64-bit F9 was to read and follow
the instructions on Section 10.5.1 of the F9 Release Notes. You can even
copy / paste the specific commands to complete the task if you like.

For the sake of convenience, the F9 US English Release Notes are found
at:

http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/

Hope that helps!

Cheers,

Chris

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Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??


William Case wrote:

Hi;

The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie
at understanding what I might be doing wrong.

I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3.  Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe
Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed.  Firefox 'about:plugin'
shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed.  After download and installation
I re-booted just to sure and no joy.

What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look?  Is there an arch
mis-match?

Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash?




This works for Flash and x_64

10.3.1. Enabling Flash Plugin
http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f8/en_US/sn-Desktop.html#sn-KDE-Desktop

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Re: QOS

On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 16:43:11 +0200,
  Luc MAIGNAN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi,

 What is the easyest way to limit bandwitdh usage for an IP address on my  
 network ?

You haven't adequately described your problem well enough to provide a good
answer to that. And most likely that isn't the real problem you are trying
to solve.
My recommendation would be to look at the LARTC Howto. That will at least
give you some ideas on what is possible and that may be enough to let you
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Re: Can't get flash-plugin working in FF3 ??

2008-06-21 Thread William Case

Thanks Chris;


On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:56 -0600, Christopher A. Williams wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:43 -0400, William Case wrote:
  Hi;
  
  The subject of media has been something I have avoided, so I am a newbie
  at understanding what I might be doing wrong.
  
  I am running F9 -x86_64 and FireFox3.  Yum shows me flash-plugin (Adobe
  Flash Plugin 9.0.124.0 arch i386) is installed.  Firefox 'about:plugin'
  shows me flash-plugin is NOT installed.  After download and installation
  I re-booted just to sure and no joy.
  
  What could I be doing wrong? Where should I look?  Is there an arch
  mis-match?
  
  Dumb question: Is there a Linux substitute for Adobe Flash?
 
 Indeed there are substitutes and alternatives, but IHMO / experience,
 none of them are as good as Flash 9.
 
 The way I got this to work reliably on 64-bit F9 was to read and follow
 the instructions on Section 10.5.1 of the F9 Release Notes. You can even
 copy / paste the specific commands to complete the task if you like.
 
 For the sake of convenience, the F9 US English Release Notes are found
 at:
 
 http://docs.fedoraproject.org/release-notes/f9/en_US/
 
 Hope that helps!
 

Worked like a charm.  Don't know why I didn't think of going to the
release notes.  I guess I just assumed Flash should automagically
download and install.

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Re: Downloading everything under .../Everything .../Fedora

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 13:24:02 +0100,
  Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 What is the best method to download everything under
 the ../Everything .../Fedora from one of the mirrors wget?
 waht options
 
 Need the F9 stuff for testing.

I have local mirrors of f9 final, f9 updates and f9 livna. I use lftp
to get updates to the repos (though f9 final doesn't change) and I modify the
repo definitions in /etc/yum.repos.d to point to the local mirror.
For example to get the i386 f9 final repo you can use the following command:
lftp -e 'mirror --delete-first --parallel=3 -c -e -v 
pub/fedora/linux/releases/9/Everything/i386/os/ /spare/fd' 209.132.176.220

Just replace 209.132.176.220 with an appropiate mirror near you.

The corresponding repo file has been changed to:
[fedora]
name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch
failovermethod=priority
#baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/$basearch/os/
#mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-$releaseverarch=$basearch
baseurl=file:///spare/fd/
enabled=1
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora 
file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY

[fedora-debuginfo]
name=Fedora $releasever - $basearch - Debug
failovermethod=priority
#baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/$basearch/debug/
mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-debug-$releaseverarch=$basearch
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora 
file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY

[fedora-source]
name=Fedora $releasever - Source
failovermethod=priority
#baseurl=http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/releases/$releasever/Everything/source/SRPMS/
mirrorlist=http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/mirrorlist?repo=fedora-source-$releaseverarch=$basearch
enabled=0
gpgcheck=1
gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora 
file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY

If you are getting both i386 and x86_64, there is some overlap and you probably
want to use rsync so that you only get hardlinked files once.

The size of the f9 i386 repo is a bit over 13GB. The 9GB estimate was close
one or two releases ago.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:

 Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
 (I could be wrong as I never use it.)

Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. It's not clear to me whether
there is any practical difference between doing that and hitting a log
out button. Presumably the latter could give the various apps time to
clean up, but I'm not sure if it actually does this.

poc

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Re: Desktop panels in Gnome

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:34 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
 Greetings,
 
 I keep two screenwide panels at the bottom of the desktop. On login, 
 sometimes one is above the other, sometimes the other one is above.
 
 How do I make the setting permanent rather than have this variableness?

I believe at the moment you can't. It's a bug.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-21 Thread Marcelo Magno T. Sales

Em Sábado 21 Junho 2008, Patrick O'Callaghan escreveu:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
  Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
  (I could be wrong as I never use it.)

 Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. It's not clear to me whether
 there is any practical difference between doing that and hitting a
 log out button. Presumably the latter could give the various apps
 time to clean up, but I'm not sure if it actually does this.

Logging out closes only the desktop environment you were using and the 
applications that were running in it. CTRL+ALT+BS kills X and the 
graphical login manager too, so it re-reads the xorg.conf file (if you 
have altered it, this is needed), reload video drivers (if you have 
updated it, this is needed) and reload the xdm/gdm/kdm configuration, 
among other things that are not done if you simply log out.
Also, of course and as you've said yourself, if you kill X then the 
running applications do not have the chance to quit gracefully and save 
their data.

[]'s
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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

2008-06-21 Thread Arthur Pemberton

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 4:41 AM, Anne Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Saturday 21 June 2008 00:47:24 Mike Bird wrote:
 The other distros are supporting both KDE 3.5 and KDE 4.x for one to
 three years.  This allows people to migrate once KDE 4.x meets their
 needs.

 As I mentioned elsewhere, I have one system that has both 3.5 and 4.0 running.
 Compromises are necessary for this, and it results in a system considerably
 less stable than the Fedora version.  IMO, Fedora's decision was the right
 one.  There was plenty of warning that it may not suit all, and staying with
 F8 was always a choice.

F7 was also a choice... just saying.

 Arthur - you wrote They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar early
 adopters have helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio,
 NetworkManager, etc.  Yes, someone has to be an early adopter for bugs to be

Yup, and I applaud Fedora for that. That is one of Fedora's benefits
to the linux community


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Re: Desktop panels in Gnome

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Browder

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:34 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
 Greetings,
...
 How do I make the setting permanent rather than have this variableness?

 I believe at the moment you can't. It's a bug.

I have a similar problem.  Do you have a reference to the bug report?

Thanks.

-Tom

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How to boot from floppy to install Fedora 9 from CD?

2008-06-21 Thread cjakeman

Hi,
I've downloaded Fedora 9 and burned onto 6 CDs in ISO format hoping to install 
on an old PC in place of WinME. I find that the PC won't boot from the CD drive 
- probably too old.

How can I proceed? Do I need boot.img? Where can I get it from?

Thanks, Chris


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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:41 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote:
 Arthur - you wrote They'll wait till Fedora users and other similar
 early adopters have helped iron out the bugs. Kinda like Pulse Audio,
 NetworkManager, etc.  Yes, someone has to be an early adopter for
 bugs to be ironed out.

By that logic, let's get rid of the testing repos, and foist all the
half baked programs onto all the users, so the bugs are ironed out
faster.

The end result of a badly working distro, is that it loses a mass
following, and becomes a niche system.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:35 -0400, David Boles wrote:
 Pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to set the volume level(s) of
 various applications/output devices so that they can be different.
 Music soft. Ta-Ta!  loud. As well as others. What is not so functional
 is the applications that are not yet able to mix with pulseaudio.

To my mind, it goes about this the wrong way.  A case in point:  You're
listening to your music at a reasonable level, and some annunciator
fires off at full volume.  Unfortunately, you can't do anything about
that, as they're so quick to finish that you couldn't get to a volume
control in time.  And even if you did manage to reduce the volume while
a long sample played, the next time the annunciator fires off it'll be
at the default full volume, again.

The things that make sounds, should control their own volumes,
themselves.  A volume control in your music player, not some external
controller, should control its playback level, and not affect anything
else.  The system annunciators should have their own level in the
appropriate control panel for the sounds (where you set which sounds
will be heard, for which events, should also set the level).  Other
applications should have their own volume levels.  The only sensible
external control should be a master volume, one that you can crank up
and down to make everything loud or quiet, in proportion to your
listening environment, as well as be able to quickly mute everything
when the phone rings.

The whole idea of a mixer panel approach is alien to the average
person who's never used a collection of equipment hooked up to a mixer.
And it's made all the more worse by bad setups of the mixer (badly
labelled controls, most controls needing to be run at maximum, etc.).
About the only sensible place for using a mixer on the computer is for
making recordings.

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Re: How to boot from floppy to install Fedora 9 from CD?

2008-06-21 Thread Frank Cox

On Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:58:32 +0200
cjakeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How can I proceed? Do I need boot.img? Where can I get it from?

The Fedora boot disk got too big to fit on any floppy disk some time ago.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:50 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
 CTRL+ALT+BS kills X and the graphical login manager too, so it
 re-reads the xorg.conf file (if you have altered it, this is needed),
 reload video drivers (if you have updated it, this is needed) and
 reload the xdm/gdm/kdm configuration, among other things that are not
 done if you simply log out.

Quite some time ago how X was managed was changed so that when you
logged out, it did actually restart.  Has that changed again?

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Re: ssh tunnel problems

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 10:22 -0400, Rick Bilonick wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000 -v
 OpenSSH_4.7p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006
 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
 debug1: Applying options for *
 debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 5000.
 debug1: connect to address 127.0.0.1 port 5000: Connection refused
 ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused
 
 I'm using localhost because I was following an example. I guess I
 could substitute an IP for localhost. Isn't localhost just another
 name for the local computer? So on the first use of ssh, localhost
 refers to the server and on the second use of ssh, it refers to the
 home computer. At least, that's what I believe.

localhost is how a computer refers to itself.  Just the same as a
group of people in a room will all think of themselves as myself or
I.  While correct, they could only ever converse about themselves, not
anyone else in the room.  Trying to network between different computers
all going by the same hostname is going to twist your brain around in
circles.

If you do try ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] you're going to try and connect to
the SSH daemon on the same machine that you're typing on, which may or
may not actually connect.  But you're certainly not going to connect to
another machine, using that address.

If you don't have unique hostnames that are resolveable on your LAN
(i.e. everyone knows the name and IP of *all* hosts on the LAN), then
use numerical IP addresses.

Again, don't fall down the looking in the mirror trap by trying to
connect to 127.0.0.1.  That's the numerical address for a machine to
refer to itself.

You're playing with the local loopback device.  127.0.0.1 is the
traditional IP address for it, and localhost is the traditional hostname
for it.

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Re: Desktop panels in Gnome

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:57 -0500, Tom Browder wrote:
 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 11:46 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:34 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
  Greetings,
 ...
  How do I make the setting permanent rather than have this variableness?
 
  I believe at the moment you can't. It's a bug.
 
 I have a similar problem.  Do you have a reference to the bug report?

Sorry, I don't use Gnome myself, but it's been mentioned recently on
this list so the archives will have it.

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Re: How to boot from floppy to install Fedora 9 from CD?

2008-06-21 Thread Les Mikesell


cjakeman wrote:

Hi,
I've downloaded Fedora 9 and burned onto 6 CDs in ISO format hoping to install 
on an old PC in place of WinME. I find that the PC won't boot from the CD drive 
- probably too old.

How can I proceed? Do I need boot.img? Where can I get it from?



The boot.img you need for a 2.6 kernel has never fit on a floppy.  There 
are several other approaches, the simplest being a floppy boot that can 
proceed to boot the CD.  This was the first thing that popped up in a 
search but it should work regardless of the OS:

http://en.opensuse.org/Install_on_PC_that_can't_boot_from_CD

Or, if the PC will boot from a USB flash device you can put the boot 
image on that (but if it won't boot from CD you are probably out of luck 
there too).


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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
 On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 09:35 -0400, David Boles wrote:
  Pulseaudio is supposed to allow you to set the volume level(s) of
  various applications/output devices so that they can be different.
  Music soft. Ta-Ta!  loud. As well as others. What is not so functional
  is the applications that are not yet able to mix with pulseaudio.
 
 To my mind, it goes about this the wrong way.  A case in point:  You're
 listening to your music at a reasonable level, and some annunciator
 fires off at full volume.  Unfortunately, you can't do anything about
 that, as they're so quick to finish that you couldn't get to a volume
 control in time.  And even if you did manage to reduce the volume while
 a long sample played, the next time the annunciator fires off it'll be
 at the default full volume, again.
 
 The things that make sounds, should control their own volumes,
 themselves.  A volume control in your music player, not some external
 controller, should control its playback level, and not affect anything
 else.  The system annunciators should have their own level in the
 appropriate control panel for the sounds (where you set which sounds
 will be heard, for which events, should also set the level).  Other
 applications should have their own volume levels.  The only sensible
 external control should be a master volume, one that you can crank up
 and down to make everything loud or quiet, in proportion to your
 listening environment, as well as be able to quickly mute everything
 when the phone rings.
 
 The whole idea of a mixer panel approach is alien to the average
 person who's never used a collection of equipment hooked up to a mixer.
 And it's made all the more worse by bad setups of the mixer (badly
 labelled controls, most controls needing to be run at maximum, etc.).
 About the only sensible place for using a mixer on the computer is for
 making recordings.

Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
various mixer controls even control.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 13:50 -0300, Marcelo Magno T. Sales wrote:
 Em Sábado 21 Junho 2008, Patrick O'Callaghan escreveu:
  On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:15 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
   Isn't ctrl-alt-backspace meant to kill X, rather than shutdown?
   (I could be wrong as I never use it.)
 
  Ctrl-Alt-Backspace kills the X server. It's not clear to me whether
  there is any practical difference between doing that and hitting a
  log out button. Presumably the latter could give the various apps
  time to clean up, but I'm not sure if it actually does this.
 
 Logging out closes only the desktop environment you were using and the 
 applications that were running in it. CTRL+ALT+BS kills X and the 
 graphical login manager too, so it re-reads the xorg.conf file (if you 
 have altered it, this is needed), reload video drivers (if you have 
 updated it, this is needed) and reload the xdm/gdm/kdm configuration, 
 among other things that are not done if you simply log out.

AFAIK the display manager (kdm, gdm, whatever) does *not* die, neither
when you log out nor when you kill X. This is easy to verify: just check
the PID of kdm or gdm, log out, switch to a virtual console and check
the PID again. You'll find that it hasn't changed (I've done this with
kdm, I'm assuming gdm is the same). That's because it's the parent
process of the X server. This matters because if something like kdelibs
changes due to an update I want to be sure of not leaving old versions
lying around. The easiest way to to do this is init 3; init 5 from a
virtual console.

Also, logging out now also tells the display manager to restart the X
server (it didn't used to).

Which is why I was wondering if there was in practice a difference
between the log out button and Ctrl-Alt-Backspace.

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Re: How to boot from floppy to install Fedora 9 from CD?

2008-06-21 Thread Tom Browder

On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 cjakeman wrote:

 Hi,
 I've downloaded Fedora 9 and burned onto 6 CDs in ISO format hoping to
 install on an old PC in place of WinME. I find that the PC won't boot from
 the CD drive - probably too old.

A machine that old will probably not give a good Fedora experience.
You might want to look into something like minix for it.

See www.minix3.org

Or look into one of the lightweight Linux distributions.

-Tom

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Re: ssh tunnel problems

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:55 +0930, Tim wrote:
 Again, don't fall down the looking in the mirror trap by trying to
 connect to 127.0.0.1.  That's the numerical address for a machine to
 refer to itself.
 
 You're playing with the local loopback device.  127.0.0.1 is the
 traditional IP address for it, and localhost is the traditional
 hostname for it.

Not just traditional, it's a required standard (the IP at least). Also,
it's explicitly not routable, i.e. packets with 127.0.0.1 in either
source or destination fields can never appear on a network.

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Re: 6/20/2008 updates kill Rhytymbox/mplayer sound

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 11:32 -0400, Max Pyziur wrote:
 I guess F9 has self-correcting gremlins installed. I rebooted and these 
 sound problems are not occurring. Furthermore, with 6/20/2008 update sound 
 is now avilable with flash for things like youtube videos.

on F9, the thing that made sound work was probably getting
libflashsupport package installed

 I did install xmms-pulse-0.9.4-5.fc9.1.x86_64 before the reboot.

that would help when using 'Audio Player (XMMS)' but I wouldn't think
that would help with rhythmbox.

 I also tried setting System- Preferences - Harware - Sound to 
 Autodetect for Sound Events, Music and Movies, and Audio COnferencing 
 (for Sound Playback) before rebooting. However, that did not restore 
 sound.

I know in KDE, I use 'System Settings' = 'Sound' and put 'PulseAudio
Sound Server' at the top of each category and things just work.

I fired up Rhythmbox for the first time since I upgraded to F9 to see
what is going on and it just works.

Craig

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !


Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:

Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
various mixer controls even control.



It is a choice. If you, either of you, do not like it you should disable it.
But I seriously doubt that Pulseaudio will 'just go away' because you don't
like it.  ;-)


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Re: ssh tunnel problems

2008-06-21 Thread Kevin Martin




Rick Bilonick wrote:

On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 23:01 -0500, Kevin Martin wrote:
  
Rick Bilonick wrote: 


I'm using Fedora 8 on a server behind a firewall (with incoming ssh
blocked) and my computer at home.

I did the following on the server:

  
  

ssh -R 5000:localhost:22 [EMAIL PROTECTED]



which connected to my home computer after I entered the password. (I
could list files, etc.) I also set up /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the server
to keep the connection open.

At home I entered (using the password for user=server on the server):

  
  

ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000



ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused

I've tried adding:

sshd : ALL : allow
portmap : ALL : allow

to /etc/hosts.allow but still get the same message. I have no idea why
I'm not able to connect to the server through the ssh connection. I can
ssh out from the home computer to other servers with port 22 not
blocked.

Rick B.

  
  

Rick,

On your home machine, does a netstat -an | grep 5000 show you a
listening port?  When do you get if you add the -v flag to your
connection attempt from your home computer?

FWIW, your use of localhost on both the server side and the home side
makes this a very confusing read.

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Here's what I get:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ netstat -an | grep 5000
tcp0  0 127.0.0.1:50001 0.0.0.0:*
LISTEN  



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] -p 5000 -v
OpenSSH_4.7p1, OpenSSL 0.9.8b 04 May 2006
debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug1: Applying options for *
debug1: Connecting to localhost [127.0.0.1] port 5000.
debug1: connect to address 127.0.0.1 port 5000: Connection refused
ssh: connect to host localhost port 5000: Connection refused

I'm using localhost because I was following an example. I guess I
could substitute an IP for localhost. Isn't localhost just another
name for the local computer? So on the first use of ssh, localhost
refers to the server and on the second use of ssh, it refers to the home
computer. At least, that's what I believe.

Rick B.

  


Rick,

The tunnel that you tried to establish from work to home is not running 
otherwise you would see a listening socket on port 5000 on your home 
machine.  Oh, and to find out what has port 50001 open do a netstat 
-anp | grep 5000 and you'll see what process has it open.


Kevin

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Re: exception error

On 6/21/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 hello all expert

 i have a problem when i installing Fedora 9 in my workstatioin.

  this error :  insert disk2 into my cdrom after  exception erro. select:
 ok, save, debug.



 what should i do?

 help me.



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you have to provide us with more information.. when did that error happen?
and what happens next, do you use gnome? kde?
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Re: totally offtopic (race to make car that runs on tap water)

2008-06-21 Thread Robert


Ric Moore wrote:

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 18:44 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:

Yeah, exactly. And if you buy in the next 4 hours, we'll include a
fantastic solar powered clothes dryer.

Careful - there are sound useful reasons for solar powered clothes driers
that go via electricity or steam first.


Jeeez, Alan. I'm impressed that you know that steam is a major source
for heating industrial dryers! Tip O' The Wayward4now Hat! Ric

p/s hot oil is more popular nowadays. 


Solar power dryer:

http://www.annekimberly.com/clothesline%20color%205x7l.jpg

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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy [SOLVED]

2008-06-21 Thread Bruce Byfield

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 16:09 +0300, Bassel Safadi wrote:
 http://support-in.canon-asia.com/EN/search?canonsearch=1lang=ENcategory=Laser+Printersseries=Monochromemodel=LBP2900menu=Download.

I'm glad you found a solution. You might want to take a moment to go to
the Linux Printing site and update the information on the printer model,
so that others don't have to go through the same difficulties you've
had.

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Starting RAID on boot

2008-06-21 Thread James Thorpe


Hi list,

I've configured two drives in a machine for RAID1, and once the machine 
is up and running I can


mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
mount /dev/md0 /mirror

No problems.  My question is - how do I get it to do this automatically 
on boot?  I've found references to /etc/init.d/mdadm, but that doesn't 
seem to exist on my install (FC9).


Thanks,
James.

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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote:
 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
  On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:
  
  Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
  various mixer controls even control.
 
 
 It is a choice. If you, either of you, do not like it you should disable it.
 But I seriously doubt that Pulseaudio will 'just go away' because you don't
 like it.  ;-)

You misunderstand me. It's not that I dislike PA, I dislike *all* the
sound systems on Linux because I don't understand them and have never
seen a clear explanation of how they all fit together and what they do.
It seems to me (and it isn't the first time I've made the point) that
there's a gaping hole where a unified model should be. Maybe I'm just
stupid but I seem to see a lot of different models with overlapping
functionality and no clear relation between them. And every time someone
comes up with a new architecture (like PA) we have N+1 systems where
previously we had N.

In fact the mixer issue isn't even related to PA since I use Kmix.

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Re: Starting RAID on boot

2008-06-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik


James Thorpe writes:


Hi list,

I've configured two drives in a machine for RAID1, and once the machine 
is up and running I can


mdadm --assemble /dev/md0
mount /dev/md0 /mirror

No problems.  My question is - how do I get it to do this automatically 
on boot?  I've found references to /etc/init.d/mdadm, but that doesn't 
seem to exist on my install (FC9).


Although there are several ways to do this, I would suggest this approach:

* Add /dev/md0 to /etc/fstab.

* Run: mkinitrd /boot/initrd.new `uname -r`

* Reboot. At the grub prompt, edit the initrd command line, and replace your 
existing initrd image filename with initrd.new


* If you succesfully end up booting, with /dev/md0 getting mounted by 
default, replace your usual initrd image filename with initrd.new


This hinges on mkinitrd succesfully detecting that you're running RAID, and 
inserting the necessary startup voodoo into initrc.


Or, you can always edit /etc/rc.d/rc.local, and manually add your mdadm and 
mount commands. But that's a rather boring way to do it. The other way, you 
have to deal with the excitement of being one typo away from a 
temporarily-unbootable brick. That's much more fun, IMO.




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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy [SOLVED]

On Sun, Jun 22, 2008 at 12:24 AM, Bassel Safadi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

 On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 10:23 PM, Bruce Byfield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:


 I'm glad you found a solution. You might want to take a moment to go to
 the Linux Printing site and update the information on the printer model,
 so that others don't have to go through the same difficulties you've
 had.



 Thanks for the reminder Bruce, information are up to date :-)

I mean now they are, sorry for the typo
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Re: Any hope of KDE 3.5 in F10? I want it too !


Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 14:36 -0400, David Boles wrote:

Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 02:40 +0930, Tim wrote:

Totally agree with this. It's hard enough even figuring out what the
various mixer controls even control.


It is a choice. If you, either of you, do not like it you should disable it.
But I seriously doubt that Pulseaudio will 'just go away' because you don't
like it.  ;-)


You misunderstand me. It's not that I dislike PA, I dislike *all* the
sound systems on Linux because I don't understand them and have never
seen a clear explanation of how they all fit together and what they do.
It seems to me (and it isn't the first time I've made the point) that
there's a gaping hole where a unified model should be. Maybe I'm just
stupid but I seem to see a lot of different models with overlapping
functionality and no clear relation between them. And every time someone
comes up with a new architecture (like PA) we have N+1 systems where
previously we had N.

In fact the mixer issue isn't even related to PA since I use Kmix.



I think that we are misunderstanding each other.  :-)

What Is PulseAudio?

PulseAudio is a sound server for POSIX and Win32 systems. A sound server is 
basically a proxy for your sound applications. It allows you to do advanced 
operations on your sound data as it passes between your application and your 
hardware. Things like transferring the audio to a different machine, changing 
the sample format or channel count and mixing several sounds into one are 
easily achieved using a sound server.




As for the sound applications? Each is the same thing with a different look 
and feel. As are, for example, your favorite CD burning program and mine which 
is different looking. All the GUI's do is make the command line entries for 
you with 'point an click' stuff.


The problem with sound being, IMO, that some work 'here' and don't 'work 
there'. And with all of that you have the 'buy me' codecs too. Which, it 
appears, is the main cause of the 'sound stopped/does not' work problems.


I can feel the pain that some have with their installs. But (knock wood) I 
have no had a Linux related problem since I trashed the ZIP Drive many years 
ago. I get bumps and hiccups from time to time but nothing like I read here. 
Which makes me wonder... hardware or PEBCAK?  ;-)

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Re: Canon LBP 2900 drives me crazy [SOLVED]